There is a simple and effective solution in my eyes... give th!nk a position of power over the beywiki. I haven't been here for long, but from what I have seen he has shown more dedication through
activity than all the other members. I've read his articles and they're wonderful to read; precise, in-depth and practical information in all of them. He even goes so far as to explain WHY certain parts are bad instead of just saying 'yeah this part sucks don't use it'.
He's laid-back too so it's not really fun for him to have to point out the beywiki's flaws here, but cos he's had the guts to do so it's a testament to his dedication and desire to see the beywiki improved. It's missing a lot of articles on plastics and HMS beyblades and I'm th!nking that th!nk's the guy to help sort it out. Sorry, I couldn't resist doing that.
The man has more than proved his worth as an asset to the beywiki though and I think it would be very productive to make him the head of the wiki staff or at least give him some powers over it. Just my suggestion.
I'm truly honored by your suggestion, but I know only the basics about HMS, and I don't think I'm quite as laid back as you think, I don't think I've proven my ability to draw the line between "progressive" and "hasty" as well as many would like.
I honestly think a team of people would be the best solution. As I've said, it is quite rare to see a Wiki run by a single person, and I think there would be huge benefits if we had a team of active users to do it. That way, any more extreme tendencies could be tamed by a more reserved member, anything any one person lacks the knowledge of could be filled by another, and if we choose sufficiently active members, it should not take too long to come to a consensus.
Furthermore, I think a team of people would be more able to check what is currently on the wiki for errors, find good drafts, and update the wiki as the metagame changes.
I have already mentioned the choices I would make for such a team (outside of the committee, seeing as committee members do have other responsibilities and already seem stretched for time) to Kai-V, though I did forget a couple of people when I did so, I don't really know if my suggestion was worthwhile enough to take any further...
I second th!nk's motion, if my vote counts for something hah.
Through my limited time here, I have learnt a lot about the Beyblade meta-game just by reading Beywiki. But as my knowledge increases, I find that articles I would like to read are listed, but have no article. And I can almost guarantee that new players wanting to know more about Beyblades will look through the Beywiki, wanting to learn about a certain Bey, and find many of them listed, but having no information.
So, I looked at the Beywiki forum and found that (correct me if I'm wrong) Kei seems to be the only person that can accept drafts and put them on the Beywiki. While some can attribute amazing power and unlimited time to Kei, I doubt he has enough time to look through all the articles that need to be looked through and then put all of them on the Beywiki.
As such, I believe that a team would be much more effective than just one person. I mean, I haven't seen any new additions to the Beywiki (again, correct me if I'm wrong) so why are we writing articles that reach the status of finished and are ready to be put up, when all they do is remain in the forum and are never put up?? I'm not doubting Kei's devotion to the Beyblade community, but I highly doubt he has enough time to sit at his computer all day and read articles about Beyblades, then move them all to the wiki.
That's just my two cents of this situation. Take it or leave it, mi amigos.
Seconding Sinner's post, I think that there should be a team of peopke with high knowledge to approve those drafts. For example, th!nk, Hazel, Kai-V etc you get my point right?
... Can you all stop talking about it like we have no idea about this and that more posts will make us react more ? I already clearly wrote that we were aware of these issues and that we found possible solutions.
You said you were looking for solutions, not that you had found any. People are just trying to help out, because they think it's needed...
But even you were suggesting a team of people, and you know that we know about this solution already because we discussed it in private messages.
I was joining in the discussion because others were interested and I wished to promote discussion of it because it could have bought up more interesting, viable suggestions. Our large community is one of our greatest strengths, and sometimes people can come up with really solid ideas having read a good discussion. As far as I know, Kei was going to work on the wiki this weekend. Now, I don't know how many hours there are left in Canada, but our resident Dark Magician is yet to make an appearance, so as far as I know, your solution may have already been attempted and just been as effective as a house of cards in the wind, or something.
Plus, let's be honest, I really like that team idea, and you hardly seemed convinced, hah.
And hey, just in general, maybe you guys should be more open to community help and input... If you truly want to no longer be seen as distant or scary, perhaps you should make more effort to reach out to the community for ideas... We've got a strong community with many brilliant minds, and the site as a whole could benefit if we really took advantage of that. I think part of the reason there are so many posts like this is because we never know what's actually going on with the place, and I personally think we could mutually benefit from a little more openness. Just talking in general and not wanting to overstep my mark here. I just think telling people to stop trying to come up with solutions is kind of harsh, when there is a chance they could come up with an even better solution than the one you are considering.
