(Oct. 17, 2020 5:43 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: [ -> ] (Oct. 17, 2020 5:39 PM)Freedelahoya4 Wrote: [ -> ]No, L-Drago can't defeat Death Quetzalcoatl in real life.
Ok and? The anime isn’t based off of real life
That's another discussion, but some people believe that.
(Oct. 17, 2020 5:46 PM)Freedelahoya4 Wrote: [ -> ] (Oct. 17, 2020 5:43 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: [ -> ]Ok and? The anime isn’t based off of real life
That's another discussion, but some people believe that.
Those people do be kind of dreaming for believing that.
(Oct. 15, 2020 12:34 AM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ][quote='XSabxManiacX' pid='1636116' dateline='1602716110']
What do you guys think of the “belief” that reverse rotation = all powerful and/or associates with evil? I noticed awhile ago that this type of thing seems to be common in the fandom (quotations because lack of a better word)
I don’t necessarily think it applies to every left spin blader, but I know what particular bladers it applies to and what it stemmed from. It started with Ryuga (obviously) and the idea of L drago being left spin was to emphasize its opposition to Pegasus while the “all powerful” part can be explained by the fact that Ryuga was an ultimate rival sorta character. In other words, an overpowered left spin blader is usually a blader with a solely left spinning bey (Shu is the only exception) who is a primary rival to the protagonist at some point who also happens to be the opposite of the protagonist in persona and beliefs. The bey of said user is left spin to represent how it is the opposite of the protagonist bey and there are also other design features that are meant to oppose or relate to the bey of the protagonist. You can use the personality differences and similarities between beys to find out which bladers this rule applies to for example; Ryuga is very serious while Gingka is outgoing, both Pegasus and L-Drago spin opposite ways and are three sided, Pegasus has three wings while L drago has 3 dragon heads, their tips, spin tracks and drivers usually always have opposing sides or gimmicks.” Pegasus is usually portrayed as benevolent and heaven-like while Drago is a neutral/aggressive dragon, Valt is very social, nice and friendly while Lui is distant, cold and serious, Longinus and Valkyrie both utilize a large variety of different wings in order to be capable of all different types of attack and they spin in opposite directions as well, their tips were once opposites (volcanic and Jolt), they have had opposing bladed disks (Nine and Boost as well as 12 and 13), they also have a knight vs Dragon dynamic, Free and Valt are opposites, Free only bladed to win at one point and is quiet while Valt is loud and blades to have fun, Fafnir and Valkyrie spin opposite ways and are both three sided with Valkyrie having wings while Fafnir has dragon heads as well as multiple other similar contact points, some Fafnirs are even just left spin stamina Vakyrie’s, both of them usually have drivers that have means of speeding up, Fafnir beys usually sit still and get hit while Valkyrie beys move fast and give hits, Fafnir and Valkyrie also follow the dragon/ knight dynamic, Sakyo is cold, distant and serious while Zyro is the opposite, Dragoon and Ifraid rotate opposing ways and have opposing spin tracks as well, they follow the warrior/dragon dynamic, Shu also counts as an overpowered left spin blader but plays a different role to these 4, nonetheless he still applies to multiple parts of the ruling. If you notice not only are these bladers the opposite spin counterparts to the protagonists and their beys, but they are also all powerful since the protagonist has to overcome them at some point as an “ultimate challenge.” Once they are overcome, the blader is no longer “all powerful” or at least not overpowered per say unless the story requires it. Ryuga may have not been overcome in a way, but by Shogun steel, Gingka has pretty much surpassed him anyways.
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I disagree with the part that Gingka has surpassed Ryuga.
