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(Aug. 01, 2023  7:42 AM)Achilles25 Wrote: [ -> ]I realize the paragraphs get bigger and bigger each time someone replies.

I just wish people would add paragraphs if they're gonna type/pound out a wall of texts.

(Aug. 01, 2023  7:42 AM)Achilles25 Wrote: [ -> ]I realize the paragraphs get bigger and bigger each time someone replies.

Let em cook, lol.

What you guys are still forgetting is that Valt and Aiga never used Special Moves or Resonance in their QS battle, so we can’t actually quantify who is stronger off of that one since they each only used a fraction off their full power. And at the time of writing Aiga has only one Special Move, that being Zeal Breaker. He hasn’t shown anything else, so I’m not going to assume he has any other moves unless he you know, uses them. Aiga’s best feat in QS so far is knocking out Pandora and Belial at the same time, and he had to go super Saiyan and use Zeal Breaker just to do so. While Pri and Bell did use Double Wrecker, it only appeared to be them gaining speed and attacking simultaneously, and Pri was maskless, and by extension, nerfed. Rashad on the other had had contended with full power Valt, and while he got bullied the entire time, he still managed a few clashes and his Greatest Spear equalized with Ultimate Dive, which is still more than QS Aiga has shown. If Aiga gets to use all of his Moves associated with Achilles and shows some elite resonance feats close to Valt’s and Shu’s, then of course he wins. But the Aiga that just got Zeal? I don’t know about him.

(Aug. 01, 2023  5:11 PM)Orichalcum Wrote: [ -> ]What you guys are still forgetting is that Valt and Aiga never used Special Moves or Resonance in their QS battle, so we can’t actually quantify who is stronger off of that one since they each only used a fraction off their full power. And at the time of writing Aiga has only one Special Move, that being Zeal Breaker. He hasn’t shown anything else, so I’m not going to assume he has any other moves unless he you know, uses them. Aiga’s best feat in QS so far is knocking out Pandora and Belial at the same time, and he had to go super Saiyan  and use Zeal Breaker just to do so. While Pri and Bell did use Double Wrecker, it only appeared to be them gaining speed and attacking simultaneously, and Pri was maskless, and by extension, nerfed. Rashad on the other had had contended with full power Valt, and while he got bullied the entire time, he still managed a few clashes and his Greatest Spear equalized with Ultimate Dive, which is still more than QS Aiga has shown. If Aiga gets to use all of his Moves associated with Achilles and shows some elite resonance feats close to Valt’s and Shu’s, then of course he wins. But the  Aiga that just got Zeal? I don’t know about him.

I think you're putting too much faith in Rashad Goodman. Valt crushed Rashad twice and Rashad was only decent against Valt when Valkyrie was damaged and Valt still made Rashad have to go all out just to beat him. Aiga is on par with Valt and is still leagues above Rashad as a blader being both higher ranked and a world champ. And regardless of what version of Achilles he's using(Valt beat Rashad with two different valkyries)his skill, experience, ect isn't going to change just because his bey does. We see bladers upgrade their beys every season and they usually perform just as well if not better than they did with their previous beys. The Aiga that just got Zeal is the same Aiga that's been one of the strongest characters in the series for a while now, so he definitely he can and would beat Rashad.

(Aug. 01, 2023  5:11 PM)Orichalcum Wrote: [ -> ]What you guys are still forgetting is that Valt and Aiga never used Special Moves or Resonance in their QS battle, so we can’t actually quantify who is stronger off of that one since they each only used a fraction off their full power. And at the time of writing Aiga has only one Special Move, that being Zeal Breaker. He hasn’t shown anything else, so I’m not going to assume he has any other moves unless he you know, uses them. Aiga’s best feat in QS so far is knocking out Pandora and Belial at the same time, and he had to go super Saiyan  and use Zeal Breaker just to do so. While Pri and Bell did use Double Wrecker, it only appeared to be them gaining speed and attacking simultaneously, and Pri was maskless, and by extension, nerfed. Rashad on the other had had contended with full power Valt, and while he got bullied the entire time, he still managed a few clashes and his Greatest Spear equalized with Ultimate Dive, which is still more than QS Aiga has shown. If Aiga gets to use all of his Moves associated with Achilles and shows some elite resonance feats close to Valt’s and Shu’s, then of course he wins. But the  Aiga that just got Zeal? I don’t know about him.

 

I mean, Aiga did just made it into QS when the season is nearly over. And he's only had 1 proper battle so far, that's barely enough to make a adequate comparison between him and Rashad. Nor it reason to assume Aiga doesn't have more special moves for zeal.

(Aug. 02, 2023  9:47 AM)UnderbossBlader Wrote: [ -> ]

(Aug. 01, 2023  5:11 PM)Orichalcum Wrote: [ -> ]What you guys are still forgetting is that Valt and Aiga never used Special Moves or Resonance in their QS battle, so we can’t actually quantify who is stronger off of that one since they each only used a fraction off their full power. And at the time of writing Aiga has only one Special Move, that being Zeal Breaker. He hasn’t shown anything else, so I’m not going to assume he has any other moves unless he you know, uses them. Aiga’s best feat in QS so far is knocking out Pandora and Belial at the same time, and he had to go super Saiyan  and use Zeal Breaker just to do so. While Pri and Bell did use Double Wrecker, it only appeared to be them gaining speed and attacking simultaneously, and Pri was maskless, and by extension, nerfed. Rashad on the other had had contended with full power Valt, and while he got bullied the entire time, he still managed a few clashes and his Greatest Spear equalized with Ultimate Dive, which is still more than QS Aiga has shown. If Aiga gets to use all of his Moves associated with Achilles and shows some elite resonance feats close to Valt’s and Shu’s, then of course he wins. But the  Aiga that just got Zeal? I don’t know about him.

I think you're putting too much faith in Rashad Goodman. Valt crushed Rashad twice and Rashad was only decent against Valt when Valkyrie was damaged and Valt still made Rashad have to go all out just to beat him. Aiga is on par with Valt and is still leagues above Rashad as a blader being both higher ranked and a world champ. And regardless of what version of Achilles he's using(Valt beat Rashad with two different valkyries)his skill, experience, ect isn't going to change just because his bey does. We see bladers upgrade their beys every season and they usually perform just as well if not better than they did with their previous beys. The Aiga that just got Zeal is the same Aiga that's been one of the strongest characters in the series for a while now, so he definitely he can and would beat Rashad.

While Aiga’s abilities don’t change, Achilles’ does. It’s been established it’s harder to control a new bey compared to an old one. Remember Valt in God? Or Aiga himself struggling to activate the Cho-z awakening?

 While Aiga and Valt are strong, we just don’t know how they compare in QS. While is makes sense to assume they are relative, it isn’t foolproof. Valt and Free have been established to be relative, but let’s look at they’re feats. The best Free did was holding up against three gear Dynamite Belial before eventually losing. A Valt who just got Ultimate Valkyrie bullied Dangerous Belial eventually bested Rashad, and ant the end of DB he wasn’t relatives to Perfect Gear Dangerous Belial with a mastered Overdrive system. Established as relative but in reality Valt stomps Free. 
 
And speaking of Overdirve System, Raphael will have enhanced Stamina and Burst Resistance plus the defense of Glory Crown. If Rashad doesn't win, he at least gets a point and maybe a draw too.

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(Aug. 02, 2023  9:52 AM)Krow Wrote: [ -> ]

(Aug. 01, 2023  5:11 PM)Orichalcum Wrote: [ -> ]What you guys are still forgetting is that Valt and Aiga never used Special Moves or Resonance in their QS battle, so we can’t actually quantify who is stronger off of that one since they each only used a fraction off their full power. And at the time of writing Aiga has only one Special Move, that being Zeal Breaker. He hasn’t shown anything else, so I’m not going to assume he has any other moves unless he you know, uses them. Aiga’s best feat in QS so far is knocking out Pandora and Belial at the same time, and he had to go super Saiyan  and use Zeal Breaker just to do so. While Pri and Bell did use Double Wrecker, it only appeared to be them gaining speed and attacking simultaneously, and Pri was maskless, and by extension, nerfed. Rashad on the other had had contended with full power Valt, and while he got bullied the entire time, he still managed a few clashes and his Greatest Spear equalized with Ultimate Dive, which is still more than QS Aiga has shown. If Aiga gets to use all of his Moves associated with Achilles and shows some elite resonance feats close to Valt’s and Shu’s, then of course he wins. But the  Aiga that just got Zeal? I don’t know about him.

