Pretty much basalt anything dominates the hasbro meta. Thats why we were looking for counters.
No.1 Blader cosmic has been tested and it was determined that it pretty much sucks.
Hm, MF Earth 230MB could work as a replacement to Basalt?
I mean earth is good but it cant beat basalt.
No, not as a counter, just as a mid-height stamina counter due to the grinding effect. E.G. it would probably beat Basalt AD145WD (correct if wrong) because it hits the Clear Wheel, not the Metal Wheel <--- Grinding effect right there.
I guess we'll just have to wait until Hyperblades release. Can you try Gravity Perseus BD145mf for me?
I can do some real tests when I get home, but in hasbro MXS(no craters) I was using MF l-drago destructor 230 EDS (all hasbro) against MF twisted tempo tr145/r145 rf/r2f/mf/wf and LDD won atleast 9 straight matches against rf and beat the living hell kerbecs out of mf and r2f,
(Dec. 06, 2012 12:19 PM)R3DX Wrote: [ -> ]I can do some real tests when I get home, but in hasbro MXS(no craters) I was using MF l-drago destructor 230 EDS (all hasbro) against MF twisted tempo tr145/r145 rf/r2f/mf/wf and LDD won atleast 9 straight matches against rf and beat the living hell kerbecs out of mf and r2f,
That seems some what unrealistic. I'll try that later, but I doubt L drago destructor 230 EDS can do that good against basalt.
(Dec. 06, 2012 1:17 PM)Thunder Dome Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 06, 2012 12:19 PM)R3DX Wrote: [ -> ]I can do some real tests when I get home, but in hasbro MXS(no craters) I was using MF l-drago destructor 230 EDS (all hasbro) against MF twisted tempo tr145/r145 rf/r2f/mf/wf and LDD won atleast 9 straight matches against rf and beat the living hell kerbecs out of mf and r2f,
That seems some what unrealistic. I'll try that later, but I doubt L drago destructor 230 EDS can do that good against basalt.
I can test when I get home, it was strange to me as well. The only reason is because every time Ldd would get smashed back it would hit the wall instead of the pocket, in bb-10 it's a different case it just goes out
Okay so I retested with a new rf and not my hasbro rf that is super worn down, and with tr its 50/50 with r145 LDD is slightly better
Scythe Kronos 230WD
Even though I only own the Hasbro version of Scythe Kronos T125EDS, the fusion wheel has served well in this combo more than any other. I chose Scythe Kronos because, yet 230 is meant to avoid contact, in case of wobbling, it need defenses. Flame and Hyper and all of those other fusion wheels that rise high above expose 230 to enable its purpose, but fail when they start wobbling over and taking hits. Hasbro Scythe Kronos, even with the usual defect of being hollow due to the TT version being 4D, works well as a protective dome. Some maybe asking: "Well why not use Gravity, as well? It's as much a dome as Scythe." Well, Scythe is bigger, and more outspread. Gravity curves into the track, and has the holes for the Destroyer ring. Plus, Gravity is smaller and outclassed. I know this doesn't seem like a worthy combo, based on how most Hasbro Metal Furys are too hallow or light. And also that WD has recently been outclassed. And I am aware that most of my previous combos haven't been the best. But those previous ones I realize were just 1-hit wonders, and I've progressed to further look into the survival and potential of worthy combos. And from this combo's tests that I have conducted and will post, you will see how successful it is.
I chose WD not for just its somewhat stamina, but for its wideness and endurance. I tried using MB wth this combo because I figured its spheric mold would give it some wobble-time like WD, and increase stamina. But sadly, it wasn't the case. WD is wide enough to last long, as this is one of its main purposes for being a wide tip.
Scythe Kronos 230WD vs Twisted Kerbecs D125WD
Scythe Kronos Win Rate: 75%
Scythe Kronos 230WD vs Hell Gasher BD145CS
Scythe Kronos Win Rate: 100%
Scythe Kronos 230WD vs Earth Tempo S130WD
Scythe Kronos Win Rate: 75%
Scythe Kronos 230WD vs TakaraTomy MF VariAres LW105LF
Scythe Kronos Win Rate: (left)75% (right)100%
There will be more test results up tomorrow. If you have any requests to really prove this combo's worth, please post them.
