This is kinda off-topic, but when looking through the conversation of the MFB vs Burst debate, I'm now starting to realize and appreciate Burst's decision to keep changing protagonists per season.
When looking back, Gingka was at his best in the first MFB season because there was a drive and motivation for him to win. He had a tragic backstory where he made a promise to become stronger for his father (even if I find the "mysterious missing father" trope overused in anime) so it made you want to keep rooting for him.
But then after that, his father was revealed to be alive a bit too early in my opinion because I feel like Gingka became far less interesting afterwards. It felt like once he had reunited with his father too early on, his only motivation seemed to be "I want to get stronger, because I want to get stronger" and there's nothing wrong with that by itself, but my issue is that he was already very strong by the end of the first MFB season and the whole reason the World Championships happened at all was because everyone in the world viewed Gingka as the strongest blader at the time. You could argue that his drive to win was to keep that #1 title (and his responsibilities over wielding Pegasis, I guess), but then just do it like how Chouzetsu/Turbo with Valt trying to keep his #1 title, only with Gingka. Hell, do it like with Tyson where he struggled to maintain his #1 title.
In my opinion, they should've either: a.)Â Made Masamune the next main protagonist since he (whilst fairly skilled) was more of a rookie than Gingka, and had a drive to want to win (make a promise to Toby and restore his friendship with Zeo), or b.) Keep Gingka as the protagonist for the second and third season of MFB but didn't have his father come back and revealed as alive until like around the second half of the third season, MFB 4D.
And then in 4D, I would've had Kenta become the main protagonist. Now I could be biased since he's one of my favourite Beyblade characters, but I have my reasons for why Kenta should've been the third main character in MFB. He has been hanging around Gingka through the first three seasons and having them suddenly give the main character title to someone we've already been around with for two seasons would've been an interesting twist, since Kenta had the best character development in MFB in my opinion. And yes, I know people would object to having Kenta be the next main protagonist in MFB 4D because "Kenta owns a stamina type and Gingka is a Legendary Blader who is the only one who can seal Nemesis so Kenta can't be the main protagonist, blah blah..." but honestly, I feel like Kenta earning the title as a Legendary Blader through his journey (despite his weaker skills) would've been awesome. Plus, he looked up to Gingka as a hero so that could've been his drive to want to win and become the best.
Obviously, MFB doesn't use the Burst format where they keep changing the main protagonists but if they wanted to keep Gingka for two more seasons as the main character, they should've not had his father come back until the third season to keep his drive to win more interesting.
The reason why Valt staying for two seasons worked is because Valt, despite becoming stronger, lost to Lui by the end of the first Burst season. Plus, his motivation for Beyblade Burst God (asides from just wanting to become stronger) was Shu/Red Eye, his best friend. By the time Beyblade Burst God ended, Valt had become the #1 blader and then passed on the torch to Aiga, who had his own journey.
(Sep. 23, 2020 7:27 PM)The Blacknight Wrote: [ -> ] (Sep. 23, 2020 7:20 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: [ -> ]So there is 2 reasons as to why he’s so strong in episode 1, to show the power of bey spirit (which is the main focus of the show), and to add more character development later on like Kenshiro from Fist of the North Star, Goku from DBZ, Ichigo from Bleach, Jotaro from JJBA, etc. The beauty of characters like this is that they’re shrouded in a cloud of mystery. Take Kenshiro for example, he’s literally exploding a man just by lightly poking him in the first episode, but the mystery of how he gained that power is what makes the show fun to watch. We see a similar thing from gingka, he comes in defeats a gang of bladers and we don’t really know so much about him except for the fact that he’s strong, his beys name is pegasus, he was passing through the town, and his name is Gingka. You’re turn for a rebuttal.
this is the most chill argument/debate ever lol fun to watch ppl being civilized and not trying to murder each other through their screen
Lol. I remember there was one dude/girl who got on everyone's nerves and the discussion got so toxic. But you're right. It is much more fun when people are civilized. Thanks
for the friendly debate.