 

I mean, Aiga did just made it into QS when the season is nearly over. And he's only had 1 proper battle so far, that's barely enough to make a adequate comparison between him and Rashad. Nor it reason to assume Aiga doesn't have more special moves for zeal.

I don’t assume he has more Special Moves because it was established he just got the bey. His tag team against. Bell and Pri was his first battle with Zeal. He’s only shown one move, so i’m going to assume he has that one move until proven otherwise. If we assume he has other Special Moves we haven’t seen, we can give him all sorts of nonsense. He could have anything from Zeal Flash to Achilles Counter just for the sake of winning.

Now that Burst is officially over, here's how I would rank the top 10 bladers in terms of pure strength and IQ (excluding plot armor based characters and those who haven't appeared in the last 2 seasons) :

1. Valt Aoi
2. Bel Daizora
3. Shu Kurenai (Bel and Shu are interchangeable)
4. Aiga Akabane
5. Lui Shirosagi
6. Free De la Hoya
7. Xander Shakadera
8. Pax Forsythe (You can technically put Pax in the top 5 too)
9. Rashad Goodman
10. Dante Koryu

Honorable Mentions: Phi who could've been on the list if he was active and Lean if he would stop shouting "FLARE" (I hate Lean).

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I just realized that Pax's Pandemonium is probably not going to be that powerful outside of an elemental stadium. So Pax's true ranking is debatable.

(Aug. 07, 2023  2:30 PM)Cath Wrote: [ -> ]Now that Burst is officially over, here's how I would rank the top 10 bladers in terms of pure strength and IQ (excluding plot armor based characters and those who haven't appeared in the last 2 seasons) :

1. Valt Aoi
2. Bel Daizora
3. Shu Kurenai (Bel and Shu are interchangeable)
4. Aiga Akabane
5. Lui Shirosagi
6. Free De la Hoya
7. Xander Shakadera
8. Pax Forsythe (You can technically put Pax in the top 5 too)
9. Rashad Goodman
10. Dante Koryu

Honorable Mentions: Phi who could've been on the list if he was active and Lean if he would stop shouting "FLARE" (I hate Lean).

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I just realized that Pax's Pandemonium is probably not going to be that powerful outside of an elemental stadium. So Pax's true ranking is debatable.

I'd place Bel at 7, then bump everyone above him up one but not a bad ranking.

(Aug. 07, 2023  3:08 PM)Krow Wrote: [ -> ]

(Aug. 07, 2023  2:30 PM)Cath Wrote: [ -> ]Now that Burst is officially over, here's how I would rank the top 10 bladers in terms of pure strength and IQ (excluding plot armor based characters and those who haven't appeared in the last 2 seasons) :

1. Valt Aoi
2. Bel Daizora
3. Shu Kurenai (Bel and Shu are interchangeable)
4. Aiga Akabane
5. Lui Shirosagi
6. Free De la Hoya
7. Xander Shakadera
8. Pax Forsythe (You can technically put Pax in the top 5 too)
9. Rashad Goodman
10. Dante Koryu

Honorable Mentions: Phi who could've been on the list if he was active and Lean if he would stop shouting "FLARE" (I hate Lean).

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I just realized that Pax's Pandemonium is probably not going to be that powerful outside of an elemental stadium. So Pax's true ranking is debatable.

I'd place Bel at 7, then bump everyone above him up one but not a bad ranking.

The thing about him is he evolves his bey every once in a while so it's hard for other legends to keep up with him. But yeah if everyone was told to utilize one single system and make their ultimate bey, then Bell would definitely be no 7 or something.

To Rank the Top 10 Bladers from QS/ Both DB and Qs it would be:

1: Valt (S1/Big 5)
2: Shu (S2/Big 5)
3: Aiga (S3/Big 5 and champion)
4: Free (S4/Big 5)
5: Lui (S5/Big 5)
6: Drum (S6)
7: Xander (S10)
8: Lane(Legend Level/Top A within top 5)
8: Bell (Top A within the top 5)
9: Pax (Top A within the top 5)
10:Rashad (Top A within top 5)
10: Pri (if not including lane/Rashad) (High A within top 10)

The ranks from 8-10 are honestly all debatable and interchangeable.

Bell: The reason being that with or without the constant evolutions Bell in general just isn’t that good when compared to higher ranked bladers. So he might be strong at moments but when compared to the legends they have the edge in terms of power, skills, and consistency. Bell’s upgrades can only boost him so much before the Legends ultimately surpass him again. Something We’ve seen more than a few times.

Pax: Pax is kinda iffy since He only has 3 battles: 2 wins being against Valt and Aiga (with the battle between him and Aiga being equal for the most part) and 1 loss against Bell 3-1 (who is weaker than both Aiga and Valt). So at most you can say is that Pax is Top A rank. Even Shu himself said that Pax wasn’t a legend nor was he close to becoming a one. Also elemental power seems to have a limit to how strong it can get.

Lane(If included)/Rashad: Rashad in DB has shown some pretty impressive feats. Not only did he defeat Valt once but he was also the strongest new gen blader by far in the season. But that's the thing he only really battled new gen bladers mainly ones way below him so its hard to really say how he does against the newest additions. As for Lane he was an absolute power house in sparking as he went toe to toe with pretty much every legend and won. But not only that Lane was such a challenge to the Legends that he pushed them to grow stronger and surpass their limits. Which they all did. So Lane is easily Legend Level and maybe A1. But he also uses a sparking bey.

Pri: She’s in the same boat as Bell, Since just like him despite having multiple evolutions shes very inconsistent and is not that good when compared to higher ranked bladers and legends as they ultimately surpass her in terms of skills and powers. Like when you look at Pri’s record the most she has is 1-2 decent to good wins.

The Legends: Its kinda obvious besides their world rankings and statues as legends we’ve seen just how strong these guys can really be when pushed and when they really start going all out. These guys are literally the highest group of bladers in the world that represent peak power and performance.

(Aug. 07, 2023  5:33 PM)Phantom legend Wrote: [ -> ]To Rank the Top 10 Bladers from QS/ Both DB and Qs it would be:

1: Valt (Big 5)
2: Shu (Big 5)
3: Aiga (Big 5 and champion)
4: Free (Big 5)
5: Lui (Big 5)
6: Drum (S6)
7: Xander (S10)
8: Bell (Top A within the top 5)
9 Pax (Top A within the top 5)
10: Lane(Legend Level/Top A within top 5)/ Rashad (Top A within top 5)
10: Pri (if not including lane/Rashad) (High A within top 10)

The ranks from 8-10 are honestly all debatable and interchangeable.

Bell: The reason being even with upgrades and just in general he doesn’t have a consistent win rate. So he might be strong at moments but compared to the legends they have the edge in terms of both power and consistency. Bell’s upgrades can only give him so much of a boost before others eventually catch up.

Pax: He only has 3 battles some which you could consider flukes like “its Pax’s reintroduction with a mysterious new bey so no one knows what its capable of” besides probably Pri since she Studied the elements with him, and the fact his bey might only be strong within the elemental stadium since his bey was specially designed to use the power from the stadium. Pax is kinda iffy since he only has 3 battles.

Lane(If included)/Rashad: Its obvious why. But I'm leaning more towards lane since compared to Rashad, Lane was an actual menace to the blading world unlike Rashad. Lane has proven himself against every Legend while Rashad only went against Newer gen bladers.

Pri: is in the same boat as Bell. Shes doesn't have many wins, is not that consistent, and she only has one or two decent/good wins. So shes like high A (top 10)/just barely Top A (top 5)

The Legends: its kinda obvious besides their rankings as legends we’ve seen just how strong these guys can really be when pushed and when they really start going all out. These guys are literally the highest group of bladers in the world that represent peak power and performance.