(Oct. 18, 2020 12:28 AM)Ryuga\s Son Wrote: [ -> ] (Oct. 15, 2020 12:34 AM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ] (Oct. 14, 2020 11:55 PM)XSabxManiacX Wrote: [ -> ]What do you guys think of the “belief” that reverse rotation = all powerful and/or associates with evil? I noticed awhile ago that this type of thing seems to be common in the fandom (quotations because lack of a better word)
I don’t necessarily think it applies to every left spin blader, but I know what particular bladers it applies to and what it stemmed from. It started with Ryuga (obviously) and the idea of L drago being left spin was to emphasize its opposition to Pegasus while the “all powerful” part can be explained by the fact that Ryuga was an ultimate rival sorta character. In other words, an overpowered left spin blader is usually a blader with a solely left spinning bey (Shu is the only exception) who is a primary rival to the protagonist at some point who also happens to be the opposite of the protagonist in persona and beliefs. The bey of said user is left spin to represent how it is the opposite of the protagonist bey and there are also other design features that are meant to oppose or relate to the bey of the protagonist. You can use the personality differences and similarities between beys to find out which bladers this rule applies to for example; Ryuga is very serious while Gingka is outgoing, both Pegasus and L-Drago spin opposite ways and are three sided, Pegasus has three wings while L drago has 3 dragon heads, their tips, spin tracks and drivers usually always have opposing sides or gimmicks.” Pegasus is usually portrayed as benevolent and heaven-like while Drago is a neutral/aggressive dragon, Valt is very social, nice and friendly while Lui is distant, cold and serious, Longinus and Valkyrie both utilize a large variety of different wings in order to be capable of all different types of attack and they spin in opposite directions as well, their tips were once opposites (volcanic and Jolt), they have had opposing bladed disks (Nine and Boost as well as 12 and 13), they also have a knight vs Dragon dynamic, Free and Valt are opposites, Free only bladed to win at one point and is quiet while Valt is loud and blades to have fun, Fafnir and Valkyrie spin opposite ways and are both three sided with Valkyrie having wings while Fafnir has dragon heads as well as multiple other similar contact points, some Fafnirs are even just left spin stamina Vakyrie’s, both of them usually have drivers that have means of speeding up, Fafnir beys usually sit still and get hit while Valkyrie beys move fast and give hits, Fafnir and Valkyrie also follow the dragon/ knight dynamic, Sakyo is cold, distant and serious while Zyro is the opposite, Dragoon and Ifraid rotate opposing ways and have opposing spin tracks as well, they follow the warrior/dragon dynamic, Shu also counts as an overpowered left spin blader but plays a different role to these 4, nonetheless he still applies to multiple parts of the ruling. If you notice not only are these bladers the opposite spin counterparts to the protagonists and their beys, but they are also all powerful since the protagonist has to overcome them at some point as an “ultimate challenge.” Once they are overcome, the blader is no longer “all powerful” or at least not overpowered per say unless the story requires it. Ryuga may have not been overcome in a way, but by Shogun steel, Gingka has pretty much surpassed him anyways.
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I disagree with the part that Gingka has surpassed Ryuga.
The creator of metal fight said that by Zero g Gingka was undoubtedly the strongest blader to have existed by that point. It wouldn’t make sense for Ryuga to still be better anyways lol.
(Oct. 18, 2020 1:19 AM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ] (Oct. 18, 2020 12:28 AM)Ryuga\s Son Wrote: [ -> ]
The creator of metal fight said that by Zero g Gingka was undoubtedly the strongest blader to have existed by that point. It wouldn’t make sense for Ryuga to still be better anyways lol.
I would still go for Rago instead of Gingka at Zero-g because saying that he’s the strongest makes him automatically stronger than every blader in exsistance at the same time.
(Oct. 18, 2020 1:22 AM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: [ -> ] (Oct. 18, 2020 1:19 AM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ]The creator of metal fight said that by Zero g Gingka was undoubtedly the strongest blader to have existed by that point. It wouldn’t make sense for Ryuga to still be better anyways lol.
I would still go for Rago instead of Gingka at Zero-g because saying that he’s the strongest makes him automatically stronger than every blader in exsistance at the same time.
Well you are totally right, Rago is definitely the strongest but I think the creator mean’t that Gingka was the strongest out of all normal bladers. Rago doesn’t count since his power isn’t natural but rather genetic and predetermined.
(Oct. 18, 2020 1:23 AM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ] (Oct. 18, 2020 1:22 AM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: [ -> ]I would still go for Rago instead of Gingka at Zero-g because saying that he’s the strongest makes him automatically stronger than every blader in exsistance at the same time.
Well you are totally right, Rago is definitely the strongest but I think the creator mean’t that Gingka was the strongest out of all normal bladers. Rago doesn’t count since his power isn’t natural but rather genetic and predetermined.
I still have to wonder, did Rago have a bey before Nemesis/Proto Nemesis?
(Oct. 18, 2020 1:35 AM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: [ -> ] (Oct. 18, 2020 1:23 AM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ]Well you are totally right, Rago is definitely the strongest but I think the creator mean’t that Gingka was the strongest out of all normal bladers. Rago doesn’t count since his power isn’t natural but rather genetic and predetermined.
I still have to wonder, did Rago have a bey before Nemesis/Proto Nemesis?
He was part of the nemesis bladers so he likely did.
Do you guys truly believe Delta would have been a antagonist
(Oct. 18, 2020 3:29 AM)EarthHelios Wrote: [ -> ]Do you guys truly believe Delta would have been a antagonist
Not really. He would’ve developed dark turbo by Aiga arc if he was.