Kei's solution is to have Hazel do some of the work, and I told him that that was probably not sufficient.
th!nk Wrote:Plus, let's be honest, I really like that team idea, and you hardly seemed convinced, hah.
Personally, anything with two or more people is a team, hah, but you know that I am not just going to jump happily and respond happily to something if I am not certain yet that it will happen.
The problem I have with all these sorts of suggestions on such matters is that it seems like you all think that we are stupid and that we really could not have come up with such ideas, hah. Most of the suggestions in this topic are not like that at all since they are genuinely suggesting something new to the site (a new plugin or functionality, etc.), but this is not the first time that such a topic was discussed in a public thread and that everybody kept making suggestions as if you really thought we could not have imagined such ideas. I think the other example I have in mind is the Ban Basalt topic : there has seriously not been anything that Advanced Members could not have come up with that was posted in the public thread in the end. I can understand the need that people have to just get a voice somewhere, but do trust us sometimes, hah. I am really not a person to forget alternatives or possibilities.
I'm glad you said it, heh.
We do trust you, it's just sometimes we don't hear from you long enough that even that trust isn't enough to prevent us from worrying, heh. So we figure, no harm in saying it, I guess, and see if anyone else comes up with something good as an alternative. At least, to open the door for more creative ideas, I guess?
I agree with th!nk. We aren't mind readers Kai-V. When people want a change, a change that seems like it should be common sense, but no one who is in charge makes any verbal effort commiting to that change, then the people who desire said change will verballly express what they want, and then a bandwagon forms bandwagon inb a positive sense)
The fact is that the normal members cannot possibly know what the moderators are planning. Communication is essential. That said, you arent a bad communicator in the slightest, none of us are really, but you cant expect us to just instantly know what you have/have not considered, even if it is common sense. The fact is, if it was common sesne, then we would already have fixed the problem.
Frankly, many"new plug in or functionality" ideas suggested here seem to never be taken seriously, and it reallly just always leads up to "that would be nice to have" (some, not all)
Back on task to the wiki team, there is absolutely no reason as to why we shouldnt have one. Rather than dismiss the current discussion now on this, I would much rather we cintinue it, but continue to brainstorm on ways to improve the proposed idea and the wiki itself.
For starters, the wiki I run is composed of 2 inactive head moderators, and 3 moderators (including myself). The 2nd head moderator gave myself and 2 other active users admin status, as he stated he would no longer be on as much. In addition, the 3 of us have developed a strong relationship with the majority of the memebers activly involved with the wiki. Of course the community I am a part of is signifigantly smaller than that of the WBO, but the same concept can be applied in different ways here.
Kei must handselect a team of WBO users who constantly participate in the Beywiki project in an effective matter. (Hazel and Th!nk are 2 perfect canidates) However, these people do not need to be experts in the metagame, or be knowlagable with all 3 systems. Every person can bring thier own something to the table. Maybe one person is an expert with HMS, but doesnt know the difference between a plastic and an MFB? One person could be excellent at formatting, another at cateagory organizing. the list goes on and on. Do you get lucky and find 1 or 2 people who know everything? Yes, but dont count on it.
Okay this annoying me so much being completely overlooked. Since you don't seem to know Leon I have a large amount of knowledge on all three systems!
After 3 years and 7,797 posts I assumed you knew quite a lot actually.
I've found this to be an enlightening conversation, and think the input is valuable. Especially the points about varying and often non-overlapping levels of expertise from one system to another. For example, I'm deep in MFB, learning about HMS, and completely clueless about Plastics. That's probably a pretty typical profile these days, and to the extent that we can identify members who are deeper in the other areas it serves us well to do so.
I've also
not been a part of the conversations going on about this subject, and so most of the points are new to me - though I can see how it might seem to be a bit repetitive to those who
have been.
But that's one of the big points here, yes? That when there are issues of concern you would like more information flow and transparency. I think that this is reasonable, and that we can work on that.
(Feb. 05, 2012 10:20 PM)Ultra Wrote: [ -> ]Okay this annoying me so much being completely overlooked. Since you don't seem to know Leon I have a large amount of knowledge on all three systems!
Um, ok, but I named 2 people out of many hundred possible canidates, and I never mentioned anything about you in my post, so why are you getting offended? If you know your stuff, which I know you do, then I am sure that you would also be a canidate.
