MSF(-H) Wyvang Wyvang (?)145R2F

Credit for coming up with this custom definitely goes to KainHighwind; he came up with the original idea and he and I have been working on it ever since, and now that we have a large chunk of tests results we decided it was time to share it.

Remember how when Flash came out, it was beating even the top defense customs of the time a majority of the time? That was child's play compared to this custom. I'll let some test results do the talking:

FLASH BENCHMARK
MF-H Flash Beelzeb GB145R2F vs. MSF Reviser Reviser BD145RDF
Reviser always launched first.

Detail Results (Click to View)

1. Flash KO
2. Flash KO
3. Flash KO
4. Reviser KO
5. Reviser KO
6. Flash KO
7. Reviser KO
8. Reviser OS
9. Reviser OS
10. Reviser KO
11. Reviser OS
12. Reviser KO
13. Flash KO
14. Reviser OS
15. Flash KO
16. Reviser OS
17. Reviser KO
18. Flash KO
19. Reviser OS
20. Flash KO
21. Reviser OS
22. Reviser OS
23. Tie; Reviser KO
24. Reviser OS
25. Flash KO
26. Tie; Flash KO
27. Reviser OS
28. Reviser KO
29. Flash KO
30. Flash KO

Flash: 12 (0 OS, 12 KO)
Reviser: 18 (10 OS, 8 KO)
Flash Win %: 40.0%


WYVANG RESULTS
MSF Wyvang Wyvang GB145R2F vs. MSF-H Reviser Reviser BD145RDF
Reviser always launched first.

Detail Results (Click to View)

1. Wyvang KO
2. Tie; Wyvang KO
3. Wyvang KO
4. Tie; Wyvang KO
5. Reviser OS
6. Wyvang KO
7. Wyvang KO
8. Wyvang OS
9. Tie; Wyvang KO
10. Wyvang KO
11. Reviser KO
12. Wyvang KO
13. Wyvang KO
14. Wyvang KO
15. Wyvang KO
16. Reviser KO
17. Wyvang KO
18. Wyvang KO
19. Wyvang KO
20. Reviser KO
21. Wyvang KO
22. Reviser OS
23. Wyvang KO
24. Wyvang KO
25. Wyvang KO
26. Wyvang KO
27. Reviser OS
28. Reviser OS
29. Reviser OS
30. Wyvang KO

Wyvang: 22 (1 OS, 21 KO)
Reviser: 8 (5 OS, 3 KO)
Wyvang Win %: 73.3%

That's right, this custom beats one of the absolute best defense combos available nearly twice as often as Flash. Not only that, it has shown to beat other customs that Flash couldn't have dreamed of defeating as we'll discuss in the test results section.

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Part Choices

• MSF(-H): Despite being the heaviest Synchrom available, Wyvang Wyvang still has more recoil than it can handle by itself. Thus, the extra weight of some form of Metal Stone Face is welcome to help tame it.
  
• Wyvang Wyvang: Here we are, the Synchrom that makes this possible. Wyvang, when Synchromed with itself, both exposes its own contact points and doubles the number of contact points on the Bey, thus providing extreme and overwhelmingly consistent smash.
  
• (?)145: I'm sure the whole (?) business is confusing, but let us explain: what we've found is that this custom works with just about any track on 145 height, even 145 itself! We're experimenting with a lot of tracks right now, and we'll be posting track recommendations as we get testing done. I like KainHighwind's original suggestion of GB145 since it puts weight on Wyvang's contact points, but others certainly work as well. This part of the custom can be tailored to preference; use whatever works for you!
  
• R2F: Wyvang needs to be on a rubber flat tip variant to tame its recoil, and it needs the speed of R2F since it is so incredibly heavy.

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Test Results

Ingulit's Testing

Test Results (Click to View)

MSF Wyvang Wyvang GB145R2F vs. MSF Killerken Reviser BD145RSF
Reviser always launched first.

