Nov. 08, 2012 12:48 PM
OK. Right now I have been testing Phantom Cancer Ad145WD against Scythe Kronos BD145EDS. The Hasbro Scythe wheel along with BD145 track makes a nice wall due to it's overhang.
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Nov. 08, 2012 12:48 PM
Nov. 08, 2012 12:54 PM
Yup thanks alot! This will help ppl who do not have access to TT Beys!
Nov. 09, 2012 3:07 AM
I finished the testing with Scythe Kronos and Phantom Cancer!
Equipment:
Red beylauncher
Super Vortex Stadium (Has walls and no pockets incase you didn't know)
Out of twenty rounds
Phantom Cancer AD145WD vs. Scythe Kronos BD145EDS
Phantom Cancer - 3/20 = 15%
Scythe Kronos - 17/20 = 85%
Conclusion: Some battles were really close and one of them might win by a few spins. The Kronos wheel along with BD145 makes the bey thicker, due to the wheel's overhang. I thought it did really well.
Phantom Cancer BD145EDS vs. Scythe Kronos AD145WD
Phantom Cancer - 7/20 = 35%
Scythe Kronos - 13/20 = 65%
Conclusion: The Phantom wheel and the BD145 spin track made a big gap in-between, so if something got in the middle then there would usually be a decent amount of recoil. The Phantom wheel has little overhang so it wasn't able to make itself thicker.
Other notes: I wish I had another BD145 so I could test both of the beys with BD145. It would also help to have another EDS which I can easily get. I might have to order another Hades Kerbecs to get a second BD145. One other I thought I should mention is that my EDS is "aggressive". I don't know if this has happened to anyone else, but on certain occasions when it gets hit it will get aggressive and start circling the stadium a lot faster, like an attack type. Sometimes it will go enough to hit the other bey and send it flying, or deal a heavy amount of damage. Is it supposed to do this?
Equipment:
Red beylauncher
Super Vortex Stadium (Has walls and no pockets incase you didn't know)
Out of twenty rounds
Phantom Cancer AD145WD vs. Scythe Kronos BD145EDS
Phantom Cancer - 3/20 = 15%
Scythe Kronos - 17/20 = 85%
Conclusion: Some battles were really close and one of them might win by a few spins. The Kronos wheel along with BD145 makes the bey thicker, due to the wheel's overhang. I thought it did really well.
Phantom Cancer BD145EDS vs. Scythe Kronos AD145WD
Phantom Cancer - 7/20 = 35%
Scythe Kronos - 13/20 = 65%
Conclusion: The Phantom wheel and the BD145 spin track made a big gap in-between, so if something got in the middle then there would usually be a decent amount of recoil. The Phantom wheel has little overhang so it wasn't able to make itself thicker.
Other notes: I wish I had another BD145 so I could test both of the beys with BD145. It would also help to have another EDS which I can easily get. I might have to order another Hades Kerbecs to get a second BD145. One other I thought I should mention is that my EDS is "aggressive". I don't know if this has happened to anyone else, but on certain occasions when it gets hit it will get aggressive and start circling the stadium a lot faster, like an attack type. Sometimes it will go enough to hit the other bey and send it flying, or deal a heavy amount of damage. Is it supposed to do this?
Nov. 09, 2012 11:58 AM
Even my WD gets like that. Its because HAsbro stadiums are painted thicker so the tips wear down quickly. Thanks for your test results! If you have two AD145s then could you test Phantom_ AD145WD vs Scythe_AD145WD (The energy rings should be the same). Do you think Scythe and Phantom are doing better than Hades Kerbecs? If you dont mind can you also test Cosmic Kerbecs/Pegasus R145/CH120 MF/RF/R2F against Basalt BD145RS/CS .
Nov. 09, 2012 2:11 PM
I don't have two AD145's, and I don't have two of the same energy rings that would work effectively. I don't think they are gonna do better than Hades Kerbecs, unless I had another BD145. I could probably test Cosmic Kerbecs CH120RF/R2F against Basalt Cancer (Since I'm gonna use Kerbecs with Cosmic, and I don't have a second Hades Kerbecs...) BD145RS. My CS isn't aggressive, so I won't use CS.
Nov. 09, 2012 4:04 PM
Even though your CS is not aggressive, I would still use it in place of RS. Especially if Cosmic starts winning by OS. Also, since this is in a Hasbro stadium, would it not be better to use MF, F, or HF for Cosmic?