(Sep. 23, 2020 7:44 PM)Apollo17 Wrote: [ -> ] (Sep. 23, 2020 7:27 PM)The Blacknight Wrote: [ -> ]this is the most chill argument/debate ever lol fun to watch ppl being civilized and not trying to murder each other through their screen
Lol. I remember there was one dude/girl who got on everyone's nerves and the discussion got so toxic. But you're right. It is much more fun when people are civilized. Thanks for the friendly debate.
Edit: Sorry about that. I tried to put @, but accidentally ended up replying to myself lol.
(Sep. 23, 2020 7:40 PM)Apollo17 Wrote: [ -> ] (Sep. 23, 2020 7:20 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: [ -> ]So there is 2 reasons as to why he’s so strong in episode 1, to show the power of bey spirit (which is the main focus of the show), and to add more character development later on like Kenshiro from Fist of the North Star, Goku from DBZ, Ichigo from Bleach, Jotaro from JJBA, etc. The beauty of characters like this is that they’re shrouded in a cloud of mystery. Take Kenshiro for example, he’s literally exploding a man just by lightly poking him in the first episode, but the mystery of how he gained that power is what makes the show fun to watch. We see a similar thing from gingka, he comes in defeats a gang of bladers and we don’t really know so much about him except for the fact that he’s strong, his beys name is pegasus, he was passing through the town, and his name is Gingka. You’re turn for a rebuttal.
Sure. I'll give you a rebuttal. This is fun. But let's not get off the initial topic with side arguments. The main reason we are debating here is to tell our opinions of mfb vs burst. Character development is a serious part of this, so here goes: I get what you are saying, but that only holds true for the first season, and then it breaks down later. Remember Gingka had 3 seasons to shine in, and he did shine, just not in the logical way that Burst has set up for its protagonists. It IS fun to learn about the backstory of a character, but the backstory is NOT the main reason people watch these shows. We found out Gingka's story about his time in the village and how his dad gave him his bey. But that was like what 20 episodes out of 100+. What about the rest of the show? Explosions, unnecessary tournaments. That is what I am getting at. Why even make a tournament if you know Gingka's gonna win. Why even have opponents if you know Gingka's gonna beat them. Why can't this show just be about his backstory? Because it wouldn't make sense. The protagonist is supposed to improve in the series, and the background story helps to enhance him/ her, not the other way around. The backstory is supposed to help explain the character's motivation. Something I like about current protagonist Hyuga Asahi, is that he LEARNED his catchphrase DURING THE SHOW: "It's a revolution. Break all limits!" He learned that a revolution starts when you break your limits and change society for the better and using it to help him beat legends. He didn't just come in already knowing it. Gingka, on the other hand, came in knowing everything and we only see his background in the first season. He came in ALREADY with his own catchphrase, and it was shown that he got it from his dad in just one backstory scene. It just makes the motto seem less significant than if he learned it the hard way during the show. That's not how a character grows, and like I said before Gingka learns nothing from his journey as a blader. He just had no growth. So are you saying that once we get the character's background info that we should just stop watching the show?
I’m not saying that we should stop once we get a character’s background I am just saying it’s something that grips you on (the words I choose sometime give a different meaning then what I intend). So the entire point of the tournament is to show the progression of not only Gingka but the entire cast. During metal fusion we get to see Gingka grow as a character with each character he encounters changing his life in some way, in metal masters we get to see Gingka’s full strength and the bond he has with his fellow bladers. In metal fury we get to see Gingka become more serious about Beyblade and we see what beyblade really means to him, and finally in zero-g we see him mature from the clumsy, light-hearted teenager into the more mature and serious adult he is. In Burst we see Valt as a energetic kid who’s entire life is Beyblade and that kind of stays the same, he doesn’t see it as a sport but only until Cho-z he starts to take it seriously. Aiga is just the same throughout Cho-z but undergoes massive change in character, and Drum is just Valt 2.0 but never really reaching the seriousness of Valt. MFB has quick backstories, but they have many characters to give backstories on thus giving the viewer plenty of options for characters to like. Burst however fails to do this which is shown by characters like Zac and Xander who people could possibly like more with a backstory or motive.