Detail Results (Click to View)

1. Wyvang KO
2. Wyvang KO
3. Wyvang KO
4. Wyvang KO
5. Wyvang KO
6. Wyvang KO
7. Wyvang KO
8. Reviser KO
9. Wyvang KO
10. Wyvang KO
11. Reviser OS
12. Reviser KO
13. Wyvang KO
14. Wyvang KO
15. Wyvang KO
16. Wyvang KO
17. Reviser KO
18. Wyvang KO
19. Tie; Wyvang KO
20. Reviser OS
21. Wyvang KO
22. Wyvang KO
23. Wyvang KO
24. Reviser KO
25. Wyvang KO
26. Wyvang KO
27. Wyvang KO
28. Wyvang KO
29. Wyvang KO
30. Wyvang KO

Wyvang: 24 (0 OS, 24 KO)
Reviser: 6 (2 OS, 4 KO)
Wyvang Win %: 80.0%

These were the first tests I did when I got my second Wyvang, and I was completely blown away. This is an extremely competent defense bey, and Wyvang tossed it around like a rag doll.


MSF Wyvang Wyvang GB145R2F vs. MSF-H Reviser Reviser BD145RDF
Reviser always launched first.

Detail Results (Click to View)

1. Wyvang KO
2. Tie; Wyvang KO
3. Wyvang KO
4. Tie; Wyvang KO
5. Reviser OS
6. Wyvang KO
7. Wyvang KO
8. Wyvang OS
9. Tie; Wyvang KO
10. Wyvang KO
11. Reviser KO
12. Wyvang KO
13. Wyvang KO
14. Wyvang KO
15. Wyvang KO
16. Reviser KO
17. Wyvang KO
18. Wyvang KO
19. Wyvang KO
20. Reviser KO
21. Wyvang KO
22. Reviser OS
23. Wyvang KO
24. Wyvang KO
25. Wyvang KO
26. Wyvang KO
27. Reviser OS
28. Reviser OS
29. Reviser OS
30. Wyvang KO

Wyvang: 22 (1 OS, 21 KO)
Reviser: 8 (5 OS, 3 KO)
Wyvang Win %: 73.3%

I moved on to one of the top defense customs to see if it would do any better, and it's safe to say that it didn't. Wyvang hurled Reviser across the room, and even hit Reviser so hard that it flew apart in round 9 immediately after I'd tightened Reviser's face bolt!


MSF Wyvang Wyvang GB145R2F vs. MSF-H Reviser Reviser E230CS
Reviser always launched first.

Detail Results (Click to View)

1. Reviser KO
2. Wyvang KO
3. Wyvang KO
4. Reviser OS
5. Reviser KO
6. Wyvang KO
7. Reviser OS
8. Reviser KO
9. Reviser OS
10. Reviser KO
11. Tie; Wyvang KO
12. Wyvang KO
13. Wyvang KO
14. Reviser KO
15. Wyvang KO
16. Reviser KO
17. Reviser OS
18. Tie; Wyvang KO
19. Reviser KO
20. Wyvang KO
21. Wyvang KO
22. Reviser KO
23. Reviser OS
24. Reviser KO
25. Reviser OS
26. Wyvang KO
27. Reviser KO
28. Reviser OS
29. Wyvang KO
30. Reviser KO

Wyvang: 12 (0 OS, 12 KO)
Reviser: 18 (7 OS, 11 KO)
Wyvang Win %: 40.0%

E230 is definitely king of defense, but it should be noted that this custom achieved a 40% win rate when Flash couldn't even KO it once (as shown in the MSF-H Reviser Reviser E230CS thread).


MSF Wyvang Wyvang GB145R2F vs. MF-H Diablo Kerbecs BD145R2F
Diablo launched first on even launches, Wyvang launched first on odd.

