(Dec. 27, 2020 6:48 PM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 27, 2020 6:39 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ]I sure love my text walls huh.
Obviously we see that Satomb couldn't beta Free in a clash and was left with less stamina. he needs to get stronger and get more stamina, thats 2/3's of the equation which is alot.
I also don't see how that plot armor. Stamina bey has more stamina than non stamina bey. Thats just your bias talking or sumthin.
The thing is I don't see your point with the Aiger battle. Both times mid battle he realizes that the opponents are a force to be reckoned with and fights seriously. You saying he didn't take Hikaru and Hyuga seriously? Thats not the case. Also the handspin is the exact same as just launching your bey lightly, same situation for both battles.
Well yeah, he's being cocky in the moment cause he's happy he won. If he wasn't happy and was what you think of him as as stereotypical emo I don't care about anything, he wouldn't care about saying anything after. I also said already that Silas isn't mad at Free for saying that, he had an even sadder expression in his match with Dante. He's mad because he was training for a long time and didn't win, simple as that.
He didn’t take Hyuga and Hikaru seriously. He only took them seriously when they united their power as one which reminded him of Lane. Later after that he didn’t even want to bother with Hyuga until after Rantaro convinced him. Also it isn’t just my bias taking, defense types have outspun stamina types before in burst and as I said, it’s not exactly a long way to go when you lose by a single second after taking attacks from both bladers. It was extremely close, like, really close so saying “you have a long way to go” isn’t exactly true. With a fair amount of training he can get better. Free definitely had plot armour during that battle because he was teamed up with Valt who was a finalist in the tournament therefore meaning that he had plot armour. Additionally in the battle where he was teamed with Dante he was definitely upset about the loss but didn’t growl nearly as aggressively as he did after Free’s remark. Also your second quote pretty much confirms that you knew he was being cocky so that discussion is pretty much over then.
He did take Hikaru and Hyuga seriously when their power was comparable to Lain. Thats just what happened.
Also Stamina types specialize is stamina. Defense types dont. Is it that hard to understand that Stamina types which are made to spin longer can spin longer than non stamina types?
Also teamig up with Valt doesn't mean you have plot armor. Valt and Free are simply and obviously better.
Also just because he didn't growl doesn't mean he's not mad. Thats monkey logic. Ooga booga he didn't scweem so he isnt angy oooga booga. He clearly had a face of absolute despair.
Also might second point literally proves Free was having fun, but you gotta pick out the parts that make you look better right.
(Dec. 27, 2020 6:52 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 27, 2020 6:48 PM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ]He didn’t take Hyuga and Hikaru seriously. He only took them seriously when they united their power as one which reminded him of Lane. Later after that he didn’t even want to bother with Hyuga until after Rantaro convinced him. Also it isn’t just my bias taking, defense types have outspun stamina types before in burst and as I said, it’s not exactly a long way to go when you lose by a single second after taking attacks from both bladers. It was extremely close, like, really close so saying “you have a long way to go” isn’t exactly true. With a fair amount of training he can get better. Free definitely had plot armour during that battle because he was teamed up with Valt who was a finalist in the tournament therefore meaning that he had plot armour. Additionally in the battle where he was teamed with Dante he was definitely upset about the loss but didn’t growl nearly as aggressively as he did after Free’s remark. Also your second quote pretty much confirms that you knew he was being cocky so that discussion is pretty much over then.
He did take Hikaru and Hyuga seriously when their power was comparable to Lain. Thats just what happened.
Also Stamina types specialize is stamina. Defense types dont. Is it that hard to understand that Stamina types which are made to spin longer can spin longer than non stamina types?
Also teamig up with Valt doesn't mean you have plot armor. Valt and Free are simply and obviously better.
Also just because he didn't growl doesn't mean he's not mad. Thats monkey logic. Ooga booga he didn't scweem so he isnt angy oooga booga. He clearly had a face of absolute despair.
Also might second point literally proves Free was having fun, but you gotta pick out the parts that make you look better right.
