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(Jul. 27, 2013  9:22 PM)GAMMADRACO Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah my stadium has no pockets so would a combo with final survive be good?

Final survive is not a good 4D bottom in general, so no, not really.

What do you mean?!?!! It's wonderful maybe not as good as drive but its awesome so.... what about something with the old 145wd

(Jul. 27, 2013  9:36 PM)GAMMADRACO Wrote: [ -> ]What do you mean?!?!! It's wonderful maybe not as good as drive but its awesome so.... what about something with the old 145wd

Look at the list so far, in the OP.

No, final survive is probably one of the worst 4D bottoms, in TT and Hasbro stadiums

I think that when hasbro makes ronin Dragoon we should add leviathan Dragoon DF105LF, I tried it in a Pegasus thunder whip stadium, it litterally moves the stadium back and forth.

(Jul. 27, 2013  9:40 PM)Leone19 Wrote: [ -> ]

(Jul. 27, 2013  9:36 PM)GAMMADRACO Wrote: [ -> ]What do you mean?!?!! It's wonderful maybe not as good as drive but its awesome so.... what about something with the old 145wd

Look at the list so far, in the OP.

No, final survive is probably one of the worst 4D bottoms, in TT and Hasbro stadiums

Go check the Winning Combinations Thread and explain to me why there are a lot of B : D customs in there then.

B : D is great for Stamina, it just lacks weight and Defense, that is why it can smacked around in TT Stadiums. As far as Hasbro Stadiums, it will probably be very successful. In the OP, that list is from before Metal Fury, meaning none of the Hyperblades were even tested yet, so pay attention.

As successful as Dragoon is in TT Stadiums, it will probably dominate the Hasbro Meta as well.

I decided to do some Testing with Hasbro Duo here it is. PS. I could only do 10 rounds because I was in a hurry.

Equipment:
Darkhelm FX beystadium

(Hasbro) Duo Ice Titan 230MB VS. Ultimate Meteo Ldrago Absorb DF105WD
Duo: 3 wins (all OS)
LDrago: 7 wins (all OS)
Alternating shot
0 ties redone

(Aug. 11, 2013  5:22 PM)nupmuk Wrote: [ -> ]I decided to do some Testing with Hasbro Duo here it is. PS. I could only do 10 rounds because I was in a hurry.

Equipment:
Darkhelm FX beystadium

(Hasbro) Duo Ice Titan 230MB VS. Ultimate Meteo Ldrago Absorb DF105WD
Duo: 3 wins (all OS)
LDrago: 7 wins (all OS)
Alternating shot
0 ties redone

Appreciate the tests, but it was not likely the Hasbro Duo would be useful at all due to it being hollowed out.

As it stands, the only Metal Fury Metal Wheel that is worth using is Cosmic, everything else is far too light due to being hollowed out to use competitively.

Hopefully, some members can start testing some of the Shogun Steel customs, as well as some of the Hyperblades.

I can test some of the hyperblades like Cosmic Pegasus F, Ldrago Destructor F, Diablo Nemesis X, and Flash Saggitario 230WD.

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Also can I use reviser and Killerken instead of Leviathan and Kraken? I can only test stuff in the Darkhelm FX stadium though.

Testing the Diablo Metal Wheel in Hasbro would be good. Cosmic and L-Drago could probably use some testing as well, but it is probably safe to say there are better choices. Flash tests could be good too, though I do not suggest a rubber bottom. Using F or MF are the best bottoms for Attack types in Hasbro as they can be somewhat controllable.

Try testing:

Flash Orion GB145 MF/F vs Phantom Gasher W145 WD
Flash Orion GB145 MF/F vs Twisted Aquario BD145 CS

Diablo Aquario BD145 MF/F vs Twisted Aquario BD145 CS
Diablo Aquario BD145 MF/F vs Phantom Gasher W145 WD

I can do some tests if asked.
I have l drago destructor phantom orion, and Diablo nemesis hyperblades. I also have variares, but it's takara tomy. As for shogun steel, I have the fire and air synchrome sets.

