This Ban List is out of date. For the most up to date ban list, please see the Metal Fight Format Rulebook.

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:: MFB: Limited ::
Ban List Discussion

The new MFB: Limited format is unique among the other Beyblade formats in that it employs an extensive ban list, meaning certain parts are not allowed in tournament play. The reason there is a ban list is to remove parts deemed too powerful for the format, with the goal of creating a metagame where parts previously deemed uncompetitive have a chance to shine!

The process of determining which parts are too good and which aren't is more of an art rather than a science, and as such the current ban list is more than likely not perfect. There might be some parts that are legal that are truly backbreaking, or there might be some parts that are banned that might not actually need to be banned at all! As such, another goal of the format is to have a dynamic ban list, one that is updated frequently to remove parts that are problematic and to give currently banned parts a chance if they deserve one.

That's where this thread comes in: in order for the ban list to be dynamic, we need input from you, the Bladers! Is there a part that you think is way too good? Do you think something shouldn't be banned that is? As long as you provide a reasonable amount of detail in your posts, feel free to share your thoughts on the matter here!

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:: Ban List v1.5::
v1.5, 9/20/16

CHANGE LIST
Newly Banned

• CRYSTAL/ELEMENT WHEEL: Dark Knight/Ronin
  

Newly Unbanned

• WHEEL: Gravity (and all Perseus Clear Wheels)
  

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WHEELS

• All Synchroms (NOTE: Non-Synchromed Zero-G wheels are legal!)
  
• All 4D/Hyperblade Metal Wheels EXCEPT Jade
  
• Basalt
  
• Hell
  
• Libra
  

CRYSTAL/ELEMENT WHEELS

• Dark Knight/Ronin
  

TRACKS

• BD145
  
• SA165
  
• E230
  
• SP230
  

BOTTOMS

• RDF
  

Detailed Explanations (Click to View)

CHANGE LIST
Newly Banned

• CRYSTAL/ELEMENT WHEEL: Dark Knight/Ronin
  

Newly Unbanned

• WHEEL: Gravity (and all Perseus Clear Wheels)
  

WHEELS

• All Synchroms
  
  Explanation (Click to View)

  Synchroms (that is, Zero-G wheel combinations involving two chrome wheels) are simply too heavy for this format. We are looking to use wheels close to or under about 40g, and the 60+g Synchroms would be far too oppressive in this metagame. Note that non-Synchrom Zero-G wheel combinations (that is, one chrome wheel and one crystal wheel) ARE allowed!
  -=-=-
  
• All 4D/Hyperblade Metal Wheels EXCEPT Jade
  
  Explanation (Click to View)

  While not as bad as Synchroms, most 4D wheels are far heavier than this format's ideal weight, and as such these metal wheels are banned. Note that this only includes the metal wheels from Takara Tomy/Sonokong's "4D" series and Hasbro's "Hyperblade" series; Hasbro's "Metal Fury" metal wheels ARE legal, as they weigh substatially less. Also note that other parts of 4D beyblades, such as their tracks, tips, clear wheels, etc. ARE legal; only the metal wheels are banned!
  
  NOTE: As of v1.2, Jade is now legal for Limited play! Test results showed that it would not be too powerful in the Limited metagame despite its relatively high weight, and thus is has been unbanned!
  -=-=-
  
• Basalt
  
  Explanation (Click to View)

  Compared to the rest of our meta, Basalt is extremely heavy. When it was first released it dominated the metagame, and some argue it should have been banned prior to the release of the 4D series (a series whose weight creep is likely mostly due to Basalt's presence, in fact). If it were legal in this format it would almost certainly dominate, and as such it is banned.
  -=-=-
  
• Hell
  
  Explanation (Click to View)

  This might seem like an odd choice, but Hell is very heavy compared to the rest of the Limited meta and is better at just about everything than other Limited wheels. As such, at risk of it becoming a dominant wheel, it finds a spot on the ban list.
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• Libra
  
  Explanation (Click to View)

  Libra has, and always will be a threat to the metagame due to it's ability to perform well not only as one of the–if not the–best Defense Wheels, but as a Stamina Wheel with a slight offensive upside. As a legal part up until v1.4 of the Limited Format banlist, it has proven itself through competition to be too strong to allow it's continued use. While it was legal, it appeared in close to 20% of all Winning Combinations. It's versatility is why it has been placed on the banlist.