Hikaru and Hyuga combining their power is a whole different concept that is different taking a single blader seriously.
I understand that stamina types are meant to spin longer but it doesn’t mean that defense types haven’t outspun stamina types before and can’t do so under the right conditions. Joshua outspun Fafnir in s2 and wearing an opponent down always works
Valt definitely had plot armour. That’s the reason why he made it to the finals without losing once. He’s part of the main cast and was meant to be a finalist so that he could challenge Lane.
Sure, just because he doesn’t growl doesn’t mean he isn’t mad but that’s quite literally the point of expression. If they didn’t want to portray different levels of anger then the writers would never have him growl or wince in the first place LOL.
I was trying to prove that Free was being cocky and you admitted to it so I guess I don’t have much to say at that point.
You’re starting to sound a little angry. Relax it’s just a debate 😅
(Dec. 27, 2020 7:04 PM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 27, 2020 6:52 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ]He did take Hikaru and Hyuga seriously when their power was comparable to Lain. Thats just what happened.
Also Stamina types specialize is stamina. Defense types dont. Is it that hard to understand that Stamina types which are made to spin longer can spin longer than non stamina types?
Also teamig up with Valt doesn't mean you have plot armor. Valt and Free are simply and obviously better.
Also just because he didn't growl doesn't mean he's not mad. Thats monkey logic. Ooga booga he didn't scweem so he isnt angy oooga booga. He clearly had a face of absolute despair.
Also might second point literally proves Free was having fun, but you gotta pick out the parts that make you look better right.
Hikaru and Hyuga combining their power is a whole different concept that is different taking a single blader seriously.
I understand that stamina types are meant to spin longer but it doesn’t mean that defense types haven’t outspun stamina types before and can’t do so under the right conditions. Joshua outspun Fafnir in s2 and wearing an opponent down always works
Valt definitely had plot armour. That’s the reason why he made it to the finals without losing once. He’s part of the main cast and was meant to be a finalist so that he could challenge Lane.
Sure, just because he doesn’t growl doesn’t mean he isn’t mad but that’s quite literally the point of expression. If they didn’t want to portray different levels of anger then the writers would never have him growl or wince in the first place LOL.
I was trying to prove that Free was being cocky and you admitted to it so I guess I don’t have much to say at that point.
You’re starting to sound a little angry. Relax it’s just a debate 😅
Taking a single blader seriously and multiple bladers seriously is still taking your opponent seriously, don't know what you're tryna prove.
Yes but in this case Stamina prevails. During every clash Fafnir absorbs spin anyways, so its gonna have more in the end of most battles.
The reason he made it to the finals is because he's strong????/ He' the Legend Of Legends.
Well duh he's angry, but I've already stated he's not angry at Free because of the remark.
But I literally said Free was having fun and got a little cocky because he was basking in his glory, which happens when you're happy abbot winning.
You're just nitpicking points from my argument to make yours look better.
Like you said it's really upto interpretation. Some might say he's being cocky some might say he's not, if you like/dislike someone it can be hard to change their mind.
UHHHHHHH I DUNNO WHEN PLOT ARMOR’S IN THE BATTLE OR WHEN ITS NOT!!?!?!? I CAN’T TELL WHEN THE BATTLE WAS WON BY SKILL OR PLOT ARMOR ANYMOREEEEEEEE!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
(Dec. 27, 2020 7:22 PM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 27, 2020 7:20 PM)Free... Hoya Wrote: [ -> ]Like you said it's really upto interpretation. Some might say he's being cocky some might say he's not, if you like/dislike someone it can be hard to change their mind.
This right here, I suggest we just drop the debate because it’s clear that we aren’t going to agree.
You completely misunderstood my point though, I said he was being cocky because he was happy he won, thats the point, but you just ignored the first part but whatever.
(Dec. 27, 2020 7:23 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 27, 2020 7:22 PM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ]This right here, I suggest we just drop the debate because it’s clear that we aren’t going to agree.