Detail Results (Click to View)

1. Diablo KO
2. Wyvang KO
3. Diablo OS
4. Wyvang OS
5. Diablo KO
6. Wyvang KO
7. Tie; Diablo KO
8. Diablo KO
9. Wyvang KO
10. Wyvang KO
11. Diablo OS
12. Wyvang OS
13. Diablo KO
14. Tie; Wyvang OS
15. Diablo KO
16. Wyvang KO
17. Diablo KO
18. Wyvang KO
19. Diablo KO
20. Wyvang KO

Wyvang: 10 (3 OS, 7 KO)
Diablo: 10 (2 OS, 8 KO)
Wyvang Win %: 50.0%

These results are utterly incredible, and are much better than what Flash can achieve. As the detailed results show, whichever custom was launched second usually won. What's important to note is that Wyvang, an attack type in every sense of the word, won 50% of the time against a custom that was literally designed to almost solely defeat attack types.


MSF Wyvang Wyvang GB145R2F vs. MF-M Duo Cygnus 230MB
Duo always launched first.

Detail Results (Click to View)

1. Wyvang KO
2. Wyvang KO
3. Wyvang KO
4. Wyvang KO
5. Wyvang KO
6. Wyvang KO
7. Wyvang KO
8. Wyvang KO
9. Wyvang KO
10. Wyvang KO
11. Wyvang KO
12. Wyvang KO
13. Wyvang KO
14. Wyvang KO
15. Wyvang KO
16. Wyvang KO
17. Wyvang KO
18. Wyvang KO
19. Wyvang KO
20. Wyvang KO

Wyvang: 20 (0 OS, 20 KO)
Duo: 0 (0 OS, 0 KO)
Wyvang Win %: 100.0%

This was laughably bad, but I wanted to show that this custom does in fact wipe the floor with stamina types/wobblers.


MSF Wyvang Wyvang GB145R2F vs. MF-H Scythe Pisces 85RS
Scythe always launched first.

Detail Results (Click to View)

1. Scythe OS
2. Scythe OS
3. Wyvang KO
4. Scythe OS
5. Wyvang KO
6. Scythe OS
7. Wyvang OS
8. Scythe OS
9. Wyvang KO
10. Wyvang KO
11. Scythe OS
12. Scythe OS
13. Scythe OS
14. Wyvang OS
15. Scythe OS
16. Scythe KO
17. Scythe OS
18. Wyvang KO
19. Scythe OS
20. Scythe KO

Wyvang: 7 (2 OS, 5 KO)
Scythe: 13 (11 OS, 2 KO)
Wyvang Win %: 35.0%

Get your Scythes while they're hot! This was the best custom for defeating Wyvang that I tested, and I'm starting to think I should revive the MF-H Scythe Pisces 85RS thread for top-tier consideration, haha!

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MSF Wyvang Wyvang GB145R2F vs. MSF Reviser Dragooon BD145RDF
Dragooon always launched first.

Detail Results (Click to View)

1. Wyvang KO
2. Wyvang KO
3. Wyvang KO
4. Dragooon KO
5. Wyvang KO
6. Dragooon OS
7. Dragooon OS
8. Wyvang KO
9. Wyvang KO
10. Wyvang KO
11. Dragooon OS
12. Wyvang KO
13. Wyvang KO
14. Dragooon KO
15. Wyvang KO
16. Dragooon KO
17. Tie; Wyvang KO
18. Wyvang KO
19. Wyvang KO
20. Tie; Wyvang KO

Wyvang: 14 (0 OS, 14 KO)
Dragooon: 6 (3 OS, 3 KO)
Wyvang Win %: 70.0%

This test was to see if the left-spin offered by Dragooon helped Reviser more than Synchroming Reviser with itself. Simply put, it didn't help that much at all; Wyvang still went to town on it.

MSF Wyvang Wyvang GB145R2F vs. MF-H Duo Gasher BD145RB
Duo always launched first.

