(Apr. 15, 2022 9:46 AM)GhostFox Wrote: [ -> ] (Apr. 14, 2022 9:15 PM)Achilles25 Wrote: [ -> ]Sorry man it’s just that a year ago it was so chill on this site and coming back after a yearI haven’t had a welcome back.
Oh no!
so... welcome back!
Thanks man your very kind. Unlike some smart alex I’m not gonna name.
Let's all just relax and be pleasant to each other - both directions. No point having a public spat, we're all just here to talk about the anime and manga.
Personally I'm just really confused by the lil dude on the coro coro cover. I kinda figured BU would just be a toyline only but we still have a "main character" looking guy, which I assume is just for that one bit of media. Actually, the whole thing gave me a flash back to the Spin Up Books from Bakuten.
In a live stream a few weeks ago, Takafumi Adachi (author of MFB Beyblade) said he doesn't believe in strict power scaling, saying that in his mind any character can win against any character, at least once, so he finds arguments about who would win against who a little silly, as he doesn't think of any battle as set in stone.
So, I wanted to ask, does anyone else in the Beyblade community agree with him? Do you agree about Burst, instead of MFB? Or do you think it doesn't work for either? I'm not sure about how I feel, since I suppose I agree with the principal concept, that everyone could beat someone at least once if they battled infinitely, or something, but I also feel like that doesn't necessarily exclude power scaling still? Like, if someone beats someone nine times out of ten, that one doesn't make them any less stronger than the person they're battling.
But, anyways, let me know what you think.
(Apr. 15, 2022 10:14 PM)Ayane_2355 Wrote: [ -> ]In a live stream a few weeks ago, Takafumi Adachi (author of MFB Beyblade) said he doesn't believe in strict power scaling, saying that in his mind any character can win against any character, at least once, so he finds arguments about who would win against who a little silly, as he doesn't think of any battle as set in stone.
So, I wanted to ask, does anyone else in the Beyblade community agree with him? Do you agree about Burst, instead of MFB? Or do you think it doesn't work for either? I'm not sure about how I feel, since I suppose I agree with the principal concept, that everyone could beat someone at least once if they battled infinitely, or something, but I also feel like that doesn't necessarily exclude power scaling still? Like, if someone beats someone nine times out of ten, that one doesn't make them any less stronger than the person they're battling.
But, anyways, let me know what you think.
That's an interesting thought. I recently finished watching G Revolution for the first time, and I'd say Tyson is probably the strongest blader in the world in that season, but when you look at Max's battle with him during the World Championships, Max gave Tyson a
really good run for his money. He almost had him. So they seemed almost even with each other at that point In the series so if they kept battling a few more times I do think Max would grab a win or two. I'm not sure if I'd apply that to all possibly 1v1 scenarios, but it's definitely true in that case I think.
I mean anyone can beat Tyson because he tilts so easily right? 😅
(Apr. 15, 2022 10:14 PM)Ayane_2355 Wrote: [ -> ]In a live stream a few weeks ago, Takafumi Adachi (author of MFB Beyblade) said he doesn't believe in strict power scaling, saying that in his mind any character can win against any character, at least once, so he finds arguments about who would win against who a little silly, as he doesn't think of any battle as set in stone.
So, I wanted to ask, does anyone else in the Beyblade community agree with him? Do you agree about Burst, instead of MFB? Or do you think it doesn't work for either? I'm not sure about how I feel, since I suppose I agree with the principal concept, that everyone could beat someone at least once if they battled infinitely, or something, but I also feel like that doesn't necessarily exclude power scaling still? Like, if someone beats someone nine times out of ten, that one doesn't make them any less stronger than the person they're battling.
But, anyways, let me know what you think.
