I'd be glad to see argue with this lol. Actually evidence goes way farther than just recalling events in a thinly veiled light to make them look good or bad.
(May. 13, 2021 6:09 PM)PinkRose Wrote: [ -> ] (May. 13, 2021 6:06 PM)Ryuga\s Son Wrote: [ -> ]I agree Burst has character development but I got pissed off when I read "Burst outclasses MFB in Character Development".
That's why I thank God every day I'm not biased due to nostalgia...
For real tho, my point is this: Burst is a more realistic generation of Beyblade, and this carries on to the lifes of its cast. They face real-life personal issues, they tackle them like any normal 11-year-old kid would, and even if it's not out of the ordinary, it's nice for what it is and very well-done, and MFB doesn't have that sort of thing because their characters do not live in a universe so similar to real life.
Although I am a little biased, I still think that there is something that metal fight has that burst (at least the newer seasons) doesn’t. Even when rewatching metal fight seems more interesting for some reason.
(May. 13, 2021 6:12 PM)Admiral W Wrote: [ -> ] (May. 13, 2021 5:48 PM)Instarez Wrote: [ -> ]Ok, real like struggles. 1, isolation. Burst have good portrayal of it? Nah. 2, pride. Burst have a good portrayal of it? Nah? 3, self doubt? Burst have a good portrayal? nah.
Burst has excellent portrayals of all those.
Ken struggled with isolation due to the fact that he was always moving around. He never had to opportunity to form real connections with people. That's partially the reason he speaks using the puppets. He isn't used to connecting with people. Over the course of the season we see Ken come out of his shell and open up little by little. By the time it's revealed that he has to leave the school, we see that he's gotten so close to bey club members even talking without the puppets, therefore revealing how much he's opened up. He even cried because he finally got the opportunity to form real friendships and make real connections, and now he has to leave. He was so shy in beginning but because he met Valt and the others, he came out of his shell and by the time of the national tournament he returns with this Newfound confidence.
Wakiya dealt heavily with pride. From the beginning Wakiya had no respect for his opponents due to his pride and overconfidence in his own abilities, by the end of the season though he's come to respect the bladers around him and to care for them. He even held up his own match in the Nationals, embarrassed himself on live TV so Valt could make it to his match. And he season 2 he acknowledges how far Valt has come and how good he's gotten realizing that he needs to up his game to keep up.
Valt had to confront serious self doubt all season born from the way others underestimated him. As an example Wakiya told him that not everyone is cut out to be a great blader, and we see Valt struggle with the self doubt that came from that, we also see him struggle with that during the national tournament. So many bladers underestimated him and he doubted his abilities all season because of that. He eventually learned not to give into those opinions and to instead focus on his goals and his realtionship with Valtryek.
Yeah, Burst season one and two are still really good since they have this kind of character development! The later seasons are where it stop being good. This actually applies with metal fight too, metal fury was kinda meh and zero g was boring
(May. 13, 2021 6:09 PM)PinkRose Wrote: [ -> ] (May. 13, 2021 6:06 PM)Ryuga\s Son Wrote: [ -> ]I agree Burst has character development but I got pissed off when I read "Burst outclasses MFB in Character Development".
That's why I thank God every day I'm not biased due to nostalgia...
For real tho, my point is this: Burst is a more realistic generation of Beyblade, and this carries on to the lifes of its cast. They face real-life personal issues, they tackle them like any normal 11-year-old kid would, and even if it's not out of the ordinary, it's nice for what it is and very well-done, and MFB doesn't have that sort of thing because their characters do not live in a universe so similar to real life.
That's maybe true, but the strange way MFB operates proves to superior to Burst's. In every MFB vs Burst argument, it's "Burst is more realistic". It's used too many times and just straight off biased. Realistic doesn't mean it's better. but, God and Evolution were VERY good seasons. That's the max I can give u
(May. 13, 2021 6:09 PM)Ryuga\s Son Wrote: [ -> ] (May. 13, 2021 6:05 PM)PinkRose Wrote: [ -> ]And no, for that last point you made. Gingka's development, nice as it may be, is nothing too special, and as for Ryuga...I'll admit this might be a bit biased but his development is nothing special either. He just got off that high horse of his and became a better person, and while that's cool, it's nothing too legendary or anything. This is an issue that exists with most characters that are established as very powerful from the beggining; usually all their development boils down to them letting go of their ego for the greater good, and Ryuga's no exception.
