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If we are talking about spin stealers, try L'drago Destructor CH120EWD or Meteo L'drago CH120EWD. Try spin killing them.

New tests for VariAres AD145 WD
Gear
Left spin rip cord launcher x2
Super vortex stadium
VariAres AD145
Meteo l drago CH120 (120) EWD
Vari:19 OS
Meteo:1 OS
VariAres AD145 WD
Meteo l drago CH120 (145) EWD
Vari:17 OS
Meteo:3 OS
VariAres AD145 WD
L drago destructor CH120 (120) EWD
Vari:20 OS
L drago:0
VariAres AD145 WD
L drago destructor CH120 (145) EWD
Vari:20 OS
L drago:0
I think VariAres is a good spin steal killer in the Hasbro metagame. More tests coming soon

So far I've been thinking we need to update the tier list, but we need to test more parts, especiall the 4D parts like Cosmic and Jade and even Beat. All I can say is Gravity and Lightning should be there for attack, Hades for stamina (not sure abt Phantom and Scythe) and Twisted for defense.Why don,t we give proposed tier lists like TT? Hmmmm.

(Nov. 13, 2012  6:08 AM)The No.1 Blader Wrote: [ -> ]So far I've been thinking we need to update the tier list, but we need to test more parts, especiall the 4D parts like Cosmic and Jade and even Beat. All I can say is Gravity and Lightning should be there for attack, Hades for stamina (not sure abt Phantom and Scythe) and Twisted for defense.Why don,t we give proposed tier lists like TT? Hmmmm.

I like that idea. I can probably get one up later today. Also Jade is really useless I've tried it.

I think for force smash we should put Cosmic Tempo 230MB or Twisted Tempo 230MB. In order for the smash to happen, it might need to wobble to hit the opponent bey. So the Tempo ring would help put it off balance and then MB makes it wobble.

(Nov. 13, 2012  2:11 PM)aensoni17 Wrote: [ -> ]I think for force smash we should put Cosmic Tempo 230MB or Twisted Tempo 230MB. In order for the smash to happen, it might need to wobble to hit the opponent bey. So the Tempo ring would help put it off balance and then MB makes it wobble.

That is a great idea. Now your really getting how force smashers work.

No.1 Blader, You are right, all the new parts need more testing. However, there is really no reason to update the teir list until that happens. What I do think needs to happen, is a benchmark list. A list of certain combos to test against. That way someone doesn't test, let's say, Cosmic Tempo 230MB against Torch Aries (insert random track and tip here), and claim it is OMG best combo ever!!

The list of combos to test against probably needs to be centered more around stamina combos since that is what rules the Hasbro meta right now. And technically we might need to do 2 different list, one for stadiums with pockets, and one for stadiums without pockets. Maybe something like:

Combos to test against for stadiums with pockets:

Defense:
Twisted Bull BD145/GB145 CS/RS/RSF/(maybe even MB)
Hades Kerbecs BD145 CS/RS/RSF/(maybe even MB)

Stamina:
Twisted Bull/Aquario/Gasher AD145 WD
Twisted Bull/Aquario/Gasher 230 D/SD
Hades Kerbecs BD145 WD/EWD
Hades Kerbecs 230 D/SD

Spin Stealers/Equalizers:
Meteo L-Drago Absorb CH120 EWD/WD/XF
Meteo L-Drago Absorb ED145/TR145 EWD/WD


Combos to test against for stadiums without pockets:

(Possible)Defense:
Twisted Bull BD145 MB
Hades Kerbecs BD145 MB

Stamina:
Twisted Bull/Aquario/Gasher AD145 WD
Twisted Bull/Aquario/Gasher 230 D/SD
Hades Kerbecs BD145 WD/EWD
Hades Kerbecs 230 D/SD

Spin Stealers/Equalizers:
Meteo L-Drago Absorb CH120 EWD/WD/XF
Meteo L-Drago Absorb ED145/TR145 EWD/WD

Essentially, Stamina and Defense become the same thing in this list, with the exception of possibly Twisted/Hades BD145MB. There is little to no reason to use rubber tips for defense in a stadium with no pockets. I understand that it is still possible to knock an opponent out in one of these stadiums, but it is not something that happens consistent enough, especially if you are testing against Twisted or Hades combos.

The reason you don't see attack in either list is because that is the biggest thing we are trying to find. I have yet to see something that could KO Twisted and Hades enough to deserve a spot on the list. If someone proves that wrong then whatever combo they used to do it could be the best one to start a tier list with.

