I know that you are probably already laughing at the combo, but humor me for a min. So we all know that F : D works off centrifugal force to mode swap. I recently had the thought that another factor comes into play with its mode swap…..weight. The tip will obviously retract sooner if the bey is heavier, because, well, it is what is supporting the weight of the bey. This theory brought me to trying F : D on synchromes. And let me tell you, I was surprised because this has shown results in OSing (and sometimes KOing) defense, KOing stamina, and even acting like an anti-attack combo!

I know in the past, several people have tried weak launching F : D combos so that the SF mode doesn’t activate, and the bey just doesn’t have the speed to KO anything. With the weight of synchromes, you can launch stronger without activating SF, and from my experience, still have enough speed to KO.

With this particular combo, you get 2 benefits of weak launching, one to get max speed and control with the RF mode, and two, the spin steal of a left spin combo. The first couple of hits really take a chunk out of the opponent’s stamina if it doesn’t just out right KO them. And Because F : D is so wide, the combo is actually quite stable at the end of a battle, which really helps it (in spite of the rubber) OS an opponent it couldn’t or didn’t KO.

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The choice of F : D has already been explained, and Dragooon is obviously to make it left spin. Ifraid was chosen because out of the wheels I own (Dragooon, Phoenic, Gryph, Reviser, and Ifraid x2) it performs the best overall. Phoenic helps KO a little more than Ifraid, but is not as good when it comes down to a spin equalizing battling. Gryph didn’t show that it could do anything better than Ifraid. Reviser is the opposite of Phoenic, it doesn’t KO as well (probably due to its lower recoil) but it OS a tad better than Ifraid. This combo needs a certain amount of recoil for two main reasons. One, since it won’t be going full speed, you need it to help KO. I will explain the second reason in the launch section. So in my honest opinion, Ifraid is just a safer bet because it provides enough recoil, and still seems to have enough balance to OS things it cannot KO.

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This is a very launch dependent combo. Against almost everything you want to launch just hard enough NOT to activate SF mode, and slightly bank it. This takes a little practice because since F : D is so wide, and the combo is moving so fast, it’s easy to self KO. I am not going to lie to you, I still don’t have it down to where I never self KO. However, against something you know you can’t KO, another effective (and harder to pull off) way to launch it, is by launching hard enough to where SF is active for only a few hits. This allows the combo to leach as much spin as possible before it turns into a spin equalizing battle, and then kind of “run away” (by RF activating) with the spin it stole. This brings us to the second reason you want a certain amount of recoil. When it is in SF mode, you are usually battling over the center. You want this combo to be kicked out on to the slope when RF activates. If RF mode activates while on the slope, then it will start an auto almost flower pattern. If it activates closer to the center, then it will go into a tornado stall. Also, if you bank really deep with this launch, I have noticed that sometimes it will act like RF for one, maybe two hits, and then straighten up into SF. Against attack (and anything high recoil), you never want SF to activate.

Now on to the tests:
I am going ahead and apologizing for not having every top tier combo. I just got into Beyblade a few months ago and I am still working on building up my collection.

BB-10 attack stadium
Beylauncher L, Beylauncher, launcher rubbers on both
On all Basalt combos, Kerbecs was aligned properly (a full chain across from staircase, and where 2 chains meet over staircase)

Ifraid Dragooon F : D vs. MF-Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS (calm) (Click to View)

BK launched first and was straight shot
Banked ID, and launched hard enough for SF to be active for a few hits.
ID - 15 wins (10 OS, 5 KO)
BP - 5 wins (3 OS, 2 KOs, came from a bad launch and ID self KOing)
2 Ties and 1 DKO, all redone
ID win percentage = 75%
A few times I didn’t get the launch right and it wasn’t hard enough to activate SF. This resulted in the self KOs and a couple of KOs on Basalt. Seeing that, I believe if I had not tried to activate SF at all, then I would have had more KOs on Basalt.

I did some tests against Basalt Kerbecs 230CS, but I cannot find where I wrote them down. However, the only time Ifraid Dragooon F : D didn’t KO Basalt Kerbecs 230CS was the one or two times I self KOed from a bad launch. Well, I wanted to see if E230 could do any better. The disk on E230 was not in boost mode (the disk was pointing down where it can move up and down more)

Ifraid Dragooon F : D vs. MF-Basalt Kerbecs E230CS (calm) (Click to View)

BK launched first, and straight shot.
Banked ID, and launched just hard enough NOT to activate SF mode a few times, and launched hard enough for SF to be active for a few hits. (Sorry, I forgot to note which rounds I did which launch)
Straight Shot BK.
ID - 17 wins (15 OS, 2 KO)
BK - 3 win (3 OS)
2 Ties, both redone
ID win percentage = 85%
The OSs BK had was due to ID getting pinched in between Basalt and E230 as it toppled (that was kind of cool to see lol).