(Sep. 23, 2020 7:44 PM)Apollo17 Wrote: [ -> ] (Sep. 23, 2020 7:27 PM)The Blacknight Wrote: [ -> ]this is the most chill argument/debate ever lol fun to watch ppl being civilized and not trying to murder each other through their screen
Lol. I remember there was one dude/girl who got on everyone's nerves and the discussion got so toxic. But you're right. It is much more fun when people are civilized. Thanks for the friendly debate.
To quote Obi-wan on that person, so uncivilized.
(Sep. 23, 2020 7:53 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: [ -> ] (Sep. 23, 2020 7:40 PM)Apollo17 Wrote: [ -> ]Sure. I'll give you a rebuttal. This is fun. But let's not get off the initial topic with side arguments. The main reason we are debating here is to tell our opinions of mfb vs burst. Character development is a serious part of this, so here goes: I get what you are saying, but that only holds true for the first season, and then it breaks down later. Remember Gingka had 3 seasons to shine in, and he did shine, just not in the logical way that Burst has set up for its protagonists. It IS fun to learn about the backstory of a character, but the backstory is NOT the main reason people watch these shows. We found out Gingka's story about his time in the village and how his dad gave him his bey. But that was like what 20 episodes out of 100+. What about the rest of the show? Explosions, unnecessary tournaments. That is what I am getting at. Why even make a tournament if you know Gingka's gonna win. Why even have opponents if you know Gingka's gonna beat them. Why can't this show just be about his backstory? Because it wouldn't make sense. The protagonist is supposed to improve in the series, and the background story helps to enhance him/ her, not the other way around. The backstory is supposed to help explain the character's motivation. Something I like about current protagonist Hyuga Asahi, is that he LEARNED his catchphrase DURING THE SHOW: "It's a revolution. Break all limits!" He learned that a revolution starts when you break your limits and change society for the better and using it to help him beat legends. He didn't just come in already knowing it. Gingka, on the other hand, came in knowing everything and we only see his background in the first season. He came in ALREADY with his own catchphrase, and it was shown that he got it from his dad in just one backstory scene. It just makes the motto seem less significant than if he learned it the hard way during the show. That's not how a character grows, and like I said before Gingka learns nothing from his journey as a blader. He just had no growth. So are you saying that once we get the character's background info that we should just stop watching the show?
I’m not saying that we should stop once we get a character’s background I am just saying it’s something that grips you on (the words I choose sometime give a different meaning then what I intend). So the entire point of the tournament is to show the progression of not only Gingka but the entire cast. During metal fusion we get to see Gingka grow as a character with each character he encounters changing his life in some way, in metal masters we get to see Gingka’s full strength and the bond he has with his fellow bladers. In metal fury we get to see Gingka become more serious about Beyblade and we see what beyblade really means to him, and finally in zero-g we see him mature from the clumsy, light-hearted teenager into the more mature and serious adult he is. In Burst we see Valt as a energetic kid who’s entire life is Beyblade and that kind of stays the same, he doesn’t see it as a sport but only until Cho-z he starts to take it seriously. Aiga is just the same throughout Cho-z but undergoes massive change in character, and Drum is just Valt 2.0 but never really reaching the seriousness of Valt. MFB has quick backstories, but they have many characters to give backstories on thus giving the viewer plenty of options for characters to like. Burst however fails to do this which is shown by characters like Zac and Xander who people could possibly like more with a backstory or motive.
(Sep. 23, 2020 7:44 PM)Apollo17 Wrote: [ -> ]Lol. I remember there was one dude/girl who got on everyone's nerves and the discussion got so toxic. But you're right. It is much more fun when people are civilized. Thanks for the friendly debate.
To quote Obi-wan on that person, so uncivilized.
I'm not gonna say any specific names, but there was that one person who seemed to dedicate their life to hating Hikaru Asahi lol, and things just got a little messy from there.
