(Jul. 30, 2020 2:21 AM)snoc Wrote: [ -> ] (Jul. 30, 2020 2:15 AM)Admiral W Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know what strategies your talking about. Do you have an example of one? I don't have a gripe with Gwyn getting stronger, it's the degree of strength he achieved in a few short days is what I have a problem with.
As an example, the infinite shield thing. As time went on Gwyn and genes were able to perfect trajectories and spin, and made Hybrid go into a perfect spin. This is one of the goals gwyn would have to achieve to make it a perfect bey. And obviously he was always making more and more upgrades very consistently so he had the stuff in mind and was developing it already, just didn't finish it yet. And there was still lots of days during the whole Hell arc for Gwyn, from the time before just studying stuff and making formulas on hyper physics not related to beyblade, to seeing different beys and changing and upgrading to apply those formulas to beyblade, making the powercore system and a bey,unlocking genesis and finishing even more theories he was previously working on (like the big bang armor), and training at Hell. then showing his full strength during the final battle (something he wasn't expecting he needed).
I remember him calculating formulas for developing Genesis. But I'm talking about the battle strategies you said he applied to his blading.
(Jul. 30, 2020 2:25 AM)Admiral W Wrote: [ -> ] (Jul. 30, 2020 2:21 AM)snoc Wrote: [ -> ]As an example, the infinite shield thing. As time went on Gwyn and genes were able to perfect trajectories and spin, and made Hybrid go into a perfect spin. This is one of the goals gwyn would have to achieve to make it a perfect bey. And obviously he was always making more and more upgrades very consistently so he had the stuff in mind and was developing it already, just didn't finish it yet. And there was still lots of days during the whole Hell arc for Gwyn, from the time before just studying stuff and making formulas on hyper physics not related to beyblade, to seeing different beys and changing and upgrading to apply those formulas to beyblade, making the powercore system and a bey,unlocking genesis and finishing even more theories he was previously working on (like the big bang armor), and training at Hell. then showing his full strength during the final battle (something he wasn't expecting he needed).
I remember him calculating formulas for developing Genesis. But I'm talking about the battle strategies you said he applied to his blading.
yeah, I just said one. Making Hybrid have a perfect spin to create that infinite sign shield is a strategy based off of a theory he had been developing over time to go along with previous ones.
(Jul. 30, 2020 2:26 AM)snoc Wrote: [ -> ] (Jul. 30, 2020 2:25 AM)Admiral W Wrote: [ -> ]I remember him calculating formulas for developing Genesis. But I'm talking about the battle strategies you said he applied to his blading.
yeah, I just said one. Making Hybrid have a perfect spin to create that infinite sign shield is a strategy based off of a theory he had been developing over time to go along with previous ones.
That isn't really a battle strategy. That was part of his developing the power core which he found out how to finish after observing Drum.
(Jul. 30, 2020 2:28 AM)Admiral W Wrote: [ -> ] (Jul. 30, 2020 2:26 AM)snoc Wrote: [ -> ]yeah, I just said one. Making Hybrid have a perfect spin to create that infinite sign shield is a strategy based off of a theory he had been developing over time to go along with previous ones.
That isn't really a battle strategy. That was part of his developing the power core which he found out how to finish after observing Drum.
That wasn't apart of development. it came during the final battle. it wasn't just a thing he had programmed into hybrid, it was a strategy that took a while to perfect.
edit: *wasn'tÂ
edit 2 cause Im stupid: *perfect
(Jul. 30, 2020 2:29 AM)snoc Wrote: [ -> ] (Jul. 30, 2020 2:28 AM)Admiral W Wrote: [ -> ]That isn't really a battle strategy. That was part of his developing the power core which he found out how to finish after observing Drum.
That wasn't apart of development. it came during the final battle. it wasn't just a thing he had programmed into hybrid, it was a strategy that took a while to forget.
edit: *wasn't
But you said that he developed battle strategies before he started blading. What episode was that in?
