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(May. 23, 2015  9:04 AM)Cake Wrote: [ -> ]

(May. 21, 2015  9:42 PM)RagerBlade Wrote: [ -> ]I think we should have a separate ranking system for the year. Sort of like a "season" for Beyblade. That way we know who the best Bladers are this year. We could make an archive where people can browse the best of every year.

I would suggest keeping the current rank format (possibly as a "career ranking" or something similar) with a separate list that shows the current champions, implementing a harsh value dropoff with time (possibly 50% per year, so 1 year ago = 50% of points, 2 years = 25%, etc). This would also be good for some people because it would hide their newbie losses, while keeping their current wins and losses relevant.

I don't think the current time-insensitive setup should be eliminated, just set aside as an all-time record book. Having a sharp point-value dropoff also makes it easier for new players to reach the top rankings - as long as they do very well - although they won't be able to reach #1 because of their lack of earlier history. In effect, a newbie could, under this system, jump from their starting score up to a mid-range one, but they would never be able to pass the score of a more historically active player without a much higher win rate.

Here's an example:
Blader A enters a few tournaments in (whatever year), does well, and raises their score from 1000 to 1200 points. The next year, Blader B joins the site, and A and B each go to different tournaments. A's score from the previous year has lost some of its value, and they now have 1100 points instead. B has just joined and has 1000. During the tournaments, A earns 150 points and B earns 200. As a result, the final scores are 1200 for B and 1250 for A. The next year, A's score will be 1125, and B's will be 1100. A is slightly ahead of B despite their weaker recent performance, because in the past they had done better. However, the difference in score is not very large to reflect the present skills and performance of each Blader.

Obviously, a real implementation of this idea would be more complicated since gaining Beypoints is nonlinear and is based on your opponents' rank, but the idea should still hold.

I'm not saying that we decrease points. I'm suggesting just having a completely seprate ranking for the year. I want to see a "Beyblade Season" which is like a sports season. We just rank the people who have earned the most points in the Season's time period. That way we can see who had the most points every season.

Aniother aspect of it that I wanted to add was that the winner of each season (who won the most points) should win a trip to the championship. That would encourage Bladers to not just go to one tournament a year (the qualifier) but also others so they can earn points for their seasonal ranking.

I feel like having this Beyblade season would make the WBO much more competitive which make Beyblade seem like a sport which I personally feel would be very fun.

Ever since the limited format I've been looking for a way to make older parts viable. I've noticed that most 4D Metal Wheels are not used anymore, for they are useless in Standard where Zero G synchroms run rampant, and in Limited they aren't allowed at all. Why don't we try making a format similar to Limited but allowing everything up to Flash Sagittario?

Forgive me if this doesn't belong in this thread.

I'd support a Pre-ZRG format. The meta prior to Zero-G was just about perfectly balanced, with Attack being as strong as it was thanks to Flash.

That's what I meant, was on a smart-phone so it's not easy to elaborate.

Yep, 4D era is probably my best liked era of beyblades. Let Burn and Earth be in the LTD Format, but here we can dig out our Fusion/Omega/Jade/Kreis and apply limited knowledge lol.

That sounds cool. A format for just Zero G beys. I feel that Duo and Flash would dominate though. B would also be big.

(May. 25, 2015  3:56 PM)Aɴɢʀʏ Fᴀᴄᴇ Wrote: [ -> ]I'd support a Pre-ZRG format. The meta prior to Zero-G was just about perfectly balanced, with Attack being as strong as it was thanks to Flash.

Yes please! I would also love to see a pre- Zero-G format; the meta before Zero-G game out was pretty interesting and fairly well balanced, and it would be nice to have an intermediate format between Standard and Limited.

(May. 25, 2015  10:14 PM)RagerBlade Wrote: [ -> ]That sounds cool. A format for just Zero G beys. I feel that Duo and Flash would dominate though. B would also be big.

I meant to say a format just for 4D up here xD. My bad for those I confused.

I third this motion...

I want to have the 4D wheels and Maximum Series have use, I certainly want Death to be useful.

What would this format be called?

Guys, I have no ideally what to name the format, but something like 4D Limited Format would do.
Any cooler names? Any idea?

Pre-Zero-G-Format. Sounds cool.

As much as I like the idea, I don't think it'll go through as an official format. We already have normal Limited, so a second Limited will probably just confuse new members even more. A few people at AN were unaware that Friday's solo event was Limited and not Standard, so just imagine what a half-Limited might do.