CRYSTAL/ELEMENT WHEELS

• Dark Knight/Ronin
  
  Explanation (Click to View)

  Since the previous v1.4 ban list update was announced where both Libra and Omega were banned, Dark Knight has risen to prominence in the Limited Format metagame. Its use in powerful Attack types with incredibly wide reach in terms of their ability to KO Beyblades of all heights, its ability to outspin some Defense types if it doesn’t KO them, its ability to be paired with any Zero-G/Shogun Steel Chrome/Warrior Wheel, and being left-spin in a predominantly right-spin series have made it into a choice that is undeniably versatile and safe, making other powerful but less versatile and more specialized Attack types less likely to be used. It is for these reasons that we have chosen to ban Dark Knight for this iteration of the Limited Format ban list.

TRACKS

• BD145
  
  Explanation (Click to View)

  Ever since BD145's release, tracks with huge plastic disks tended to dominate the metagame. They are not only extremely heavy; they also provide nigh-impenetrable defense against low attackers, and generally shut out any attacker using a wheel that falls within the ideal Limited weight range. Because they would make defense far too dominate in the Limited meta, all of the tracks based on large plastic disks are banned, which obviously includes BD145.
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• SA165
  
  Explanation (Click to View)

  This is banned simply because it is based on a large plastic disk, which makes it both too heavy and too powerful for the Limited meta. See BD145's explanation for detailed reasons why this is banned.
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• E230
  
  Explanation (Click to View)

  This is banned simply because it is based on a large plastic disk, which makes it both too heavy and too powerful for the Limited meta. See BD145's explanation for detailed reasons why this is banned.
  -=-=-
  
• SP230
  
  Explanation (Click to View)

  This is banned simply because it is based on a large plastic disk, which makes it both too heavy and too powerful for the Limited meta. See BD145's explanation for detailed reasons why this is banned.
  -=-=-
  

BOTTOMS

• RS
  
  Explanation (Click to View)

  This bottom is banned because it is far too powerful for defense, such that it can completely stonewall every Limited attacker that tries to KO it. For the sake of balancing the four main types of Beyblade against each other, this bottom is banned from Limited play.
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• RDF
  
  Explanation (Click to View)

  This bottom has the same ability to stonewall Limited attackers as RS and RB, and it comes with the added bonus of hosing opposite-spin as well. As such, it is far too powerful, and is thus banned from Limited play.
  -=-=-
  

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:: Detailed Banned Part List ::
v1.5, 9/20/16

Detailed Banned Part List v1.5 (Click to View)

Metal Wheels:

• Basalt/Twisted
  .
  
• Hell/Hades
  - NOTE: "Hades" refers to Hasbro's name for the Hell Metal Wheel, not the Clear Wheel they renamed Darkhelm
  .
  
• Libra
  

4D/Hyperblade Metal Wheels:

• Beat
  .
  
  
• Big Bang
  [Hyperblade] Cosmic
  .
  
  
• Blitz
  [Hyperblade] Blitz
  .
  
  
• Death
  .
  
  
• Diablo
  .
  
  
• Duo
  .
  
  
• Fang
  .
  
  
• Flash
  .
  
  
• Fusion
  .
  
  
• Kreis
  .
  
  
• L-Drago Destroy Metal Frame*
  [Hyperblade] L-Drago Destructor Metal Frame*
  .
  
  
• L-Drago Guardian Metal Frame*
  [Hyperblade] L-Drago Guardian Metal Frame*
  .
  
  
• Phantom
  [Hyperblade] Phantom
  .
  
  
• Scythe
  .
  
  
• Variares
  [Hyperblade] Variares
  .
  
  
• Wing
  [Hyperblade] Wing (from the Nintendo DS game)
  

* The L-Drago Destroy/Destructor and the L-Drago Guardian wheels come in two parts: a "Metal Frame" (the heavy metal part) and the "Core" (the light plastic part). The Core used by L-Drago Destroy, L-Drago Guardian, and their various Hasbro counterparts is considered the same part throughout all releases and as such is interchangeable between them. This means that the Cores of L-Drago Destroy, L-Drago Guardian and Hyperblade L-Drago Destructor (referred to by Hasbro as the L-Drago III Energy Wheel in both Hyperblade and Non-Hyperblade Releases) are legal within Limited Format when used with Hasbro's Metal Fury "Guardian" and Non-Hyperblades "Destructor". The only things that are banned in Limited are the listed Metal Frames.