Here it is!
Equipment Darkhelm FX beystadium

Flash (Attack mode) Orion S130MF vs. Phantom (Stamina mode) Saggitario II AD145WD
Flash: 0 wins
Phantom: 10 wins (All OS)
Phantom always launched first
0 ties redone

This was not even close at all Phantom always won by outrageous amounts of rotations except for 1 time where Flash came close and phantom won by 7-10 rotations. Flash was knocking Phantom hard but it kept recoiling into the wall and losing stamina.
This is the first test of many I'm going to be doing for attack types in Hasbro stadiums.

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I will be Doing E230 testing and GCF testing along with LF, CH120, and GB145 on Flash.

How about adding Levithian Dragoon SA165EWD, Dragoon and SA165 are already out (in some places).

Here is more!!

Equipment:
Darkhelm FX stadium

Flash Orion S130MF VS. Hasbro Duo Pegasus III 230MB
Flash: 2 wins (all KO)
Duo: 8 wins (all OS)
Duo always launched first
0 ties redone

The KO's from Flash were when it hit Duo really hard at the start of the battle and knocked it over the top of the walls. The other battles were closer than with Phantom but they were not that close.

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(Aug. 14, 2013  3:36 PM)AZL Wrote: [ -> ]How about adding Levithian Dragoon SA165EWD, Dragoon and SA165 are already out (in some places).

I don't have Dragooon, SA165, or EWD sorry to say the only thing I have that's not in my Sig is Thief Phoenix E230GCF.

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(Jul. 27, 2013  9:22 PM)GAMMADRACO Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah my stadium has no pockets so would a combo with final survive be good?

F is very aggro in a Hasbro stadium and it actually might be able to score some nice KO's so I'm going to test that after GCF and E230.

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First round of GCF testing!

Phantom (Stamina mode) Saggitario II AD145WD VS. Flash (Attack mode) Orion S130GCF
Flash: 2 wins (All OS)
Phantom: 8 wins (All OS)
Flash win percentage: 20%
0 ties redone
Phantom Always launched first

Flash'es wins were from Tornado Stalling phantom until phantom was low on stamina and then finishing it off. When Flash knocked phantom around it would lose a lot of stamina and lose by OS.

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First round of GCF testing!

Phantom (Stamina mode) Saggitario II AD145WD VS. Flash (Attack mode) Orion S130GCF
Flash: 2 wins (All OS)
Phantom: 8 wins (All OS)
Flash win percentage: 20%
0 ties redone
Phantom Always launched first

Flash'es wins were from Tornado Stalling phantom until phantom was low on stamina and then finishing it off. When Flash knocked phantom around it would lose a lot of stamina and lose by OS.

Hmmm, I just realized that the stadium you are using is one of the ones with no pockets at all...this will make attack types useless. Unless the Attack Type gets a major hit and send it over the wall, it will almost always lose to anything with higher amounts of Stamina. If someone has a stadium with pockets, then we can do some fairly accurate tests for Attack types (Still not using RF/R2F/LRF).

, obviously that custom will be top tier in Hasbro, but officially, we will probably need it tested regardless.

(Aug. 14, 2013  5:04 PM)Kai Hiwatari Wrote: [ -> ]Hmmm, I just realized that the stadium you are using is one of the ones with no pockets at all...this will make attack types useless. Unless the Attack Type gets a major hit and send it over the wall, it will almost always lose to anything with higher amounts of Stamina. If someone has a stadium with pockets, then we can do some fairly accurate tests for Attack types (Still not using RF/R2F/LRF).

, obviously that custom will be top tier in Hasbro, but officially, we will probably need it tested regardless.

The point of the testing is to find a way to consistently knock Stamina types over the high walls of the stadiums without pockets (Darkhelm FX, Blazing dojo, Hades gate,Super vortex). Since the stadiums for Shogun steel are the samurai cyclone stadium and the blazing dojo which has no pockets so there will be many people using no pocket stadiums and the classic stadiums with pockets are not being sold in many places so having testing for no pocket stadiums as well as stadiums with pockets will benefit more people.

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I'm going to test Extremely high recoil wheels to get strong hits that hit other beys over the wall.

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Flash Orion S130GCF got 0% against Hasbro Duo 230MB.
I'm not going to post formal tests until I find an attack combo with decent results against stamina.
Tried Hasbro Jade Jupiter E230 (upper mode) GCF but itnlost 10-0 against Hasbro Duo 230MB and Phantom (Stamina mode) Aquario AD145WD.