I'm finding the results to a tad funky...
Scythe 230, especially on WD, should be easily KOed by something like Gravity Perseus R145 R2F, try that
I don't have an R145 or R2F. But this Hasbro combo works well. When it was against my Takara VariAres combo, VariAres went "hardcore explosion" on Kronos, but Kronos was still spinning smoothly. And considering Hasbro Scythe is hallow and thin, and 230 is easily put off balance if the energy ring is bashed on the edge, it's quite impressive to see that it stuck out well. I have discovered that a TakaraTomy MF VariAres CH120CS would be better for testing other beys, so I'll run more tests involving that combo against Kronos, and will post the results.
So I am thinking of posting in this thread.So just a question.Can Hasbro parts only be used?
EDIT:Wait nevermind
(Dec. 08, 2012 5:57 PM)beycrafter01 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't have an R145 or R2F. But this Hasbro combo works well. When it was against my Takara VariAres combo, VariAres went "hardcore explosion" on Kronos, but Kronos was still spinning smoothly. And considering Hasbro Scythe is hallow and thin, and 230 is easily put off balance if the energy ring is bashed on the edge, it's quite impressive to see that it stuck out well. I have discovered that a TakaraTomy MF VariAres CH120CS would be better for testing other beys, so I'll run more tests involving that combo against Kronos, and will post the results.
Try getting R145 and R2F sometime to test your combo against Twisted Tempo R145R2F.
I tried your L Drago Destructor 230 EDS. It didn't perform well.
Gear
Launcher grip
String launcher
Left spin launcher
Super Vortex stadium
Twisted Tempo TR145 R2F VS L drago Destructor 230 EDS
Twisted:20
L drago:0
L drago win percentage 0%
So it's not as great as you said it was. I think we should work on a new Tier List. The one in the OP is outclassed. Any ideas? I'll try to get one up soon.
With Hyperblades coming out, think it would be alright to update it with those?
I can definitely make an easy to follow tier list with those, it essentially a slightly outdated metagame.
, What about for people that have stadiums without pockets?
I am seriously hoping that the Hyper Strike Stadium will be widely available enough that most everyone will have access to a stadium with pockets, and we can just make that a standard (assuming it has at least some slope to it).
Such as the SVS? There will be one for those as well, obviously.
Things like the Half Pipe stadiums, and those other ones that are different, like the Rip Gringd, and Graffiti Den, I will need help with, as I've never even used them.
NO clue what they're like, or what works in them.
Yes, like the SVS. Rip Grind, Graffiti Den, Hades Gate, Meteor Fire, Cosmic Pegasus, Volcano Vortex, Darkhelm, etc.
I have the Rip Grind, and Meteor Fire, so if there are any specific things you need with those once I get some Hyperblades, let me know.
The fact that spin-stealer wheels and wheels that're similar to VariAres' characteristics don't do well on 230 is what's going against the LDD 230EDS. If you want the opponent to hit most of the rubber, the highest I suggest is a 160-type track. Also, spiked tips, thin tips, and speedy tips don't work well with 230 either, just in case you didn't know.
(Dec. 11, 2012 1:15 AM)beycrafter01 Wrote: [ -> ]
The fact that spin-stealer wheels and wheels that're similar to VariAres' characteristics don't do well on 230 is what's going against the LDD 230EDS. If you want the opponent to hit most of the rubber, the highest I suggest is a 160-type track. Also, spiked tips, thin tips, and speedy tips don't work well with 230 either, just in case you didn't know.
EDS isn't thin, and only hasbro parts can be used as stated by op. And the reason it did well is because twisted would hit the middle and slow down then be unable to hit hard enough to know LDD out. With WF it changed and twisted does amazing so it's most likely my worn RF or WF is better in hasbro
I thought EDS came with Has. Scythe Kronos?
(Dec. 11, 2012 1:22 AM)DrPepsidew Wrote: [ -> ]I thought EDS came with Has. Scythe Kronos?
It does he's talking about 160 not being released.