(Jul. 30, 2020 2:31 AM)Admiral W Wrote: [ -> ] (Jul. 30, 2020 2:29 AM)snoc Wrote: [ -> ]That wasn't apart of development. it came during the final battle. it wasn't just a thing he had programmed into hybrid, it was a strategy that took a while to forget.
edit: *wasn't
But you said that he developed battle strategies before he started blading. What episode was that in?
It had showed when Arthur pulled up stats and records on Gwyn, Gwyn had made multiple pages of research on Hyper Physics. Gwyn just applied that into blading later. I dont have the exact episode, but I very clearly remember.
(Jul. 30, 2020 2:32 AM)snoc Wrote: [ -> ] (Jul. 30, 2020 2:31 AM)Admiral W Wrote: [ -> ]But you said that he developed battle strategies before he started blading. What episode was that in?
It had showed when Arthur pulled up stats and records on Gwyn, Gwyn had made multiple pages of research on Hyper Physics. Gwyn just applied that into blading later. I dont have the exact episode, but I very clearly remember.
But those aren't battle strategies. Hyper physics helped him develop the power core when he got an interest in blading. It helped him develop the bey itself but nowhere is it stated that applied to specific strategies in battle. Unless it was in an episode I missed.
(Jul. 30, 2020 2:35 AM)Admiral W Wrote: [ -> ] (Jul. 30, 2020 2:32 AM)snoc Wrote: [ -> ]It had showed when Arthur pulled up stats and records on Gwyn, Gwyn had made multiple pages of research on Hyper Physics. Gwyn just applied that into blading later. I dont have the exact episode, but I very clearly remember.
But those aren't battle strategies. Hyper physics helped him develop the power core when he got an interest in blading. It helped him develop the bey itself but nowhere is it stated that applied to specific strategies in battle. Unless it was in an episode I missed.
yeah they aren't, he just applied them to blading later. he changed them and later upgraded them. And I never said those were strategies, I said his infinite sign shield was a strategy that just took a while to perfect.
(Jul. 30, 2020 2:36 AM)snoc Wrote: [ -> ] (Jul. 30, 2020 2:35 AM)Admiral W Wrote: [ -> ]But those aren't battle strategies. Hyper physics helped him develop the power core when he got an interest in blading. It helped him develop the bey itself but nowhere is it stated that applied to specific strategies in battle. Unless it was in an episode I missed.
yeha they aren't, he just applied them to blading later. he changed them and later upgraded them. And I never said those were strategies, I said his infinite sign shield was a strategy that just took a while to perfect.
But the point you made was that Gwyn developed battle strategies before he started blading which is why he grew so fast. But he never had any battle strategies before he started blading. The physics helped him develop his bey.
We all can agree on the fact that gt was the most rushed season .. so iguess we have to assume that all that happened back screen. Thats the only explanation that I have as to why they dod not show him explicitly making strategies
(Jul. 30, 2020 2:42 AM)Admiral W Wrote: [ -> ] (Jul. 30, 2020 2:36 AM)snoc Wrote: [ -> ]yeha they aren't, he just applied them to blading later. he changed them and later upgraded them. And I never said those were strategies, I said his infinite sign shield was a strategy that just took a while to perfect.
But the point you made was that Gwyn developed battle strategies before he started blading which is why he grew so fast. But he never had any battle strategies before he started blading. The physics helped him develop his bey. I
yeah, it was one of the reasons. You just took it out of context. What I said was that he had already made studies on hyper physics, so he could just apply them to beyblade as well as change and upgrade them. And those theories branched off into different strategies like making Hybrid have a perfect spin for the shield.
(Jul. 30, 2020 2:42 AM)Admiral W Wrote: [ -> ] (Jul. 30, 2020 2:36 AM)snoc Wrote: [ -> ]yeha they aren't, he just applied them to blading later. he changed them and later upgraded them. And I never said those were strategies, I said his infinite sign shield was a strategy that just took a while to perfect.
But the point you made was that Gwyn developed battle strategies before he started blading which is why he grew so fast. But he never had any battle strategies before he started blading. The physics helped him develop his bey.