You completely misunderstood my point though, I said he was being cocky because he was happy he won, thats the point, but you just ignored the first part but whatever.
Oh now that I think about it, when I win something I'll be cocky, well not all the time.
(Dec. 27, 2020 7:23 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 27, 2020 7:22 PM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ]This right here, I suggest we just drop the debate because it’s clear that we aren’t going to agree.
You completely misunderstood my point though, I said he was being cocky because he was happy he won, thats the point, but you just ignored the first part but whatever.
And I don’t think that’s why he was cocky lol. This is why I think we should just drop it
There's no point continuing because there'll just be points after points.
NOT GOING TO LIE ECLIPSE FORCE, UR SOUNDING A BIT TOXIC TO ME BUT I DUNNO ITS “MY INTERPRETATION”
Just kidding
(Dec. 27, 2020 7:26 PM)TrustBEE Wrote: [ -> ]NOT GOING TO LIE ECLIPSE FORCE, UR SOUNDING A BIT TOXIC TO ME BUT I DUNNO ITS “MY INTERPRETATION”
Oof, it's natural when it comes to your faves.
Lol does everybody in this thread die the moment I come in?!
(Dec. 27, 2020 7:26 PM)Free... Hoya Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 27, 2020 7:26 PM)TrustBEE Wrote: [ -> ]NOT GOING TO LIE ECLIPSE FORCE, UR SOUNDING A BIT TOXIC TO ME BUT I DUNNO ITS “MY INTERPRETATION”
Oof, it's natural when it comes to your faves.
I think everyone is nice on wbo unless the 10 ppl here who are toxic/rude
(Dec. 27, 2020 7:22 PM)TrustBEE Wrote: [ -> ]UHHHHHHH I DUNNO WHEN PLOT ARMOR’S IN THE BATTLE OR WHEN ITS NOT!!?!?!? I CAN’T TELL WHEN THE BATTLE WAS WON BY SKILL OR PLOT ARMOR ANYMOREEEEEEEE!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
The anime intends it to be skill, which is why I accept most of it, but from a real world standing, it's up to interpretation. There are a few general things agreed on in that aspect, but the level of 'plot armor' is greatly debated. I just hate to constant use of the phrase for the most unnecessary things.
I just want to say that there’s a difference between plot armor and being good. Examples of plot armor include something like Aiga throwing Lucifer into the speed cradle or Free having to quit against Valt. Examples of being good include dark z Achilles breaking Winning Valkyrie or Valt beating Spriggan Requiem (not Shu).
(Dec. 27, 2020 8:38 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: [ -> ]I just want to say that there’s a difference between plot armor and being good. Examples of plot armor include something like Aiga throwing Lucifer into the speed cradle or Free having to quit against Valt. Examples of being good include dark z Achilles breaking Winning Valkyrie or Valt beating Spriggan Requiem (not Shu).
Thanks for the laughs man.
wait you're not serious right.
(Dec. 27, 2020 8:38 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: [ -> ]I just want to say that there’s a difference between plot armor and being good. Examples of plot armor include something like Aiga throwing Lucifer into the speed cradle or Free having to quit against Valt. Examples of being good include dark z Achilles breaking Winning Valkyrie or Valt beating Spriggan Requiem (not Shu).
Now lets get to the facts.
Achilles with no armor has less to weigh it down, making it faster. This way it unleashes a barrage of fast attacks which wore down the barrier. The barrier can be worn down by a variety of ways, doing it this way is completely valid. Obviously it has no defense with no barrier, so it smacked Lucius away. There is no plot armor involved, idk what u on about.
Free having to quit against Valt wasn't plot armor. They were both at their breaking points and Valt broke first. This meaning that Valt has just barely surpassed Free, which is true. Valt did barely get stronger than Free, and over time a clear gap was finally made separate the 2 in power level.
Dark Z Achilles breaking Winning Valtryek is not an example of being good at all. All that happened is that Aiger roared and he got a ton of his dark resonance which is just Aiger's plot armor, and for some reason somehow broke Valtryek. That's like saying "I believe in my friends" and just powering up to beat the main villain with no logical reasoning.
