Ahh, alright.
Thank you for clarifying.
Ok i just thought it was a good idea.
While we are on that subject, I really hope nobody sees it as discrimination or anything. It is a clear attempt from the Committee to accelerate the process of full articles being published on Beywiki, without having to see nothing about a Beyblade for several months. It also originates from the bothersome need to update the first post of product topics, where I figured that if I had to dedicate some time to it, I might as well make it even more useful by adding it to Beywiki. Frankly, updating a first post has almost no attraction in those cases.
If I knew even the basis about Plastics and Heavy Metal System I might look into doing stubs for them too, but I really do not. I also do not want this action to have a retroactive concept, because chances are that drafts were already started for released Beyblades.
I have a suggestion that would really help me (and probably help new users too), and should actually be possible (it'll take a little time but it's generally a one-off job)!
I was wondering if someone could go back to the release threads of already released sets and edit the OP to include a list of the parts/accessories each set includes? It would help greatly when I quickly need to check what set a person is referring to, and what parts in it are worthwhile, and would probably also help them check for themselves.
Also, it'd be super cool in future if you were to add new links/pictures/info to the OP as well as posting them during the discussion, or even just add them to the OP and post "OP Updated with new pictures" etc? It'd keep all of the info in a single post and save time (and I guess also server load used by searches)?
Yeah, I know, I'm lazy, but so are most people and it'd look nice and professional (and lessen the impact of spammy/useless posts filling up threads, as they wouldn't dilute the informative posts).
There is also the other side, quite full as well, who never look at the first posts anyway.
True, but not only does it give us somewhere to direct them, and give them less of an excuse for laziness (and what I said about "op updated with new info" covers them too), but surely that should not be any reason to not do this for those of us who do check the OP?
Anyways, it'd be even harder for them to find things after they've slipped back to the middle of the thread from new discussion.
That said, what I said about parts lists in the OP can be separated from the second part of my suggestion, that is the part that I really would love to see
I also wish that the OP contained all of the "real" information about a release. Yes, someday all of that info will make it into the Wiki - but there are a lot of days between the announcement of a bey and that someday... and in the mean time you have to wade through dozens of garbage posts just to find the 1 or 2 nuggets of good info.
That, and I don't know if any sets actually have wiki articles yet either.
Glad to see others agree though, I was worried I was just being super lazy.
(Nov. 10, 2011 8:54 PM)th!nk Wrote: [ -> ]That, and I don't know if any sets actually have wiki articles yet either.
Glad to see others agree though, I was worried I was just being super lazy.
My pleasure. Talking about sets and the wiki, since Kai-V has been making stubs for new MFB starters and boosters, maybe she could make stubs for sets as well? I defer to Kei's judgment on the management of the wiki of course, but if he is amenable it would put a stake in the ground that we could build on - and lord knows there are lots of people who appear to be clamoring for more opportunities to write articles...
Agreed. Currently things like the URS's are only being mentioned as a side note in the articles of the beys they're based on. Which wouldn't be too bad, but the other sets don't get mentioned.
And yeah, that forum is crazy.
Another way to think about what might be useful on the beywiki (like sets) is to imagine that you are writing for a collector from the future.
I'm running into that right now trying to get a good set of HMS gear (many years after its day in the sun) and there are things that I would totally buy (A-130 anyone?) that get a side note but otherwise are a complete mystery. If someone hadn't bought it recently and posted the image I wouldn't have any idea what was inside of it. In fact I might have thought it was just a fancy launcher...
Someday when we are all on the next generation of beyblades, new bladers at that time who want to get good MFB stuff should know about the sets.
(Nov. 10, 2011 9:37 PM)Arupaeo Wrote: [ -> ]Someday when we are all on the next generation of beyblades, new bladers at that time who want to get good MFB stuff should know about the sets.
You're right. There's no reason why we shouldn't have that information on the wiki. If someone wants to go ahead and start creating drafts for sets (which shouldn't be too hard!), they can go for it. Just make sure to post them in the Beywiki Project forum first. The focus for now should be MFB Sets.
I call L-Drago Reshuffle and Attack and Defense Sets.
I'll start the drafts on Sunday, hopefully error-free in terms of grammar.
EDIT: I agree with the suggestion though, when I was a newb on here, I would get confused because the OP of a set's thread sometimes didn't list the parts, and I would wonder what was in it since I didn't own parts by then.
So do I edit the first post of each topic or do we just make Beywiki articles for the sets now ?