Ifraid Dragooon F : D vs. Death Bull W145WD (new WD) (Click to View)

DB launched first, and straight shot
Banked ID, and Launch just hard enough to NOT activate SF
ID - 12 (12 KO)
DB – 18 (15 OS, 3 times ID self KOed)
6 Ties, all redone
ID win percentage = 40%
You had to go for the KO here. I swear Death is immune to any kind of spin stealer/equalizer. I went 30 rounds on this one cause it was so back and forth. ID would have KO after KO, and then for several rounds Death just wouldn’t leave the stadium for anything. These results could be a lot better if I had more practice. It’s all about launch consistency with this battle.

I did some anti-attack testing, even though it’s really hard to do by yourself.

Ifraid Dragooon F : D vs. MF-Beat Lynx GB145R2F (prime) (Click to View)

Alternated launches, ID launched first on odd, BL launched first on even.
Banked ID, and launched just hard enough to not activate SF mode.
Sliding shot BL (Shot like Meow! did on his video)
ID - 16 wins (12 OS, 4 KO)
BL - 4 wins (4 KO)
1 DKO, it was redone
ID win percentage = 80%
Beat would come to a screeching halt when it made contact with ID. I mean, it was like it would just stop and then move out of IDs way.

Attack Benchmark: (Click to View)

MF-Beat Lynx GB145R2F vs. MF-Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS (calm)
BB-10
Beylauncher L/R & Beylauncher
Basalt straight shot, Beat sliding shot (Shot like Meow! did on his video)
BL - 14 wins (all KOs)
BK - 6 wins (5 OS, 1 lucky wall save KO)
1 Tie (DKO) that was redone
Beat win percentage = 70%

Side note: (Click to View)

I did some very informal tests against other synchromes, and it still did fairly well. The one thing it had some issues with was Gryph Reviser BD145RDF. I was able to KO it a couple of times but could not OS it. It was really RDF that gave me trouble. If I changed it to CS or RSF, then I could OS it. Also, check the face bolts of both beys after a couple of rounds to make sure they are still tight. I think because this grinds so hard in the opposite direction, sometimes it almost unscrews itself. Haha

Conclusion: (Click to View)

I personally think there is some real potential with F : D and synchromes. I know these are not mind blowing win percentages, but I honestly believe with more experience/testing they could be higher. I personally love the fact that it can compete with all styles of combos. I also know that these are not perfect top tier combos. I just wanted to get the idea out there so all of you could try it out.

As I get more zero g wheels I will try them out with Dragooon to see what would be the best to use. As I said, you have to have the right amount of recoil with this combo. I have just about convinced myself to purchase another Dragooon because I believe Dragooon Dragooon could be the way to go with this. From what I have read about Dragooon^2, it seems it might have the right amount of recoil you need for this combo. However, I do like the fact that there is currently a right spin wheel on bottom. That way if you know that your opponent is using a left spin combo you could flip this combo to right spin and theoretically get the same results.

I would love some feedback on this, and hopefully some of you with more parts and experience could do some tests!

Thank you Meow! for your videos on how to launch Beat (they helped me extremely). And a huge thank you to Ingulit and Dark_Mousy for reviewing/editing the draft of this thread!!

Updates:
Ifraid Dragooon F : D vs. MF-Duo Bull BD145CS
Standard procedure
Banked ID, shot hard enough not to activate SF
Straight shot Duo

Details (Click to View)

1)ID - OS
Tie
2)DB - OS
3)ID - OS
4)ID - OS
5)ID - OS
Tie
6)ID - OS
7)ID - OS
8)DB - OS
9)ID - OS
Tie
10)ID - OS
Tie
11)DB - OS
12)ID - OS
13)ID - OS
14)ID - OS
15)ID - OS
16)DB - OS
Tie
Tie
17)DB - OS
18)ID - OS
19)ID - OS
20)ID -OS

ID - 15 wins (all OS)
DB - 5 wins (all OS)
6 Ties, all redone
Ifraid Dragooon win % = 75%