Bell and Pri should easily be within Legend Level. Remember Pax still stomped Valt and Aiga and Bell beat him. It should also be noted that Pandemonium still had an aura of Elemental Power when it burst Pandora. And Pri nearly drew against Valt after he evolved Valtryek and she still stomped Drum. Bell, Pri and Pax should all be Big 5 members IMO. They may be Inconsistent, but we can’t ignore them bullying/clashing with the top characters in the verse. And what is Free doing here? Remember, hen lost to a three Gear Belial with mid difficulty. There’s no way he stands up to QS’s top bladers.

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(Aug. 07, 2023  2:30 PM)Cath Wrote: [ -> ]Now that Burst is officially over, here's how I would rank the top 10 bladers in terms of pure strength and IQ (excluding plot armor based characters and those who haven't appeared in the last 2 seasons) :

1. Valt Aoi
2. Bel Daizora
3. Shu Kurenai (Bel and Shu are interchangeable)
4. Aiga Akabane
5. Lui Shirosagi
6. Free De la Hoya
7. Xander Shakadera
8. Pax Forsythe (You can technically put Pax in the top 5 too)
9. Rashad Goodman
10. Dante Koryu

Honorable Mentions: Phi who could've been on the list if he was active and Lean if he would stop shouting "FLARE" (I hate Lean).

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I just realized that Pax's Pandemonium is probably not going to be that powerful outside of an elemental stadium. So Pax's true ranking is debatable.

Where is Pri at??? She was nearly equal with a peak Valt you know. At least put her above Dante. And remember that Pandemonium activates Advanced Elemental Power against Pandora in a normal stadium. Also, every blader gets buffed in that stadium,

(Aug. 07, 2023  6:34 PM)Orichalcum Wrote: [ -> ]

(Aug. 07, 2023  5:33 PM)Phantom legend Wrote: [ -> ]To Rank the Top 10 Bladers from QS/ Both DB and Qs it would be:

1: Valt (Big 5)
2: Shu (Big 5)
3: Aiga (Big 5 and champion)
4: Free (Big 5)
5: Lui (Big 5)
6: Drum (S6)
7: Xander (S10)
8: Bell (Top A within the top 5)
9 Pax (Top A within the top 5)
10: Lane(Legend Level/Top A within top 5)/ Rashad (Top A within top 5)
10: Pri (if not including lane/Rashad) (High A within top 10)

The ranks from 8-10 are honestly all debatable and interchangeable.

Bell: The reason being even with upgrades and just in general he doesn’t have a consistent win rate. So he might be strong at moments but compared to the legends they have the edge in terms of both power and consistency. Bell’s upgrades can only give him so much of a boost before others eventually catch up.

Pax: He only has 3 battles some which you could consider flukes like “its Pax’s reintroduction with a mysterious new bey so no one knows what its capable of” besides probably Pri since she Studied the elements with him, and the fact his bey might only be strong within the elemental stadium since his bey was specially designed to use the power from the stadium. Pax is kinda iffy since he only has 3 battles.

Lane(If included)/Rashad: Its obvious why. But I'm leaning more towards lane since compared to Rashad, Lane was an actual menace to the blading world unlike Rashad. Lane has proven himself against every Legend while Rashad only went against Newer gen bladers.

Pri: is in the same boat as Bell. Shes doesn't have many wins, is not that consistent, and she only has one or two decent/good wins. So shes like high A (top 10)/just barely Top A (top 5)

The Legends: its kinda obvious besides their rankings as legends we’ve seen just how strong these guys can really be when pushed and when they really start going all out. These guys are literally the highest group of bladers in the world that represent peak power and performance.

Bell and Pri should easily be within Legend Level. Remember Pax still stomped Valt and Aiga and Bell beat him. It should also be noted that Pandemonium still had an aura of Elemental Power when it burst Pandora. And Pri nearly drew against Valt after he evolved Valtryek and she still stomped Drum. Bell, Pri and Pax should all be Big 5 members IMO. They may be Inconsistent, but we can’t ignore them bullying/clashing with the top characters in the verse. And what is Free doing here? Remember, hen lost to a three Gear Belial with mid difficulty. There’s no way he stands up to QS’s top bladers.

I’m gonna be honest you have done nothing but underestimate bladers all season. You’ve underestimated Drum, kitt, Aiga, Valt, and Xander. Also, no Pri only stood that much of a chance against Valt because of the extra power that Bell’s launcher gave her. Without his launcher she wouldn’t have had that extra boost to keep up with Valt. Also no inconsistency does matter, since it literally adds to their win rates and overall performance level. Bell beat Valt in DB so? He got toyed with by Illya, lost to basara and lost to Valt 10 times after so does that make them legend level and on par with Valt? No. If someone is inconsistent then you can’t say that they’re on par with their opponents level because they can’t consistently compete with them. Also Free throughout the entire series has been treated as one of the best as he’s been outdoing 98 percent of the competition since day one, sometimes bladers will do better and sometimes they wont but what truly matters is consistency and how well they usually perform in battle something that Free along with the other legends such as Valt, Aiga, Drum, and the rest all accel at. Plus Free is literally one of Valt’s greatest rivals right next to Shu and is the 4th best Blader in the world. These guys are legends because they have done more than any other blader, have achieved some of the greatest feats time after time again, and constantly grow stronger while overcoming new challenges all the time. So the fact you think that any blader can just be legend level after one showdown and not being consistent shows how much you really underestimate them. Despite the season constantly showing that you shouldn’t.

Someone who's inconsistence shouldnt be top 5 or legend level Just because 1 one match a person Manage to be equal to another Doenst make you at its level. Free has been constantly Been put to Lui level whether one person like it or Not author words is the law.  So if Kitt Manage to beat Aiga once would that make him top 5? No it doesnt someone whos at the top are People that has been constantly having great record.  For example Lane is legend level cause he has fought 90% the legend an always been either equal or better never weaker thats call being consistence but neither Pri or Bell has showcase this they could be equal and beat valt or Aiga now but get washed by someone who's lower same goes for Pax thats Not how powerscaling work powerscaling is about consistence on how one perform all the time at a Peak thats why guys Like Gingka, Kyouya, Ryuga and Rago are top of the metal Saga verse and guys Like Zyro plus the rest of The Zero cast isnt Near their level . Powerscaling isnt about falling into favoritismo Just because certain character Finally got a win on another when the spent they entire season by beaten while the others has been always performing great from the Beginning.

(Aug. 07, 2023  6:54 PM)Phantom legend Wrote: [ -> ]

(Aug. 07, 2023  6:34 PM)Orichalcum Wrote: [ -> ]Bell and Pri should easily be within Legend Level. Remember Pax still stomped Valt and Aiga and Bell beat him. It should also be noted that Pandemonium still had an aura of Elemental Power when it burst Pandora. And Pri nearly drew against Valt after he evolved Valtryek and she still stomped Drum. Bell, Pri and Pax should all be Big 5 members IMO. They may be Inconsistent, but we can’t ignore them bullying/clashing with the top characters in the verse. And what is Free doing here? Remember, hen lost to a three Gear Belial with mid difficulty. There’s no way he stands up to QS’s top bladers.

I’m gonna be honest you have done nothing but underestimate bladers all season. You’ve underestimated Drum, kitt, Aiga, Valt, and Xander. Also, no Pri only stood that much of a chance against Valt because of the extra power that Bell’s launcher gave her. Without his launcher she wouldn’t have had that extra boost to keep up with Valt. Also no inconsistency does matter, since it literally adds to their win rates and overall performance level. Bell beat Valt in DB so? He got toyed with by Illya, lost to basara and lost to Valt 10 times after so does that make them legend level and on par with Valt? No. If someone is inconsistent then you can’t say that they’re on par with their opponents level because they can’t consistently compete with them. Also Free throughout the entire series has been treated as one of the best he’s been outdoing 98 percent of the competition since day one, sometimes bladers will do better sometimes they wont but what matters is how consistent they are something that free is extremely good at along with the other legends such as Valt, Aiga, and Drum. This is Free someone who is literally one of Valt’s greatest rivals right next to Shu. These guys are legends because they have done more than any other blader, they have achieved some the greatest feats time after time again, and they constantly grow stronger day by day overcoming new challenges all the time. So the fact you think that any blader can just be legend level after one showdown and not being consistent shows how much you really underestimate them. Despite the season constantly showing that you shouldn’t.

