(Dec. 30, 2011 8:12 PM)LeonTempestXIII Wrote: [ -> ]Did all of our posts after kbuno's just get deleted?????
Dan posted about wanting to test kbuno's theory. I seconded that, and then stated that I updated the OP...
Now all my updates to the OP are gone. Wtf?
http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-Question...#pid871442
Check around before posting in unrelated threads, please.
About the posts getting deleted, check out Questions about the WBO.
Can somebody test MF Basalt Horogium R145F vs Hell Kerbecs BD145WD? I would do it, but I've got somewhere to be in a couple minutes...
EDIT: Ninja'd again by an octopus!
(Dec. 30, 2011 8:16 PM)Hazel Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 30, 2011 8:12 PM)LeonTempestXIII Wrote: [ -> ]Did all of our posts after kbuno's just get deleted?????
Dan posted about wanting to test kbuno's theory. I seconded that, and then stated that I updated the OP...
Now all my updates to the OP are gone. Wtf?
http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-Question...#pid871442
Check around before posting in unrelated threads, please.
I understand your point, but how is this unrelated? This is the hasbro thread where the issue occured...i reported my own post just now in hopes that the information could be restored. this isnt the normal posting bug...i will read your link, and I sure do hope it helps. thank you Hazel
edit: Done, thanks Hazel
The issue occurred everywhere in the forum.
Even if it had simply been posts being erased, you do not post about it in the thread.
Fine. thank you for your assistance Hazel.
I will recap what happened here then.
*CRUelty offered to test kbuno50's theory, as well as redo the tests preformed by Lynxx in the LF stadium
*I supported kbuno50's theory, talked about starting the tier list, and the possibililty of mentioning and crediting both CRUeelty and kbuno50 if this came to pass.
*Updated the OP. i will do that agian momentarily
I apologize CRUelty, I called you Dan for a sec. Your avatar's look alike so I guess I mixed you 2 up for a moment there. my bad
Also, do you even think it's possible to push the other bey with F/HF/SF/WF/LF, etc., moreso even KO the other bey? The things RF/LRF/R2F has that the plastic F tips don't have is the GRIP. A Vari on an F tip wouldn't fare well in ANY stadium because its SEVERE recoil and its low grip on the F tip. Sure, rubber tips don't have any stamina, but they have the stable grip to KO things properly and to keep itself in the stadium.
To undertsnad this we need to break things down.
An F tip is designed for irratic movement in a spinning tip. Rather than the top revolving around a single point, the beys momentum is sent along the flat surface, as the force heads outward, the bey is forced to follow that force, as it travels with the surface of the f tip.
Plastics are the main material for stadiums, as they provide a safe, durable, and smooth surface for beyblades and players.
Tips made of plastic are used in these plastic stadiums to provide the more well rounded preformance for that stule of tip (plastic on plastic) This will produce an average amount of friction, meaning an average amounnt of grip.
tips made of metal will produce less friction, and will have even less grip on a plastic surface
Tips made of rubber will have much more friction, which means more stadium grip.
Now a rubber flat tip will have alot of grip and movement but almost no stamina. More grip=more friction, and more friction=less stamina.
Now the main goal of any attack type is to KO thier opponet before thier opponet OS's them. Stamina will lose attack types because stamina types have no grip on the stadium and are tossed around like a bouncy ball. Defense types beat attack because they are heavier and are able to withstand a barrage of attacks
Attack types need to have alot of gripp because if they do not, then thier own attacks will backfire on them, and they can have a severe amount of recoil and self KO.
With all of this being said, if 2 identical attack combos, with the exception of the material used in their tips, are fighting in ANY stadium, the bey with more grip will win.
ex) Storm Pegasus 100F vs Storm Pegasus 100RF. In theory, the RF combo will win.
In reality, there are hundreds of other factors to consider, but when someone does actualy test this, make sure that your combos are identical, and then have one use a plastic F tip, and then a rubber F tip. I recomend launching the plastic F tip 1st.
Consiering this is a theory, I could probobly test this myself when I have the time. I have a few double parts. I could easily do this.
On a last note, Metal Faces are used with attack types not just for more control but an increase in weight creates in increase in friction which means an increase in grip.
The goal of any attack type is to knock thier opponent out
Ignore the last few words above the hr line. im using my phone and i cant remove it
(Dec. 30, 2011 8:17 PM)Kaiba Wrote: [ -> ]About the posts getting deleted, check out Questions about the WBO.
Can somebody test MF Basalt Horogium R145F vs Hell Kerbecs BD145WD? I would do it, but I've got somewhere to be in a couple minutes...
EDIT: Ninja'd again by an octopus!
sure, I'll test. hell in boost mode, I assume?
Yep, Boost Mode for Kerbecs.
Thanks!
RF and R2F are terrible in Hasbro stadiums.
Rai showed that it worked fine, which is why I was confuzzled.
EDIT: With RF in MXS, that is.