That being said, I don't see why you can't do pre-Zero-G for like "house rules" for a tournament, as long as all participants know about it and are fine with it. Kinda like this tournament that The Supreme One hosted.

While introducing another format might increase the complexity of Beyblade for newbies, I don't think there's anything we can really do to stop that, especially if Beyblade is to continue to evolve as it has (I'm looking at you, Beyblade Burst).

Might as well enjoy it as we'd like.

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(May. 26, 2015  1:46 AM)Wombat Wrote: [ -> ]That being said, I don't see why you can't do pre-Zero-G for like "house rules" for a tournament, as long as all participants know about it and are fine with it. Kinda like this tournament that The Supreme One hosted.

That's a good point, but I wonder if somebody who relies primarily on Zero-G would be willing to go along with this if it meant he had to go without Synchrome and F230CF/GCF just because everyone else chose to do so themselves. How can you enforce "house rules," and what could you do if someone chose to go against them?

(May. 26, 2015  5:21 PM)Wombat Wrote: [ -> ]: I know that it's just an idea that's being tossed around, but I'm just trying to look at it from a realistic point of view. It would be cool if it happened, I just don't know how likely that actually is though.

(May. 26, 2015  2:02 AM)Aɴɢʀʏ Fᴀᴄᴇ Wrote: [ -> ]EDIT:

(May. 26, 2015  1:46 AM)Wombat Wrote: [ -> ]That being said, I don't see why you can't do pre-Zero-G for like "house rules" for a tournament, as long as all participants know about it and are fine with it. Kinda like this tournament that The Supreme One hosted.

That's a good point, but I wonder if somebody who relies primarily on Zero-G would be willing to go along with this if it meant he had to go without Synchrome and F230CF/GCF just because everyone else chose to do so themselves. How can you enforce "house rules," and what could you do if someone chose to go against them?

I mean, if you look through the thread you see that the Pre-4D thing was completely optional. If someone isn't comfortable with the "house rules", they and their opponent could agree to just have a normal Standard match for that battle, so they would get to use Synchrom F230(G)CF if they wanted. The problem is when someone agrees with their opponent to play by the PZG rules for that battle, but then pulls out a Synchrom. In that case they would have to be afforded an automatic loss for the battle.

I agree with you here, Wombat.

After hosting that tournament with TheSupremeOne, I don't see anything wrong with what your wrote- it's pretty much exactly what we did. The judge asks the players before the match if they're both good with whatever the "house rule" would be (Pre-4D, in our case) and both agreed. If one or both did not, then it was a regular match. If anyone tries anything funny (switching, using "banned" parts/lying to judge) then they'd lose that match.

Rather than doing another type of Limited format, a tournament with additional "house rules" is the way to go.

Nobody can stop players from agreeing to "house rules", but just to clarify something: if in that situation a Blader decides to go against those rules, there is nothing that the judge can do legally to stop him. The Blader would not lose the battle. You are not allowed to lie to a judge, yes, but first and foremost, a judge also cannot enforce a 'rule' that is not endorsed by the WBO Organized Play Universal Rules.

A while ago I thought it would be a cool throwback to have a metal system tourney but Blitz said the committee probably wouldn't approve of it. Also probably won't work now with few active people in the UK who have mostly newer parts.

(May. 26, 2015  8:48 PM)Leone19 Wrote: [ -> ]If one or both did not, then it was a regular match. If anyone tries anything funny (switching, using "banned" parts/lying to judge) then they'd lose that match

(May. 27, 2015  6:36 AM)Kei Wrote: [ -> ]Nobody can stop players from agreeing to "house rules", but just to clarify something: if in that situation a Blader decides to go against those rules, there is nothing that the judge can do legally to stop him. The Blader would not lose the battle. You are not allowed to lie to a judge, yes, but first and foremost, a judge also cannot enforce a 'rule' that is not endorsed by the WBO Organized Play Universal Rules.

Contrary to Leone19's post, I actually think our original plan, were a player to lie about parts, was to just redo the match in Standard. However, even that would be walking a fine line between acceptable and overstepping one's boundaries as a host. Fortunately, everyone complied with our "guidelines" and we had a refreshing mix of Standard and Pre-4D, all agreed upon beforehand. It helps when your community is small enough that you essentially know and trust everyone present.