His not wrong about it to a degree. But it does depends for example its true that any character can beat a strong at least once (But it once again depends theirs no way a character like crabby crabby will beat ryuga or Gingka if he doesn't Cheat) this is Where the power scaling begins. The question for power scalers will just do how Many times this character can beat that character on a consistant level. Like you mention if a character beats another 9 out 10 that would make this character stronger if you make a list its cause its consistant. Can the list change ofcourse it can thats the beauty of power scaling although its diferent when it comes to a series that has end. For example even though Tyson, Gingka or Valt or Hailed as the strongest an their respective gen they arent invincible Nor unbeatable in their prone to lose a bit more cause their rivals arent weak at all some will say they have equal or stronger rivals to the them. But i wouldnt say the arguement is silly like he said though, he did flat out said Gingka was the strongest in the mfb verse (Minus Rago cause his dead) but i do agree with him on other things he said.
Original: Tyson=Kai>Brooklyn
MFB: Gingka>Rago>Ryuga>Faust>Kyoya
Burst: Valt=Bell>Rashad>Shu>Lane
(Apr. 15, 2022 10:14 PM)Ayane_2355 Wrote: [ -> ]In a live stream a few weeks ago, Takafumi Adachi (author of MFB Beyblade) said he doesn't believe in strict power scaling, saying that in his mind any character can win against any character, at least once, so he finds arguments about who would win against who a little silly, as he doesn't think of any battle as set in stone.
So, I wanted to ask, does anyone else in the Beyblade community agree with him? Do you agree about Burst, instead of MFB? Or do you think it doesn't work for either? I'm not sure about how I feel, since I suppose I agree with the principal concept, that everyone could beat someone at least once if they battled infinitely, or something, but I also feel like that doesn't necessarily exclude power scaling still? Like, if someone beats someone nine times out of ten, that one doesn't make them any less stronger than the person they're battling.
But, anyways, let me know what you think.
I would agree with him about that. I would actually apply this to all 3 generations of Beyblade. Like I believe no match is ever truly set in stone and that anyone can beat anyone given enough tries or when battling under certain circumstances. Because no blader is truly unbeatable all of them can lose. For example: Tyson, Gingka and Valt are the Worlds Strongest Bladers in their respective generations but just because they are the strongest that doesn't make them unbeatable. Like in the DB Anime and Manga Valt is confirmed/hailed as the worlds strongest blader, but both Rashad and Bell have defeated Valt at one point or another. But that doesn't make Valt any weaker than them like yes they might have defeated Valt here and there showing that they were indeed stronger for those matches, but overall Valt is still the stronger blader compared to them. Even someone who lost originally can still defeat the person they lost to if they are close in terms power and skill. Like with the example Admiral W said earlier with Tyson vs Max. Tyson and Max were extremely close in their battle so give max a couple tries then max could pull a couple wins. this is even shown in the actual anime and manga themselves where bladers who lost originally won the rematch. But in order to scale characters you would need to include their feats,wins,skills, and such, but again depending on circumstances and number of battles anyone can win and lose. So what he says is agreeable.
Keep in mind any of the bladebreakers are a threat to Tyson and have potantial to beat him for his title the same way he can beat them. When they fight each other it actually look like it can fo either way. Thats why when they divide things get spicy
(Apr. 16, 2022 1:17 AM)God Dragruler Wrote: [ -> ]Keep in mind any of the bladebreakers are a threat to Tyson and have potantial to beat him for his title the same way he can beat them. When they fight each other it actually look like it can fo either way. Thats why when they divide things get spicy
I absolutely agree with this. Fresh from watching G-Rev it's clear they're rather close in power. Max, Ray and Kai all came extremely close to beating him. I was especially impressed by Max with how close he came to taking Tyson down. He did really well in that match. He proved himself to be the Great Wall of the Sea.
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Great Wall of the Sea indeed.
(Apr. 16, 2022 2:53 AM)Admiral W Wrote: [ -> ] (Apr. 16, 2022 1:17 AM)God Dragruler Wrote: [ -> ]Keep in mind any of the bladebreakers are a threat to Tyson and have potantial to beat him for his title the same way he can beat them. When they fight each other it actually look like it can fo either way. Thats why when they divide things get spicy
I absolutely agree with this. Fresh from watching G-Rev it's clear they're rather close in power. Max, Ray and Kai all came extremely close to beating him. I was especially impressed by Max with how close he came to defeating Tyson. He did really well in that match. He proved himself to be the Great Wall of the Sea.