(Dec. 31, 2011 1:15 AM)Kaiba Wrote: [ -> ]RF and R2F are terrible in Hasbro stadiums.
Well, how do the plastic variants of flat tips do better? Yes, they have more stamina, but AGAIN, they don't have the stability they need to bring a powerful attack. The main point of attack is to SMASH the other bey out of the stadium in order to win, right? F and HF do not travel at a fast enough speed to even push the other bey near the exit. Also, when used with high recoil wheels(like every attack wheel) such as variares, blitz, beat etc., because of the decreased grip, it will end up most likely KOing itself. F and HF are more suited for "destabilizing" a bey, as they can not deliver the same attack as rubber tips do.
They can, in fact, push the other beyblade to the exit. I've seen it happen many times. They can even KO the bey straight out of the stadium, while it is more rare to see a huge KO such as that, it's possible.
Then they (are supposed to) OS the bey they pocketed as it grinds against the walls, depleting the bey's spin.
Really, if you dislike the idea so much, just play destabilizers (I prefer Flame Cancer 100FS, has more stamina than SF brethren) or stamina combos or defense combos.
Well, in my experience, F and HF don't have enough power to KO stamina and defence types.
got some results!
MXS NC
tempo banked, kerbecs normal
string launcher + launcher grip
kerbecs launched first
MF Twisted Tempo R145 F got: 7 KO 2 OS
Hell Kerbecs BD145 (boost) WD got: 1 KO 10 OS
notes: I can't really guess why R145 was needed, other than extra weight. Twisted got to spectacular KO's in particular, one being recoil at the first hit, making both beys bounce around, but Tempo stayed in and Kerbecs got KOed into the pocket, and where Twisted was able to KO Hell out of my MXS (see above post by CRU about this kind of KO) I personally think that the combo in question, MF Twisted Tempo R145 F, resembles the Anti-Meta MF Twisted/Basalt (can't remember) R145 RF
however, this has more stamina, yet the KO's seemed because the aggressiveness of F combined well with the recoil of Twisted, not by "pushing" the other bey into the pocket, as CRU said in said above post. (off-topic: how is it when I discuss about my bey results I sound so wise? xD
That was Ga's MF-H Basalt Horogium R145RF, yes.
Thanks for testing that for me!
I was hoping for a better win rate from it, but I'll test tomorrow if I have time.
in the beginning it was actually tanking kerbecs pretty badly
just so you know
In regards to rubber vs plastic flat tips, Just read my last post. It should explain alot.
Use a rubber flat style tip agianst a plastic flat style tip in any stadium. For a hasbro stadium, extensive testing proved that differences in preformance between tips like F, HF and RF are negligible.
: those tests were great! For once an attack type with a moderatly decent win %!
Bump. OP updated. added some things to the test requests list
I recieved the Gravity Demolition pack as well as a Flame Byxis. These are my 1st new beys in a while, I am excepting PMs if you have requests with regards to the parts included with these products. Obviously it is up to me if I want to preform your request, as no one else is in charge of me but me, and if I do say yes, then I will go through with it, but only when I have the time.
(Dec. 31, 2011 4:13 AM)LeonTempestXIII Wrote: [ -> ]: those tests were great! For once an attack type with a moderatly decent win %!
You do realize that 45% isn't even moderately decent, right? Lol
Compare them to the normal attack win % for Hasbro and you would have been jumping for joy too, especialy for a combo with very little stamina like that one lol.
It is sad how much we have to lower our standards here...but it is worth it, for those in the community who want to contribute but cannot
Notice: Dont read if you don't want to feel discouraged
In all brutaly honest truth, this is like a pity thread for those who cant help with the real metagame lol
Really it's a sad truth, but it's true.
You are right about that, haha. Normal attack win percentages are quite lower... F really is a savior here.
I have performed my tests with a different assortment of beys.
I used Max Stampede Stadium (NO CRATERS), Standard String Launcher + Grip for launching. First Beyblade listed was launched first. Banking and Sliding Shoot were always used on attack types. Others were launched normally.
So here it goes. Wish me luck...
Burn Aquario DF145SD (SD semi-worn) VS MF Gravity Destroyer R145R2F (Right Spin, R2F semi-worn)
Aquario: 19/25 (18 OS, 1 KO)
Destroyer: 6/25 (all KO)
Aquario winning %: 76%
Despite getting knocked around a little, Aquario resisted KO, and when it was KO'd, it was beside a pocket. However, It is okay to use 145 or AD145 instead of DF145.
Burn Aquario DF145SD (SD semi-worn) VS Basalt Bull 230CS (CS Semi-worn)
Aquario: 18/25 (All OS)
Bull: 7/25 (All OS)
Aquario winning %: 72%
Basalt Bull 230CS is still a very good Defense type. For the most part of this matchup, the old theory "Stamina defeats Defense" lived up to its name.
I will have more tests later on when I have more time. Hope I didn't mess anything up...
Would have prefered you used sliding shoot in addition to banking, but these are fine. thanks.