Pri also mid diffed Drum, who is #6 on the Legends ranking. And Bell lost to Bashara, then beat Valt, in case you were wondering. Also, there are fifteen legends in the series and Valt was getting stronger as he had lost two 2 gear Belial but then clashed with a Greastest Raphael Rashad who should be stronger than when he broke Perfect Belial. By feats, Ilya and Basara should Hagen been legend level then because even if the couldn’t beat  Valt by DB episode 25 or so there are still fourteen other Legends they could be stronger then. Valt isn’t the only legend. And how are Bell and Pri inconsistent. Pri walloped Kitt and Ranzo at the same time the new burst Dragon. Logically, she’s should Ben legend level as she is replicating their feats. Bell beat Pandemonium, who beat Valt and Aiga. “Inconsistency” doesn’t work because you are comparing different versions of the characters. Why would Savior Valkyrie be equal to Ultimate? Why is Destined belfyre Bell suddenly relative to three gear Dynamite? Same goes for Free. Just b/c he was at the top in God to Sparking doesn’t mean the same for DB. How about you actually compare a character’s feats when said feats are from the same form of the character? 

And the Legend system wasn’t that logical at the very beginning. We have people like Zac, who has peaked at national level out ranking Daigo, who almost beat Joshua, a Big 5 member and Rantaro being a legend despite never beating a single international level blader in any point of time. And all blader get stronger at a constant rate. The legends may be portrayed as the top dogs, but their feats, I.e. the exhibits of their actual power, have not matched upcoming with that. At least not enough for all of them to be stronger than every non Legend.

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(Aug. 07, 2023  8:00 PM)God Dragruler Wrote: [ -> ]Someone who's inconsistence shouldnt be top 5 or legend level Just because 1 one match a person Manage to be equal to another Doenst make you at its level. Free has been constantly Been put to Lui level whether one person like it or Not author words is the law.  So if Kitt Manage to beat Aiga once would that make him top 5? No it doesnt someone whos at the top are People that has been constantly having great record.  For example Lane is legend level cause he has fought 90% the legend an always been either equal or better never weaker thats call being consistence but neither Pri or Bell has showcase this they could be equal and beat valt or Aiga now but get washed by someone who's lower same goes for Pax thats Not how powerscaling work powerscaling is about consistence on how one perform all the time.

 Feats are more important than statements. If Morris says than Free is stronger than Lui, but has Lui beats opponents who have beaten Free, with both in their most recent forms, the. Lui should be  stronger than Free. Pri and Bell, in their most recent forms, have shown consistency. Pri beats Kitt, then Drum, both without the launcher with Flame Pandora. Both feats were replicated in the same form, and don’t contradict each other. Bell beats Pax with Destined while also using his new launcher, and Pax beats unevolved Ultimate, then Zeal Achilles, both with a Glowing Ruin Pandemonium. All of these feats are consistent with one another and performed by characters, with  each being in the same form for their respective feats. That’s consistency.

(Aug. 07, 2023  6:54 PM)Phantom legend Wrote: [ -> ]

(Aug. 07, 2023  6:34 PM)Orichalcum Wrote: [ -> ]Bell and Pri should easily be within Legend Level. Remember Pax still stomped Valt and Aiga and Bell beat him. It should also be noted that Pandemonium still had an aura of Elemental Power when it burst Pandora. And Pri nearly drew against Valt after he evolved Valtryek and she still stomped Drum. Bell, Pri and Pax should all be Big 5 members IMO. They may be Inconsistent, but we can’t ignore them bullying/clashing with the top characters in the verse. And what is Free doing here? Remember, hen lost to a three Gear Belial with mid difficulty. There’s no way he stands up to QS’s top bladers.

I’m gonna be honest you have done nothing but underestimate bladers all season. You’ve underestimated Drum, kitt, Aiga, Valt, and Xander. Also, no Pri only stood that much of a chance against Valt because of the extra power that Bell’s launcher gave her. Without his launcher she wouldn’t have had that extra boost to keep up with Valt. Also no inconsistency does matter, since it literally adds to their win rates and overall performance level. Bell beat Valt in DB so? He got toyed with by Illya, lost to basara and lost to Valt 10 times after so does that make them legend level and on par with Valt? No. If someone is inconsistent then you can’t say that they’re on par with their opponents level because they can’t consistently compete with them. Also Free throughout the entire series has been treated as one of the best he’s been outdoing 98 percent of the competition since day one, sometimes bladers will do better sometimes they wont but what matters is how consistent they are something that free is extremely good at along with the other legends such as Valt, Aiga, and Drum. This is Free someone who is literally one of Valt’s greatest rivals right next to Shu. These guys are legends because they have done more than any other blader, they have achieved some the greatest feats time after time again, and they constantly grow stronger day by day overcoming new challenges all the time. So the fact you think that any blader can just be legend level after one showdown and not being consistent shows how much you really underestimate them. Despite the season constantly showing that you shouldn’t.

Basically this. And let's not forget Pax, Bel and Pri only won their last few battles because they had to advance through the Lodestar tournament. Leading up to this Bel and Pri were punching bags for most of QS and Pax didn't battle until the end for like 3 or 4 battles. And even at the end of the season Bel and Pri(and Pax) were still taking Ls. 

Bel got destroyed by Aiga, nearly lost to Hyuga again, and needed to make a power launcher to compete with Pax. Pri got a massive buff out of thin air to beat Kitt and Ranzo at once and then Drum only to lose to Bel, Pax and Valt, all of the last battles she would have for QS. And Pax, even after combining all four elements into the strongest elemental bey in the season, was still getting handed ringout losses by Aiga and lost to Bel the first time they battled - the first time Bel had battled Pandemonium, Pax's greatest creation - Bel even had control for nearly the entire first round, then he bursted Pax when his arm injury wasn't hindering him anymore.

Pax, Pri and Bel are good but as you said they're too inconsistant to rank above the top 5. Top 10 yes but not 5.

(Aug. 07, 2023  8:00 PM)Orichalcum Wrote: [ -> ]

(Aug. 07, 2023  6:54 PM)Phantom legend Wrote: [ -> ]I’m gonna be honest you have done nothing but underestimate bladers all season. You’ve underestimated Drum, kitt, Aiga, Valt, and Xander. Also, no Pri only stood that much of a chance against Valt because of the extra power that Bell’s launcher gave her. Without his launcher she wouldn’t have had that extra boost to keep up with Valt. Also no inconsistency does matter, since it literally adds to their win rates and overall performance level. Bell beat Valt in DB so? He got toyed with by Illya, lost to basara and lost to Valt 10 times after so does that make them legend level and on par with Valt? No. If someone is inconsistent then you can’t say that they’re on par with their opponents level because they can’t consistently compete with them. Also Free throughout the entire series has been treated as one of the best he’s been outdoing 98 percent of the competition since day one, sometimes bladers will do better sometimes they wont but what matters is how consistent they are something that free is extremely good at along with the other legends such as Valt, Aiga, and Drum. This is Free someone who is literally one of Valt’s greatest rivals right next to Shu. These guys are legends because they have done more than any other blader, they have achieved some the greatest feats time after time again, and they constantly grow stronger day by day overcoming new challenges all the time. So the fact you think that any blader can just be legend level after one showdown and not being consistent shows how much you really underestimate them. Despite the season constantly showing that you shouldn’t.

Pri also mid diffed Drum, who is #6 on the Legends ranking. And Bell lost to Bashara, then beat Valt, in case you were wondering. Also, there are fifteen legends in the series and Valt was getting stronger as he had lost two 2 gear Belial but then clashed with a Greastest Raphael Rashad who should be stronger than when he broke Perfect Belial. By feats, Ilya and Basara should Hagen been legend level then because even if the couldn’t beat  Valt by DB episode 25 or so there are still fourteen other Legends they could be stronger then. Valt isn’t the only legend. And how are Bell and Pri inconsistent. Pri walloped Kitt and Ranzo at the same time the new burst Dragon. Logically, she’s should Ben legend level as she is replicating their feats. Bell beat Pandemonium, who beat Valt and Aiga. “Inconsistency” doesn’t work because you are comparing different versions of the characters. Why would Savior Valkyrie be equal to Ultimate? Why is Destined belfyre Bell suddenly relative to three gear Dynamite? Same goes for Free. Just b/c he was at the top in God to Sparking doesn’t mean the same for DB. How about you actually compare a character’s feats when said feats are from the same form of the character? 