Chrome Wheels:

• All Synchroms
  - Note: Non-Synchromed Zero G Wheels are legal.
  

Crystal/Element Wheels:

• Dark Knight/Ronin
  

Tracks:

• BD145
  .
  
  
• E230
  .
  
  
• SA165
  .
  
  
• SP230
  

Bottoms:

• RDF (Rubber Defense Flat)
  .
  

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:: Old Ban Lists ::

v1.5, 9/20/16 (Click to View)

CHANGE LIST
Newly Banned

• CRYSTAL/ELEMENT WHEEL: Dark Knight/Ronin
  

Newly Unbanned

• WHEEL: Gravity (and all Perseus Clear Wheels)
  

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WHEELS

• All Synchroms (NOTE: Non-Synchromed Zero-G wheels are legal!)
  
• All 4D/Hyperblade Metal Wheels EXCEPT Jade
  
• Basalt
  
• Hell
  
• Libra
  

CRYSTAL/ELEMENT WHEELS

• Dark Knight/Ronin
  

TRACKS

• BD145
  
• SA165
  
• E230
  
• SP230
  

BOTTOMS

• RDF
  

v1.4, 9/7/15 (Click to View)

CHANGE LIST
Newly Banned

• WHEEL: Libra
  
• WHEEL: Omega
  

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
WHEELS

• All Synchroms (NOTE: Non-Synchromed Zero-G wheels are legal!)
  
• All 4D/Hyperblade Metal Wheels EXCEPT Jade
  
• Basalt
  
• Hell
  
• Gravity
  
• Libra
  

TRACKS

• BD145
  
• SA165
  
• E230
  
• SP230
  

BOTTOMS

• RDF
  

v1.3, 5/3/15 (Click to View)

As of v1.3, RS is now unbanned! After seeing the power of Attack types in a format with only RSF and RB available to Bladers for Defense, it was decided to bring back RS to give them more of a fighting chance. Attack types can actually defeat RS, but it is much more difficult. This is balanced by the fact that unlike RSF and RB which can be used for semi-aggressive Attack types, RS has a singular use for Defense. This means that it is a high-risk, high-reward type of part and should therefore accomplish the goal of curbing the power of Attack types in Limited Format, if only slightly.

CHANGE LIST
Newly Unbanned

• BOTTOM: RS
  

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WHEELS

• All Synchroms (NOTE: Non-Synchromed Zero-G wheels are legal!)
  
• All 4D/Hyperblade Metal Wheels EXCEPT Omega and Jade
  
• Basalt
  
• Hell
  
• Gravity
  

TRACKS

• BD145
  
• SA165
  
• E230
  
• SP230
  

BOTTOMS

• RDF
  

v1.2, 3/1/14 (Click to View)

CHANGE LIST
Newly Unbanned

• WHEEL: Jade
  

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WHEELS

• All Synchroms (NOTE: Non-Synchromed Zero-G wheels are legal!)
  
• All 4D/Hyperblade Metal Wheels EXCEPT Omega and Jade
  
• Basalt
  
• Hell
  
• Gravity
  

TRACKS

• BD145
  
• SA165
  
• E230
  
• SP230
  

BOTTOMS

• RS
  
• RDF
  

v1.1, 1/20/14 (Click to View)

CHANGE LIST
Newly Banned

• WHEEL: Gravity
  

Newly Unbanned

• WHEEL: Omega
  
• BOTTOM: RB
  

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WHEELS

• All Synchroms (NOTE: Non-Synchromed Zero-G wheels are legal!)
  
• All 4D/Hyperblade Metal Wheels EXCEPT Omega
  
• Basalt
  
• Hell
  
• Gravity
  

TRACKS

• BD145
  
• SA165
  
• E230
  
• SP230
  

BOTTOMS

• RS
  
• RDF
  

v1.0, 12/4/13 (Click to View)

CHANGE LIST

• This is the first ban list, meaning all banned parts are new.
  

