Testing!

MSF-H Bahamdia Ifraid SA165R2F vs. Revizer Dragooon F230GCF
Dragooon launched first on all launches.
Dragooon: wins, 12/20 (1 KO, 11 OS)
Ifraid: wins, 8/20 (All KO)
MSF-H Bahamdia Ifraid SA165R2F win rate: 40%

Er... it worked sort of OK. You could pull a win with it if you launched it as hard as you could, but it seemed very inconsistent, and if I didn't KO it with the first hit I almost always lost. :\

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Try Meow!'s Bahamdia Begiraods SA165R2F concept against F230GCF if you can. Maybe it could get a little better results! I'd love to test it but i cant and I've been dieing to see results of it, haha.

3000 posts guys :\

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Try Meow!'s Bahamdia Begiraods SA165R2F concept against F230GCF if you can. Maybe it could get a little better results! I'd love to test it but i cant and I've been dieing to see results of it, haha.

3000 posts guys :\

Just asking, what were to happen if you put Wyvang, Girago, or Balro on top of Bahamdia?
As said in the video tha Meow! had posted about Bahamdia Begirados SA165R2F, any combo with Bahamdia on the bottom is/most likely going to be knocked off of the Flower Pattern, so should we really add any combo with Bahamdia underneath on the tier list? I believe that a combo that has a simple variable that causes an inconsistency that can make it lose shouldn't...you know what, never mind.

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Maybe if the results are good enough. Even if it has that flaw, which I've never expeierenced, it just depends on what you get for the tests and tournament use.

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Try Meow!'s Bahamdia Begiraods SA165R2F concept against F230GCF if you can. Maybe it could get a little better results! I'd love to test it but i cant and I've been dieing to see results of it, haha.

3000 posts guys :\

Just asking, what were to happen if you put Wyvang, Girago, or Balro on top of Bahamdia.
As said in the video tha Meow! had posted about Bahamdia Begirados SA165R2F, any combo with Bahamdia on the bottom is/most likely going to be knocked off of the Flower Pattern, so should we really add any combo with Bahamdia underneath on the tier list?

No, no, no, just no. What amkes you think that would work at all? Well #1 you need it to not cover the attack points of Bahamdia and must produce smash as well. Evwn if Bahamdia is doing all the work you's need something with synergy, to produce good results against all combos.

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Well guys, there's been some discussion lately on some things that people would like to see top-tier!
So, I think we need to buckle down and get some tests for these combos if we ever want to see any of them on the list.

Each custom has recorded votes. 4/0, for instance, means 4 "Yes" votes, and 0 "No" votes. 2/2 means 2 "Yes" votes, and 2 "No" votes, etc. If you post saying that you like or dislike a custom, I'll include your vote. If you sound neutral, I won't put anything in.

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First-priority:

• Girago/Genbull Genbull E230MB - 6/0 - placed multiple times, has confirmed results and a bunch of people want to see this up there. (Tests) (Tests)

• (MSF-H) Wyvang Dragooon BD145LRF/R2F - 2/0 - This is prime Anti-Attack material. No confirmed testing, though. (Tests)

• (MSF-L) Phantom (Cancer/Hades/Cygnus) SR200TB - 3/2 - Amazing stamina type. Actually has quite a few sets of results, but a couple more members should probably test it. (Tests) (Tests) (Tests) (Tests)
  

• MSF-H Bahamdia Ifraid SA165R2F - 2/1 - Plenty of testing for this one. Needs consideration. Some users are on the edge about this one. I'd personally be fine either way. (Tests)

• MF-H Duo (Aquario/Cancer/Cygnus/Hades) E230 (RDF/RSF/RB/CS) - 1/0 - This custom is an amazing pure Defense type. The fact that Attack combinations cannot actually make metal-to-metal contact with it makes it flat-out impossible to take down with even a right-spin Balro combination. (Tests)(Tests)

Second-priority:

• Balro Balro W145WSF - 4/1 - A couple people really like this (me included). Needs tests. (Tests) (Tests)

• MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD (Attack mode) - 4/0 - I flippin' LOVE this thing. Multiple members have tested it, and it just recently placed in two different tournaments on the same day. (Tests)

• Girago Girago SA165MF (Attack mode) - 4/1 - Has testing IIRC. Just needs some consideration. I personally think this one is a must-have. It's a really nice Balance type. (Tests) (Tests)

• MSF-H Gryph Gryph E230BSF - 4/1 - This thing is pretty darn good. It's got tests. Something to consider possibly adding. (Tests) (Tests)

• (MSF-M) Bahamdia Dragooon BD145LRF/R2F - 1/0 - Great left-spin Atack type. Has test results confirmed by several users, and just recently placed twice.(Tests)

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My thoughts on the list you just compiled:

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1. I want that on the tier list. It's just such a nice set-up.

2. I feel like BD145 just removes a lot of the smash of Wyvang, but since I know that Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF works so well, having this up here is very similar to it, but with a lot more attack. I'll have tests up soon!

3. Don't like this combo very much, I feel like it is just way to easy to KO.

4. Eh, don't really mind it going up, it still needs more testing, and isn't Begirados better on it now?

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5. Pretty good Tornado Staller, I like it a lot more than Phantom 90MF since it's not as light as Phantom but it still gets the job done, plus it's Balro. Who doesn't love Balro?