And the Legend system wasn’t that logical at the very beginning. We have people like Zac, who has peaked at national level out ranking Daigo, who almost beat Joshua, a Big 5 member and Rantaro being a legend despite never beating a single international level blader in any point of time. And all blader get stronger at a constant rate. The legends may be portrayed as the top dogs, but their feats, I.e. the exhibits of their actual power, have not matched upcoming with that. At least not enough for all of them to be stronger than every non Legend.

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(Aug. 07, 2023  8:00 PM)God Dragruler Wrote: [ -> ]Someone who's inconsistence shouldnt be top 5 or legend level Just because 1 one match a person Manage to be equal to another Doenst make you at its level. Free has been constantly Been put to Lui level whether one person like it or Not author words is the law.  So if Kitt Manage to beat Aiga once would that make him top 5? No it doesnt someone whos at the top are People that has been constantly having great record.  For example Lane is legend level cause he has fought 90% the legend an always been either equal or better never weaker thats call being consistence but neither Pri or Bell has showcase this they could be equal and beat valt or Aiga now but get washed by someone who's lower same goes for Pax thats Not how powerscaling work powerscaling is about consistence on how one perform all the time.

 Feats are more important than statements. If Morris says than Free is stronger than Lui, but has Lui beats opponents who have beaten Free, with both in their most recent forms, the. Lui should be  stronger than Free. Pri and Bell, in their most recent forms, have shown consistency. Pri beats Kitt, then Drum, both without the launcher with Flame Pandora. Both feats were replicated in the same form, and don’t contradict each other. Bell beats Pax with Destined while also using his new launcher, and Pax beats unevolved Ultimate, then Zeal Achilles, both with a Glowing Ruin Pandemonium. All of these feats are consistent with one another and performed by characters, with  each being in the same form for their respective feats. That’s consistency.

A new bey makes a old character a new version of the same character, what??

(Aug. 07, 2023  8:00 PM)Orichalcum Wrote: [ -> ]

(Aug. 07, 2023  6:54 PM)Phantom legend Wrote: [ -> ]I’m gonna be honest you have done nothing but underestimate bladers all season. You’ve underestimated Drum, kitt, Aiga, Valt, and Xander. Also, no Pri only stood that much of a chance against Valt because of the extra power that Bell’s launcher gave her. Without his launcher she wouldn’t have had that extra boost to keep up with Valt. Also no inconsistency does matter, since it literally adds to their win rates and overall performance level. Bell beat Valt in DB so? He got toyed with by Illya, lost to basara and lost to Valt 10 times after so does that make them legend level and on par with Valt? No. If someone is inconsistent then you can’t say that they’re on par with their opponents level because they can’t consistently compete with them. Also Free throughout the entire series has been treated as one of the best he’s been outdoing 98 percent of the competition since day one, sometimes bladers will do better sometimes they wont but what matters is how consistent they are something that free is extremely good at along with the other legends such as Valt, Aiga, and Drum. This is Free someone who is literally one of Valt’s greatest rivals right next to Shu. These guys are legends because they have done more than any other blader, they have achieved some the greatest feats time after time again, and they constantly grow stronger day by day overcoming new challenges all the time. So the fact you think that any blader can just be legend level after one showdown and not being consistent shows how much you really underestimate them. Despite the season constantly showing that you shouldn’t.

Pri also mid diffed Drum, who is #6 on the Legends ranking. And Bell lost to Bashara, then beat Valt, in case you were wondering. Also, there are fifteen legends in the series and Valt was getting stronger as he had lost two 2 gear Belial but then clashed with a Greastest Raphael Rashad who should be stronger than when he broke Perfect Belial. By feats, Ilya and Basara should Hagen been legend level then because even if the couldn’t beat  Valt by DB episode 25 or so there are still fourteen other Legends they could be stronger then. Valt isn’t the only legend. And how are Bell and Pri inconsistent. Pri walloped Kitt and Ranzo at the same time the new burst Dragon. Logically, she’s should Ben legend level as she is replicating their feats. Bell beat Pandemonium, who beat Valt and Aiga. “Inconsistency” doesn’t work because you are comparing different versions of the characters. Why would Savior Valkyrie be equal to Ultimate? Why is Destined belfyre Bell suddenly relative to three gear Dynamite? Same goes for Free. Just b/c he was at the top in God to Sparking doesn’t mean the same for DB. How about you actually compare a character’s feats when said feats are from the same form of the character? 

And the Legend system wasn’t that logical at the very beginning. We have people like Zac, who has peaked at national level out ranking Daigo, who almost beat Joshua, a Big 5 member and Rantaro being a legend despite never beating a single international level blader in any point of time. And all blader get stronger at a constant rate. The legends may be portrayed as the top dogs, but their feats, I.e. the exhibits of their actual power, have not matched upcoming with that. At least not enough for all of them to be stronger than every non Legend.

Ill say this once again. You have constantly underestimated the legends all season. Despite the series clearly showing that people shouldn't multiple times. You overhype characters like Pri 24/7 when she doesn't have that many feats but then you underestimate bladers who actually have Feats and are known as some of the worlds best bladers. Once again you’ve underestimated Valt, Aiga, Drum, Xander, kitt and practically any other blader thats not Pri. Also thats your opinion not a fact the fact is these bladers are legends because they achieve more than anyone else has, they grow stronger day by day, and constantly reach new level of heights. Pri bas been defeated all season and only got one good win against Drum thats not enough to say shes legend level, Bell has been getting demolished All season and only got one good win Against Pax ok is that enough to say hes legend level? No, and Pax despite Beating Valt and Aiga has only gotten 2 battles before loosing to Bell the same one who’s been losing all season and was introducing a new bey that no one knew the full capabilities of because of how mysterious elemental power was. Why do you think legends are called legends? Because thats one of the highest titles not anyone can just get, its a title that bladers earn by achieving the best feats, bladers who constantly push themselves forward, and bladers who always rise to new challenges and grows. Yet you think after one or two good wins that suddenly makes them legends? Even Shu himself said pax wasn't a legend nor was he close to becoming one.

(Aug. 07, 2023  8:15 PM)Phantom legend Wrote: [ -> ]

(Aug. 07, 2023  8:00 PM)Orichalcum Wrote: [ -> ]Pri also mid diffed Drum, who is #6 on the Legends ranking. And Bell lost to Bashara, then beat Valt, in case you were wondering. Also, there are fifteen legends in the series and Valt was getting stronger as he had lost two 2 gear Belial but then clashed with a Greastest Raphael Rashad who should be stronger than when he broke Perfect Belial. By feats, Ilya and Basara should Hagen been legend level then because even if the couldn’t beat  Valt by DB episode 25 or so there are still fourteen other Legends they could be stronger then. Valt isn’t the only legend. And how are Bell and Pri inconsistent. Pri walloped Kitt and Ranzo at the same time the new burst Dragon. Logically, she’s should Ben legend level as she is replicating their feats. Bell beat Pandemonium, who beat Valt and Aiga. “Inconsistency” doesn’t work because you are comparing different versions of the characters. Why would Savior Valkyrie be equal to Ultimate? Why is Destined belfyre Bell suddenly relative to three gear Dynamite? Same goes for Free. Just b/c he was at the top in God to Sparking doesn’t mean the same for DB. How about you actually compare a character’s feats when said feats are from the same form of the character? 

And the Legend system wasn’t that logical at the very beginning. We have people like Zac, who has peaked at national level out ranking Daigo, who almost beat Joshua, a Big 5 member and Rantaro being a legend despite never beating a single international level blader in any point of time. And all blader get stronger at a constant rate. The legends may be portrayed as the top dogs, but their feats, I.e. the exhibits of their actual power, have not matched upcoming with that. At least not enough for all of them to be stronger than every non Legend.