I have also been thinking about the Hasbro meta a lot lately. We all know the biggest problem is attack types have little to no use (Im praying that if that new stadium is for real it will help fix this). I took my daughter to a beyblade birthday party a couple of weekends ago and noticed that several people were winning by force smashing (sorry, I dont remember specific combos). Maybe we need to entertain the idea that force smashers could be the Hasbro meta attack type? This would probably cause everyone to start use Basalt 230 combos (which they probably already are), but then that might open back up a place for destabilizers. Anyways, this is just a thought.
I have also been thinking about the Hasbro meta a lot lately. We all know the biggest problem is attack types have little to no use (Im praying that if that new stadium is for real it will help fix this). I took my daughter to a beyblade birthday party a couple of weekends ago and noticed that several people were winning by force smashing (sorry, I dont remember specific combos). Maybe we need to entertain the idea that force smashers could be the Hasbro meta attack type? This would probably cause everyone to start use Basalt 230 combos (which they probably already are), but then that might open back up a place for destabilizers. Anyways, this is just a thought.
Nov. 09, 2012 4:59 PM
Just my insight to force smash
IMHO, Galaxy, Big Bang, and possible Basalt will be the best choices for that on 230... I am totally unsure. Jade could work as well. For force smash, just look for Metal Wheels with a JAGGED bottom. Add Kerbecs or Bull for weight and distribution, hit 230 and give it HF/F/MF, or maybe RF (not sure, I've heard that RF is useless in Hasbro's stadiums)...
Just my two cents
IMHO, Galaxy, Big Bang, and possible Basalt will be the best choices for that on 230... I am totally unsure. Jade could work as well. For force smash, just look for Metal Wheels with a JAGGED bottom. Add Kerbecs or Bull for weight and distribution, hit 230 and give it HF/F/MF, or maybe RF (not sure, I've heard that RF is useless in Hasbro's stadiums)...
Just my two cents
Nov. 09, 2012 9:58 PM
I wish that Hasbro had a 160 track because the hasbro jade would do well on a 160. My opinion.
Also, for force smashers on the top of my head I can think of Cosmic Bull/Aquario BD145/230 MF/F/HF ; Jade Bull/Aquario 230F/HF/MF and Basalt Bull/Aquario BD145/230 MF/F/HF
Also, for force smashers on the top of my head I can think of Cosmic Bull/Aquario BD145/230 MF/F/HF ; Jade Bull/Aquario 230F/HF/MF and Basalt Bull/Aquario BD145/230 MF/F/HF
Nov. 09, 2012 10:22 PM
(Nov. 09, 2012 9:58 PM)aensoni17 Wrote: [ -> ]I wish that Hasbro had a 160 track because the hasbro jade would do well on a 160. My opinion.
Also, for force smashers on the top of my head I can think of Cosmic Bull/Aquario BD145/230 MF/F/HF ; Jade Bull/Aquario 230F/HF/MF and Basalt Bull/Aquario BD145/230 MF/F/HF
I have tried Jade on 160 and it still needs to be a little higher than that to make the contact it needs to make. As far as what you have listed, every thing looks good except force smash cannot happen with BD145. Even if your opponent is lower than you, the Disk is going to cover any contact points. I would also try some other wheels as well to see if anything else has some decent force smash.
Nov. 10, 2012 12:26 AM
(Nov. 09, 2012 10:22 PM)Kain_Highwind Wrote: [ -> ](Nov. 09, 2012 9:58 PM)aensoni17 Wrote: [ -> ]I wish that Hasbro had a 160 track because the hasbro jade would do well on a 160. My opinion.
Also, for force smashers on the top of my head I can think of Cosmic Bull/Aquario BD145/230 MF/F/HF ; Jade Bull/Aquario 230F/HF/MF and Basalt Bull/Aquario BD145/230 MF/F/HF
I have tried Jade on 160 and it still needs to be a little higher than that to make the contact it needs to make. As far as what you have listed, every thing looks good except force smash cannot happen with BD145. Even if your opponent is lower than you, the Disk is going to cover any contact points. I would also try some other wheels as well to see if anything else has some decent force smash.
What can be used for force smash? S130?