Detail Results (Click to View)

1. Wyvang KO
2. Duo OS
3. Wyvang KO
4. Duo OS
5. Wyvang KO
6. Tie; Duo OS
7. Duo OS
8. Duo OS
9. Duo OS
10. Wyvang KO
11. Duo OS
12. Wyvang KO
13. Wyvang KO
14. Duo OS
15. Duo KO
16. Duo KO
17. Duo OS
18. Duo OS
19. Wyvang KO
20. Wyvang KO

Wyvang: 8 (0 OS, 8 KO)
Duo: 12 (10 OS, 2 KO)
Wyvang Win %: 40.0%

Now this was a hard battle. Meow! mentioned that Duo gives Wyvang a hard time, and he wasn't kidding! I scraped together a 40% win rate, which isn't bad, but it's safe to say that Wyvang does much better against Synchrom defenders than Duo-based defense types.

KainHighwind's Testing

Test Results (Click to View)

Wyvang Wyvang C145RF vs. MSF-L Revizer Revizer BD145RDF
Revizer always launched first.

Detail Results (Click to View)

1. Wyvang KO
2. Wyvang KO
3. Wyvang KO
4. Revizer KO
5. Wyvang KO
6. Wyvang KO
7. Revizer OS
8. Revizer OS
9. Revizer OS
10. Wyvang KO
11. Wyvang KO
12. Revizer OS
13. Wyvang KO
14. Wyvang KO
15. Wyvang KO
16. Revizer OS
17. Wyvang KO
18. Wyvang KO
19. Revizer OS
20. Wyvang KO

Wyvang: 13 (0 OS, 13 KO)
Revizer: 7 (6 OS, 1 KO)
Wyvang Win %: 65.0%

*INGULIT'S NOTE: KainHighwind wanted me to point out that these tests were with sub-optimal parts (C145, RF instead of R2F) and that he was really rusty with attack types, and it STILL came out on top.

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Videos


Coming soon!

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Conclusion

This custom is easily one of the most phenomenal attack types I've ever seen, and as these test results hopefully show it is overwhelmingly top-tier worthy. I know getting two Wyvangs is no easy feat, but if you have the opportunity and manage to nab two, you'll be rewarded with what is currently one of the best attack Beyblades of this generation.

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4D Customs (Click to View)

• MF-L Phantom (Attack) Cygnus 85MF
  
• MF-H Scythe Uranus 85RS
  
• MF-H Flash Orion W145MF
  
• MF-H Basalt Horogium TR145R2F
  
• Duo Cygnus 160PD
  

MFB Customs (Click to View)

• MSF-H Reviser Dragooon SA165EWD
  
• MSF-H Bahamdia Ifraid SA165R2F
  
• MSF-H Wyvang Wyvang GB145R2F
  

Could Balro be a substitute for one of the Wyvangs?

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|Testing Thread|

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Goreim Saramanda 230MB

I doubt it. Wyvang has powerful smash so replacing one of them would reduce it's effectiveness.

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Wish there was a more practical combo that performed as well as this, I'm sure not many people are up to buy 2 BBG-25's...

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Wow this is an incredible combo! Nice job thinking of this KainHighwind. The results are great for an attack type.

Wish there was a more practical combo that performed as well as this, I'm sure not many people are up to buy 2 BBG-25's...

You can actually get Wyvang separate for around $16 on Ebay. I'll definitely try to pick one up. Unfortunately, mine wore out after the first 2 days.

Also, could you try this agasint MF-H Duo Cancer BD145RB? It seemed to give my Wyvang some issues. Not sure if it is the fact that it is worn though.

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How could it have worn out in that short a time? I'd be interested in testing on ____ Dragoon BD145RDF too just to see whether it being left spin changes the results from the reviser reviser version you both tested.