Ifraid Dragooon F : D vs. Duo Bull 230D
Standard Procedure
ID banked, shot hard enough to not activate SF
DB straight shot

Details (Click to View)

1)ID - KO
2)ID - KO
3)DB - OS
4)DB - OS
5)ID - KO
6)DB - OS
7)ID - KO
8)DB - OS
9)DB - OS
10)DB - OS
11)DB - OS
12)DB - OS
13)DB - OS
14)ID - KO
15)DB - OS
16)DB - OS
17)ID - KO
18)ID - KO
19)DB - OS
20)DB - OS

ID - 7 wins (all KO)
DB - 13 wins (all OS)
ID win % = %35

Ifraid Dragooon vs. MF-Flash Scorpio W145R2F (prime)
I launched Flash, my buddy launched Ifraid Dragooon
Beylauncher, and Beylauncher L/R
BB-10 attack stadium

Details (Click to View)

1)ID - OS
2)ID - OS
3)ID - KO
4)ID - KO
5)ID - KO
6)ID - KO
7)ID - OS
DKO
8)FS - KO
9)ID - OS
10)ID - OS
DKO
11)FS - KO
12)ID - KO
13)FS - KO
14)ID - OS
15)ID - OS
16)ID - KO
17)ID - OS
DKO
18)FS - KO
DKO
19)FS - KO
20)ID - KO

ID - 15 wins (7 KOs, 8 OS)
FS - 5 wins (all KO)
ID win % = 75%

Everything you've tested it against is outclassed.

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I clearly stated that I understand these are not top tier combos, and that this was just a start to get the idea out there. Maybe you could help me out with some tests?

Well i ask people to test out this combo with other top tier beys.

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Well i ask people to test out this combo with other top tier beys.

I'll do some test after work

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This combo is... weird. I'd say.

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I messed around with F: D spinning left a while ago. Worked quite well. It didn't quite beat anything I tried. Came very close every time though.

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Did you try it with a synchrome? The weight makes a big difference.

And yes Chips, this is a weird combo, but it is a lot of fun.

Thank you Mousy! Looking forward to them!

As far as top tier goes, I just got Flash, and when I get a little more comfortable with using it, I am going to do my best to test against some Flash combos.

Did you try it with a synchrome? The weight makes a big difference.

No, just some of the left spinning MFB.

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Hay can some one make a video of it in action

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Hay can some one make a video of it in action

I can't make any promises, but I will try this weekend. I don't have a video camera but my parents do, and if the wife and I go to visit them this weekend, I will make a video.

I Don't Really Trust That The Combo Is That Good For Some Reason..........

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I Don't Really Trust That The Combo Is That Good For Some Reason..........

I can understand your doubt, but I promise you those are real results. It is all about the launch and finding out which launch is best for which opponent, then practicing that launch to where you can do it consistently. Kind of like how MLD CH120XF was.

Even though people test it and say it is good we need to see tournament results with this combo.

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Even though people test it and say it is good we need to see tournament results with this combo.

No we don't. That makes no sense whatsoever. We just need someone good at testing to test this against top tier stuff.

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Even though people test it and say it is good we need to see tournament results with this combo.

No we don't. That makes no sense whatsoever. We just need someone good at testing to test this against top tier stuff.

But aren't tournament results more important to see if this combo could do well because there is a huge difference by testing on their own and seeing how good this does in tournaments and even though a person is good at testing tests against top-tier stuff it would still need tournament results just to see how good it is cause as I said testing on your own and tournament results are different I am not trying to argue with you....I was just trying to tell that we need tournament results after further testing.I am not saying this combo is bad it just needs tournament results.

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Um no... People usually use it in a tournament after testing is done here. Also you're saying something so obvious it doesn't even need posting.

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Even though people test it and say it is good we need to see tournament results with this combo.

No we don't. That makes no sense whatsoever. We just need someone good at testing to test this against top tier stuff.

But aren't tournament results more important to see if this combo could do well because there is a huge difference by testing on their own and seeing how good this does in tournaments and even though a person is good at testing tests against top-tier stuff it would still need tournament results just to see how good it is cause as I said testing on your own and tournament results are different I am not trying to argue with you....I was just trying to tell that we need tournament results after further testing.I am not saying this combo is bad it just needs tournament results.

Every combination needs to be proven at tournaments, but people generally only start using things at tournaments after they have been tested.