I was actually thinking articles for the sets just today, haha.
heheh, now i have more to write for BeyWiki.
(Nov. 11, 2011 3:41 AM)Kai-V Wrote: [ -> ]So do I edit the first post of each topic or do we just make Beywiki articles for the sets now ?
For BB-121 (and all sets thereafter) my suggestion would be to edit the OP of the thread.
For past sets, perhaps post a link to the wiki stub/entry (as they are created) at the top would work well?
That seems odd since I started making stubs with BB-119 and I am planning to make them for all future Beyblades too, so making short articles on the future in between the Beyblade releases should not be that difficult.
(Nov. 11, 2011 5:04 AM)Kai-V Wrote: [ -> ]That seems odd since I started making stubs with BB-119 and I am planning to make them for all future Beyblades too, so making short articles on the future in between the Beyblade releases should not be that difficult.
You're right, that does seem odd. At first it seemed like the flow of the thread would continue until release and then the stub would be created, but as you are creating them now, what you suggest makes more sense.
On Beywiki, articles that have beys with S-ARs need to have thier AR section split into a main AR section, then a sub section for the S-AR.
On Beywiki, perhaps for the sake of newcomers or people just getting back into beyblade, a disambiguation for certian beys is neccisary. Whether we cateagorize all of the Drigers together, or at the top of an article we state in Italics, "For other Driger variants please see (link)Driger Disambiguation(/link)" or something like that.
Thoughts?
I'mma just focus on the first point because it's something I mentioned a few days ago in the Guardian Driger thread too (albeit just for that article).
These are two separate parts, they can be mixed and matched between each other, and thus the properties and uses of each AR and Sub-AR should always be kept separate.
This also would reduce the issues with writing the article for Guardian Driger, given it's AR is just War Lion with a different name, and the SAR is that horrid wing-thing that appeared on a few rarer beys.
I think Leon used galeon as an example in the Guardian Driger discussion, I'll carry that on here, basically, its SAR is one of the best in the game and can go nicely on a couple of other AR's (Holy Despell, from Zeus, for example). Screw Zeus can be used with Great Dragon (Gaia Dragoon) to fix it in place and produce powerful smash (this being the combo Deikailo used during plastics remembrance day).
And, while Early SAR's shared the name of the bey they came with, they later recieved their own names, so I think this serves as an indication of how we should be doing this.
As much as I'd rather focus on the first idea for the time being, the second is also a good idea. Even just a category for "Drigers" etc would be a cool idea.
Um, I do not know if I am posting it in the right place or not, but as its a suggestion, I guess it will be OK.
OK, so here it is-
I have been a regular poster in the Build Me A Combo #2 Topic, and I have observed that recently, people tend to forget reading the OP...
I am certain this might have been brought to the notice of mods several times, but yeah...
The OP clearly suggests people to read around the BeyWiki/Competitive Combos Thread, etc. It also clearly reads that people have to list their parts...
Recently, there were many cases where people just say-
I have all beyblades, give me a combo.
What is the best combo for Phantom Orion?
And, as we give out combos, they come up saying- "Um, no. I do not have that part. Make some other combo for me with that."
Why not just list out your parts and then let us do the work of building combos?! It would save our time...
Many people know of this, and Hazel is one member who thwarted a guy who posted such a query. But, he suddenly got his post deleted, and posted a 'more polite' version of his post.
Should this be tolerated?
Can the mods/admins do something about this?
I had been warned once for not reading the OP in one of the Media Forum threads...
So, why not make Build Me A Combo as strict as those threads in the Media Forum? IMO, Build Me A Combo is an extremely important thread on this website, and may also account for a MAJOR thread... Why not make it strict?
It should be, those posters just need to be reported.
That said, it's a lot of mod work. And people not reading the OP is not a new problem, it's one we've been plagued by since well before I joined.
I chastise people who do not list their parts, report them, and encourage anyone else to do the same. Just make sure not to be overtly rude about it.
Personally, I find the build me a combo thread to be a wasteland of repetitive posts, and I've stopped answering questions in that thread altogether.
Some members have more severe parts limitations that are worth answering, but far too many have like all the standard Hasbro beys and are getting the exact same answer that someone else just got within 5 or 10 posts above.
Maybe we could add some basic common combos to the OP? Or is there a Hasbro top tier list to which we could refer the repetitive posts?
There is a thread for building a Hasbro Top Tier list, though I am not sure how "current" it is.