I hope you understand that physics dictates all the battle strategies.. if u have a grasp on physics then the strategies are extremely easy to find
(Jul. 30, 2020 2:44 AM)Vtryuga Wrote: [ -> ]We all can agree on the fact that gt was the most rushed season .. so iguess  we have to assume that all that happened back screen. Thats the only explanation that I have as to why they dod not show him explicitly making strategies
yeah it was rushed, but we don't have to assume. We already know hes made strategy as a result of his theories. they dont have to show anyone just sitting around making a strategy, that's boring and a waste of time. Especially since Gwyn does a ton of insane math, we would just be seeing him write a ton of stuff down that we cant understand.
If there's no supporting evidence, then what we see on screen doesn't make sense. All we saw was him skyrocket in power with no credible basis as to why. Without that basis that we can clearly see, then it's nonsensical.
(Jul. 30, 2020 2:46 AM)snoc Wrote: [ -> ] (Jul. 30, 2020 2:44 AM)Vtryuga Wrote: [ -> ]We all can agree on the fact that gt was the most rushed season .. so iguess  we have to assume that all that happened back screen. Thats the only explanation that I have as to why they dod not show him explicitly making strategies
yeah it was rushed, but we don't have to assume. We already know hes made strategy as a result of his theories. they dont have to show anyone just sitting around making a strategy, that's boring and a waste of time. Especially since Gwyn does a ton of insane math, we would just be seeing him write a ton of stuff down that we cant understand.
But we do have to see it if the power creep is to be justified. If not, then we're left to assume because there's no proof that he did it. Even if they just stated it, then that would make sense, but they don't even state he came up with strategies before hand.
(Jul. 30, 2020 2:44 AM)snoc Wrote: [ -> ] (Jul. 30, 2020 2:42 AM)Admiral W Wrote: [ -> ]But the point you made was that Gwyn developed battle strategies before he started blading which is why he grew so fast. But he never had any battle strategies before he started blading. The physics helped him develop his bey. I
yeah, it was one of the reasons. You just took it out of context. What I said was that he had already made studies on hyper physics, so he could just apply them to beyblade as well as change and upgrade them. And those theories branched off into different strategies like making Hybrid have a perfect spin for the shield.
So your saying it was his bey that made him skyrocket and surpass Drum and Delta? Because the only thing we saw him really apply hyper physics to was creating Genesis.
(Jul. 30, 2020 2:47 AM)Admiral W Wrote: [ -> ]If there's no supporting evidence, then what we see on screen doesn't make sense. All we saw was him skyrocket in power with no credible basis as to why. Without that basis that we can clearly see, then it's nonsensical.
I guess I'll just explain it all from the start
He already made theories on hyper physics, he just put that into beyblade. Him being able to have a head start and making stuff is already a good improvement. Then he sees more beys and develops the actual tip. While making this tip he thinks of theories that branch of into strategies. After this makes his bey and after learning how to launch he battles a lot to get to connect with Genesis. doing so is another large improvement in power (and a reasonable one). Just a reminder Genesis itself without strategies and resonance is already very powerful. Anyways After crushing Drum he goes to hell and makes one of the theories that branched off a reality: the mugen lock system. Over time during the final battle he also makes stuff like the infinite sign shield as a result of making Hybrid have a perfect rotation. He gets to train at hell a lil then goes into the final battle. Over time he analyses from the sidelines. Having this current knowledge is a big jump as he'll be able to make theories to counter them at their current power level now, and after this there's no coming back to get stronger. Also a reasonable jump. then he also brings out his full power which we had never currently seen, That was reasonable cause we didn't know it, so his full power being well-powerful isn't a surprise.
(Jul. 30, 2020 2:47 AM)Admiral W Wrote: [ -> ]If there's no supporting evidence, then what we see on screen doesn't make sense. All we saw was him skyrocket in power with no credible basis as to why. Without that basis that we can clearly see, then it's nonsensical.
(Jul. 30, 2020 2:46 AM)snoc Wrote: [ -> ]yeah it was rushed, but we don't have to assume. We already know hes made strategy as a result of his theories. they dont have to show anyone just sitting around making a strategy, that's boring and a waste of time. Especially since Gwyn does a ton of insane math, we would just be seeing him write a ton of stuff down that we cant understand.