This is something that I just threw together so I am sure there is a combo or 2 I forgot to add. I just wanted to try and provide y'all with a starting point, because if any combo can't beat these that I listed then it is not tier worthy. The most important thing to focus testing on is finding attack combos (whether they win by force smash, tornado stall, or just straight KO), and the testing of the newest parts.

Just some possible stamina set-ups one can use:

Twisted Gasher AD145 MF

Hades Kerbcecs BD145 MF (BD145 is in Boost Mode.) These are the "best" tornado stallers of the Hasbro meta.

Btw, MB is a had choice for a force smasher. You'll just get sent flying up into the air from the recoil.

(Nov. 13, 2012  6:56 PM)Ultimo Wrote: [ -> ]Just some possible stamina set-ups one can use:

Twisted Gasher AD145 MF

Hades Kerbces BD145 MF (BD145 is in Boost Mode.) These are the "best" tornado stallers of the Hasbro meta.

How can you claim something is the "best" without tests to back it up? To claim these are the "best" that must also mean that you have tested every single one of the Metal Fury wheels in a tornado stall setup, please show me these tests too.

Kujikato Wrote:Btw, MB is a had choice for a force smasher. You'll just get sent flying up into the air from the recoil.

What? MB is probably the most used tip for force smashers because it gives the tilt that is needed and provides a decent amount of stamina. Also, recoil is not as big of a deal in Hasbro stadiums as it is in a BB-10 because of the lack of exits.

Twisted and Hades are the best stamina wheels in the Hasbro Meta. They make Metal Fury whels look like carp in terms of stamina. Nuff Said. This is already known by many users on the WBO.

Well, it depends on what type of force smashers really. Duo Cygnus 230 MB uses it cause it's passive. IIRC, there were tests on BigBang with 230 RF did decently. In a BB10. Then again, recoil is less of a problem in Hasbro meta I suppose.

IMHO, Hades is only good for stamina with BD145 or maybe 230. Nothing else.
Twisted well... It's definitely a heavy stamina type. Kinda like the Pre-HWS Libra was.

(Nov. 13, 2012  7:11 PM)Ultimo Wrote: [ -> ]Twisted and Hades are the best stamina wheels in the Hasbro Meta. They make Metal Fury whels look like carp in terms of stamina. Nuff Said. This is already known by many users on the WBO.

What? lol. No where did I suggest that Twisted and Hades were not the best wheels for pure stamina combos in the Hasbro meta (eventhough Scythe has shown to almost go toe to toe with Hades). This does not automatically mean they are the "best" tornado stallers. A tornado staller is a lot different than a pure stamina combo, and if you don't understand that then I can't help you.

(Nov. 13, 2012  7:17 PM)Kujikato Wrote: [ -> ]Well, it depends on what type of force smashers really. Duo Cygnus 230 MB uses it cause it's passive. IIRC, there were tests on BigBang with 230 RF did decently. In a BB10. Then again, recoil is less of a problem in Hasbro meta I suppose.

IMHO, Hades is only good for stamina with BD145 or maybe 230. Nothing else.
Twisted well... It's definitely a heavy stamina type. Kinda like the Pre-HWS Libra was.

Duo 230MB uses it for the tilt, so the combo can wobble, and it is meant to be launched aggressively.

I agree about Hades. Did I suggest anything other than BD145 or 230 for Hades? Cause if I did, it was a typo and I need to fix it.

(Nov. 13, 2012  6:56 PM)Ultimo Wrote: [ -> ]Just some possible stamina set-ups one can use:

Twisted Gasher AD145 MF

Hades Kerbcecs BD145 MF (BD145 is in Boost Mode.) These are the "best" tornado stallers of the Hasbro meta.

I prefer Twisted gasher 85 MF or AD145 MF for tornado stall.

(Nov. 13, 2012  9:50 PM)Thunder Dome Wrote: [ -> ]

(Nov. 13, 2012  6:56 PM)Ultimo Wrote: [ -> ]Just some possible stamina set-ups one can use:

Twisted Gasher AD145 MF

Hades Kerbcecs BD145 MF (BD145 is in Boost Mode.) These are the "best" tornado stallers of the Hasbro meta.

I prefer Twisted gasher 85 MF or AD145 MF for tornado stall.

What exactly is tornado stall?