Here is some testing for E230 as a destabilizer!

Equipment:
Darkhelm FX beystadium

Inferno Saggitario II E230 (Lower mode)WD VS. Phantom Aquario AD145WD
Saggitario: 1 wins (All OS)
Aquario: 9 wins (All OS)

1 tie redone
Alternating shot

Edit: did a few rounds with this combo vs. Hasbro Duo 230MB and it Duo won 5-0

Explanation
So these rounds were won by a couple rotations or less and were very close. I chose inferno because it is raised up and will make an enormous gap between it and E230 that phantom will get caught in and get grinded and destabilized. WD is for extra stamina and wobbling so E230 can get under Phantom and make it grind against the ground. What happened in each battle is Phantom got stuck stuck in the giant gap between E230 and inferno and start spinning on it's axis 5 seconds into the battle. The reason it won is at the same time Inferno was being grinded so they would both wobble on the axis of WD and E230 would get under phantom and uppercut it but since inferno has less stamina then phantom, phantom would almost always win. The win by inferno was at I launched amazing and it grinded phantom like normal and at the end of battle uppercutted phantom like normal but then went into the center of the stadium as phantom Was spinning on the Axis of WD and going around the stadium, usually phantom goes around the stadium and hits inferno at the end of battle taking the rest of its stamina away but this time inferno was moving side to side in the center just missing phantom and it won.
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Dang double posted

Proposed tier list for standard Hasbro stadiums (not samurai cyclone)
[spoil]
Tier 1: add Metal faces whenever possible.
Leviathan Dragon SA165EWD/B
Phantom (hyperblade) Cancer/Gasher/Cygnus W145WD
Wyvern Wyvern SA165R²F/RF/GF/XF
Leviathan Leviathan/Kraken E230RS/RSF/RB/CS
Genbull/Kraken/Leviathan Genbull (don't know what Hasbro calls it) SR200CS/D?
Ifrit Bahamoote? SA165R²F/RF/GF/XF
Begirados Begirados 100R²F/RF/GF/XF


Tell me what you think!
What I think is there should be a separate tier list for samurai cyclone and the list should be pretty much like the tier list for Zero G

More testing

Equipment:
Same as before nothing has changed

Phantom (Attack mode) Aquario E230 (Lower mode) GCF VS. Hasbro Duo Pegasus III 230MB
Phantom: 0 wins
Duo: 10 wins (All OS)

Duo always launched first
0 ties redone

Inferno isn't really that great. I would either use a synchrom, phantom or basalt. Not really surprised it lost really bad. Inferno is prett light.

(Aug. 14, 2013  9:44 PM)Thunder Dome Wrote: [ -> ]Inferno isn't really that great. I would either use a synchrom, phantom or basalt. Not really surprised it lost really bad. Inferno is prett light.

The point is it is raised up but I will try those when I get the time.

If you are looking for high recoil for Hasbro, your best bet is to find the Hyperblades VariAries. Regardless, I do not think that any wheel, let alone any customization will be able to consistently knock a Beyblade over the wall of the stadium.

For stadiums with no pockets, it pretty much also rules out Defense types and brings it down to Stamina based battles. If this is the case there is almost no need for testing since we already know the following:

Phantom_______W145 WD/EWD
Phantom_______AD145 WD/EWD
Phantom_______230 D/SD

As well as Leviathan and Dragoon Customs that are already well known.

I see B : D being extremely broken in these types of stadiums as well.


Pretty much, there will need to be two different lists if we do this, granted the Tier List for No-Pocket Stadiums will pretty much look like a slightly longer version of what I listed above, but that way it would be able to help Bladers who only have access to any type of stadium.

(Aug. 14, 2013  3:36 PM)AZL Wrote: [ -> ]How about adding Levithian Dragoon SA165EWD, Dragoon and SA165 are already out (in some places).

Dude what? Wave 2 hasn't even been posted on the hasbro website. Unless they're being slow like always. I've seen images but haven't seen them in stores yet.

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(Aug. 14, 2013  11:17 PM)Kai Hiwatari Wrote: [ -> ]If you are looking for high recoil for Hasbro, your best bet is to find the Hyperblades VariAries. Regardless, I do not think that any wheel, let alone any customization will be able to consistently knock a Beyblade over the wall of the stadium.