(Dec. 27, 2020 8:42 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 27, 2020 8:38 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: [ -> ]I just want to say that there’s a difference between plot armor and being good. Examples of plot armor include something like Aiga throwing Lucifer into the speed cradle or Free having to quit against Valt. Examples of being good include dark z Achilles breaking Winning Valkyrie or Valt beating Spriggan Requiem (not Shu).
Thanks for the laughs man.
wait you're not serious right.
(Dec. 27, 2020 8:38 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: [ -> ]I just want to say that there’s a difference between plot armor and being good. Examples of plot armor include something like Aiga throwing Lucifer into the speed cradle or Free having to quit against Valt. Examples of being good include dark z Achilles breaking Winning Valkyrie or Valt beating Spriggan Requiem (not Shu).
Now lets get to the facts.
Achilles with no armor has less to weigh it down, making it faster. This way it unleashes a barrage of fast attacks which wore down the barrier. The barrier can be worn down by a variety of ways, doing it this way is completely valid. Obviously it has no defense with no barrier, so it smacked Lucius away. There is no plot armor involved, idk what u on about.
Free having to quit against Valt wasn't plot armor. They were both at their breaking points and Valt broke first. This meaning that Valt has just barely surpassed Valt, which is true. Valt did barely get stronger than Free, and over time a clear gap was finally made separate the 2 in power level.
Dark Z Achilles breaking Winning Valtryek is not an example of being good at all. All that happened is that Aiger roared and he got a ton of his dark resonance which is just Aiger's plot armor, and for some reason somehow broke Valtryek. That's like saying "I believe in my friends" and just powering up to beat the main villain with no logical reasoning.
WHAT!! LOL?! VALT BROKE FIRST AND VALT BARELY SURPASSED VALT?!!?!?
Yayyyyyy aiga has skilllllsss no plot armorrrrr! Against his battle with lane I mean!
The dark z achilles part though..........yeh..........THAT WAS PLOT POWER LOL?!?!!!!!?
(Dec. 27, 2020 9:02 PM)TrustBEE Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 27, 2020 8:42 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ]Thanks for the laughs man.
wait you're not serious right.
Now lets get to the facts.
Achilles with no armor has less to weigh it down, making it faster. This way it unleashes a barrage of fast attacks which wore down the barrier. The barrier can be worn down by a variety of ways, doing it this way is completely valid. Obviously it has no defense with no barrier, so it smacked Lucius away. There is no plot armor involved, idk what u on about.
Free having to quit against Valt wasn't plot armor. They were both at their breaking points and Valt broke first. This meaning that Valt has just barely surpassed Valt, which is true. Valt did barely get stronger than Free, and over time a clear gap was finally made separate the 2 in power level.
Dark Z Achilles breaking Winning Valtryek is not an example of being good at all. All that happened is that Aiger roared and he got a ton of his dark resonance which is just Aiger's plot armor, and for some reason somehow broke Valtryek. That's like saying "I believe in my friends" and just powering up to beat the main villain with no logical reasoning.
WHAT!! LOL?! VALT BROKE FIRST AND VALT BARELY SURPASSED VALT?!!?!?
Yayyyyyy aiga has skilllllsss no plot armorrrrr! Against his battle with lane I mean!
The dark z achilles part though..........yeh..........THAT WAS PLOT POWER LOL?!?!!!!!?
lol sorry. The Dark Achilles part was also clearly plot armor. Aiger got an un explainable boost of power with no logical explanation, nuff said.
(Dec. 27, 2020 8:42 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 27, 2020 8:38 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: [ -> ]I just want to say that there’s a difference between plot armor and being good. Examples of plot armor include something like Aiga throwing Lucifer into the speed cradle or Free having to quit against Valt. Examples of being good include dark z Achilles breaking Winning Valkyrie or Valt beating Spriggan Requiem (not Shu).
Thanks for the laughs man.
wait you're not serious right.