Nov. 10, 2012 12:45 AM
Look up force smash on Beywiki. You have to be taller than your opponent and have a track that doesn't cover up contact points. Right now all Hasbro really has is 230 unless your opponent is lower than 145. Then you can use any 145 track that doesn't cover contact points. Force smash, is basically smashing your opponent downwards forcing them into the stadium floor. It seems to me this would be effective in the Hasbro meta because you really don't have too worry about recoil that much. Again, all this is just a thought I had that might help. It needs to be tested.
Nov. 10, 2012 1:05 AM
I haven't looked up force smash yet (Cuz I just saw ur post) but I did three match testing and Basalt Kerbecs and Cosmic Kerbecs both seemed to be a little unstable with the 230 track. I used R2F, HF, and F. I also tried S130, but it didn't do very well either. Both combos couldn't even KO (or OS or whatever) a Burn Pegasus II DF145D. I think I'm gonna sit out on Force smash testing.
EDIT: (After I read about force smash) Are there any good force smash wheels for hasbro? I would think the Jade wheel, but it's not very heavy, and the only good track we have for it is 230. Cosmic might work, Twisted would be a good wheel if it had slopes or a rigid bottom.
EDIT: (After I read about force smash) Are there any good force smash wheels for hasbro? I would think the Jade wheel, but it's not very heavy, and the only good track we have for it is 230. Cosmic might work, Twisted would be a good wheel if it had slopes or a rigid bottom.
Nov. 10, 2012 1:16 AM
Cosmic and Jade are both great....with metal faces. Twisted works by tilting over onto the opponent, and because of its weight. Try tips from any of the B series, especially MB.
Nov. 10, 2012 1:29 AM
I have an interesting combo
Basalt Gasher 85 MF
Burn Gasher AD145 WD
Super vortex
Launcher grip
String launcher
Basalt:18 OS
Burn:2 OS
I have tested against spin stealers and it got all ties (of 10 battles) with a Meteo l drago GB145 EWD. So thats not it's strong point. I'm doing more testing right now
Next (used same gear and stadium)
Basalt gasher 85 MF (tornado stall)
Earth aquario BD145 CS
Basalt:10 OS
Earth:10 OS
Next same gear
Basalt gasher 85 MF (tornado stall)
Nightmare kerbecs AD145 WD
Basalt:12 OS
Nightmare:8 OS
Once again I used the same gear and stadium
Basalt gasher 85 MF (tornado stall and regular launch)
Hades kerbecs AD145 SF
Basalt:6 OS
Hades:14 OS
I thought these results were the strangest. How did AD145 SF beat a 85 MF.
Final test (used same gear and stadium)
Basalt gasher 85 MF
Burn Aquario 100 CS
Basalt:0
Burn:20 OS
Burn and CS were perfect in this battle. The CS added defense and a little attack. The burn added a good amount of the stamina.
This was the last test I will do for Basalt Gasher 85 MF unless someone wants me to do. If you have any questions ask
Basalt Gasher 85 MF
Burn Gasher AD145 WD
Super vortex
Launcher grip
String launcher
Basalt:18 OS
Burn:2 OS
I have tested against spin stealers and it got all ties (of 10 battles) with a Meteo l drago GB145 EWD. So thats not it's strong point. I'm doing more testing right now
Next (used same gear and stadium)
Basalt gasher 85 MF (tornado stall)
Earth aquario BD145 CS
Basalt:10 OS
Earth:10 OS
Next same gear
Basalt gasher 85 MF (tornado stall)
Nightmare kerbecs AD145 WD
Basalt:12 OS
Nightmare:8 OS
Once again I used the same gear and stadium
Basalt gasher 85 MF (tornado stall and regular launch)
Hades kerbecs AD145 SF
Basalt:6 OS
Hades:14 OS
I thought these results were the strangest. How did AD145 SF beat a 85 MF.
Final test (used same gear and stadium)
Basalt gasher 85 MF
Burn Aquario 100 CS
Basalt:0
Burn:20 OS
Burn and CS were perfect in this battle. The CS added defense and a little attack. The burn added a good amount of the stamina.
This was the last test I will do for Basalt Gasher 85 MF unless someone wants me to do. If you have any questions ask
Nov. 10, 2012 1:30 PM
Nice testing.
I think it might help if Jade had a high tip as well. Perhaps we could try Jade Bull/Aquario H145MB?