(Sep. 23, 2020 8:02 PM)Apollo17 Wrote: [ -> ] (Sep. 23, 2020 7:53 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: [ -> ]I’m not saying that we should stop once we get a character’s background I am just saying it’s something that grips you on (the words I choose sometime give a different meaning then what I intend). So the entire point of the tournament is to show the progression of not only Gingka but the entire cast. During metal fusion we get to see Gingka grow as a character with each character he encounters changing his life in some way, in metal masters we get to see Gingka’s full strength and the bond he has with his fellow bladers. In metal fury we get to see Gingka become more serious about Beyblade and we see what beyblade really means to him, and finally in zero-g we see him mature from the clumsy, light-hearted teenager into the more mature and serious adult he is. In Burst we see Valt as a energetic kid who’s entire life is Beyblade and that kind of stays the same, he doesn’t see it as a sport but only until Cho-z he starts to take it seriously. Aiga is just the same throughout Cho-z but undergoes massive change in character, and Drum is just Valt 2.0 but never really reaching the seriousness of Valt. MFB has quick backstories, but they have many characters to give backstories on thus giving the viewer plenty of options for characters to like. Burst however fails to do this which is shown by characters like Zac and Xander who people could possibly like more with a backstory or motive.
To quote Obi-wan on that person, so uncivilized.
I'm not gonna say any specific names, but there was that one person who seemed to dedicate their life to hating Hikaru Asahi lol, and things just got a little messy from there.
I know who you are talking about, anyways are we still debating?
(Sep. 23, 2020 8:08 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: [ -> ] (Sep. 23, 2020 8:02 PM)Apollo17 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not gonna say any specific names, but there was that one person who seemed to dedicate their life to hating Hikaru Asahi lol, and things just got a little messy from there.
I know who you are talking about, anyways are we still debating?
Do you remember how hilarious things got with that person lol? Anyways, we can keep going if you still want to. It is fun to debate, but I know we can't change each other's thoughts.
So the reason I think that Gingka was so bland in the later series was to give more character development to other characters. In masters we saw a lot of character development from Tsubasa, Yu, Masamune (albeit very fast), and Julian (just to name a few). In Fury we get to see character development from the other legendary bladers and massive development in Kenta. I may be wrong, but that would explain why people felt closer to characters like Zeo and Masamamune. Also Gingka’s title of number 1 doesn’t matter as many of the legendary bladers clapped Gingka and so did Julian and the whales.
I don't get one thing. Why did they start making Beywheelz, Beyraiderz, etc when they could just have made more MFB seasons? Okay, i get it Beywheelz could be used as a base for crossover between universes but then the sequel to beywheelz should have been an MFB season. They should never have wasted their time and money on making Beyraiderz and Beywarriors Cyborg. MFB is so much better. Imagine all the seasons we could get with MFB. Maybe we would get to see the new world championship after Zero-G and other cool stuff. Do any of you have an idea why they did not make a crossover after Beywheelz where Ryan successfully opened a gate to the MFB universe instead of Beyraiderz universe? Sorry for bad grammar. English is not my primary language.
Are you guys happy with the direction Sparking took? Or you would've liked a sequel with Delta, Fumiya and Lodin etc....?
I'm happy with it Fumiya is a disgrace to the Fafnir name.
(Sep. 25, 2020 4:03 PM)TakaraTheLord Wrote: [ -> ]I'm happy with it Fumiya is a disgrace to the Fafnir name.
he was a meh character, but since he got fafnir, everyone hates him
It's a shame Fumiya became one of my favorite characters, but everyone hates him because he's not Free
(Sep. 25, 2020 4:07 PM)The Blacknight Wrote: [ -> ] (Sep. 25, 2020 4:03 PM)TakaraTheLord Wrote: [ -> ]I'm happy with it Fumiya is a disgrace to the Fafnir name.
he was a meh character, but since he got fafnir, everyone hates him
Yep, agreed. I also feel like Fumiya got far more hate than he deserved, simply because he wielded a Fafnir instead of the universally more popular Free. The same dislike was also met with Lodin, who wielded Longinus instead of Lui in Gachi.
Granted, people do have legitimate reasons to not like Fumiya either, such as him being smug and bullying his sister early on but I'd say the large portion of his hatedom comes from the fact he "replaces" Free as the owner of Fafnir (which is not true). I reckon that if he had owned another bey like say, Heaven Pegasus, I highly guarantee that fans would not hate him nearly as much and would just kind of shrug him off as a mediocre character.