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Kain and I have talked about Wyvang getting worn, and we came to the conclusion that making sure that all the parts are tight seems to be more of a factor than Wyvang's condition. That is to say, Kain did some tests that were lackluster and thought it might be due to wear, but after tightening his parts it did much better again.

Certainly all parts will wear over time, but so far neither of our Wyvangs have lost much performance due to it yet.

I'll do the Duo test as soon as I can!

EDIT: Yeah, someone is selling Wyvang Orojya 145EDS for 16 bucks on eBay, that's easily the best place to get two at the moment.

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4D Customs (Click to View)

• MF-L Phantom (Attack) Cygnus 85MF
  
• MF-H Scythe Uranus 85RS
  
• MF-H Flash Orion W145MF
  
• MF-H Basalt Horogium TR145R2F
  
• Duo Cygnus 160PD
  

MFB Customs (Click to View)

• MSF-H Reviser Dragooon SA165EWD
  
• MSF-H Bahamdia Ifraid SA165R2F
  
• MSF-H Wyvang Wyvang GB145R2F
  

What? Sonokong released a separate bey for Wyvang? WTF!!!!!!!!!! I bought that BBG-25 for nothing (╥﹏╥)

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It's not a Sonokong release (lord, I wish!), someone just took apart the BBG-25 and is selling the pieces.

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4D Customs (Click to View)

• MF-L Phantom (Attack) Cygnus 85MF
  
• MF-H Scythe Uranus 85RS
  
• MF-H Flash Orion W145MF
  
• MF-H Basalt Horogium TR145R2F
  
• Duo Cygnus 160PD
  

MFB Customs (Click to View)

• MSF-H Reviser Dragooon SA165EWD
  
• MSF-H Bahamdia Ifraid SA165R2F
  
• MSF-H Wyvang Wyvang GB145R2F
  

Ah... I see.

Just curious, what do you guys mean by Wyvang wore out? What does it mean for a metal wheel to be worn out?

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DEFENSE IS DEAD

Amazing jobs guys. This really seems like an outstanding combo. Excited for the videos.

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Tournaments I've Attended (Click to View)

4/29/12: The Spring Sortie (BB-10)
7/22/12: The Triple Threat (MFB+Plastics+HMS formats)
9/23/12: Autumn's Assault (Zero G)
October 2012: October Achtung (Zero G) (placed second)
12/15/12: Holiday Havoc! (Zero-G)
2/24/13: Paper vs. Plastic (Zero-G+Plastic Formats)
4/21/13: BR Maryland Qualifier (Zero-G)
5/26/12: BeyDays 2013! (BB-10) (placed first)
7/14/13: Heated Metal Plastic-y Madness! (HMS + Plastics) (placed third in HMS)
7/20/13: The Bey Brawl! (BB-10)
9/28/13 "OK, alright, mirai~!" (BB-10) (placed second)
12/15/13 No Limit Holdem'! (Zero-G, Limited)
1/19/14 Happy Gnu Year! (Zero-G)
2/23/14 Better Late Than Never! (Limited, Plastics, which I got 3rd in)
3/29/14 GBT2 North Carolina Qualfier (Limited, got 4th)
3/30/14 GBT2 Maryland Qualifier (Limited)
6/8/14 A Prehistoric Venture (Limited, HMS, placed first in HMS)
6/21/14 A Timely Farewell (Standard, Tag-Team (not official format), Zero-G, placed first in tag-team and third in Zero-G)

My Testing Threads (All Zero-G) (Click to View)

Diablo Kerbecs E230CF
SB Discussion
Q Discussion
MB Discussion
RS Discussion
BWD Discussion
MF-H Gravity Perseus BD145 RDF
MF-H Duo F230CF
F:S Discussion
SA165 Discussion

HMS Resources (Click to View)

HMS Question and Answer Thread
Competitive HMS Combos List
HMS Parts Discussion
HMS General Discussion

DEFENSE IS DEAD

MSF Wyvang Wyvang GB145R2F vs. MF-H Scythe Pisces 85RS
Scythe always launched first.