I think it might help if Jade had a high tip as well. Perhaps we could try Jade Bull/Aquario H145MB?
Nov. 10, 2012 1:32 PM
H145 has a lot of recoil, though.
Nov. 10, 2012 1:50 PM
Way too much. R145 might help.
230, Cosmic, Metal Face, Kerbers, and maybe MF would work...
230, Cosmic, Metal Face, Kerbers, and maybe MF would work...
Nov. 10, 2012 2:05 PM
New testing for Burn Aquario BD145 EDS
Burn Aquario BD145 EDS
Basalt gasher 85 MF
Burn:20 OS
Basalt:0
I did sliding shoot with basalt and tornado stall but it could never win.
Burn Aquario BD145 EDS
Burn Aquario 100 CS
BD145:0
100:20 OS
I have no idea how that happened
Burn Aquario BD145 EDS
Jade bull 230 MB (I know it's not the best beyblade)
Burn:20 OS
Jade:0
It was pretty obvious who was going to win
Burn Aquario BD145 EDS
Basalt Bull AD145 WD
Burn:7 OS
Basalt:13 OS
The matches were really close each battle, but most of the time BD145 scraped at the end causing it to lose.
I used
String launcher
Launcher grip
Super vortex for all the battles
I didn't do Jade bull H145 Wb because I tried Jade things (3 different ones against Basalt gasher 85 MF) and they all lost.
Enjoy the tests
Burn Aquario BD145 EDS
Basalt gasher 85 MF
Burn:20 OS
Basalt:0
I did sliding shoot with basalt and tornado stall but it could never win.
Burn Aquario BD145 EDS
Burn Aquario 100 CS
BD145:0
100:20 OS
I have no idea how that happened
Burn Aquario BD145 EDS
Jade bull 230 MB (I know it's not the best beyblade)
Burn:20 OS
Jade:0
It was pretty obvious who was going to win
Burn Aquario BD145 EDS
Basalt Bull AD145 WD
Burn:7 OS
Basalt:13 OS
The matches were really close each battle, but most of the time BD145 scraped at the end causing it to lose.
I used
String launcher
Launcher grip
Super vortex for all the battles
I didn't do Jade bull H145 Wb because I tried Jade things (3 different ones against Basalt gasher 85 MF) and they all lost.
Enjoy the tests
Nov. 10, 2012 2:30 PM
(Nov. 10, 2012 1:50 PM)Kujikato Wrote: [ -> ]Way too much. R145 might help.
230, Cosmic, Metal Face, Kerbers, and maybe MF would work...
Idk about R145 either. It have quite a bit of recoil to. The one with the least gap is probably TR145. 230 would be your best bet, though.
Nov. 10, 2012 3:11 PM
Hasbro man. I don't think they have TR145 in their meta. Or do you?
Anyway, Does Twisted Tempo R145 MF work in Hasbro? It's killer in TT with RF/R2F. I'm unsure about the choice of MF, just cause of stamina.
Anyway, Does Twisted Tempo R145 MF work in Hasbro? It's killer in TT with RF/R2F. I'm unsure about the choice of MF, just cause of stamina.
Nov. 10, 2012 3:33 PM
(Nov. 10, 2012 3:11 PM)Kujikato Wrote: [ -> ]Hasbro man. I don't think they have TR145 in their meta. Or do you?Hasbro does have TR145. I can test that combo later
Anyway, Does Twisted Tempo R145 MF work in Hasbro? It's killer in TT with RF/R2F. I'm unsure about the choice of MF, just cause of stamina.