Great Wall of the Sea indeed.
Quick question, how do you make gifs like those?
If you think Turbo is the worst burst season for any personal reason necessary you are not a true Beyblade fan.
(Apr. 18, 2022 1:39 AM)Achilles25 Wrote: [ -> ]If you think Turbo is the worst burst season for any personal reason necessary you are not a true Beyblade fan.
So someone isn't a true beyblade fan because they don't agree with you're opinion on Turbo? That a form of gatekeeping which isn't good for any fan community.
(Apr. 18, 2022 1:49 AM)Admiral W Wrote: [ -> ] (Apr. 18, 2022 1:39 AM)Achilles25 Wrote: [ -> ]If you think Turbo is the worst burst season for any personal reason necessary you are not a true Beyblade fan.
So someone isn't a true beyblade fan because they don't agree with you're opinion on Turbo? That a form of gatekeeping which isn't good for any fan community.
No. Anybody would not put Turbo at dead last. That’s honestly a bad look on you. When someone watches Turbo no one could care less about the “writing”. When they watch it they rank it high on entertainment not writing.
(Apr. 18, 2022 1:39 AM)Achilles25 Wrote: [ -> ]If you think Turbo is the worst burst season for any personal reason necessary you are not a true Beyblade fan.
It's one of the worst in my opinion but seriously you shouldn't force people to agree with your opinion. Just because someone believes that Cho Z is the worst Burst Season doesn't make them a "Non True Bey Fan" it's just their opinion and if they don't like it then that's okay. I'm not trying to argue with you or anything but this seems extremely unnecessary and something that'll just start fights for no reason at all. Remember to think before you post, think about if your post is worth posting and if it is friendly and respects everyone in the community. Overall this Post was kinda pointless to be honest and it feels like this post is just going to start fights for no reason.
(Apr. 18, 2022 1:54 AM)Achilles25 Wrote: [ -> ] (Apr. 18, 2022 1:49 AM)Admiral W Wrote: [ -> ]So someone isn't a true beyblade fan because they don't agree with you're opinion on Turbo? That a form of gatekeeping which isn't good for any fan community.
No. Anybody would not put Turbo at dead last. That’s honestly a bad look on you. When someone watches Turbo no one could care less about the “writing”. When they watch it they rank it high on entertainment not writing.
There are plenty of people who have ranked Turbo last. No one is trying to take away your enjoyment of Turbo. If you enjoyed it the most that is fine, but when examining the writing (the storytelling) putting it last or near the bottom is perfectly valid. If you could care less about wether it's well written or not, that certainly up to you and you have the right to that, but the writing is critical. Let's not gatekeep by declaring what makes a person a true fan. That's a breeding ground for toxicity.
Gwyn Reynolds: Character Arc Breakdown: Beyond Cold Equations
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"My whole life I've been surrounded by numbers."
When we first meet Gwyn he's very much living a sheltered life steeped in his very mechanical view of the world. After meeting Dante however, this perfect order begins to unravel. When they battle, instead of shattering as he predicted it would, Dragon came out of the battle intact. It survived. This frustrated the carefully calculated outcome Gwyn envisioned.
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"Everything can be described with equations."
For the first time his calculations didn't provide the perfectly predictable answer born from the razor sharp precision he was used to achieving. From then on we see the carefully structured shell of predictability he constructed around himself continue to unravel. And he spends the majority of the season trying to maintain it. Maintain his grip on what he believes the world to be.
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"Everything in the world can be explained by numbers."
Again and again the friendship between Dante, Delta and Arman defy this idea. The way they increase each other's strength in battle and the way their support pushes each other forward. The idea that friendship between people can empower them is something that can't be measured or calculated which is something that is non-existent in the perfectly manicured world of numbers and equations that Gwyn created for himself. Which they did a great job visualizing.
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When this fundamental aspect to his thought process was challenged, it threw his understanding of the world into chaos. He thought things like friends were a waste of time. Dante was the focal point for this frustration of his worldview and it's for this reason he declared his for hatred Dante.