1. What?! It was amazing. This is 100 percent biased, Gingka's character development is on par with Valt's.
2. Ryuga. Don't you dare. Ryuga changed his behavior, and pride to save the world. From being controlled by the dark power, he went to the hero who gave his star fragment to Kenta which gave the MFB world hope. Cap.
3. It's legendary for me. for you, everything Burst is legendary. For me, Burst has good things and bad things, but MFB overall is better in my opinion. You are clearly trying to show my opinion to be negligible. Forgive me if I am wrong.
4. No it doesn't. Usually? Ask Instarez. Did you read our previous posts? Did you actually watch and understand MFB?
I'm not gonna comment on the first and last points, but for 2 and 3:
- I know he did, and I know it was great and I admire his sacrifice, but you're overselling it.
- Everything Burst is legendary to me? Lmao. All shows have their ups and downs, and while I'm not above praising Burst for the good in it, that doesn't mean I'm ignoring the bad. I admit the Snake Pit arc was horribly shallow, the Dead Gran/Dark Resonance arc was the lowest low I have ever seen someone write, and plot devices like Flare straight up suck. Burst isn't perfect, and neither is MFB. I'm not trying to neglect your opinion, I'm just saying that some point you're making are plainly wrong simply because you're glorifying MFB's characters too much.
I guess Zero g was ok, just maybe more on par with Cho-Z
(May. 13, 2021 6:09 PM)Orbit Wrote: [ -> ] (May. 13, 2021 6:05 PM)PinkRose Wrote: [ -> ]And for that last point you made, no. Gingka's development, nice as it may be, is nothing too special, and as for Ryuga...I'll admit this might be a bit biased but his development is nothing too special either. He just gets off that high horse of his and becomes a better person, and while that's cool, it's not legendary or anything. This is an issue that exists with most characters that are established as very powerful from the beggining; usually all their development boils down to them letting go of their ego for the greater good, and Ryuga's no exception.
He never even let go of his ego lol
Yes ryuga is a exception. I already make a post about this.
I miss arguments and debates. As a League if Legends ad might say “I haven’t seen the sun in years!”
(May. 13, 2021 6:16 PM)Ryuga\s Son Wrote: [ -> ] (May. 13, 2021 6:09 PM)PinkRose Wrote: [ -> ]That's why I thank God every day I'm not biased due to nostalgia...
For real tho, my point is this: Burst is a more realistic generation of Beyblade, and this carries on to the lifes of its cast. They face real-life personal issues, they tackle them like any normal 11-year-old kid would, and even if it's not out of the ordinary, it's nice for what it is and very well-done, and MFB doesn't have that sort of thing because their characters do not live in a universe so similar to real life.
That's maybe true, but the strange way MFB operates proves to superior to Burst's. In every MFB vs Burst argument, it's "Burst is more realistic". It's used too many times and just straight off biased. Realistic doesn't mean it's better. but, God and Evolution were VERY good seasons. That's the max I can give u
i like how you're saying that the "burst is more realistic" thing is used too much especially since the people who argue on the mfb side say the same points too.
(May. 13, 2021 6:14 PM)Orbit Wrote: [ -> ]Although I am a little biased, I still think that there is something that metal fight has that burst (at least the newer seasons) doesn’t. Even when rewatching metal fight seems more interesting for some reason.
That's fair. Newer seasons of Burst are generally less than stellar with a few great stuff in between and don't have that charm Classic Burst and God had, but the series overall is still great for what it is, and MFB is great for what it is too.
(May. 13, 2021 6:17 PM)PinkRose Wrote: [ -> ] (May. 13, 2021 6:09 PM)Ryuga\s Son Wrote: [ -> ]1. What?! It was amazing. This is 100 percent biased, Gingka's character development is on par with Valt's.
2. Ryuga. Don't you dare. Ryuga changed his behavior, and pride to save the world. From being controlled by the dark power, he went to the hero who gave his star fragment to Kenta which gave the MFB world hope. Cap.
3. It's legendary for me. for you, everything Burst is legendary. For me, Burst has good things and bad things, but MFB overall is better in my opinion. You are clearly trying to show my opinion to be negligible. Forgive me if I am wrong.
4. No it doesn't. Usually? Ask Instarez. Did you read our previous posts? Did you actually watch and understand MFB?
I'm not gonna comment on the first and last points, but for 2 and 3:
- I know he did, and I know it was great and I admire his sacrifice, but you're overselling it.