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WHEELS

• All Synchroms
  
  Explanation (Click to View)

  Synchroms (that is, Zero-G wheel combinations involving two chrome wheels) are simply too heavy for this format. We are looking to use wheels close to or under about 40g, and the 60+g Synchroms would be far too oppressive in this metagame. Note that non-Synchrom Zero-G wheel combinations (that is, one chrome wheel and one crystal wheel) ARE allowed!
  -=-=-
  
• All 4D/Hyperblade Metal Wheels
  
  Explanation (Click to View)

  While not as bad as Synchroms, most 4D wheels are far heavier than this format's ideal weight, and as such these metal wheels are banned. Note that this only includes the metal wheels from Takara Tomy/Sonokong's "4D" series and Hasbro's "Hyperblade" series; Hasbro's "Metal Fury" metal wheels ARE legal, as they weigh substatially less. Also note that other parts of 4D beyblades, such as their tracks, tips, clear wheels, etc. ARE legal; only the metal wheels are banned!
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• Basalt
  
  Explanation (Click to View)

  Compared to the rest of our meta, Basalt is extremely heavy. When it was first released it dominated the metagame, and some argue it should have been banned prior to the release of the 4D series (a series whose weight creep is likely mostly due to Basalt's presence, in fact). If it were legal in this format it would almost certainly dominate, and as such it is banned.
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• Hell
  
  Explanation (Click to View)

  This might seem like an odd choice, but Hell is very heavy compared to the rest of the Limited meta and is better at just about everything than other Limited wheels. As such, at risk of it becoming a dominant wheel, it finds a spot on the ban list.
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TRACKS

• BD145
  
  Explanation (Click to View)

  Ever since BD145's release, tracks with huge plastic disks tended to dominate the metagame. They are not only extremely heavy; they also provide nigh-impenetrable defense against low attackers, and generally shut out any attacker using a wheel that falls within the ideal Limited weight range. Because they would make defense far too dominate in the Limited meta, all of the tracks based on large plastic disks are banned, which obviously includes BD145.
  -=-=-
  
• SA165
  
  Explanation (Click to View)

  This is banned simply because it is based on a large plastic disk, which makes it both too heavy and too powerful for the Limited meta. See BD145's explanation for detailed reasons why this is banned.
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• E230
  
  Explanation (Click to View)

  This is banned simply because it is based on a large plastic disk, which makes it both too heavy and too powerful for the Limited meta. See BD145's explanation for detailed reasons why this is banned.
  -=-=-
  
• SP230
  
  Explanation (Click to View)

  This is banned simply because it is based on a large plastic disk, which makes it both too heavy and too powerful for the Limited meta. See BD145's explanation for detailed reasons why this is banned.
  -=-=-
  

BOTTOMS

• RS
  
  Explanation (Click to View)

  This bottom is banned because it is far too powerful for defense, such that it can completely stonewall every Limited attacker that tries to KO it. For the sake of balancing the four main types of Beyblade against each other, this bottom is banned from Limited play.
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• RB
  
  Explanation (Click to View)

  This bottom is banned for the same reasons RS is banned: it is far too powerful for defense, such that it can completely stonewall every Limited attacker that tries to KO it. For the sake of balancing the four main types of Beyblade against each other, this bottom is banned from Limited play.
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• RDF
  
  Explanation (Click to View)

  This bottom has the same ability to stonewall Limited attackers as RS and RB, and it comes with the added bonus of hosing opposite-spin as well. As such, it is far too powerful, and is thus banned from Limited play.
  -=-=-
  

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This section is no longer going to be updated frequently, but it is being kept here for reference if anyone was interested.

:: Questionable Parts ::

This section is a list of the parts that hold a questionable state in the metagame, meaning these parts might need to be either banned or unbanned depending on how they do in testing. This list is by no means exhaustive, but is rather a list of the more obviously questionable parts. There is also a list of parts that have not been tested very much at all; these parts are legal, but only because there isn't a lot of good information on whether or not they need to be banned. If you have the opportunity, please test these parts against popular customs in the Limited metagame and then let us know what you think!