Ill say this once again. You have constantly underestimated the legends all season. Despite the series clearly showing that people shouldn't multiple times. You overhype characters like Pri 24/7 when she doesn't have that many feats but then you underestimate bladers who actually have Feats and are known as some of the worlds best bladers. Once again you’ve underestimated Valt, Aiga, Drum, Xander, kitt and practically any other blader thats not Pri. Also thats your opinion not a fact the fact is these bladers are legends because they achieve more than anyone else has, they grow stronger day by day, and that constantly reach new level of heights. Pri has gotten destroyed all season and only got one good win against Drum thats not enough to say shes legend level, Bell has been getting demolished All season and only got one good win Against Pax ok is that enough to say hes legend level? No, and Pax despite Beating Valt and Aiga has only gotten 2 battles before loosing to Bell the same one who’s been losing all season. Why do you think legends are called legends? Because thats one of the highest titles that anyone can get yet you think after one or two good wins that suddenly makes them legends? Even Shu himself said pax wasn't a legend nor was he close to becoming one.

Again, stop comparing different forms of the characters. The Bell who got trashed all season isn’t the Bell who evolved his bey, got a new launcher and beat Pax. One is massively stronger than the other. Same with Pri. The one that got bullied by every Legends didn’t have Flame Pandora and couldn't use Elements nilly willy. If you want to prove that Bell and Pri aren’t Legend level, you need to prove how the Bell that beat Pax and the Pri that beat Drum consistently lose to the Legends using the feats that Bell shows with Destined Belfyre with the new launcher and Pri with Flame Pandora. Using your logic, I could argue that Valt is weaker than Lui because Lui mopped him in Beyblade burst, ignoring the fact that Valt has better feats, and evolved Valkyrie multiple times.

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(Aug. 07, 2023  8:15 PM)ScarletTurbo44 Wrote: [ -> ]

(Aug. 07, 2023  8:00 PM)Orichalcum Wrote: [ -> ]Pri also mid diffed Drum, who is #6 on the Legends ranking. And Bell lost to Bashara, then beat Valt, in case you were wondering. Also, there are fifteen legends in the series and Valt was getting stronger as he had lost two 2 gear Belial but then clashed with a Greastest Raphael Rashad who should be stronger than when he broke Perfect Belial. By feats, Ilya and Basara should Hagen been legend level then because even if the couldn’t beat  Valt by DB episode 25 or so there are still fourteen other Legends they could be stronger then. Valt isn’t the only legend. And how are Bell and Pri inconsistent. Pri walloped Kitt and Ranzo at the same time the new burst Dragon. Logically, she’s should Ben legend level as she is replicating their feats. Bell beat Pandemonium, who beat Valt and Aiga. “Inconsistency” doesn’t work because you are comparing different versions of the characters. Why would Savior Valkyrie be equal to Ultimate? Why is Destined belfyre Bell suddenly relative to three gear Dynamite? Same goes for Free. Just b/c he was at the top in God to Sparking doesn’t mean the same for DB. How about you actually compare a character’s feats when said feats are from the same form of the character? 

And the Legend system wasn’t that logical at the very beginning. We have people like Zac, who has peaked at national level out ranking Daigo, who almost beat Joshua, a Big 5 member and Rantaro being a legend despite never beating a single international level blader in any point of time. And all blader get stronger at a constant rate. The legends may be portrayed as the top dogs, but their feats, I.e. the exhibits of their actual power, have not matched upcoming with that. At least not enough for all of them to be stronger than every non Legend.

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 Feats are more important than statements. If Morris says than Free is stronger than Lui, but has Lui beats opponents who have beaten Free, with both in their most recent forms, the. Lui should be  stronger than Free. Pri and Bell, in their most recent forms, have shown consistency. Pri beats Kitt, then Drum, both without the launcher with Flame Pandora. Both feats were replicated in the same form, and don’t contradict each other. Bell beats Pax with Destined while also using his new launcher, and Pax beats unevolved Ultimate, then Zeal Achilles, both with a Glowing Ruin Pandemonium. All of these feats are consistent with one another and performed by characters, with  each being in the same form for their respective feats. That’s consistency.

A new bey makes a old character a new version of the same character, what??

By that I mean that if a character makes a new bey learns a new move, or gets objectively stronger by something new, their old feats can’t be usernames to scale them, you have to use the character with the new something’s feats to scale how strong said character is. Example: Valt with Strike Valkyrie is stronger than Silas with Kinetic Satomb despite the fact that Valt with God Valkyrie lost to Silas with Kinetic Satomb. Does that makes sense?

Honestly, shame Aiga is still the champion. He doesn't deserve the title anymore.

(Aug. 07, 2023  8:21 PM)Orichalcum Wrote: [ -> ]

(Aug. 07, 2023  8:15 PM)Phantom legend Wrote: [ -> ]Ill say this once again. You have constantly underestimated the legends all season. Despite the series clearly showing that people shouldn't multiple times. You overhype characters like Pri 24/7 when she doesn't have that many feats but then you underestimate bladers who actually have Feats and are known as some of the worlds best bladers. Once again you’ve underestimated Valt, Aiga, Drum, Xander, kitt and practically any other blader thats not Pri. Also thats your opinion not a fact the fact is these bladers are legends because they achieve more than anyone else has, they grow stronger day by day, and that constantly reach new level of heights. Pri has gotten destroyed all season and only got one good win against Drum thats not enough to say shes legend level, Bell has been getting demolished All season and only got one good win Against Pax ok is that enough to say hes legend level? No, and Pax despite Beating Valt and Aiga has only gotten 2 battles before loosing to Bell the same one who’s been losing all season. Why do you think legends are called legends? Because thats one of the highest titles that anyone can get yet you think after one or two good wins that suddenly makes them legends? Even Shu himself said pax wasn't a legend nor was he close to becoming one.

Again, stop comparing different forms of the characters. The Bell who got trashed all season isn’t the Bell who evolved his bey, got a new launcher and beat Pax. One is massively stronger than the other. Same with Pri. The one that got bullied by every Legends didn’t have Flame Pandora and couldn't use Elements nilly willy. If you want to prove that Bell and Pri aren’t Legend level, you need to prove how the Bell that beat Pax and the Pri that beat Drum consistently lose to the Legends using the feats that Bell shows with Destined Belfyre with the new launcher and Pri with Flame Pandora. Using your logic, I could argue that Valt is weaker than Lui because Lui mopped him in Beyblade burst, ignoring the fact that Valt has better feats, and evolved Valkyrie multiple times.

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(Aug. 07, 2023  8:15 PM)ScarletTurbo44 Wrote: [ -> ]A new bey makes a old character a new version of the same character, what??

By that I mean that if a character makes a new bey learns a new move, or gets objectively stronger by something new, their old feats can’t be usernames to scale them, you have to use the character with the new something’s feats to scale how strong said character is. Example: Valt with Strike Valkyrie is stronger than Silas with Kinetic Satomb despite the fact that Valt with God Valkyrie lost to Silas with Kinetic Satomb. Does that makes sense?

Oh you want to go there huh? Funny because Lui did mop Valt theres no lying but you want to know something? Valt has achieved more than Lui ever since then, He beat Free, beat Shu, became the world champion, held that title for two years straight and after all those years Valt still stands on top, why? Simple Valt has shown CONSISTENTLY better feats and has been flat out stated to be stronger. So that doesn't work. Your entire argument is that “they did better once so that must mean their stronger”. There’s a difference between what I’m saying, and what you’re saying. These guys are legends because they consistently grow stronger, they consistently beat stronger opponents, they consistently push themselves forward achieving greater feats than the rest of the blading world. Pri, Bell and Pax dont have any constant feats. Bell has gotten demolished all season and only got 1 good win against Pax, Pri has been getting destroyed all season and only got one good win on Drum, and Pax was introducing a bey that completely utilized elemental power in ways that people didnt fully understand and lost to Bell the same one who has lost 98 percent of his battle. Bell is still Bell, Pri is still Pri, and Pax is still pax. New beys dont make a new blader. What makes a new blader is the skills that they have and how they grow. One good win doesn't make them a legend. Can’t say that someone is stronger if they don’t consistently show feats that rivals the other. And despite pax beating Valt guess what Shu said, hes nowhere close to becoming a legend which disproves your point and Aiga said that every time Valt loses he only comes back stronger. Valt consistently gets stronger and consistently shows the best feats. Bell and Pri have not shown any sort of consistent feats that would put them as legends.