(Oct. 18, 2020 3:29 AM)EarthHelios Wrote: [ -> ]Do you guys truly believe Delta would have been a antagonist
Technically he was the mid season antagonist.
(Oct. 18, 2020 4:11 AM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ] (Oct. 18, 2020 3:29 AM)EarthHelios Wrote: [ -> ]Do you guys truly believe Delta would have been a antagonist
Technically he was the mid season antagonist.
He wasn’t even an antagonist, just some guy that was relevant.
(Oct. 18, 2020 4:12 AM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: [ -> ] (Oct. 18, 2020 4:11 AM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ]Technically he was the mid season antagonist.
He wasn’t even an antagonist, just some guy that was relevant.
He was the confirmed mid season antagonist since his bey was the July release. He wasn’t a villain but definitely an antagonist.
delta would've ended being like lui even if the didn't introduced Arthur(should've been final villain honestly) Gwyn ( who really wasnt a villain) just powerful blader to try an overcome.
(Oct. 18, 2020 5:01 AM)God Dragruler Wrote: [ -> ]delta would've ended being like lui even if the didn't introduced Arthur(should've been final villain honestly) Gwyn ( who really wasnt a villain) just powerful blader to try an overcome.
Agreed, Arthur was the only good burst villain but
they just threw him out the door.
(Oct. 18, 2020 1:35 PM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ] (Oct. 18, 2020 5:01 AM)God Dragruler Wrote: [ -> ]delta would've ended being like lui even if the didn't introduced Arthur(should've been final villain honestly) Gwyn ( who really wasnt a villain) just powerful blader to try an overcome.
Agreed, Arthur was the only good burst villain but
they just threw him out the door.
He had so much potential. But they wasted it which was sad.
(Oct. 18, 2020 1:19 AM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ] (Oct. 18, 2020 12:28 AM)Ryuga\s Son Wrote: [ -> ]
The creator of metal fight said that by Zero g Gingka was undoubtedly the strongest blader to have existed by that point. It wouldn’t make sense for Ryuga to still be better anyways lol.
Ryuga could have beaten Gingka. He didn't even met Gingka or other bladers except maybe that Sakyo guy. Ryuga was in fact always stronger than Gingka after metal fusion. He became one with his bey completely.
I have one question. The other world that Beywheelz antagonist was about to open, was it the MFB world originally or was it always the Beyraiderz world?
(Oct. 18, 2020 2:30 PM)Admiral W Wrote: [ -> ] (Oct. 18, 2020 1:35 PM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ]Agreed, Arthur was the only good burst villain but
they just threw him out the door.
He had so much potential. But they wasted it which was sad.
yea Arthur was completely wasted out all of the villain he was a true villain like legit malice blader. lui s1 was a blader trying to prove a point , shu's motive isn't evil it's just you if you get in his way well you get what you get he was that anti hero who just beyblade a brutal way and then we got phi who had zero motive he just enjoyed breaking beys and likes to flex dark resonance, gwyn just had issues of with himself. lane is just a hybrid of s1 lui and s2 shu and then we got Arthur they guy came in attack the champ directly honest he has his own beyblade organization and wants to replace the old organization cause it's boring anyone who gets an his way he'll voluntarily destroyed your bey with zero remorse he legit wanted to create conflict between beybladers he wanted to destroyed the wbba that's a legit villain their. if the didn't wasted Arthur he would've been my favorite villain . red eye still my favorite antagonist they concept of a goodie goodie going bad is always a great story , shame that Arthur got sacrificed for Gwyn although he was the better villain nothing against Gwyn his a good character bit didn't need the heel turn at least anime wise, he was introduced to be a baddie in the manga straight way .
(Oct. 18, 2020 5:20 PM)God Dragruler Wrote: [ -> ] (Oct. 18, 2020 2:30 PM)Admiral W Wrote: [ -> ]He had so much potential. But they wasted it which was sad.
yea Arthur was completely wasted out all of the villain he was a true villain like legit malice blader. lui s1 was a blader trying to prove a point , shu's motive isn't evil it's just you if you get in his way well you get what you get he was that anti hero who just beyblade a brutal way and then we got phi who had zero motive he just enjoyed breaking beys and likes to flex dark resonance, gwyn just had issues of with himself. lane is just a hybrid of s1 lui and s2 shu and then we got Arthur they guy came in attack the champ directly honest he has his own beyblade organization and wants to replace the old organization cause it's boring anyone who gets an his way he'll voluntarily destroyed your bey with zero remorse he legit wanted to create conflict between beybladers he wanted to destroyed the wbba that's a legit villain their. if the didn't wasted Arthur he would've been my favorite villain . red eye still my favorite antagonist they concept of a goodie goodie going bad is always a great story , shame that Arthur got sacrificed for Gwyn although he was the better villain nothing against Gwyn his a good character bit didn't need the heel turn at least anime wise, he was introduced to be a baddie in the manga straight way .