POTENTIALLY BANNABLE

WHEELS

• Libra
  
• Scythe
  

TRACKS

• F230
  

BOTTOMS

• CF
  
• GCF
  

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POTENTIALLY UNBANNABLE

WHEELS

• Kreis
  
• Omega
  
• Jade
  
• Fusion
  

TRACKS

• Currently None
  

BOTTOMS

• RS
  
• RB
  
• RDF
  

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NEEDS MORE TESTING

WHEELS

• Beat (Metal Fury)
  
• Blitz (Metal Fury)
  
• Cosmic (Metal Fury)
  
• Duo (Metal Fury)
  
• Fang (Metal Fury)
  
• Firefuse (Metal Fury)
  
• L-Drago Destructor (Metal Fury)
  
• L-Drago Guardian (Metal Fury)
  
• Phantom (Metal Fury)
  
• Proto Nemesis (Metal Fury)
  
• Wing (Metal Fury)
  

TRACKS

• Currently None
  

BOTTOMS

• Currently None
  

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4D Customs (Click to View)

• MF-L Phantom (Attack) Cygnus 85MF
  
• MF-H Scythe Uranus 85RS
  
• MF-H Flash Orion W145MF
  
• MF-H Basalt Horogium TR145R2F
  
• Duo Cygnus 160PD
  

MFB Customs (Click to View)

• MSF-H Reviser Dragooon SA165EWD
  
• MSF-H Bahamdia Ifraid SA165R2F
  
• MSF-H Wyvang Wyvang GB145R2F
  

WOOHOO!!!!

One question... Can we TOSS F230???

This would be perfect for that! If you wanna throw away dominant parts, F230 should be trashed. Just my opinion.

Oh Gees, I need to get my hands on a Lightning, heheh.

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WOOHOO!!!!

One question... Can we TOSS F230???

This would be perfect for that! If you wanna throw away dominant parts, F230 should be trashed. Just my opinion.

Oh Gees, I need to get my hands on a Lightning, heheh.

It's in the potential ban list, but needs more testing in how they do with other combos. I'm pretty sure it will get KOed by anything speedy, so it won't (most-likely) be a threat in this new format, but i'm just speculating.

I love this new format ! No more of the same combo over an over.

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Oooh! I'm really liking the look of this. Seems like it's an excellent way to challenge advanced players.

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Oooh! I'm really liking the look of this. Seems like it's an excellent way to challenge advanced players.

Given a wider range of stuff works and this stuff is cheaper than more recent parts, it's probably more accessible than any other format, so it's hardly just for the bey-elite haha.

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With the young kids I pull in, explaining something like a limited format won't be as easy A lot of my new players come in with fresh Shogun Steel they just bought at Walmart too.

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A lot of my new players come in with fresh Shogun Steel they just bought at Walmart too.

Shogun Steel Beyblades are legal in this format, just not Synchroms!

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4D Customs (Click to View)

• MF-L Phantom (Attack) Cygnus 85MF
  
• MF-H Scythe Uranus 85RS
  
• MF-H Flash Orion W145MF
  
• MF-H Basalt Horogium TR145R2F
  
• Duo Cygnus 160PD
  

MFB Customs (Click to View)

• MSF-H Reviser Dragooon SA165EWD
  
• MSF-H Bahamdia Ifraid SA165R2F
  
• MSF-H Wyvang Wyvang GB145R2F
  

Aha! I can't believe my brain didn't process that!

This ties in perfectly, then, with the new Unsynchromed Zero-G Beyblade Discussion thread!

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Aha! I can't believe my brain didn't process that!

This ties in perfectly, then, with the new Unsynchromed Zero-G Beyblade Discussion thread!

It does indeed! We found it really funny how a lot of threads like that started popping up right before the announcement of Limited, haha!

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4D Customs (Click to View)

• MF-L Phantom (Attack) Cygnus 85MF
  
• MF-H Scythe Uranus 85RS
  
• MF-H Flash Orion W145MF
  
• MF-H Basalt Horogium TR145R2F
  
• Duo Cygnus 160PD
  

MFB Customs (Click to View)

• MSF-H Reviser Dragooon SA165EWD
  
• MSF-H Bahamdia Ifraid SA165R2F
  
• MSF-H Wyvang Wyvang GB145R2F
  

I imagine my digging for pre launch info in case anything it covered was too good n that thread looks less than subtle, in hindsight haha. Gotta get data

Also speak for yourself Ingulit, I was having to try to hold off giving anything away when given opportunities to gather valuable pre-launch data on certain things. Torture, I tell you, nothing funny about it!

I can't wait for f230 tests to start rolling in, gravity f230 cf looked very dangerous from the limited tests we had on it (raigeko13 tried it out with a Hasbro one, it wasn't OSing earth gb145cs but it was really close). Also curious to see how metal fury wheels do as those are definitely scary due to size and the exaggerated designs they have from the power creep of the wheels they're based on. Always felt as though they were designed for pre-basalt times so now we'll see.