Detail Results (Click to View)

1. Scythe OS
2. Scythe OS
3. Wyvang KO
4. Scythe OS
5. Wyvang KO
6. Scythe OS
7. Wyvang OS
8. Scythe OS
9. Wyvang KO
10. Wyvang KO
11. Scythe OS
12. Scythe OS
13. Scythe OS
14. Wyvang OS
15. Scythe OS
16. Scythe KO
17. Scythe OS
18. Wyvang KO
19. Scythe OS
20. Scythe KO

Wyvang: 7 (2 OS, 5 KO)
Scythe: 13 (11 OS, 2 KO)
Wyvang Win %: 35.0%

You don't need sixty grams to be a good defender

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Haha, yeah, Reviser BD145 defense is pretty screwed, that much is true. We need to start looking at alternatives

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4D Customs (Click to View)

• MF-L Phantom (Attack) Cygnus 85MF
  
• MF-H Scythe Uranus 85RS
  
• MF-H Flash Orion W145MF
  
• MF-H Basalt Horogium TR145R2F
  
• Duo Cygnus 160PD
  

MFB Customs (Click to View)

• MSF-H Reviser Dragooon SA165EWD
  
• MSF-H Bahamdia Ifraid SA165R2F
  
• MSF-H Wyvang Wyvang GB145R2F
  

Haha, agreed with *Ginga*. I've been curious to know Wyvang's performance when synchromed with itself and it seems pretty boss. Can you also try it with CH120 (145 height) to see how it does?

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DEFENSE IS DEAD

MSF Wyvang Wyvang GB145R2F vs. MF-H Scythe Pisces 85RS
Scythe always launched first.

Detail Results (Click to View)

1. Scythe OS
2. Scythe OS
3. Wyvang KO
4. Scythe OS
5. Wyvang KO
6. Scythe OS
7. Wyvang OS
8. Scythe OS
9. Wyvang KO
10. Wyvang KO
11. Scythe OS
12. Scythe OS
13. Scythe OS
14. Wyvang OS
15. Scythe OS
16. Scythe KO
17. Scythe OS
18. Wyvang KO
19. Scythe OS
20. Scythe KO

Wyvang: 7 (2 OS, 5 KO)
Scythe: 13 (11 OS, 2 KO)
Wyvang Win %: 35.0%

You don't need sixty grams to be a good defender

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Haha, yeah, Reviser BD145 defense is pretty screwed, that much is true. We need to start looking at alternatives

Yeah but isn't that mainly due to the height disadvantage? You gonna do my request at some point?

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You gonna do my request at some point?

Sorry, I hadn't seen you post it! I just finished it up, and Wyvang handles Dragooon BD145RDF rather well:

MSF Wyvang Wyvang GB145R2F vs. MSF Reviser Dragooon BD145RDF
Dragooon always launched first.

Detail Results (Click to View)

1. Wyvang KO
2. Wyvang KO
3. Wyvang KO
4. Dragooon KO
5. Wyvang KO
6. Dragooon OS
7. Dragooon OS
8. Wyvang KO
9. Wyvang KO
10. Wyvang KO
11. Dragooon OS
12. Wyvang KO
13. Wyvang KO
14. Dragooon KO
15. Wyvang KO
16. Dragooon KO
17. Tie; Wyvang KO
18. Wyvang KO
19. Wyvang KO
20. Tie; Wyvang KO

Wyvang: 14 (0 OS, 14 KO)
Dragooon: 6 (3 OS, 3 KO)
Wyvang Win %: 70.0%

Also, could you try this agasint MF-H Duo Cancer BD145RB? It seemed to give my Wyvang some issues. Not sure if it is the fact that it is worn though.

Good lord, you're right, Duo is hard to KO with Wyvang. I managed to get a 40% win rate, but just barely:

MSF Wyvang Wyvang GB145R2F vs. MF-H Duo Gasher BD145RB
Duo always launched first.