For stadiums with no pockets, it pretty much also rules out Defense types and brings it down to Stamina based battles. If this is the case there is almost no need for testing since we already know the following:

Phantom_______W145 WD/EWD
Phantom_______AD145 WD/EWD
Phantom_______230 D/SD

As well as Leviathan and Dragoon Customs that are already well known.

I see B : D being extremely broken in these types of stadiums as well.


Pretty much, there will need to be two different lists if we do this, granted the Tier List for No-Pocket Stadiums will pretty much look like a slightly longer version of what I listed above, but that way it would be able to help Bladers who only have access to any type of stadium.

There is one slightly good attack tip for these stadiums, and that is wf, despite not having much control. I would say however if we did a seperate list for pocketless stadiums, those combos should be outlawed. That's how my brother and I have always played. I mean it's a little dumb to outlaw combo simply because it is so far beyond all others, but it would make for a more balanced metagame

No it is the fault of Hasbro stadiums not those beys. The stadiums are outlawed in tournaments already.

(Aug. 15, 2013  12:14 AM)nupmuk Wrote: [ -> ]No it is the fault of Hasbro stadiums not those beys. The stadiums are outlawed in tournaments already.

I realize that, I was simply saying what would make sense for that stadium. No need to get your jimmies rustled bud

(Aug. 15, 2013  12:14 AM)nupmuk Wrote: [ -> ]No it is the fault of Hasbro stadiums not those beys. The stadiums are outlawed in tournaments already.

I don't really think that it matters that much, the list is obviously not going to be referenced for WBO Tournaments since Hasbro Stadiums are not used, and it is very scarce that there are any Hasbro Tournaments as of lately. The list or lists is mainly for Bladers who only have access to Hasbro stadiums and want to know the best customs to use.

Two lists would be best to do and not a bother at all to make if people can contribute.

Outlawing customs in Hasbro Stadiums would really hurt the already poor meta a lot, so I do not recommend that.

(Aug. 15, 2013  1:28 AM)Kai Hiwatari Wrote: [ -> ]

(Aug. 15, 2013  12:14 AM)nupmuk Wrote: [ -> ]No it is the fault of Hasbro stadiums not those beys. The stadiums are outlawed in tournaments already.

I don't really think that it matters that much, the list is obviously not going to be referenced for WBO Tournaments since Hasbro Stadiums are not used, and it is very scarce that there are any Hasbro Tournaments as of lately. The list or lists is mainly for Bladers who only have access to Hasbro stadiums and want to know the best customs to use.

Two lists would be best to do and not a bother at all to make if people can contribute.

Outlawing customs in Hasbro Stadiums would really hurt the already poor meta a lot, so I do not recommend that.

I see where you're coming from on this one Kai, pretty much the pocketless meta will feature _____ _____ ____ wd

I got yet more testing done!

Equipment: Darkhelm FX beystadium, Zero G compact launcher

Phantom (Stamina mode) aquario 230D vs. Gravity Destroyer (Right spin, Counter mode) E230 (Lower mode) WD
Phantom: 10 wins (All OS)
Gravity: 0 (all nothing)

0 ties redone
Phantom always launched first

Phantom (Stamina mode) Aquario AD145WD VS. Gravity Destroyer (Right spin, Counter mode) E230 (Lower mode) WD
Phantom: 10 wins (All OS)
Gravity: 0 wins (All OS)

0 ties redone
Phantom always launched first

Phantom (Stamina mode) Aquario AD145WD VS. Leviathan Kraken E230 (Lower mode) WD
Phantom: 2 wins (All OS)
Kraken: 8 wins (All OS)

Alternating shot
2 ties redone

Taking requests for tests with parts from my Sig and in Darkhelm FX beystadium.

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(Aug. 15, 2013  12:54 AM)Draciel516 Wrote: [ -> ]

(Aug. 15, 2013  12:14 AM)nupmuk Wrote: [ -> ]No it is the fault of Hasbro stadiums not those beys. The stadiums are outlawed in tournaments already.

I realize that, I was simply saying what would make sense for that stadium. No need to get your jimmies rustled bud

I'm not, I was just saying.