So - Not only is your post completely unnecessary as ultra said - it's just a general thing that goes without saying for all combinations, but it's not even the top priority at the moment.

The whole post strikes me as trying to sound smart without saying anything of use or relevance, honestly, especially as "what is needed" had already been thoroughly addressed by others well before you posted.

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Tried this combo against my custom combo Killerken Goreim SA165WSF (No msf for both) in the Zero G Stadium...

Ifraid Dragooon always had the advantage of left rotation over my combo since it isn't supposed to respond to attacks from the opposite direction and kept winning.

I then switched SA165 from normal mode to attack mode and...




Ifraid Dragooon seemed to have hit a wall and started losing like mad . It couldn't even beat my combo unless SA165WSF lost control (when WSF has less grip on the stadium over SA) or was next to an exit pocket.


But it's zero g stadium but I just wanted to throw it out there. BB-10, ID had to KO it early or It'd be countered.

But it's zero g stadium but I just wanted to throw it out there. BB-10, ID had to KO it early or It'd be countered.

Awesome! Thank you for the input!

The good thing is you saw that ID had the ability to KO it. Did you try all 3 launches? (i.e. Launch full power, launch hard enough to activate SF for a short amount of time, and launch just hard enough not to activate SF) If you did try them all, which one worked the best? In the BB-10.

But it's zero g stadium but I just wanted to throw it out there. BB-10, ID had to KO it early or It'd be countered.

Awesome! Thank you for the input!

The good thing is you saw that ID had the ability to KO it. Did you try all 3 launches? (i.e. Launch full power, launch hard enough to activate SF for a short amount of time, and launch just hard enough not to activate SF) If you did try them all, which one worked the best? In the BB-10.

Weak launches forced Killerken Goreim to lose stamina slightly faster but ID wouldn't win since it was a weak launch and ID couldn't KO it unless Killerken Goreim lost control or ID bumped it near the stadium out area.

Full power launch provided the same results but longer battles for me

Finally got my Duo!

Ifraid Dragooon F : D vs. MF-Duo Bull BD145CS
Standard procedure
Banked ID, shot hard enough not to activate SF
Straight shot Duo

Details (Click to View)

1)ID - OS
Tie
2)DB - OS
3)ID - OS
4)ID - OS
5)ID - OS
Tie
6)ID - OS
7)ID - OS
8)DB - OS
9)ID - OS
Tie
10)ID - OS
Tie
11)DB - OS
12)ID - OS
13)ID - OS
14)ID - OS
15)ID - OS
16)DB - OS
Tie
Tie
17)DB - OS
18)ID - OS
19)ID - OS
20)ID -OS

ID - 15 wins (all OS)
DB - 5 wins (all OS)
6 Ties, all redone
Ifraid Dragooon win % = 75%

ID would constantly knock Duo off balance with one or two hits, and then come around, hit it again forcing Duo to scrape. This type of launch was the first and only launch I tried. I have not tried any of the other launches to see if they work better. The times Duo would win, it was because it was almost tornado stalling ID. It wasn't on the tornado ridge, but it was circling just far enough away that ID couldn't leach any spin. Honestly, the ties were probably in IDs favor, but I wanted to record obvious wins. I will work on testing against more Duo combos tonight.

That results doesn't really surprise me considering its a defence combo. Looking forward to some Duo stamina results.

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Ifraid Dragooon F : D vs. Duo Bull 230D
Standard Procedure
ID banked, shot hard enough to not activate SF
DB straight shot

Details (Click to View)

1)ID - KO
2)ID - KO
3)DB - OS
4)DB - OS
5)ID - KO
6)DB - OS
7)ID - KO
8)DB - OS
9)DB - OS
10)DB - OS
11)DB - OS
12)DB - OS
13)DB - OS
14)ID - KO
15)DB - OS
16)DB - OS
17)ID - KO
18)ID - KO
19)DB - OS
20)DB - OS

ID - 7 wins (all KO)
DB - 13 wins (all OS)
ID win % = %35

Duo 230D is definitely hard to beat, and ID cannot OS it. I am happy that ID has the ability to KO it, but I cannot do it consistently with the little bit of practice I've had. It was really hard for ID to get a clean hit on DB. A lot of the times when they would connect passing each other, it almost seemed like DB would jump ID. There were so many times when ID would get a good clean hit or push, DB was by a freakin wall. I am going to continue to try different launches to see if I can find one that works a little more consistent.