- Everything Burst is legendary to me? Lmao. All shows have their ups and downs, and while I'm not above praising Burst for the good in it, that doesn't mean I'm ignoring the bad. I admit the Snake Pit arc was horribly shallow, the Dead Gran/Dark Resonance arc was the lowest low I have ever seen someone write, and plot devices like Flare straight up suck. Burst isn't perfect, and neither is MFB. I'm not trying to neglect your opinion, I'm just saying that some point you're making are plainly wrong simply because you're glorifying MFB's characters too much.
Hah. You 'admire' his sacrifice yet all you mock him. Yes. MFb isn't perfect. it had some stupid things. But, I'll insist that MFB had better character development. Also, Burst surpasses MFB in gimmicks. I'm not glorifying mfb's characters too much. I'm making sure they get the glory they earned.
(May. 13, 2021 6:12 PM)Admiral W Wrote: [ -> ] (May. 13, 2021 5:48 PM)Instarez Wrote: [ -> ]Ok, real like struggles. 1, isolation. Burst have good portrayal of it? Nah. 2, pride. Burst have a good portrayal of it? Nah? 3, self doubt? Burst have a good portrayal? nah.
Burst has excellent portrayals of all those.
Ken struggled with isolation due to the fact that he was always moving around. He never had to opportunity to form real connections with people. That's partially the reason he speaks using the puppets. He isn't used to connecting with people. Over the course of the season we see Ken come out of his shell and open up little by little. By the time it's revealed that he has to leave the school, we see that he's gotten so close to bey club members even talking without the puppets, therefore revealing how much he's opened up. He even cried because he finally got the opportunity to form real friendships and make real connections, and now he has to leave. He was so shy in beginning but because he met Valt and the others, he came out of his shell and by the time of the national tournament he returns with this Newfound confidence.
Wakiya dealt heavily with pride. From the beginning Wakiya had no respect for his opponents due to his pride and overconfidence in his own abilities, by the end of the season though he's come to respect the bladers around him and to care for them. He even held up his own match in the Nationals, embarrassed himself on live TV so Valt could make it to his match. And he season 2 he acknowledges how far Valt has come and how good he's gotten realizing that he needs to up his game to keep up.
Valt had to confront serious self doubt all season born from the way others underestimated him. As an example Wakiya told him that not everyone is cut out to be a great blader, and we see Valt struggle with the self doubt that came from that, we also see him struggle with that during the national tournament. So many bladers underestimated him and he doubted his abilities all season because of that. He eventually learned not to give into those opinions and to instead focus on his goals and his realtionship with Valtryek.
Okay maybe I'll give you 1/2 of the credit for this. Wakiya's thing is absolute carp. Valt's thing is awesome. Ken struggled with isolation. What?! That doesn't make a good character development example at all.
(May. 13, 2021 6:12 PM)Admiral W Wrote: [ -> ] (May. 13, 2021 5:48 PM)Instarez Wrote: [ -> ]Ok, real like struggles. 1, isolation. Burst have good portrayal of it? Nah. 2, pride. Burst have a good portrayal of it? Nah? 3, self doubt? Burst have a good portrayal? nah.
Burst has excellent portrayals of all those.
Ken struggled with isolation due to the fact that he was always moving around. He never had to opportunity to form real connections with people. That's partially the reason he speaks using the puppets. He isn't used to connecting with people. Over the course of the season we see Ken come out of his shell and open up little by little. By the time it's revealed that he has to leave the school, we see that he's gotten so close to bey club members even talking without the puppets, therefore revealing how much he's opened up. He even cried because he finally got the opportunity to form real friendships and make real connections, and now he has to leave. He was so shy in beginning but because he met Valt and the others, he came out of his shell and by the time of the national tournament he returns with this Newfound confidence.
Wakiya dealt heavily with pride. From the beginning Wakiya had no respect for his opponents due to his pride and overconfidence in his own abilities, by the end of the season though he's come to respect the bladers around him and to care for them. He even held up his own match in the Nationals, embarrassed himself on live TV so Valt could make it to his match. And he season 2 he acknowledges how far Valt has come and how good he's gotten realizing that he needs to up his game to keep up.
Valt had to confront serious self doubt all season born from the way others underestimated him. As an example Wakiya told him that not everyone is cut out to be a great blader, and we see Valt struggle with the self doubt that came from that, we also see him struggle with that during the national tournament. So many bladers underestimated him and he doubted his abilities all season because of that. He eventually learned not to give into those opinions and to instead focus on his goals and his realtionship with Valtryek.
I'll do you one better.
The cause to Brooklyn's moral misery, which made the good dark world, is that, during his childhood, people used to reject him for his talents, since everybody else usually has to work hard to reach their goal while he was seen as some kind of monster for being there already. Therefore, he was left alone, on swings sometimes, to contemplate his life while the other children had fun elsewhere.