(May. 27, 2015  8:21 AM)Ultra Wrote: [ -> ]A while ago I thought it would be a cool throwback to have a metal system tourney but Blitz said the committee probably wouldn't approve of it. Also probably won't work now with few active people in the UK who have mostly newer parts.

I've liked using older, outclassed beyblades outside of matches where beypoints are at stake, especially when at home- I'm a nostalgia man, so old stuff always interests me. I sure hope at least one of the Community Members share the same spirit as me. I mean, back then we didn't have ridiculous 70g combos that hurt ourselves [if they fly off and hit us in the hand, stomach, and everyone-knows-what-it-is] and wear the launcher pretty fast , scary feathery birds weighing over 64g synchromed together, and Defense getting knocked around silly by said scary birds on RF.
Besides, throwback tourneys do not always need to be community approved- remember we can still hold unofficial tourneys if we only want the wind of older beys but not beypoints.

Still, I think it's a good idea. Pre-Zero G format has a more defined metagame i.e Defense>Attack>Stamina>Defense, instead of right now where Defense especially BD145 ones get knocked like Light Wheel Beyblades by something like Wyvang, or Defense again beating stamina types [looking at Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF here].

what :o we've been arguing for almost a page.

(May. 27, 2015  10:02 AM)The Supreme One Wrote: [ -> ]

(May. 26, 2015  8:48 PM)Leone19 Wrote: [ -> ]If one or both did not, then it was a regular match. If anyone tries anything funny (switching, using "banned" parts/lying to judge) then they'd lose that match

(May. 27, 2015  6:36 AM)Kei Wrote: [ -> ]Nobody can stop players from agreeing to "house rules", but just to clarify something: if in that situation a Blader decides to go against those rules, there is nothing that the judge can do legally to stop him. The Blader would not lose the battle. You are not allowed to lie to a judge, yes, but first and foremost, a judge also cannot enforce a 'rule' that is not endorsed by the WBO Organized Play Universal Rules.

Contrary to Leone19's post, I actually think our original plan, were a player to lie about parts, was to just redo the match in Standard. However, even that would be walking a fine line between acceptable and overstepping one's boundaries as a host. Fortunately, everyone complied with our "guidelines" and we had a refreshing mix of Standard and Pre-4D, all agreed upon beforehand. It helps when your community is small enough that you essentially know and trust everyone present.

My bad, read the previous posts and mis-wrote mine, haha.

But yeah, a "Pre-Zero-G" format would definitely be better as a "house rules" thing; considering we already have a Limited Format. Too many formats for the same series (MFB) would just be confusing to the casual player and even more experienced ones, haha.

That would be great. Hell is like my favorite metal wheel so I'd love some use for it.

If I ever host another event, I so wanna do this.

Long time ago I had the idea of tournaments allowing only a certain range of Beys, but it went down pretty quickly. But now, while it's not 100% alike, my dreams are embodied in the Limited Format.

Cmon guys, let a 16.y.o kid have his fun lol. Even if it's just for an event, but if enough people join in, someday this format "might" just come through.

And no, I only look for ways so that all parts apart from completely useless ones like Poison, Kreis, Dark, etc etc are usable in some way. Right now most of 4D barring Flash, Duo and Phantom, and possibly Death are useless against Zero-G Synchrom carp, and they're a no-go in Limited.
This is Pre-Zero-G I'm talkin' bout here lol.

I agree! I was talking with a friend earlier about how cool an event with a very low weight limit and Attack-type bottoms only could be.

@ Bey Brad: That wasn't what I had in mind, but still neverthless, older parts seeing use again always excites me. Way more than watching Americas Funniest Home Videos , which I like to watch XD.

Weight limit? Dude, Diablo weighs 52g alone, and MF-H Diablo Kerbecs BD145MB easily breaks 60 grams. A weight limit may only hurt things further. Also, we need other types also yo, only attack is going to be boring, altough in practicality it's not what's true.

Yeah, even the man behind WBO agrees to me lol. Let's get it over with then.! :>)

(Jun. 02, 2015  7:44 PM)RDF3 Wrote: [ -> ]Weight limit? Dude, Diablo weighs 52g alone, and MF-H Diablo Kerbecs BD145MB easily breaks 60 grams. A weight limit may only hurt things further. Also, we need other types also yo, only attack is going to be boring, altough in practicality it's not what's true.

I can't understand if you agree with me or not? The whole point of a low weight limit is exactly so that too-heavy parts that would dominate would not be allowed.

"Only Attack" is never boring.