I've said this many times, but I personally liked him as a character, perhaps more than Free TBH.
That makes me wonder what would've happened, if they had got someone else to own Spriggan instead of Shu haha.
I have a few questions in mind if u can answer it please do.
Ryuga vrs. Dynamis
Damian vrs Doji
Damian and jack vrs Ryuga
(Sep. 25, 2020 5:14 PM)LOL-y Rancher Wrote: [ -> ] (Sep. 25, 2020 4:07 PM)The Blacknight Wrote: [ -> ]he was a meh character, but since he got fafnir, everyone hates him
Yep, agreed. I also feel like Fumiya got far more hate than he deserved, simply because he wielded a Fafnir instead of the universally more popular Free. The same dislike was also met with Lodin, who wielded Longinus instead of Lui in Gachi.
Granted, people do have legitimate reasons to not like Fumiya either, such as him being smug and bullying his sister early on but I'd say the large portion of his hatedom comes from the fact he "replaces" Free as the owner of Fafnir (which is not true). I reckon that if he had owned another bey like say, Heaven Pegasus, I highly guarantee that fans would not hate him nearly as much and would just kind of shrug him off as a mediocre character.
I've said this many times, but I personally liked him as a character, perhaps more than Free TBH.
That makes me wonder what would've happened, if they had got someone else to own Spriggan instead of Shu haha.
GT as a whole was kinda meh compared the Cho-Z and God, but if someone replaced Shu and owned Spriggan I think that would break the fandom. The amount of hate would be as bad as the hate for the Star Wars Sequels
Fumiya, lodin, blind, xhan, kyle all these 5 bladers suffers from using beys that was already own by well love characters by fans. This is the reason that I was like tt shouldve just give them new beys like theirs fenrir their to be use by fumiya, you can Just give lodin a leviathan or ladon if you want to have a dragon left bey a left none dragon bey like loki or leonidas , For blind Just give him balron, beelzelbub,balor or basilisk bey. Give kyle well kraken theirs also kitsune or kusheldra And give xhan something else too. If they had done that all of these characters wouldve been good or great characters For some fans.
(Sep. 25, 2020 5:32 PM)God Dragruler Wrote: [ -> ]Fumiya, lodin, blind, xhan, kyle all these 5 bladers suffers from using beys that was already own by well love characters by fans. This is the reason that I was like tt shouldve just give them new beys like theirs fenrir their to be use by fumiya, you can Just give lodin a leviathan or ladon if you want to have a dragon left bey a left none dragon bey like loki or leonidas , For blind Just give him balron, beelzelbub,balor or basilisk bey. Give kyle well kraken theirs also kitsune or kusheldra And give xhan something else too. If they had done that all of these characters wouldve been good or great characters For some fans.
Well to be fair Metal fight had multiple Cancer/Dasher and Virgo user (probably more but it has been a while) but to also be fair most of them weren't as important to the plot as others, I also don't agree with the whole "only one person can have Kerbues" it's just dumb, if Beyblade was real this would be a thing
(Sep. 25, 2020 5:39 PM)NobodyBlader Wrote: [ -> ] (Sep. 25, 2020 5:32 PM)God Dragruler Wrote: [ -> ]Fumiya, lodin, blind, xhan, kyle all these 5 bladers suffers from using beys that was already own by well love characters by fans. This is the reason that I was like tt shouldve just give them new beys like theirs fenrir their to be use by fumiya, you can Just give lodin a leviathan or ladon if you want to have a dragon left bey a left none dragon bey like loki or leonidas , For blind Just give him balron, beelzelbub,balor or basilisk bey. Give kyle well kraken theirs also kitsune or kusheldra And give xhan something else too. If they had done that all of these characters wouldve been good or great characters For some fans.