(Dec. 27, 2020 8:38 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: [ -> ]I just want to say that there’s a difference between plot armor and being good. Examples of plot armor include something like Aiga throwing Lucifer into the speed cradle or Free having to quit against Valt. Examples of being good include dark z Achilles breaking Winning Valkyrie or Valt beating Spriggan Requiem (not Shu).
Now lets get to the facts.
Achilles with no armor has less to weigh it down, making it faster. This way it unleashes a barrage of fast attacks which wore down the barrier. The barrier can be worn down by a variety of ways, doing it this way is completely valid. Obviously it has no defense with no barrier, so it smacked Lucius away. There is no plot armor involved, idk what u on about.
Free having to quit against Valt wasn't plot armor. They were both at their breaking points and Free broke first. This meaning that Valt has just barely surpassed Valt, which is true. Valt did barely get stronger than Free, and over time a clear gap was finally made separate the 2 in power level.
Dark Z Achilles breaking Winning Valtryek is not an example of being good at all. All that happened is that Aiger roared and he got a ton of his dark resonance which is just Aiger's plot armor, and for some reason somehow broke Valtryek. That's like saying "I believe in my friends" and just powering up to beat the main villain with no logical reasoning.
1. Out of all places it just conveniently managed to make it on the speed rails sounds like a lot of plot armor to me not to mention the speed cradles take up only a fraction of the space of the stadium
2. Not true, Valt should’ve lost besides how would launching once more or even twice more have harmed him realistically
3. That arguement fails simply because we haven’t seen how strong dark resonance is or the full potential of dark resonance
(Dec. 27, 2020 8:38 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: [ -> ]I just want to say that there’s a difference between plot armor and being good. Examples of plot armor include something like Aiga throwing Lucifer into the speed cradle or Free having to quit against Valt. Examples of being good include dark z Achilles breaking Winning Valkyrie or Valt beating Spriggan Requiem (not Shu).
I’m still confused and mad about aiga vs lane because in real life the crater should only speed your bey up not it’s centrifugal force so that made no sense
(Dec. 27, 2020 9:04 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 27, 2020 9:02 PM)TrustBEE Wrote: [ -> ]WHAT!! LOL?! VALT BROKE FIRST AND VALT BARELY SURPASSED VALT?!!?!?
Yayyyyyy aiga has skilllllsss no plot armorrrrr! Against his battle with lane I mean!
The dark z achilles part though..........yeh..........THAT WAS PLOT POWER LOL?!?!!!!!?
lol sorry. The Dark Achilles part was also clearly plot armor. Aiger got an un explainable boost of power with no logical explanation, nuff said.
Oh yea I meant to say it like I already knew that was power given to aiga by plot armor because he got some much strength, although it’s really cool to me
(Dec. 27, 2020 9:05 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 27, 2020 8:42 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ]Thanks for the laughs man.
wait you're not serious right.
Now lets get to the facts.
Achilles with no armor has less to weigh it down, making it faster. This way it unleashes a barrage of fast attacks which wore down the barrier. The barrier can be worn down by a variety of ways, doing it this way is completely valid. Obviously it has no defense with no barrier, so it smacked Lucius away. There is no plot armor involved, idk what u on about.
Free having to quit against Valt wasn't plot armor. They were both at their breaking points and Free broke first. This meaning that Valt has just barely surpassed Valt, which is true. Valt did barely get stronger than Free, and over time a clear gap was finally made separate the 2 in power level.
Dark Z Achilles breaking Winning Valtryek is not an example of being good at all. All that happened is that Aiger roared and he got a ton of his dark resonance which is just Aiger's plot armor, and for some reason somehow broke Valtryek. That's like saying "I believe in my friends" and just powering up to beat the main villain with no logical reasoning.