Ryuga summoned the
Ultimate Move that he put his heart and soul into. However, Ryuga's last-ditch attempt was in vain; Rago overpowers him with
Armageddon, and the Special Move obliterated Ryuga's hopes of winning. The battle dealt Ryuga a crushing defeat, leaving Gingka and the others horrified as they saw his unconscious body.
Ryuga wakes up during Kenta's battle against Rago and Nemesis. When Ryuga awakened, he told Kenta that there was a time when he had faced his challenge seriously.
Ryuga then gives his Star Fragment to Kenta by launching L-Drago and circling Sagittario. This helped Flame Sagittario evolve into Flash Sagittario, thus making him one of the Legendary Bladers of the Four Seasons. After Ryuga gave up his powers, he and L-Drago disintegrated due to the fact that the Star Fragment was the only thing preventing this from happening earlier.
Ryuga tells Tsubasa that he has already overcome the Dark Power and found true strength. Ryuga causes everyone to flee due to his overwhelming strength.
[font="Helvetica Neue", helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Tsubasa loses [/font]control once more and goes berserk. Sophie & Wales easily see through his reckless attacks but within himself he was able to overcome the dark power as Ryuga said. Tsubasa finally breaks through after remembering his past and his present along with his friends. Tsubasa then activates a new special move: Shining Tornado Buster and defeats Sophie & Wales single-handedly.
(May. 13, 2021 6:19 PM)Pixi Wrote: [ -> ] (May. 13, 2021 6:16 PM)Ryuga\s Son Wrote: [ -> ]That's maybe true, but the strange way MFB operates proves to superior to Burst's. In every MFB vs Burst argument, it's "Burst is more realistic". It's used too many times and just straight off biased. Realistic doesn't mean it's better. but, God and Evolution were VERY good seasons. That's the max I can give u
i like how you're saying that the "burst is more realistic" thing is used too much especially since the people who argue on the mfb side say the same points too.
No we don't. We like MFB's different mythic points which make in interesting and perfect imo. "we say the same points is off".
Yeah, don't feel like I'm being rude,
and , it's just that I like MFB>
Let's just agree to disagree, okay? MFB and Burst are spearate universes with separate scenarios, and try as we may, we can never compare them fairly due to that (and personal opinions of course). Both have the great, the good, the bad and the horrible, you think MFB does development better, and I think Burst does it better. That's it, that's the thing.
(May. 13, 2021 6:23 PM)Instarez Wrote: [ -> ] (May. 13, 2021 6:12 PM)Admiral W Wrote: [ -> ]Burst has excellent portrayals of all those.
Ken struggled with isolation due to the fact that he was always moving around. He never had to opportunity to form real connections with people. That's partially the reason he speaks using the puppets. He isn't used to connecting with people. Over the course of the season we see Ken come out of his shell and open up little by little. By the time it's revealed that he has to leave the school, we see that he's gotten so close to bey club members even talking without the puppets, therefore revealing how much he's opened up. He even cried because he finally got the opportunity to form real friendships and make real connections, and now he has to leave. He was so shy in beginning but because he met Valt and the others, he came out of his shell and by the time of the national tournament he returns with this Newfound confidence.
Wakiya dealt heavily with pride. From the beginning Wakiya had no respect for his opponents due to his pride and overconfidence in his own abilities, by the end of the season though he's come to respect the bladers around him and to care for them. He even held up his own match in the Nationals, embarrassed himself on live TV so Valt could make it to his match. And he season 2 he acknowledges how far Valt has come and how good he's gotten realizing that he needs to up his game to keep up.
Valt had to confront serious self doubt all season born from the way others underestimated him. As an example Wakiya told him that not everyone is cut out to be a great blader, and we see Valt struggle with the self doubt that came from that, we also see him struggle with that during the national tournament. So many bladers underestimated him and he doubted his abilities all season because of that. He eventually learned not to give into those opinions and to instead focus on his goals and his realtionship with Valtryek.
I'll do you one better.
The cause to Brooklyn's moral misery, which made the good dark world, is that, during his childhood, people used to reject him for his talents, since everybody else usually has to work hard to reach their goal while he was seen as some kind of monster for being there already. Therefore, he was left alone, on swings sometimes, to contemplate his life while the other children had fun elsewhere.
Ryuga summoned the Ultimate Move that he put his heart and soul into. However, Ryuga's last-ditch attempt was in vain; Rago overpowers him with Armageddon, and the Special Move obliterated Ryuga's hopes of winning. The battle dealt Ryuga a crushing defeat, leaving Gingka and the others horrified as they saw his unconscious body.