But we do have to see it if the power creep is to be justified. If not, then we're left to assume because there's no proof that he did it. Even if they just stated it, then that would make sense, but they don't even state he came up with strategies before hand.
(Jul. 30, 2020 2:44 AM)snoc Wrote: [ -> ]yeah, it was one of the reasons. You just took it out of context. What I said was that he had already made studies on hyper physics, so he could just apply them to beyblade as well as change and upgrade them. And those theories branched off into different strategies like making Hybrid have a perfect spin for the shield.
So your saying it was his bey that made him skyrocket and surpass Drum and Delta? Because the only thing we saw him really apply hyper physics to was creating Genesis.
No, you missed the point.
1. There is proof hes done it. In the episode where Drum meets Gwyn its showed that he had been developing theories and stuff for a while.
2.No it wasnt hyper physics. Hyperphysics made his current theories, those branched off to create strategies to help him be strong. He also kept growing his resonance over time.
(Jul. 30, 2020 3:04 AM)snoc Wrote: [ -> ] (Jul. 30, 2020 2:47 AM)Admiral W Wrote: [ -> ]If there's no supporting evidence, then what we see on screen doesn't make sense. All we saw was him skyrocket in power with no credible basis as to why. Without that basis that we can clearly see, then it's nonsensical.
I guess I'll just explain it all from the start
He already made theories on hyper physics, he just put that into beyblade. Him being able to have a head start and making stuff is already a good improvement. Then he sees more beys and develops the actual tip. While making this tip he thinks of theories that branch of into strategies. After this makes his bey and after learning how to launch he battles a lot to get to connect with Genesis. doing so is another large improvement in power (and a reasonable one). Just a reminder Genesis itself without strategies and resonance is already very powerful. Anyways After crushing Drum he goes to hell and makes one of the theories that branched off a reality: the mugen lock system. Over time during the final battle he also makes stuff like the infinite sign shield as a result of making Hybrid have a perfect rotation. He gets to train at hell a lil then goes into the final battle. Over time he analyses from the sidelines. Having this current knowledge is a big jump as he'll be able to make theories to counter them at their current power level now, and after this there's no coming back to get stronger. Also a reasonable jump. then he also brings out his full power which we had never currently seen, That was reasonable cause we didn't know it, so his full power being well-powerful isn't a surprise.
(Jul. 30, 2020 2:47 AM)Admiral W Wrote: [ -> ]If there's no supporting evidence, then what we see on screen doesn't make sense. All we saw was him skyrocket in power with no credible basis as to why. Without that basis that we can clearly see, then it's nonsensical.
But we do have to see it if the power creep is to be justified. If not, then we're left to assume because there's no proof that he did it. Even if they just stated it, then that would make sense, but they don't even state he came up with strategies before hand.
So your saying it was his bey that made him skyrocket and surpass Drum and Delta? Because the only thing we saw him really apply hyper physics to was creating Genesis.
No, you missed the point.
1. There is proof hes done it. In the episode where Drum meets Gwyn its showed that he had been developing theories and stuff for a while.
2.No it wasnt hyper physics. Hyperphysics made his current theories, those branched off to create strategies to help him be strong. He also kept growing his resonance over time.
He had been developing theories on how to create Genesis. Those theories are not battle strategies. When he met Drum he was working on his power core theory. You said those theories branched off into strategies, where's the proof of that? If it wasn't seen or stated, then it's a theory not proof. So where's the proof that he developed strategies that allowed him to surpass Drum and Delta?
Random:Cuza should be in S-rank right where Gwyn rank is (8th) cause he proven stronger then Kurtz,Silas,Xander,and Rantaro
(Jul. 30, 2020 12:51 PM)SunBlader98 Wrote: [ -> ]Random:Cuza should be in S-rank right where Gwyn rank is (8th) cause she proven stronger then Kurtz,Silas,Xander,and Rantaro
First, Cuza is a he.
Second, he's only beaten Kurtz from that list I believe. Never had a serious 1v1 with the others you named that had a clear winner.
Third, some people got stronger during the time skip and others not so much. Cuza just didn't get strong enough to be a legend. I like Cuza, but they just didn't make him a legend.