New Combo
Basalt Aquario GB145 CS
Launcher grip
String launcher
Left spin launcher (rip cord)
Super vortex stadium
Basalt Aquario GB145 CS (Fairly new)
Meteo l drago 230 WD
Basalt:18 OS
Meteo:2 OS
Basalt Aquario GB145 CS
Nightmare kerbecs AD145 WD
Basalt:19 OS
Nightmare:1 OS
Basalt Aquario GB145 CS
Hades kerbecs BD145 (boost) WD
Basalt:12
Hades:8
Basalt Aquario GB145 CS
Rock aquario D125 SF
Basalt:20 OS
Rock:0
Pretty good combo. More testing coming
New testing
Earth Libra 85 CS (Libra, Eagle, Bull and Aquario can all work but I picked libra because it fits good in earth and I like it)
Gear
Launcher grip
String launcher
Super vortex stadium
Earth libra 85 CS
Burn Aqaurio AD145 WD
Earth:20 OS
Burn:0
Earth libra 85 CS
Burn Aquario AD145 EDS
(This test took forever)
Earth:20 OS
Burn:0
Earth libra 85 CS
Rock aquario D125 SF
Earth:20 OS
Rock:0 OS
Earth Libra 85 CS
Meteo l drago 100 WD (left ripcord launcher)
Earth:0
Meteo:20 OS
Enjoy the tests
Nov. 11, 2012 11:43 PM
New Combo:
Hades Scorpio ED145F
Tested Against:
Spiral Striker 90MF
Launcher: Standard Right Spin (NEW)
Stadium: Meteor Fire Beystadium
Hades: 20 OS
Spiral: 0 OS
Hades Scorpio ED145F
Tested Against:
Spiral Striker 90MF
Launcher: Standard Right Spin (NEW)
Stadium: Meteor Fire Beystadium
Hades: 20 OS
Spiral: 0 OS
Nov. 12, 2012 12:08 AM
@ Dragoon_105RF
That combo is not that good.
Set up
Super vortex stadium
Launcher grip
String launcher
Hades scorpio ED145 F
Basalt gasher 85 MF
Hades:0
Basalt:20 OS
Hades scorpio ED145 F
Rock aquario D125 SF
Hades:0
Rock:20 OS
Hades scorpio ED145 F
Burn Aquario AD145 WD
Hades:0
Burn:20 OS
New test
Gear
Left spin ripcord launcher
Super vortex stadium
VariAres R145 MF
Meteo l drago 100 WD
Vari:10 OS
Meteo:10 OS
I'm working on building more spin steal killers
That combo is not that good.
Set up
Super vortex stadium
Launcher grip
String launcher
Hades scorpio ED145 F
Basalt gasher 85 MF
Hades:0
Basalt:20 OS
Hades scorpio ED145 F
Rock aquario D125 SF
Hades:0
Rock:20 OS
Hades scorpio ED145 F
Burn Aquario AD145 WD
Hades:0
Burn:20 OS
New test
Gear
Left spin ripcord launcher
Super vortex stadium
VariAres R145 MF
Meteo l drago 100 WD
Vari:10 OS
Meteo:10 OS
I'm working on building more spin steal killers
Nov. 12, 2012 1:01 AM
(Nov. 12, 2012 12:08 AM)Thunder Dome Wrote: [ -> ]@ Dragoon_105RF
That combo is not that good.
Set up
Super vortex stadium
Launcher grip
String launcher
Hades scorpio ED145 F
Basalt gasher 85 MF
Hades:0
Basalt:20 OS
Hades scorpio ED145 F
Rock aquario D125 SF
Hades:0
Rock:20 OS
Hades scorpio ED145 F
Burn Aquario AD145 WD
Hades:0
Burn:20 OS
New test
Gear
Left spin ripcord launcher
Super vortex stadium
VariAres R145 MF
Meteo l drago 100 WD
Vari:10 OS
Meteo:10 OS
I'm working on building more spin steal killers
If you're looking for spin steal killers, why not try a TR145EWD combo?
Nov. 12, 2012 2:32 AM
More tests
Gear
Launcher grip
String launcher
Super vortex
Left spin rip cord launcher
Testing for Basalt bull 230 W2D
Basalt Bull 230 W2D
Meteo l drago BD145 MF
Basalt:20 OS (Barely OS'ed each time)
Meteo:0
Basalt bull 230 W2D
Burn Aquario AD145 WD
Basalt:15 OS
Burn:5 OS
Basalt bull 230 W2D
Rock Aquario D125 SF
Basalt:1 OS
Rock:19 OS
More tests coming. Also can some more people start helping.
Gear
Launcher grip
String launcher
Super vortex
Left spin rip cord launcher
Testing for Basalt bull 230 W2D
Basalt Bull 230 W2D
Meteo l drago BD145 MF
Basalt:20 OS (Barely OS'ed each time)
Meteo:0
Basalt bull 230 W2D
Burn Aquario AD145 WD
Basalt:15 OS
Burn:5 OS
Basalt bull 230 W2D
Rock Aquario D125 SF
Basalt:1 OS
Rock:19 OS
More tests coming. Also can some more people start helping.