Ryuga wakes up during Kenta's battle against Rago and Nemesis. When Ryuga awakened, he told Kenta that there was a time when he had faced his challenge seriously.
Ryuga then gives his Star Fragment to Kenta by launching L-Drago and circling Sagittario. This helped Flame Sagittario evolve into Flash Sagittario, thus making him one of the Legendary Bladers of the Four Seasons. After Ryuga gave up his powers, he and L-Drago disintegrated due to the fact that the Star Fragment was the only thing preventing this from happening earlier.
Ryuga tells Tsubasa that he has already overcome the Dark Power and found true strength. Ryuga causes everyone to flee due to his overwhelming strength.[font="Helvetica Neue", helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Tsubasa loses [/font]control once more and goes berserk. Sophie & Wales easily see through his reckless attacks but within himself he was able to overcome the dark power as Ryuga said. Tsubasa finally breaks through after remembering his past and his present along with his friends. Tsubasa then activates a new special move: Shining Tornado Buster and defeats Sophie & Wales single-handedly.
*imma cry*. Ryuga's sacrifice is boundless. For those who mock them, I will not spare them.
(May. 13, 2021 6:20 PM)PinkRose Wrote: [ -> ] (May. 13, 2021 6:14 PM)Orbit Wrote: [ -> ]Although I am a little biased, I still think that there is something that metal fight has that burst (at least the newer seasons) doesn’t. Even when rewatching metal fight seems more interesting for some reason.
That's fair. Newer seasons of Burst are generally less than stellar with a few great stuff in between and don't have that charm Classic Burst and God had, but the series overall is still great for what it is, and MFB is great for what it is too.
Yeah and most burst villians outclass MFB's. I have to give you this.
*sigh* See? That's why I said you're overglorifying them. I mean, I don't know anyone who would go and say that Valt's quest to save his friend was the pinnacle of noblety and purity.
(May. 13, 2021 6:23 PM)Ryuga\s Son Wrote: [ -> ] (May. 13, 2021 6:19 PM)Pixi Wrote: [ -> ]i like how you're saying that the "burst is more realistic" thing is used too much especially since the people who argue on the mfb side say the same points too.
No we don't. We like MFB's different mythic points which make in interesting and perfect imo. "we say the same points is off".
Yeah, don't feel like I'm being rude, PinkRose and Pixi, it's just that I like MFB>
look man i really dont want to argue but yes you do. literally in every mfb vs burst argument yall always bring up the same points about how mfb is this and that.
(May. 13, 2021 6:14 PM)Orbit Wrote: [ -> ] (May. 13, 2021 6:09 PM)PinkRose Wrote: [ -> ]That's why I thank God every day I'm not biased due to nostalgia...
For real tho, my point is this: Burst is a more realistic generation of Beyblade, and this carries on to the lifes of its cast. They face real-life personal issues, they tackle them like any normal 11-year-old kid would, and even if it's not out of the ordinary, it's nice for what it is and very well-done, and MFB doesn't have that sort of thing because their characters do not live in a universe so similar to real life.
Although I am a little biased, I still think that there is something that metal fight has that burst (at least the newer seasons) doesn’t. Even when rewatching metal fight seems more interesting for some reason.
(May. 13, 2021 6:12 PM)Admiral W Wrote: [ -> ]Burst has excellent portrayals of all those.
Ken struggled with isolation due to the fact that he was always moving around. He never had to opportunity to form real connections with people. That's partially the reason he speaks using the puppets. He isn't used to connecting with people. Over the course of the season we see Ken come out of his shell and open up little by little. By the time it's revealed that he has to leave the school, we see that he's gotten so close to bey club members even talking without the puppets, therefore revealing how much he's opened up. He even cried because he finally got the opportunity to form real friendships and make real connections, and now he has to leave. He was so shy in beginning but because he met Valt and the others, he came out of his shell and by the time of the national tournament he returns with this Newfound confidence.
Wakiya dealt heavily with pride. From the beginning Wakiya had no respect for his opponents due to his pride and overconfidence in his own abilities, by the end of the season though he's come to respect the bladers around him and to care for them. He even held up his own match in the Nationals, embarrassed himself on live TV so Valt could make it to his match. And he season 2 he acknowledges how far Valt has come and how good he's gotten realizing that he needs to up his game to keep up.