That's partly why I think that Arthur's potential was truly wasted. He has a goal much different than the previous antagonist. He wanted to completely replace the current structure of the beyblade system with his own order based on pure power. They basically didn't fulfill the fullness of that idea by throwing Arthur away for Gwyn. Had they kept the focus on Arthur and fleshed it out, I think we would have had a much more exciting final arc for that season.
(Oct. 18, 2020 5:55 PM)Admiral W Wrote: [ -> ] (Oct. 18, 2020 5:20 PM)God Dragruler Wrote: [ -> ]yea Arthur was completely wasted out all of the villain he was a true villain like legit malice blader. lui s1 was a blader trying to prove a point , shu's motive isn't evil it's just you if you get in his way well you get what you get he was that anti hero who just beyblade a brutal way and then we got phi who had zero motive he just enjoyed breaking beys and likes to flex dark resonance, gwyn just had issues of with himself. lane is just a hybrid of s1 lui and s2 shu and then we got Arthur they guy came in attack the champ directly honest he has his own beyblade organization and wants to replace the old organization cause it's boring anyone who gets an his way he'll voluntarily destroyed your bey with zero remorse he legit wanted to create conflict between beybladers he wanted to destroyed the wbba that's a legit villain their. if the didn't wasted Arthur he would've been my favorite villain . red eye still my favorite antagonist they concept of a goodie goodie going bad is always a great story , shame that Arthur got sacrificed for Gwyn although he was the better villain nothing against Gwyn his a good character bit didn't need the heel turn at least anime wise, he was introduced to be a baddie in the manga straight way .
That's partly why I think that Arthur's potential was truly wasted. He has a goal much different than the previous antagonist. He wanted to completely replace the current structure of the beyblade system with his own order based on pure power. They basically didn't fulfill the fullness of that idea by throwing Arthur away for Gwyn. Had they kept the focus on Arthur and fleshed it out, I think we would have had a much more exciting final arc for that season.
He even had one of the coolest beys we’ve ever seen.
(Oct. 18, 2020 2:58 PM)Ryuga\s Son Wrote: [ -> ] (Oct. 18, 2020 1:19 AM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ]The creator of metal fight said that by Zero g Gingka was undoubtedly the strongest blader to have existed by that point. It wouldn’t make sense for Ryuga to still be better anyways lol.
Ryuga could have beaten Gingka. He didn't even met Gingka or other bladers except maybe that Sakyo guy. Ryuga was in fact always stronger than Gingka after metal fusion. He became one with his bey completely.
No offense but I’m pretty sure the word of the creator is final. Zero g Ryuga vs Gingka is definitely Gingka.
(Oct. 18, 2020 2:58 PM)Ryuga's Son Wrote: [ -> ] (Oct. 18, 2020 1:19 AM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ]The creator of metal fight said that by Zero g Gingka was undoubtedly the strongest blader to have existed by that point. It wouldn’t make sense for Ryuga to still be better anyways lol.
Ryuga could have beaten Gingka. He didn't even met Gingka or other bladers except maybe that Sakyo guy. Ryuga was in fact always stronger than Gingka after metal fusion. He became one with his bey completely.
Maybe in fury, but not in Zero-g. Gingka simply has surpassed Ryuga in all ways and he has probably surpassed the 9 star fragments themselves. Ryuga is still third strongest with only Gingka and Rago above him. Ryuga was always displayed as the one that helps Gingka to reach his full potential, but he was also Gingka’s role model in that he was always the one person Gingka wanted to surpass and eventually he did.
(Oct. 18, 2020 6:15 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: [ -> ] (Oct. 18, 2020 2:58 PM)Ryuga\s Son Wrote: [ -> ]Ryuga could have beaten Gingka. He didn't even met Gingka or other bladers except maybe that Sakyo guy. Ryuga was in fact always stronger than Gingka after metal fusion. He became one with his bey completely.
Maybe in fury, but not in Zero-g. Gingka simply has surpassed Ryuga in all ways and he has probably surpassed the 9 star fragments themselves. Ryuga is still third strongest with only Gingka and Rago above him. Ryuga was always displayed as the one that helps Gingka to reach his full potential, but he was also Gingka’s role model in that he was always the one person Gingka wanted to surpass and eventually he did.
Not if Ryuga returned because he would then have Guardian L-Drago or some new type.