(Jul. 30, 2020 12:56 PM)Valtryek Aoi Wrote: [ -> ] (Jul. 30, 2020 12:51 PM)SunBlader98 Wrote: [ -> ]Random:Cuza should be in S-rank right where Gwyn rank is (8th) cause she proven stronger then Kurtz,Silas,Xander,and Rantaro
First, Cuza is a he.
Second, he's only beaten Kurtz from that list I believe. Never had a serious 1v1 with the others you named that had a clear winner.
Third, some people got stronger during the time skip and others not so much. Cuza just didn't get strong enough to be a legend. I like Cuza, but they just didn't make him a legend.
So Atleast A-Rank and read the Big-5 Article he is stronger
(Jul. 30, 2020 3:11 AM)Admiral W Wrote: [ -> ] (Jul. 30, 2020 3:04 AM)snoc Wrote: [ -> ]I guess I'll just explain it all from the start
He already made theories on hyper physics, he just put that into beyblade. Him being able to have a head start and making stuff is already a good improvement. Then he sees more beys and develops the actual tip. While making this tip he thinks of theories that branch of into strategies. After this makes his bey and after learning how to launch he battles a lot to get to connect with Genesis. doing so is another large improvement in power (and a reasonable one). Just a reminder Genesis itself without strategies and resonance is already very powerful. Anyways After crushing Drum he goes to hell and makes one of the theories that branched off a reality: the mugen lock system. Over time during the final battle he also makes stuff like the infinite sign shield as a result of making Hybrid have a perfect rotation. He gets to train at hell a lil then goes into the final battle. Over time he analyses from the sidelines. Having this current knowledge is a big jump as he'll be able to make theories to counter them at their current power level now, and after this there's no coming back to get stronger. Also a reasonable jump. then he also brings out his full power which we had never currently seen, That was reasonable cause we didn't know it, so his full power being well-powerful isn't a surprise.
No, you missed the point.
1. There is proof hes done it. In the episode where Drum meets Gwyn its showed that he had been developing theories and stuff for a while.
2.No it wasnt hyper physics. Hyperphysics made his current theories, those branched off to create strategies to help him be strong. He also kept growing his resonance over time.
He had been developing theories on how to create Genesis. Those theories are not battle strategies. When he met Drum he was working on his power core theory. You said those theories branched off into strategies, where's the proof of that? If it wasn't seen or stated, then it's a theory not proof. So where's the proof that he developed strategies that allowed him to surpass Drum and Delta?
Lets take the shield for example. The shield is the result of hybrid having a perfect spin, which comes from the powercore theory. Its not a theory, its just common sense. And....do I need proof for the 2nd thing? Its shown that he uses various strategies and techniques to quickly surpass Drum and Delta, not to mention his very strong resonance.
(Jul. 30, 2020 3:11 AM)Admiral W Wrote: [ -> ] (Jul. 30, 2020 3:04 AM)snoc Wrote: [ -> ]I guess I'll just explain it all from the start
He already made theories on hyper physics, he just put that into beyblade. Him being able to have a head start and making stuff is already a good improvement. Then he sees more beys and develops the actual tip. While making this tip he thinks of theories that branch of into strategies. After this makes his bey and after learning how to launch he battles a lot to get to connect with Genesis. doing so is another large improvement in power (and a reasonable one). Just a reminder Genesis itself without strategies and resonance is already very powerful. Anyways After crushing Drum he goes to hell and makes one of the theories that branched off a reality: the mugen lock system. Over time during the final battle he also makes stuff like the infinite sign shield as a result of making Hybrid have a perfect rotation. He gets to train at hell a lil then goes into the final battle. Over time he analyses from the sidelines. Having this current knowledge is a big jump as he'll be able to make theories to counter them at their current power level now, and after this there's no coming back to get stronger. Also a reasonable jump. then he also brings out his full power which we had never currently seen, That was reasonable cause we didn't know it, so his full power being well-powerful isn't a surprise.
No, you missed the point.
1. There is proof hes done it. In the episode where Drum meets Gwyn its showed that he had been developing theories and stuff for a while.