Valt had to confront serious self doubt all season born from the way others underestimated him. As an example Wakiya told him that not everyone is cut out to be a great blader, and we see Valt struggle with the self doubt that came from that, we also see him struggle with that during the national tournament. So many bladers underestimated him and he doubted his abilities all season because of that. He eventually learned not to give into those opinions and to instead focus on his goals and his realtionship with Valtryek.
Yeah, Burst season one and two are still really good since they have this kind of character development! The later seasons are where it stop being good. This actually applies with metal fight too, metal fury was kinda meh and zero g was boring
I'd have to disagree and agree.
1. Burst season 1 and 2 were amazing
2. Every other season was meh or stupid right off that I'll not even give them the honor of being called "beyblade".
3. Metal Fight was spectular. Best season of all time.
(May. 13, 2021 6:21 PM)Ryuga\s Son Wrote: [ -> ] (May. 13, 2021 6:17 PM)PinkRose Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not gonna comment on the first and last points, but for 2 and 3:
- I know he did, and I know it was great and I admire his sacrifice, but you're overselling it.
- Everything Burst is legendary to me? Lmao. All shows have their ups and downs, and while I'm not above praising Burst for the good in it, that doesn't mean I'm ignoring the bad. I admit the Snake Pit arc was horribly shallow, the Dead Gran/Dark Resonance arc was the lowest low I have ever seen someone write, and plot devices like Flare straight up suck. Burst isn't perfect, and neither is MFB. I'm not trying to neglect your opinion, I'm just saying that some point you're making are plainly wrong simply because you're glorifying MFB's characters too much.
Hah. You 'admire' his sacrifice yet all you mock him. Yes. MFb isn't perfect. it had some stupid things. But, I'll insist that MFB had better character development. Also, Burst surpasses MFB in gimmicks. I'm not glorifying mfb's characters too much. I'm making sure they get the glory they earned.
(May. 13, 2021 6:12 PM)Admiral W Wrote: [ -> ]Burst has excellent portrayals of all those.
Ken struggled with isolation due to the fact that he was always moving around. He never had to opportunity to form real connections with people. That's partially the reason he speaks using the puppets. He isn't used to connecting with people. Over the course of the season we see Ken come out of his shell and open up little by little. By the time it's revealed that he has to leave the school, we see that he's gotten so close to bey club members even talking without the puppets, therefore revealing how much he's opened up. He even cried because he finally got the opportunity to form real friendships and make real connections, and now he has to leave. He was so shy in beginning but because he met Valt and the others, he came out of his shell and by the time of the national tournament he returns with this Newfound confidence.
Wakiya dealt heavily with pride. From the beginning Wakiya had no respect for his opponents due to his pride and overconfidence in his own abilities, by the end of the season though he's come to respect the bladers around him and to care for them. He even held up his own match in the Nationals, embarrassed himself on live TV so Valt could make it to his match. And he season 2 he acknowledges how far Valt has come and how good he's gotten realizing that he needs to up his game to keep up.
Valt had to confront serious self doubt all season born from the way others underestimated him. As an example Wakiya told him that not everyone is cut out to be a great blader, and we see Valt struggle with the self doubt that came from that, we also see him struggle with that during the national tournament. So many bladers underestimated him and he doubted his abilities all season because of that. He eventually learned not to give into those opinions and to instead focus on his goals and his realtionship with Valtryek.
Okay maybe I'll give you 1/2 of the credit for this. Wakiya's thing is absolute carp. Valt's thing is awesome. Ken struggled with isolation. What?! That doesn't make a good character development example at all.
So it's carp because you don't agree with it even though that exactly what happened in the show?
Ken did struggle with isolation, it was directly stated that because he moved around so much he was never able to make friends with others. He was isolated. He hadn't formed any connections. I think your misunderstanding what a character arc is. A character arc is when a character undergoes a change on personal level so that by the end they are different than who they were at the start. This is executed through their experiences through the events of the story whereby they learn certain lessons or certain experiences shape them. That's exactly what happened to each of those characters. By the end Ken is no longer the shy, closed off person he was in the beginning and had formed really realtionships with people and has come out of his shell. Wakiya has come to respect Valt and the others as bladers and freely acknowledges their strength. Something he never would have done in the beginning. Everything I've presented, you can verify.
(May. 13, 2021 6:23 PM)Instarez Wrote: [ -> ]Ryuga summoned the Ultimate Move that he put his heart and soul into. However, Ryuga's last-ditch attempt was in vain; Rago overpowers him with Armageddon, and the Special Move obliterated Ryuga's hopes of winning. The battle dealt Ryuga a crushing defeat, leaving Gingka and the others horrified as they saw his unconscious body.