It was all for the sake of an example, so dont worry
I am also happy that this conversation was started. Some great points have been made here that should not go un-noticed
Ultra, I did mention you as one of my other picks who I forgot originally, haha, but not specifically. Obviously, you're one of the four people with a higher postcount than me, and oftentimes my only company in plastics parts discussion. Plus, you write well, and, of course, know your stuff.
: Yes, that's exactly what we want, a little more transparency and flow of information! If you could work on it, it would be excellent for the community.
I was thinking, there are only 3 HMS articles to go right? Dranzer MS, MF, and Aero Knight. We should try to promote the completion of that part of the wiki somehow. I know nothing about HMS, but I'm happy to fix wording and stuff if someone writes them, but I think others could offer much, much more than me, haha
Oh, also (thanks Nocto for informing me), there are the three Circle WD's which need articles. That shouldn't be too hard should it?
I made the missing beys lists a while back. Aero Knight isnt on thier I believe but the 2 Dranzers are. All that thread was able to accomplish was 2 or 3 plastics articles like Draciel F. It was basicly forgotten after that point.
Hm, I will give it some thought and see what I come up with. At the least, I'd like to see that thread link to drafts, though, I'd probably be biased towards only linking to quality drafts... Anyway, yeah.
At the very least though, we should really be able to get HMS complete, or at leasts, have good drafts up of the missing beyblades/WD's by the end of this month, if people put the effort in. I'm happy to help people write the articles if they have the beyblades. It might take a little community involvement but there are plenty of people who are knowledgeable and passionate about HMS.
Mmmm, that Draciel F article is one I've since rewritten due to some massive fact-checking flaws, too...
Galaxy wrote Draciel F. I merley provided the other versions section info.
Well, Kei did instate that new rule where we can only have 1 draft per article. I dont really like that though for the sole reason that the better draft isnt always in the OP
Yeah, I know, I was just saying as an off hand remark, but some weird stuff slipped in there, like 6 balls despite people pointing out it was illegal. It's impossible unless you get some balls that are of a size I'm yet to find from Takara, that sit down in the holes of the base, and even then, they would be smaller than the 1g balls so you wouldn't get the full extra 2g from them.
You know, we should look at re-weighing plastic parts, for such light things, the tiny variations mean 1g isn't really a suitable increment. That said, plastic parts wear and so they get lighter with use, so I dunno if most of my collection would be 100% accurate, hah.
I'll try and do drafts on those 3 at some point then.
@Th!nk: I might remember hat conversation. I believe we were discussing illegal mods, and somehow information was altered in translation.
Back on topic, another possibiblity exists for the team idea. Rather than another WBO user group, give certain users on the beywiki site admin privlage (not head admin though) and then name them in the beywiki section of this forum. Unless of course beywiki and WBO user privlages are identical and are the same between both sites, then never mind
Yeah, to make it work with standard 1g balls. you'd need to remove two protrusions from the spin gears, and these protrusions help keep it in place a little so yeah.
You can make people forum mods, if the international forums are anything to go buy.
Anyway, a new suggestion, well, an old one that I'm going to revive:
A thread for plastics and HMS which incorporates AAQGAA, Purchase Consultation, and Build Me a Combo, for both systems?
Why? Because I just spent three days asking how much I'd expect to pay for two particular recolours and didn't get an answer, and a lot of other questions go unanswered til one of us stumbles on them a few days later, if they get answered at all.
I'll happily write up a thread, help keep an eye on things, be there as often as I can to answer questions, whatever, I just want to see this thread made, seeing as the older systems are starting to see more interest, and so on, but we simply cannot keep up with the volume of MFB posts between each plastics/hms question.
So, uuhhh, please?
Are you looking for two threads? Or just one thread that incorporates both systems?
Isn't there already a "prices for plastics" thread?
Both systems in one thread would be fine IMO, as there is a fair bit of cross-pollination knowledge-wise, and neither are so big as to prevent posts about the other being answered.
There is that thread, but it is largely flawed, not only in having a number of incorrect prices, but only focussing on NIB price, and does not cover anything outside of standard releases. It could not hope to match the help a thread such as I have proposed could provide for a very long time, unless someone not so ingrained in its current state were to take a shot at completely rewriting it. In fact, having a thread such as this could help to build a better "price list", as it would be a good resource for knowledge on that.
Where would you post it ?