2.No it wasnt hyper physics. Hyperphysics made his current theories, those branched off to create strategies to help him be strong. He also kept growing his resonance over time.
He had been developing theories on how to create Genesis. Those theories are not battle strategies. When he met Drum he was working on his power core theory. You said those theories branched off into strategies, where's the proof of that? If it wasn't seen or stated, then it's a theory not proof. So where's the proof that he developed strategies that allowed him to surpass Drum and Delta?
And they don't have to show everything, lots of its just implied or thing your supposed to know. Like how Gwyn surpassed Drum and Delta,its very obviously all the strategies and techniques he uses, combined with his resonance. And him making strategies obviously doesn't need to be shown, but you still know he made the strategies since its implied. He didn't just make that shield by chance, it was just a strategy that took a while to perfect. And it also happens to be developed from the power core theory.
(Jul. 30, 2020 1:35 PM)snoc Wrote: [ -> ] (Jul. 30, 2020 3:11 AM)Admiral W Wrote: [ -> ]He had been developing theories on how to create Genesis. Those theories are not battle strategies. When he met Drum he was working on his power core theory. You said those theories branched off into strategies, where's the proof of that? If it wasn't seen or stated, then it's a theory not proof. So where's the proof that he developed strategies that allowed him to surpass Drum and Delta?
Lets take the shield for example. The shield is the result of hybrid having a perfect spin, which comes from the powercore theory. Its not a theory, its just common sense. And....do I need proof for the 2nd thing? Its shown that he uses various strategies and techniques to quickly surpass Drum and Delta, not to mention his very strong resonance.
(Jul. 30, 2020 3:11 AM)Admiral W Wrote: [ -> ]He had been developing theories on how to create Genesis. Those theories are not battle strategies. When he met Drum he was working on his power core theory. You said those theories branched off into strategies, where's the proof of that? If it wasn't seen or stated, then it's a theory not proof. So where's the proof that he developed strategies that allowed him to surpass Drum and Delta?
And they don't have to show everything, lots of its just implied or thing your supposed to know. Like how Gwyn surpassed Drum and Delta,its very obviously all the strategies and techniques he uses, combined with his resonance. And him making strategies obviously doesn't need to be shown, but you still know he made the strategies since its implied. He didn't just make that shield by chance, it was just a strategy that took a while to perfect. And it also happens to be developed from the power core theory.
Unless I see the receipts, I don't subscribe to that. All we saw was him skyrocket in power with no reasonable explanation. Unless you have proof, then everything you've stated is a theory. By the time he left victories he had already surpassed Drum with no explanation as to why. That whole power creep was unreasonable and ridiculous. He was out of nowhere already stronger than a Blader who had a strong resonance and blading experience to back that up. Doesn't make any sense.
(Jul. 30, 2020 2:40 PM)Admiral W Wrote: [ -> ] (Jul. 30, 2020 1:35 PM)snoc Wrote: [ -> ]Lets take the shield for example. The shield is the result of hybrid having a perfect spin, which comes from the powercore theory. Its not a theory, its just common sense. And....do I need proof for the 2nd thing? Its shown that he uses various strategies and techniques to quickly surpass Drum and Delta, not to mention his very strong resonance.
And they don't have to show everything, lots of its just implied or thing your supposed to know. Like how Gwyn surpassed Drum and Delta,its very obviously all the strategies and techniques he uses, combined with his resonance. And him making strategies obviously doesn't need to be shown, but you still know he made the strategies since its implied. He didn't just make that shield by chance, it was just a strategy that took a while to perfect. And it also happens to be developed from the power core theory.
Unless I see the receipts, I don't subscribe to that. All we saw was him skyrocket in power with no reasonable explanation. Unless you have proof, then everything you've stated is a theory. By the time he left victories he had already surpassed Drum with no explanation as to why. That whole power creep was unreasonable and ridiculous. He was out of nowhere already stronger than a Blader who had a strong resonance and blading experience to back that up. Doesn't make any sense.
I keep proving to you over and over yet you keep denying it like I'm not proving my points. Lets just agree to disagree.
New argument: Beyblade Burst GT has the most plot-holes, and confusing logic.