Well to be fair Metal fight had multiple Cancer/Dasher and Virgo user (probably more but it has been a while) but to also be fair most of them weren't as important to the plot as others, I also don't agree with the whole "only one person can have Kerbues" it's just dumb, if Beyblade was real this would be a thing
fair point but for the other bladers not owning the same bey burst did themselves from season one through season 5 they made sure that only one blader will own the main beys the ones the have avatar I mean the only exception is rantaro and ranjiro that's most likely cause their brothers . that's like the original series which was similar the only exception back then was hiro and daichi and even them they went their way to make them different even though the had the same bit beast name metal saga was different the made sure to show that yea alot of bladers may own the same name of a bey theirs no problem but burst didn't . even back in season their was a bunch of kerbeus, deathscyther ect they simply brush it off like their not the same thing at all and that those are generics tt and hiro made sure of that, which cause problems later on for the characters we just mentioned if tt and hiro is doing that stay committed to it and don't change to not cause hate for certain characters
(Sep. 25, 2020 5:22 PM)NobodyBlader Wrote: [ -> ]GT as a whole was kinda meh compared the Cho-Z and God, but if someone replaced Shu and owned Spriggan I think that would break the fandom. The amount of hate would be as bad as the hate for the Star Wars Sequels
Yeah, Gachi tends to be the least remembered season from Burst for a lot of fans and I think "replacing" Shu there with having someone else owning Lord Spriggan would've really pissed off a lot of fans and tanked the season as a result.
I guess for the sake of the series' ratings, it was for the better that nobody owned Lord Spriggan in Gachi, I suppose, though I was pretty curious on what another Spriggan owner would've been like, had they decided to put Lord Spriggan in the anime with a new character.
Plus, Delta filled in the void as the brooding main rival to the main character.
(Sep. 25, 2020 6:53 PM)LOL-y Rancher Wrote: [ -> ] (Sep. 25, 2020 5:22 PM)NobodyBlader Wrote: [ -> ]GT as a whole was kinda meh compared the Cho-Z and God, but if someone replaced Shu and owned Spriggan I think that would break the fandom. The amount of hate would be as bad as the hate for the Star Wars Sequels
Yeah, Gachi tends to be the least remembered season from Burst for a lot of fans and I think "replacing" Shu there with having someone else owning Lord Spriggan would've really pissed off a lot of fans and tanked the season as a result.
I guess for the sake of the series' ratings, it was for the better that nobody owned Lord Spriggan in Gachi, I suppose, though I was pretty curious on what another Spriggan owner would've been like, had they decided to put Lord Spriggan in the anime with a new character.
Plus, Delta filled in the void as the brooding main rival to the main character.
Delta felt like Shu/Red Eye 2.0, I think someone with Valt's personality yielding Spriggan would be cool to see. But I just don't see anyone else owning Spriggan, while I dislike Shu but love Red Eye, he had pretty good character development in s1 and God and Him and Spriggan go well together
(Sep. 25, 2020 7:35 PM)NobodyBlader Wrote: [ -> ] (Sep. 25, 2020 6:53 PM)LOL-y Rancher Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, Gachi tends to be the least remembered season from Burst for a lot of fans and I think "replacing" Shu there with having someone else owning Lord Spriggan would've really pissed off a lot of fans and tanked the season as a result.
I guess for the sake of the series' ratings, it was for the better that nobody owned Lord Spriggan in Gachi, I suppose, though I was pretty curious on what another Spriggan owner would've been like, had they decided to put Lord Spriggan in the anime with a new character.
Plus, Delta filled in the void as the brooding main rival to the main character.
Delta felt like Shu/Red Eye 2.0, I think someone with Valt's personality yielding Spriggan would be cool to see. But I just don't see anyone else owning Spriggan, while I dislike Shu but love Red Eye, he had pretty good character development in s1 and God and Him and Spriggan go well together
For some reason, back when Gachi was still the current season and back when Lord Spriggan was the latest Spriggan, I remembered theorising that maybe the bladers who wields Spriggan instead of Shu would either be Souta, Daina's brother (and yeah, I know his name in the dub was Ryota but I'm using his original name) or Shasa.
Souta, because the first season had him look up to Shu and being really amazed with Storm Spriggan when Shu visited him in hospital. Shasa, because her launching sequence was really similar to Shu's and when Kit returned in Cho-Z, I thought she would return in Gachi.
Obviously, this didn't happen but it would've been an interesting twist if they did do it.