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Why isn't CS banned but RB is?

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Pony King ? God, can't believe I typed this. I have to put my keyboard in the dishwasher now...

dude are you a gangster

LOL did you asked Midnight to take that pic?

When a monochrome picture is posted on WBO, it doesn't mean that it's always from Midnight.

I wouldn't trust someone with that many Cancer faces.

Well damn.

@[The Supreme One] Soul Baez V145AS

There's nothing else really to do or say except wait for the Superbowl, but I'm only here so I don't get fined.



Time. *gets up and leaves*

We won't have tournaments in the winter. Cause we are not one of those Canadian people where they just go outside like nothing happened to their hands.

i like my coffee like i like my men B)



i don't like coffee

I never have.

*Ginga*.. you're drunk bro... go home.. : )

Tbh SGMS & BDMS are kinda worthless.
MSUV is a far better spent investment; DGMF is even better IMO.

Um what? You're just saying that because you're a dragoon fanboy...

Why would I be suspended????

HMS summarised:




Anything not Tornado Type S:  Wolborg will leave you #rekt




Otherwise:  Go crazy with Ultimate Grip Flat 




For something less cookie-cutter:  Jiraiya sure is sexy

Is Wolborg 2 useless for competitive play?

Extremely useless. 
Now, if you come upon one I'll just PM you my address so you can throw it away. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

I wasn't looking for Beyblade Underwear, I swear

Why isn't CS banned but RB is?

I don't see why it should be ? It's not even that great of a Defense bottom to pose a threat. If it did, it would be considered and be updated into the next version of the list.

+ Ya gotta have some decent bottoms otherwise there won't be any Defense types ! haha

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Why isn't CS banned but RB is?

That's a good question! I'll take a shot at answering it, but th!nk could probably give a more detailed answer since he was the one who did the main tests for that.

RS, RB, and RDF all have a little too much pure defense for Limited attackers to ever be able to KO, whereas CS, RSF, etc. were more reasonable (they're very good for defense, but they aren't oppressively good). The idea is that if RS, RB, or RDF were legal in this format, attackers would be totally unviable, whereas with them banned things are a little more balanced between the four types of Beyblade.

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4D Customs (Click to View)

• MF-L Phantom (Attack) Cygnus 85MF
  
• MF-H Scythe Uranus 85RS
  
• MF-H Flash Orion W145MF
  
• MF-H Basalt Horogium TR145R2F
  
• Duo Cygnus 160PD
  

MFB Customs (Click to View)

• MSF-H Reviser Dragooon SA165EWD
  
• MSF-H Bahamdia Ifraid SA165R2F
  
• MSF-H Wyvang Wyvang GB145R2F
  

Would unsynchromed beyblades be allowed?

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Thanks for the sig, Rock kyoya!

I'm going to disagree on RDF. In gerneral about RDF if an attacker hit the opposing bey with a RDF the RDF can go off balance and create a aggressive movement or possibly scrap BD145.

If we were going to ban Libra then we need to ban Pegasus then.

So basically were going back to Earth Aquario C145/ED145WB all over again.

And Hell MW? Hell is rather easy to beat.

How about Meteor L Drago? It Precession is overpowered aside being light.

Lighting L Drago. If BD145 unbanned it over for the limited metagame. #LightingTank

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I personally was thinking Meteo L Drago Might be a problem in this format considering B(Bearing Drive) and F230 are both in the format. I personally feel that Libra could be a problem considering the past. I don't have Libra yet, but I will soon. Once I do Ill do some testing.

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Before people potentially complain about the ban on RS, RB and RDF, I want to make a post to explain a bit.

Generally, Stamina has to worry about being knocked out by more aggressive defense types as well as being prone to KO by balance types.
Attack has to deal with usability problems that can cause them to lose to stamina types.
Defense has to worry about the rare MF-tipped attack type which almost invariably loses to a bunch of stamina types the few times such a combo is remotely viable and maybe some balance types.

Maybe not 100% accurate but the general gist is defense has quite a bit less to worry about from the type it matches up well against and in general.

Secondly, most older wheels and most wheels in the weight range considered suitable for Limited are aggressively designed. If defense is too strong or more speicfically too popular, a lot of wheels are not viable. a

Generally, these to figures coincide to indicate that defense needs a nerf.