More testing for
Basalt Gasher 85 MF
Gear
Launcher grip
String launcher
Left spin rip cord launcher (Only used when needed)
Super vortex stadium
Defense
Hades kerbecs BD145 (Boost) MB
Basalt:6
Hades:14
Hades Kerbecs BD145 (Boost) MB Wins

Hades Kerbecs BD145 (Boost) CS (Fairly new)
Basalt:1
Hades:19
Hades Kerbecs BD145 (Boost) CS wins

Hades Kerbecs BD145 (Boost) WD
Basalt:2
Hades:18
Hades Kerbecs BD145 (Boost) WD wins

Hades Kerbecs 230 SD
Basalt:0
Hades:20
My combo sucks

Trying something new
Basalt gasher T125 SF


Hades kerbecs BD145 (Boost) MB
Basalt:2
Hades:18

No more point going on. Another Basalt by Thunder Dome sucks (What a surprise).

A combo fixed (Sorta)
Basalt gasher R145 MF

Hades kerbecs BD145 (Boost) MB
Basalt:12
Hades:8

Hades kerbecs BD145 (Boost) CS
Basalt:3
Hades:17

Hades kerbecs 230 SD
Basalt:20 (I know it's hard to believe but it's true)
Hades:0
So my combo isn't perfect yet but changing it this time has helped it get better. More tests (and updating of this combo) coming soon.

Hades kerbecs BD145CS (boost mode) vs Gravity Perseus D125HF Kerbecs : 3= 15% (3KO) Perseus = 17= 85% ( 8ko , 9OS)

(Nov. 14, 2012  6:04 AM)The No.1 Blader Wrote: [ -> ]Hades kerbecs BD145CS (boost mode) vs Gravity Perseus D125HF Kerbecs : 3= 15% (3KO) Perseus = 17= 85% ( 8ko , 9OS)

What gear and stadium did you use?

I used the PTW stadium with A Grip Launcher + Beylauncher L for GP and a Beylauncher R for Hades

Yes Kain you are right this thread was probably created for the people who was alone as everyone tested Beys in the BB-10 stadium. By the way it is obvious that GP BD145MF would win against MLD both in left as when Gravity hits the rubber part of Meteo it loses a lot of spin.

(Nov. 13, 2012  10:01 PM)aensoni17 Wrote: [ -> ]

(Nov. 13, 2012  9:50 PM)Thunder Dome Wrote: [ -> ]

(Nov. 13, 2012  6:56 PM)Ultimo Wrote: [ -> ]Just some possible stamina set-ups one can use:

Twisted Gasher AD145 MF

Hades Kerbcecs BD145 MF (BD145 is in Boost Mode.) These are the "best" tornado stallers of the Hasbro meta.

I prefer Twisted gasher 85 MF or AD145 MF for tornado stall.

What exactly is tornado stall?

A tornado stall is when a bey is launched, then goes to the outer ring and literally stalls and lets the bey in the middle (Usually) lose stamina.

Nobody really answered my question in the Ask a Quetion Get an Answer thread, so I might as well ask it here, since I'm planning on using it for Hasbro Meta testing.

In the Rip Grind Stadium, there is a little "tornado ridge" on on side (look on google images). If a Beyblade gets trapped in there, is it considered a KO for the opposing one?

(Nov. 15, 2012  3:39 PM)BladerPegasis Wrote: [ -> ]Nobody really answered my question in the Ask a Quetion Get an Answer thread, so I might as well ask it here, since I'm planning on using it for Hasbro Meta testing.

In the Rip Grind Stadium, there is a little "tornado ridge" on on side (look on google images). If a Beyblade gets trapped in there, is it considered a KO for the opposing one?

No. I am not sure what Hasbro's purpose for that is, but it is just basically a bigger "crater" like what is in the Maximum stampede stadium.

Ah, so it isn't a KO if it gets stuck, right?

BladerPegasis Wrote:Ah, so it isn't a KO if it gets stuck, right?

No, it is not a KO. It will still come down to who spins longer. If you do test in that stadium and that happens, I would definitely note which rounds that happened.

(Nov. 15, 2012  12:44 PM)The No.1 Blader Wrote: [ -> ]Yes Kain you are right this thread was probably created for the people who was alone as everyone tested Beys in the BB-10 stadium. By the way it is obvious that GP BD145MF would win against MLD both in left as when Gravity hits the rubber part of Meteo it loses a lot of spin.

Don't be so sure, Gravity is going to be affected by the rubber too. And if you are using a stadium with pockets, Meteo can dish out some decent KOs with that rubber. MLD CH120XF was top tier for a while in the BB-10 (for people who knew how to control it). But you did just make me think of something, instead of doing Gravity BD145MF vs. MLD ED145/TR145 W2D/WD, it should probably be more like, Gravity BD145MF vs. MLD CH120/D125 XF. Then maybe try the ED145/TR145 W2D/WD against a less aggressive Gravity combo.