Ryuga wakes up during Kenta's battle against Rago and Nemesis. When Ryuga awakened, he told Kenta that there was a time when he had faced his challenge seriously.
Ryuga then gives his Star Fragment to Kenta by launching L-Drago and circling Sagittario. This helped Flame Sagittario evolve into Flash Sagittario, thus making him one of the Legendary Bladers of the Four Seasons. After Ryuga gave up his powers, he and L-Drago disintegrated due to the fact that the Star Fragment was the only thing preventing this from happening earlier.
Zero G is canon, ryuga didn’t disintegrate, he survive to give the other left spin dragon bey to that one character I can’t remember
(May. 13, 2021 6:27 PM)Pixi Wrote: [ -> ] (May. 13, 2021 6:23 PM)Ryuga\s Son Wrote: [ -> ]No we don't. We like MFB's different mythic points which make in interesting and perfect imo. "we say the same points is off".
Yeah, don't feel like I'm being rude, PinkRose and Pixi, it's just that I like MFB>
look man i really dont want to argue but yes you do. literally in every mfb vs burst argument yall always bring up the same points about how mfb is this and that.
Proof? I can quote 10+ posts about "realistic". Can you? We don't use one thing like 1000 bajillion times. We use different things to clarify our opinions.
(May. 13, 2021 6:28 PM)Admiral W Wrote: [ -> ] (May. 13, 2021 6:21 PM)Ryuga\s Son Wrote: [ -> ]Hah. You 'admire' his sacrifice yet all you mock him. Yes. MFb isn't perfect. it had some stupid things. But, I'll insist that MFB had better character development. Also, Burst surpasses MFB in gimmicks. I'm not glorifying mfb's characters too much. I'm making sure they get the glory they earned.
Okay maybe I'll give you 1/2 of the credit for this. Wakiya's thing is absolute carp. Valt's thing is awesome. Ken struggled with isolation. What?! That doesn't make a good character development example at all.
So it's carp because you don't agree with it even though that exactly what happened in the show?
Ken did struggle with isolation, it was directly stated that because he moved around so much he was never able to make friends with others. He was isolated. He hadn't formed any connections. I think your misunderstanding what a character arc is. A character arc is when a character undergoes a change on personal level so that by the end they are different than who they were at the start. This is executed through their experiences through the events of the story whereby they learn certain lessons or certain experiences shape them. That's exactly what happened to each of those characters. By the end Ken is no longer the shy, closed off person he was in the beginning and had formed really realtionships with people and has come out of his shell. Wakiya has come to respect Valt and the others as bladers and freely acknowledges their strength. Something he never would have done in the beginning. Everything I've presented, you can verify.
Ken was one of the most trashiest characters, isolation isn't a good character development point. I have to disagree because I have different opinion about this.
Ouch. As short as his time in the main cast was, Kensuke was a prime example of character development, but ultimately didn't do much battle-wise. His personality and progress as a person is admirable tho.
(May. 13, 2021 6:09 PM)Pixi Wrote: [ -> ] (May. 13, 2021 6:06 PM)Ryuga\s Son Wrote: [ -> ]I agree Burst has character development but I got pissed off when I read "Burst outclasses MFB in Character Development".
man you seriously need to respect other people's opinions.
I am. But outclasses is a overstatement. I'm not insulting your opinions. I'm stating my own and saying that outclasses is just way too much exaggeration.
(May. 13, 2021 6:29 PM)Ryuga\s Son Wrote: [ -> ] (May. 13, 2021 6:27 PM)Pixi Wrote: [ -> ]look man i really dont want to argue but yes you do. literally in every mfb vs burst argument yall always bring up the same points about how mfb is this and that.
Proof? I can quote 10+ posts about "realistic". Can you? We don't use one thing like 1000 bajillion times. We use different things to clarify our opinions.
(May. 13, 2021 6:28 PM)Admiral W Wrote: [ -> ]So it's carp because you don't agree with it even though that exactly what happened in the show?
Ken did struggle with isolation, it was directly stated that because he moved around so much he was never able to make friends with others. He was isolated. He hadn't formed any connections. I think your misunderstanding what a character arc is. A character arc is when a character undergoes a change on personal level so that by the end they are different than who they were at the start. This is executed through their experiences through the events of the story whereby they learn certain lessons or certain experiences shape them. That's exactly what happened to each of those characters. By the end Ken is no longer the shy, closed off person he was in the beginning and had formed really realtionships with people and has come out of his shell. Wakiya has come to respect Valt and the others as bladers and freely acknowledges their strength. Something he never would have done in the beginning. Everything I've presented, you can verify.