Furthermore, defense has options aside from those tips that offer similar defensive capability: RF has more grip than any other tip and has fantastic ability to take hits, but can be harder to use and has poorer stamina - a few attack types can even outspin it sometimes, however it also has the potential to allow defense types to handle stamina combos as well.
RSF again has excellent grip, being particularly good on low tracks (Earth 85RSF is one of the best defensive combos I've used in Limited) and its stamina is better than RF, albeit still quite poor - Gravity TH170RF does have some chance of outspinning it, but it's far from reliable. It is not so strong that it is a complete wall against attack types by itself, but in the right combinations it does present a major problem for attack types.
CS is still a very capable bottom but you are trading off defense for survival by using it, so expect to be hurt by the a well used competitive attack type - this to me seems equitable.

If you didn't notice in those summaries, the way defense is makes the non-tip parts of the customization significantly more important. I have honestly had a lot more fun making defense customs in Limited than I have ever had in regular MFB as it is actually challenging, but building good defense types is very much possible, they're by no means slouches.

@ People whining about libra: stop being superstitious, it has a recoily as heck underside and overall is not significantly stronger than earth (they're different and can counter different things, but they're basically equal), anti attack combos with it are strong but not reliable enough against good combinations of any particular type to be broken.

@ Dark Mousy: MLD B: D is horrible, B: D does not fare well with smaller, lighter wheels in general.

@Stars: BD145 would never be unbanned in this format so it's not even worth mentioning. I don't know what you're on about talking about BD145RDF either, and it is widely agreed upon that RDF is one of the best defensive tips out there, your specific experiences with it are not exactly representative. It is also very exploitable for spin stealing and defensive balance in general, and creates a whole host of game balance problems with other parts as a result. As for Hell, hell is 40+g, extremely wide and very externally distributed, and MF-H Hell Kerbecs 230CS, if launched right is out of reliable contact range for almost any 145-height attacker, meaning attack then has to choose between handling it and losing to most low attackers (gravity has some chance of dealing with both, but most attack type wheels i.e. the majority of wheels in the format can't handle that). MLD was never a problem back then and MLD has horrible properties for precession by itself, it relies on tips, and the presence of attack types should prevent it doing anything too problematic especially without RDF around.

In general I'd suggest people not say things should be banned without trying them in the context of the format. Even if they were around back before the maximum series were released, a lot of things were overlooked back then. Go play and come back once you've got some experience with it, please.

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Wow this is awesome time to break out LDG XD

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Make sure to check out my threads :) (Click to View)

http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-Anti-Attack-Draft
http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-Beyblades-You-ve-Traded
http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-My-Earrings
http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-Lazer-s-youtube-Channel
http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-Trading-...d-OP-first
http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-MF-F-Pha...er-Mode-CF

My collection (I'll update it when I get new stuff) (Click to View)

Zero-G
Pirates Killerken A230JSB
Thief Phoenic E230GCF
Samurai Ifraid W145CF
Guardian Reviser 160SB
Dark Knight Dragooon SA165WSF
Archer Gryph C145S

4D
Kreis Cygnus 145WDx2
Duo Uranus 230WD
L-Drago Guardian S130MB
Flash Sagittario 230WD
Phantom Orion B D
Death Queatzalcoatl DF105RDF
Omega Dragonis 85XF
Wing Pegasis 90WF


Metal Fury
Duo Ice-Titan 230WD
Spiral Lyra ED145MF
Fang Leone 130W2D
Spiral Fox TR145W2D
Divine Crown TR145D
Phantom Orion 145ES
MF-L Blitz Striker 100SF

Metal Masters
Spiral Byxis W105R2F
Galaxy Pegasis W105R2F
Flame (No CW) SW145F
Inferno Byxis CH120RS
Thunder Leone GB145BS
Gravity Destroyer AD145WDx2
MF-M Ray Striker D125CS
Meteo-L Drago LW105LF
Twisted Befall BD145RSF
Grand Capricorn WD145D
Thermal Lacerta WA130HF
Cyber Fox 145LRF

Equipment
BB:10 Attack Stadium
Darkhelm FX stadium
Beylauncher L/R
3-Segment Launcher Grip

Would anyone consider banning BWD & EWD? I know there isn't a huge difference in performance between these two & WD, but it could make things more exciting.