Detail Results (Click to View)

1. Wyvang KO
2. Duo OS
3. Wyvang KO
4. Duo OS
5. Wyvang KO
6. Tie; Duo OS
7. Duo OS
8. Duo OS
9. Duo OS
10. Wyvang KO
11. Duo OS
12. Wyvang KO
13. Wyvang KO
14. Duo OS
15. Duo KO
16. Duo KO
17. Duo OS
18. Duo OS
19. Wyvang KO
20. Wyvang KO

Wyvang: 8 (0 OS, 8 KO)
Duo: 12 (10 OS, 2 KO)
Wyvang Win %: 40.0%


EDIT: I added the results to the OP!

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4D Customs (Click to View)

• MF-L Phantom (Attack) Cygnus 85MF
  
• MF-H Scythe Uranus 85RS
  
• MF-H Flash Orion W145MF
  
• MF-H Basalt Horogium TR145R2F
  
• Duo Cygnus 160PD
  

MFB Customs (Click to View)

• MSF-H Reviser Dragooon SA165EWD
  
• MSF-H Bahamdia Ifraid SA165R2F
  
• MSF-H Wyvang Wyvang GB145R2F
  

Definitely wanting to see Wyvang Dragooon SA165 R2F's results VS. MF-H Duo Gasher BD145RB in comparison with Wyvang Wyvang.

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Quick note: Duo will usually do better against Synchroms than a Synchrom itself, because there is much less to latch onto. I don't really know how to fix that except maybe using a taller track to force smash, but then it may do much worse against BD145. I think you should try SA165(Lower), though.

I might have to get another Wyvang just for this combo though. It really is an amazing wheel and one of my favorite parts ever.

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I would love to have an extra Wyvang, my combo is Wyvange Begirados AD145 R2F, I knew that if it were synchromed with itself, it'd work better

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Veteran, just getting back into the sway of things

Hey, can someone test it with R145? because it can be a 145 track, but I think is the only one that is not plastic and also was used for anti attackers

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I hate Argentinian customs!

Can killerken substitue wyvang? cause killerken also has the small portrusion in its side.To get 2 wyvang would be very hard (i need to have a lot of money i have 1 wyvang) . I tried a similiar combo Killerken Wyvang GB145RF it worked well.Well,could you try it with killerken ?

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Never Give up Without a Fight
Thou if you can't fight give up

There is absolutely no substitute for Wyvang if you want these kind of results. Before I got my second Wyvang I was using Goreim Wyvang, which works quite well, but there is a significant jump in performance with 2 Wyvangs.

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My combos (Click to View)

MSF-(H) Wyvang Wyvang GB145R2F/RF (teamwork combo with Ingulit)
MSF-H-Dragooon/Bahamdia Dragooon SP230GF (teamwork combo with Ga'Hooleone)
MSF-Gryph Gryph E230BSF
Genbull Genbull SR200TB/CS
Ifraid Dragooon F: D
Gargole Dragooon BD145EDS
MSF-Begirados Begirados BD145RF
Pegasis Dragooon S130LRF
Phoenic Balro TR145MF
MSF-L-Gryph Gryph SA165(normal)GF (Zero-G format)

Talking about other chrome wheels, you tried with Girago? (I have two Wyvangs, so I know its probably best "Wyvang Wyvang" than anything alse for this)

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I hate Argentinian customs!

Can you test it against hard-core tornado stallers?
Phantom Cancer/ Flash Belzeeb/ Duo Cancer(Yeah, Duo) W145 MF?
P.S.- Belzeeb comes with which bey by the way?

Don't scold me for that Duo tornado staller- I have found it to be interesting enough...

P.S.- Belzeeb comes with which bey by the way?

Bakushin Beelzeb T125XF and Hell Beelzeb 125XF from Random Booster 9.

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