(Aug. 07, 2023  8:21 PM)Orichalcum Wrote: [ -> ]

(Aug. 07, 2023  8:15 PM)Phantom legend Wrote: [ -> ]Ill say this once again. You have constantly underestimated the legends all season. Despite the series clearly showing that people shouldn't multiple times. You overhype characters like Pri 24/7 when she doesn't have that many feats but then you underestimate bladers who actually have Feats and are known as some of the worlds best bladers. Once again you’ve underestimated Valt, Aiga, Drum, Xander, kitt and practically any other blader thats not Pri. Also thats your opinion not a fact the fact is these bladers are legends because they achieve more than anyone else has, they grow stronger day by day, and that constantly reach new level of heights. Pri has gotten destroyed all season and only got one good win against Drum thats not enough to say shes legend level, Bell has been getting demolished All season and only got one good win Against Pax ok is that enough to say hes legend level? No, and Pax despite Beating Valt and Aiga has only gotten 2 battles before loosing to Bell the same one who’s been losing all season. Why do you think legends are called legends? Because thats one of the highest titles that anyone can get yet you think after one or two good wins that suddenly makes them legends? Even Shu himself said pax wasn't a legend nor was he close to becoming one.

Again, stop comparing different forms of the characters. The Bell who got trashed all season isn’t the Bell who evolved his bey, got a new launcher and beat Pax. One is massively stronger than the other. Same with Pri. The one that got bullied by every Legends didn’t have Flame Pandora and couldn't use Elements nilly willy. If you want to prove that Bell and Pri aren’t Legend level, you need to prove how the Bell that beat Pax and the Pri that beat Drum consistently lose to the Legends using the feats that Bell shows with Destined Belfyre with the new launcher and Pri with Flame Pandora. Using your logic, I could argue that Valt is weaker than Lui because Lui mopped him in Beyblade burst, ignoring the fact that Valt has better feats, and evolved Valkyrie multiple times.

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(Aug. 07, 2023  8:15 PM)ScarletTurbo44 Wrote: [ -> ]A new bey makes a old character a new version of the same character, what??

By that I mean that if a character makes a new bey learns a new move, or gets objectively stronger by something new, their old feats can’t be usernames to scale them, you have to use the character with the new something’s feats to scale how strong said character is. Example: Valt with Strike Valkyrie is stronger than Silas with Kinetic Satomb despite the fact that Valt with God Valkyrie lost to Silas with Kinetic Satomb. Does that makes sense?

I get your logic but at the same time that logic has flaws. Changing a bey doesn't change the character or their skill level and feats. They just have a new bey. Kind of a stretch to call them a new version of themselves when nearly everything about their playstyle stays the same.

(Aug. 07, 2023  8:43 PM)Phantom legend Wrote: [ -> ]

(Aug. 07, 2023  8:21 PM)Orichalcum Wrote: [ -> ]Again, stop comparing different forms of the characters. The Bell who got trashed all season isn’t the Bell who evolved his bey, got a new launcher and beat Pax. One is massively stronger than the other. Same with Pri. The one that got bullied by every Legends didn’t have Flame Pandora and couldn't use Elements nilly willy. If you want to prove that Bell and Pri aren’t Legend level, you need to prove how the Bell that beat Pax and the Pri that beat Drum consistently lose to the Legends using the feats that Bell shows with Destined Belfyre with the new launcher and Pri with Flame Pandora. Using your logic, I could argue that Valt is weaker than Lui because Lui mopped him in Beyblade burst, ignoring the fact that Valt has better feats, and evolved Valkyrie multiple times.

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By that I mean that if a character makes a new bey learns a new move, or gets objectively stronger by something new, their old feats can’t be usernames to scale them, you have to use the character with the new something’s feats to scale how strong said character is. Example: Valt with Strike Valkyrie is stronger than Silas with Kinetic Satomb despite the fact that Valt with God Valkyrie lost to Silas with Kinetic Satomb. Does that makes sense?

Oh you want to go there huh? Funny because Lui did mop Valt theres no lying but you want to know something? Valt has achieved more than Lui ever since then, He beat Free, beat Shu, became the world champion, held that title for two years straight and after all those years Valt still stands on top, why? Simple Valt has shown CONSISTENTLY better feats and has been flat out stated to be stronger. So that doesn't work. Your entire argument is that “they did better once so that must mean their stronger”. There’s a difference between what I’m saying, and what you’re saying. These guys are legends because they consistently grow stronger, they consistently beat stronger opponents, they consistently push themselves forward achieving greater feats than the rest of the blading world. Pri, Bell and Pax dont have any constant feats. Bell has gotten demolished all season and only got 1 good win against Pax, Pri has been getting destroyed all season and only got one good win on Drum, and Pax was introducing a bey that completely utilized elemental power in ways that people didnt fully understand and lost to Bell the same one who has lost 98 percent of his battle. Bell is still Bell, Pri is still Pri, and Pax is still pax. New beys dont make a new blader. What makes a new blader is the skills that they have and how they grow. One good win doesn't make them a legend. Can’t say that someone is stronger if they don’t consistently show feats that rivals the other. And despite pax beating Valt guess what Shu said, hes nowhere close to becoming a legend which disproves your point.

That Valt and Lui shtick was an example of your logic, not mine. I literally said “Using your logic”. My argument is that Pri with FLAME Pandora, not Twister, not Tidal, not Lightning, and Bell with DESTINED Belial with his new launcher, not Dynamite, not Dangerous, nor Divine, are Legend level because those forms of the Bladers have feats that put them at Legend Level, Shu said that If he didn’t take off the mask, he’d never become a legend, not that he wasn’t too weak to be one, If you’re going type in a paragraph, a two least represent my argument correctly. End of series Pri and Bell should Ben Legend level, not their previous forms.

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(Aug. 07, 2023  8:53 PM)ScarletTurbo44 Wrote: [ -> ]

(Aug. 07, 2023  8:21 PM)Orichalcum Wrote: [ -> ]Again, stop comparing different forms of the characters. The Bell who got trashed all season isn’t the Bell who evolved his bey, got a new launcher and beat Pax. One is massively stronger than the other. Same with Pri. The one that got bullied by every Legends didn’t have Flame Pandora and couldn't use Elements nilly willy. If you want to prove that Bell and Pri aren’t Legend level, you need to prove how the Bell that beat Pax and the Pri that beat Drum consistently lose to the Legends using the feats that Bell shows with Destined Belfyre with the new launcher and Pri with Flame Pandora. Using your logic, I could argue that Valt is weaker than Lui because Lui mopped him in Beyblade burst, ignoring the fact that Valt has better feats, and evolved Valkyrie multiple times.

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By that I mean that if a character makes a new bey learns a new move, or gets objectively stronger by something new, their old feats can’t be usernames to scale them, you have to use the character with the new something’s feats to scale how strong said character is. Example: Valt with Strike Valkyrie is stronger than Silas with Kinetic Satomb despite the fact that Valt with God Valkyrie lost to Silas with Kinetic Satomb. Does that makes sense?

I get your logic but at the same time that logic has flaws. Changing a bey doesn't change the character or their skill level and feats. They just have a new bey. Kind of a stretch to call them a new version of themselves when nearly everything about their playstyle stays the same.

True, but there’s a lot of things that change when you get a new bey. For example, the bey will have better stars and new abilities. Like how Pri can just spam Elements to do all kinds of crazy stuff. Pri stayed the same, but her bey became so much stronger that her feats became significantly better i.e beating Drum with mid difficulty.

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(Aug. 07, 2023  8:40 PM)g2_ Wrote: [ -> ]Honestly, shame Aiga is still the champion. He doesn't deserve the title anymore.

True. But who does?