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It was only once he understands there is more to the world and to life than the equations he wrapped himself in was he able to find joy in something beyond the mathematical.
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He finally understood their was more to life than what he'd been surrounded by in his sheltered existence. Gwyn's arc is a lesson in expanding one's horizons beyond what they're surrounded by. There's much to know beyond what we're accustomed to. Gwyn is a unique antagonist among the pantheon of Beyblade adversaries and a welcome one with clear characterization and depth.
Even though i didn't really see Gwyn as much of a threat, i feel like his character was one of the most in-depth characters in GT. He was a pretty cool character i must say.
I like Gwyn because he cool. His bey cool. His personality cool. So he cool. That is my final case.
(Apr. 18, 2022 6:33 AM)DeltaZakuro Wrote: [ -> ]Even though i didn't really see Gwyn as much of a threat, i feel like his character was one of the most in-depth characters in GT. He was a pretty cool character i must say.
While writing wise is a good perspective, personally I like villains that go psycho or are sadistic like Phi. Phi reminds me a lot like Hisoka from Hunter X Hunter.
(Apr. 18, 2022 6:33 AM)DeltaZakuro Wrote: [ -> ]Even though i didn't really see Gwyn as much of a threat, i feel like his character was one of the most in-depth characters in GT. He was a pretty cool character i must say.
arthur was there to fill in the gap.im glad we got 2 atagonists.
(Apr. 18, 2022 6:29 AM)Phantom legend Wrote: [ -> ] (Apr. 18, 2022 4:12 AM)Admiral W Wrote: [ -> ]Gwyn Reynolds: Character Arc Breakdown: Beyond Cold Equations
"My whole life I've been surrounded by numbers."
When we first meet Gwyn he's very much living a sheltered life steeped in his very mechanical view of the world. After meeting Dante however, this perfect order begins to unravel. When they battle, instead of shattering as he predicted it would, Dragon came out of the battle intact. It survived. This frustrated the carefully calculated outcome Gwyn envisioned. For the first time his calculations didn't provide the perfectly predictable answer born from the razor sharp precision he was used to achieving. From then on we see the carefully structured shell of predictability he constructed around himself continue to unravel. And he spends the majority of the season trying to maintain it. Maintain his grip on what he believes the world to be.
"Everything in the world can be explained by numbers."
Again and again the friendship between Dante, Delta and Arman defy this idea. The way they increase each other's strength in battle and the way their support pushes each other forward. The idea that friendship between people can empower them is something that can't be measured or calculated which is something that is non-existent in the perfectly manicured world of numbers and equations that Gwyn created for himself. Which they did a great job visualizing.
When this fundamental aspect to his thought process was challenged, it threw his understanding of the world into chaos. He thought things like friends were a waste of time. Dante was the focal point for this frustration of his worldview and it's for this reason he declared his hatred Dante.
It was only once he understands there is more to the world and to life than the equations he wrapped himself in was he able to find joy in something beyond the mathematical.
He finally understood their was more to life than what he'd been surrounded by in his sheltered existence. Gwyn's arc is a lesson in expanding one's horizons beyond what they're surrounded by. There's much to know beyond what we're accustomed to. Gwyn is a unique antagonist among the pantheon of Beyblade adversaries and a welcome one with clear characterization and depth.
I really enjoyed your breakdown/review for Gywn. I already knew part of this but its good to actually get a deeper understanding of his actual character. Gywn is a very interesting character. I always liked him but i like him even more now that i understand his character more. You did a great job with his character arc. Looking forward to who you do next.
Thanks. Rise did the work of putting care into the writing of the character. They gave him depth and clear characterization. One of the best antagonists by virtue of how well written the character was (Not perfect though. I do have a problem with how powerful he became in such a short time). They took him on an actual character arc where we got to experience the growth of the character. When Burst is firing on all cylinders it really delivers some of the best work in the franchise. Especially when it comes to character work. Valt, Shu, Daigo, Ken, Arman, Gwyn, Silas etc...when the writing is good we get excellent characters like those. Such good work.