Ken was one of the most trashiest characters, isolation isn't a good character development point. I have to disagree because I have different opinion about this.
That's your opinion of the character which your entitled to even if I disagree, but I'm talking about the execution of the character arc which was well done. You not liking the character doesn't negate the arc and how well it was handled.
(May. 13, 2021 6:33 PM)Admiral W Wrote: [ -> ] (May. 13, 2021 6:29 PM)Ryuga\s Son Wrote: [ -> ]Proof? I can quote 10+ posts about "realistic". Can you? We don't use one thing like 1000 bajillion times. We use different things to clarify our opinions.
Ken was one of the most trashiest characters, isolation isn't a good character development point. I have to disagree because I have different opinion about this.
That's your opinion of the character which your entitled to even if I disagree, but I'm talking about the execution of the character arc which was well done. You not liking the character doesn't negate the arc and how well it was handled.
Yes I gotta give you that again. But, overall the isolation thing wasn't well. Not character development. Again, character arcs don't always have character development.
(May. 13, 2021 6:23 PM)Instarez Wrote: [ -> ] (May. 13, 2021 6:12 PM)Admiral W Wrote: [ -> ]Burst has excellent portrayals of all those.
Ken struggled with isolation due to the fact that he was always moving around. He never had to opportunity to form real connections with people. That's partially the reason he speaks using the puppets. He isn't used to connecting with people. Over the course of the season we see Ken come out of his shell and open up little by little. By the time it's revealed that he has to leave the school, we see that he's gotten so close to bey club members even talking without the puppets, therefore revealing how much he's opened up. He even cried because he finally got the opportunity to form real friendships and make real connections, and now he has to leave. He was so shy in beginning but because he met Valt and the others, he came out of his shell and by the time of the national tournament he returns with this Newfound confidence.
Wakiya dealt heavily with pride. From the beginning Wakiya had no respect for his opponents due to his pride and overconfidence in his own abilities, by the end of the season though he's come to respect the bladers around him and to care for them. He even held up his own match in the Nationals, embarrassed himself on live TV so Valt could make it to his match. And he season 2 he acknowledges how far Valt has come and how good he's gotten realizing that he needs to up his game to keep up.
Valt had to confront serious self doubt all season born from the way others underestimated him. As an example Wakiya told him that not everyone is cut out to be a great blader, and we see Valt struggle with the self doubt that came from that, we also see him struggle with that during the national tournament. So many bladers underestimated him and he doubted his abilities all season because of that. He eventually learned not to give into those opinions and to instead focus on his goals and his realtionship with Valtryek.
I'll do you one better.
The cause to Brooklyn's moral misery, which made the good dark world, is that, during his childhood, people used to reject him for his talents, since everybody else usually has to work hard to reach their goal while he was seen as some kind of monster for being there already. Therefore, he was left alone, on swings sometimes, to contemplate his life while the other children had fun elsewhere.
Ryuga summoned the Ultimate Move that he put his heart and soul into. However, Ryuga's last-ditch attempt was in vain; Rago overpowers him with Armageddon, and the Special Move obliterated Ryuga's hopes of winning. The battle dealt Ryuga a crushing defeat, leaving Gingka and the others horrified as they saw his unconscious body.
Ryuga wakes up during Kenta's battle against Rago and Nemesis. When Ryuga awakened, he told Kenta that there was a time when he had faced his challenge seriously.
Ryuga then gives his Star Fragment to Kenta by launching L-Drago and circling Sagittario. This helped Flame Sagittario evolve into Flash Sagittario, thus making him one of the Legendary Bladers of the Four Seasons. After Ryuga gave up his powers, he and L-Drago disintegrated due to the fact that the Star Fragment was the only thing preventing this from happening earlier.
Ryuga tells Tsubasa that he has already overcome the Dark Power and found true strength. Ryuga causes everyone to flee due to his overwhelming strength.[font="Helvetica Neue", helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Tsubasa loses [/font]control once more and goes berserk. Sophie & Wales easily see through his reckless attacks but within himself he was able to overcome the dark power as Ryuga said. Tsubasa finally breaks through after remembering his past and his present along with his friends. Tsubasa then activates a new special move: Shining Tornado Buster and defeats Sophie & Wales single-handedly.
I've never see OG so I can't speak to it. But based on what you described, it not necessarily better than what Burst did. They only took a different route.
As for Ryuga I already spoke on that point.