(Aug. 07, 2023  8:56 PM)Orichalcum Wrote: [ -> ]

(Aug. 07, 2023  8:43 PM)Phantom legend Wrote: [ -> ]Oh you want to go there huh? Funny because Lui did mop Valt theres no lying but you want to know something? Valt has achieved more than Lui ever since then, He beat Free, beat Shu, became the world champion, held that title for two years straight and after all those years Valt still stands on top, why? Simple Valt has shown CONSISTENTLY better feats and has been flat out stated to be stronger. So that doesn't work. Your entire argument is that “they did better once so that must mean their stronger”. There’s a difference between what I’m saying, and what you’re saying. These guys are legends because they consistently grow stronger, they consistently beat stronger opponents, they consistently push themselves forward achieving greater feats than the rest of the blading world. Pri, Bell and Pax dont have any constant feats. Bell has gotten demolished all season and only got 1 good win against Pax, Pri has been getting destroyed all season and only got one good win on Drum, and Pax was introducing a bey that completely utilized elemental power in ways that people didnt fully understand and lost to Bell the same one who has lost 98 percent of his battle. Bell is still Bell, Pri is still Pri, and Pax is still pax. New beys dont make a new blader. What makes a new blader is the skills that they have and how they grow. One good win doesn't make them a legend. Can’t say that someone is stronger if they don’t consistently show feats that rivals the other. And despite pax beating Valt guess what Shu said, hes nowhere close to becoming a legend which disproves your point.

That Valt and Lui shtick was an example of your logic, not mine. I literally said “Using your logic”. My argument is that Pri with FLAME Pandora, not Twister, not Tidal, not Lightning, and Bell with DESTINED Belial with his new launcher, not Dynamite, not Dangerous, nor Divine, are Legend level because those forms of the Bladers have feats that put them at Legend Level, Shu said that If he didn’t take off the mask, he’d never become a legend, not that he wasn’t too weak to be one, If you’re going type in a paragraph, a two least represent my argument correctly. End of series Pri and Bell should Ben Legend level, not their previous forms.

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(Aug. 07, 2023  8:53 PM)ScarletTurbo44 Wrote: [ -> ]I get your logic but at the same time that logic has flaws. Changing a bey doesn't change the character or their skill level and feats. They just have a new bey. Kind of a stretch to call them a new version of themselves when nearly everything about their playstyle stays the same.

True, but there’s a lot of things that change when you get a new bey. For example, the bey will have better stars and new abilities. Like how Pri can just spam Elements to do all kinds of crazy stuff. Pri stayed the same, but her bey became so much stronger that her feats became significantly better i.e beating Drum with mid difficulty.

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(Aug. 07, 2023  8:40 PM)g2_ Wrote: [ -> ]Honestly, shame Aiga is still the champion. He doesn't deserve the title anymore.

True. But who does?

I wanted Bel to be the champion, he was the protagonist for 2 seasons, he deserved it.

(Aug. 07, 2023  8:56 PM)Orichalcum Wrote: [ -> ]

(Aug. 07, 2023  8:43 PM)Phantom legend Wrote: [ -> ]Oh you want to go there huh? Funny because Lui did mop Valt theres no lying but you want to know something? Valt has achieved more than Lui ever since then, He beat Free, beat Shu, became the world champion, held that title for two years straight and after all those years Valt still stands on top, why? Simple Valt has shown CONSISTENTLY better feats and has been flat out stated to be stronger. So that doesn't work. Your entire argument is that “they did better once so that must mean their stronger”. There’s a difference between what I’m saying, and what you’re saying. These guys are legends because they consistently grow stronger, they consistently beat stronger opponents, they consistently push themselves forward achieving greater feats than the rest of the blading world. Pri, Bell and Pax dont have any constant feats. Bell has gotten demolished all season and only got 1 good win against Pax, Pri has been getting destroyed all season and only got one good win on Drum, and Pax was introducing a bey that completely utilized elemental power in ways that people didnt fully understand and lost to Bell the same one who has lost 98 percent of his battle. Bell is still Bell, Pri is still Pri, and Pax is still pax. New beys dont make a new blader. What makes a new blader is the skills that they have and how they grow. One good win doesn't make them a legend. Can’t say that someone is stronger if they don’t consistently show feats that rivals the other. And despite pax beating Valt guess what Shu said, hes nowhere close to becoming a legend which disproves your point.

That Valt and Lui shtick was an example of your logic, not mine. I literally said “Using your logic”. My argument is that Pri with FLAME Pandora, not Twister, not Tidal, not Lightning, and Bell with DESTINED Belial with his new launcher, not Dynamite, not Dangerous, nor Divine, are Legend level because those forms of the Bladers have feats that put them at Legend Level, Shu said that If he didn’t take off the mask, he’d never become a legend, not that he wasn’t too weak to be one, If you’re going type in a paragraph, a two least represent my argument correctly. End of series Pri and Bell should Ben Legend level, not their previous forms.

Well they aren't. I get that your mad about it, but you don't have to run around the site whiteknighting Bel and Pri and griefing others over their own opinion on two different threads. Someone didn't put Bel and Pri in their top 10 and you literally got triggered. Big whoop. Chill out my guy. Burst ended today and your turning what should be a time to be grateful and celebrate into a civil war.

(Aug. 07, 2023  8:56 PM)Orichalcum Wrote: [ -> ]

(Aug. 07, 2023  8:43 PM)Phantom legend Wrote: [ -> ]Oh you want to go there huh? Funny because Lui did mop Valt theres no lying but you want to know something? Valt has achieved more than Lui ever since then, He beat Free, beat Shu, became the world champion, held that title for two years straight and after all those years Valt still stands on top, why? Simple Valt has shown CONSISTENTLY better feats and has been flat out stated to be stronger. So that doesn't work. Your entire argument is that “they did better once so that must mean their stronger”. There’s a difference between what I’m saying, and what you’re saying. These guys are legends because they consistently grow stronger, they consistently beat stronger opponents, they consistently push themselves forward achieving greater feats than the rest of the blading world. Pri, Bell and Pax dont have any constant feats. Bell has gotten demolished all season and only got 1 good win against Pax, Pri has been getting destroyed all season and only got one good win on Drum, and Pax was introducing a bey that completely utilized elemental power in ways that people didnt fully understand and lost to Bell the same one who has lost 98 percent of his battle. Bell is still Bell, Pri is still Pri, and Pax is still pax. New beys dont make a new blader. What makes a new blader is the skills that they have and how they grow. One good win doesn't make them a legend. Can’t say that someone is stronger if they don’t consistently show feats that rivals the other. And despite pax beating Valt guess what Shu said, hes nowhere close to becoming a legend which disproves your point.

That Valt and Lui shtick was an example of your logic, not mine. I literally said “Using your logic”. My argument is that Pri with FLAME Pandora, not Twister, not Tidal, not Lightning, and Bell with DESTINED Belial with his new launcher, not Dynamite, not Dangerous, nor Divine, are Legend level because those forms of the Bladers have feats that put them at Legend Level, Shu said that If he didn’t take off the mask, he’d never become a legend, not that he wasn’t too weak to be one, If you’re going type in a paragraph, a two least represent my argument correctly. End of series Pri and Bell should Ben Legend level, not their previous forms.

You completely separating Pri and Bell as if their not the same person.Bell is still Bell and Pri is still Pri nothing will change that. EoS Bell is still Bell all the way through, and EoS Pri is still Pri you cant treat them as if their different people. If you want to accurately rank them you need to include all their wins and losses, their good and bad and right now their bad (losses) shines through more than their good (wins). You cant talk about how strong they are against others but not mention their losses either. Thats how you compare them with other bladers to see if they are truly on par or stronger. Pri and Bell have been getting dominated all season so why 1 would good win offset their entire history or make them stronger than any of the other bladers that actually have been doing consistently better compared to them? The only way for them to truly prove that they’re better is for them to have a consistently better win rate that rivals the competition or surpasses it just like every blader before: Valt, Shu, Aiga, Drum, and etc.

Pri and Bell shouldn’t get some special exception, why should they get their bad points taken away and overlooked while other bladers have to show constant proof of them being the best? If they have to get bad points taken away to look like legends then maybe they aren’t legends.