1. Out of all places it just conveniently managed to make it on the speed rails sounds like a lot of plot armor to me not to mention the speed cradles take up only a fraction of the space of the stadium
2. Not true, Valt should’ve lost besides how would launching once more or even twice more have harmed him realistically
3. That arguement fails simply because we haven’t seen how strong dark resonance is or the full potential of dark resonance
1. Getting hit to the speed cradles is a common occurrence.
2. He had already strained his body passed its limits. Launching more would pull more muscles.
3. Dark resonance in itself it just plot armor. It can go to limitless strengths if the plot wants it, making dark resonance bad. Aiger just gaining a random booster of dark resonance is an example of that plot armor.
(Dec. 27, 2020 9:05 PM)TrustBEE Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 27, 2020 8:38 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: [ -> ]I just want to say that there’s a difference between plot armor and being good. Examples of plot armor include something like Aiga throwing Lucifer into the speed cradle or Free having to quit against Valt. Examples of being good include dark z Achilles breaking Winning Valkyrie or Valt beating Spriggan Requiem (not Shu).
I’m still confused and mad about aiga vs lane because in real life the crater should only speed your bey up not it’s centrifugal force so that made no sense
(Dec. 27, 2020 9:04 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ]lol sorry. The Dark Achilles part was also clearly plot armor. Aiger got an un explainable boost of power with no logical explanation, nuff said.
Oh yea I meant to say it like I already knew that was power given to aiga by plot armor because he got some much strength, although it’s really cool to me
When your bey speeds up that can activate centrifugal force, thats just how it works.
(Dec. 27, 2020 9:05 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 27, 2020 8:42 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ]Thanks for the laughs man.
wait you're not serious right.
Now lets get to the facts.
Achilles with no armor has less to weigh it down, making it faster. This way it unleashes a barrage of fast attacks which wore down the barrier. The barrier can be worn down by a variety of ways, doing it this way is completely valid. Obviously it has no defense with no barrier, so it smacked Lucius away. There is no plot armor involved, idk what u on about.
Free having to quit against Valt wasn't plot armor. They were both at their breaking points and Free broke first. This meaning that Valt has just barely surpassed Valt, which is true. Valt did barely get stronger than Free, and over time a clear gap was finally made separate the 2 in power level.
Dark Z Achilles breaking Winning Valtryek is not an example of being good at all. All that happened is that Aiger roared and he got a ton of his dark resonance which is just Aiger's plot armor, and for some reason somehow broke Valtryek. That's like saying "I believe in my friends" and just powering up to beat the main villain with no logical reasoning.
1. Out of all places it just conveniently managed to make it on the speed rails sounds like a lot of plot armor to me not to mention the speed cradles take up only a fraction of the space of the stadium
2. Not true, Valt should’ve lost besides how would launching once more or even twice more have harmed him realistically
3. That arguement fails simply because we haven’t seen how strong dark resonance is or the full potential of dark resonance
(Dec. 27, 2020 9:07 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 27, 2020 9:05 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: [ -> ]1. Out of all places it just conveniently managed to make it on the speed rails sounds like a lot of plot armor to me not to mention the speed cradles take up only a fraction of the space of the stadium
2. Not true, Valt should’ve lost besides how would launching once more or even twice more have harmed him realistically
3. That arguement fails simply because we haven’t seen how strong dark resonance is or the full potential of dark resonance
1. Getting hit to the speed cradles is a common occurrence.
2. He had already strained his body passed its limits. Launching more would pull more muscles.
3. Dark resonance in itself it just plot armor. It can go to limitless strengths if the plot wants it, making dark resonance bad. Aiger just gaining a random booster of dark resonance is an example of that plot armor.
(Dec. 27, 2020 9:05 PM)TrustBEE Wrote: [ -> ]I’m still confused and mad about aiga vs lane because in real life the crater should only speed your bey up not it’s centrifugal force so that made no sense
Oh yea I meant to say it like I already knew that was power given to aiga by plot armor because he got some much strength, although it’s really cool to me
When your bey speeds up that can activate centrifugal force, thats just how it works.
No it doesn’t, not in reality which the anime should follow when it comes to the stadium’s physics- NO UMM 🤔 I FORGOT WHAT IT WAS CALLED BUT YEAH!