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Combos I've developed:

Spoiler (Click to View)

Alter Chronos .8C.Ds (BST)
Genbull Genbull 90WD (STD)
Death Cancer E230RDF (STD)
Burn Aquario 90MF (LTD)
Lightning L Drago F: D (LTD)
Phantom Cancer ED145WD (LTD)
Burn Cancer B: D (LTD)
Saramanda Goreim LW160GF (Zero-G Sway)

Would anyone consider banning BWD & EWD? I know there isn't a huge difference in performance between these two & WD, but it could make things more exciting.

More exciting... how, exactly? Those parts are in no way oppressive, and we only want to ban parts that are causing problems for our lightweight metagame.

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4D Customs (Click to View)

• MF-L Phantom (Attack) Cygnus 85MF
  
• MF-H Scythe Uranus 85RS
  
• MF-H Flash Orion W145MF
  
• MF-H Basalt Horogium TR145R2F
  
• Duo Cygnus 160PD
  

MFB Customs (Click to View)

• MSF-H Reviser Dragooon SA165EWD
  
• MSF-H Bahamdia Ifraid SA165R2F
  
• MSF-H Wyvang Wyvang GB145R2F
  

I may be wrong in saying this, but when I think of the best stamina performance tips, I think of those two. D, SD, WD, etc are good, but I've always had more luck with BWD & EWD. If they're included, I have a feeling that a lot of people, or at least the people I know, would be using them exclusively. Just my thoughts

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Combos I've developed:

Spoiler (Click to View)

Alter Chronos .8C.Ds (BST)
Genbull Genbull 90WD (STD)
Death Cancer E230RDF (STD)
Burn Aquario 90MF (LTD)
Lightning L Drago F: D (LTD)
Phantom Cancer ED145WD (LTD)
Burn Cancer B: D (LTD)
Saramanda Goreim LW160GF (Zero-G Sway)

We're less trying to ban the best parts as we are trying to ban the over-centralizing parts. Think about it this way: under our guideline of lighter wheels, bottoms like RS, RB, and RDF put a huge strain on attackers (to the point that attack would stop being viable), so we decided they needed to be banned. EWD and BWD, on the other hand, don't cause such an imbalance, in that their legality isn't causing swaths of Beyblades to not be viable anymore. We ideally want to keep the ban list as lean as possible, so we're focusing on banning problematic parts rather than parts that are just good.

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4D Customs (Click to View)

• MF-L Phantom (Attack) Cygnus 85MF
  
• MF-H Scythe Uranus 85RS
  
• MF-H Flash Orion W145MF
  
• MF-H Basalt Horogium TR145R2F
  
• Duo Cygnus 160PD
  

MFB Customs (Click to View)

• MSF-H Reviser Dragooon SA165EWD
  
• MSF-H Bahamdia Ifraid SA165R2F
  
• MSF-H Wyvang Wyvang GB145R2F
  

Ah, I see now; I assumed it would just be an elimination of the best or most used parts right now in order to get people to think outside the box lol. That makes more sense.

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Beyblade Nation Discord Server | Meta Madness Beyblade Podcast
Combos I've developed:

Spoiler (Click to View)

Alter Chronos .8C.Ds (BST)
Genbull Genbull 90WD (STD)
Death Cancer E230RDF (STD)
Burn Aquario 90MF (LTD)
Lightning L Drago F: D (LTD)
Phantom Cancer ED145WD (LTD)
Burn Cancer B: D (LTD)
Saramanda Goreim LW160GF (Zero-G Sway)

On the potentially unbannable list, I still think ALL 4D metal wheels should not be allowed.

As for banning Basalt, I would be indifferent if you did or not. I think I'd want it banned to be honest though. Hell can stay as its not near as hard to knock out of the stadium. If you ban BD145 though, Hell will basically lose all of its competitive use right there so I'm against banning BD145. I don't think any tracks or tips should be banned besides possibly the combination of F230CF/GCF depending on how dominant it may end up being in this format.

For the the potentially bannable list, get Gravity off there! It'll probably be the best metal wheel for attack in this format!

So yeah, there's my short input .

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still posi

Might I say, Metal Fury Blitz is quite fantastic... I'm ready for a battle in limited. I have my 3 combos ;D

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Veteran, just getting back into the sway of things