6. You already know that this is my favourite combo. I <3 it!

7. Never actually heard of this combo at all, I'll have to try it out soon.

8. I like this combo for the most part, top tier worthy I guess.

9. Just a little bit to early to determine whether or not it has a chance up there.

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My opinion:

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1. Yes
2. Possibly, but needs more tests
3. No, has terrible balance
4. Maybe, it seems pretty good, but personally I like Begirados better.
5. Yes-ish
6. Defenitely
7. Nah
8.Possibly
9. Needs more tests, but possibly yes.

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7. Never actually heard of this combo at all, I'll have to try it out soon.

Haha... it's an old one. XD My second ever, actually... if you're gonna test, you should read the OP to see how it's supposed to work.

I think you're gonna like it.

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My thoughts: all of them deserve to be up there except for Bahamdia Dragooon, needs more tests.

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I am your dog.
Thanks for the sig, Rock kyoya!

I'm gonna post votes next to each combo so we can get and idea for which ones are the most popular among users. That way we can see what the majority prefers.

I'm not gonna post votes for Bahamdia Dragooon yet (since, ya know, it's only like 20 hours old, LOL!).

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Well guys, there's been some discussion lately on some things that people would like to see top-tier!
So, I think we need to buckle down and get some tests for these combos if we ever want to see any of them on the list:

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First-priority:

• Girago/Genbull Genbull E230MB - placed multiple times, has confirmed results and a bunch of people want to see this up there. (Tests) (Tests)

• (MSF-H) Wyvang Dragooon BD145LRF/R2F - This is prime Anti-Attack material. No confirmed testing, though. (Tests)

• (MSF-L) Phantom (Cancer/Hades/Cygnus) SR200TB - Amazing stamina type. Actually has quite a few sets of results, but a couple more members should probably test it. (Tests) (Tests) (Tests) (Tests)
  

• MSF-H Bahamdia Ifraid SA165R2F - Plenty of testing for this one. Needs consideration. Some users are on the edge about this one. I'd personally be fine either way. (Tests)

Second priority:

• Balro Balro W145WSF - A couple people really like this (me included). Needs tests. (Tests) (Tests)

• MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165EWD (Attack mode) - I flippin' LOVE this thing. Multiple members have tested it, and it just recently placed in two different tournaments on the same day. (Tests)

• Girago Girago SA165MF (Attack mode) - Has testing IIRC. Just needs some consideration. I personally think this one is a must-have. It's a really nice Balance type. (Tests) (Tests)

• MSF-H Gryph Gryph E230BSF - This thing is pretty darn good. It's got tests. Something to consider possibly adding. (Tests) (Tests)

• (MSF-M) Bahamdia Dragooon BD145LRF/R2F - To be honest, it's too early to add this on a whim. A few people (myself obviously included) really like it, and I just thought I'd put it up here as last priority to see if it's worthy, since it does actually have confirmed results. (Tests)

These are just the top priority ones.

1• Yes, it seems very popular among users. Personally I've never used it, but still.

2• It needs more tests, I've used it and I personally and it did pretty well! I could see it being top tier worthy.

3• I've seen good results for it and I believe tournament use. I can't say much really because I honesty don't know much about TB's performance in it besides tests I've seen. If someone could explain it to me a little better, that'd be great.

4• I'd love to see this one up there. It's just a great combo! It needs a lot more testing because I have not seen much.

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I might do the second priority in a little bit. I'm finishing up some homework. Sorry for not elaborating to well .

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Er... Bahamdia Ifraid SA165R2F is probably the most thouroughly tested Zero-G Attack type we have, LOL! There are tests from like 7 different users, along with a video. XD

Thanks!

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Er... Bahamdia Ifraid SA165R2F is probably the most thouroughly tested Zero-G Attack type we have, LOL! There are tests from like 7 different users, along with a video. XD

Thanks!

Please post some tests on Bahamdia Dragooon BD145LRF/RF. I have tried it, but not in tourney use...

Er... Bahamdia Ifraid SA165R2F is probably the most thouroughly tested Zero-G Attack type we have, LOL! There are tests from like 7 different users, along with a video. XD

Thanks!

I had only actually checked the thread itself, whoops .

Still, nothing wrong with more, eh . It's a very controversial combo no doubt. I personally really like it and others do to for the most part.

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I appreciate the credit @TBD :3 I love Phantom SR200, phenominal stamina.

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wow everybodys coming up with great combos, great! i could do testing of balro balro w145 wsf or anything like that for that matter if anyone wants

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wow everybodys coming up with great combos, great! i could do testing of balro balro w145 wsf or anything like that for that matter if anyone wants

Try testing it against Wyvang*2 BD145RSF.
I wanna see how this thing does against Balro-Attack Types.

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Ok so I did some tests with zirago wyvang BD145 RSF VS Balro Balro W145 WSF
I did 20 battles 10 were KO's and 10 were OS's
Win percent of both is 50% also sorry I did not have 2 wyvangs but both performed well

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Ok so I did some tests with zirago wyvang BD145 RSF VS Balro Balro W145 WSF
I did 20 battles 10 were KO's and 10 were OS's
Win percent of both is 50% also sorry I did not have 2 wyvangs but both performed well

Can you do it in a more understandable format?

Er... that's quite impossible, unless you were Banking Balro. That would explain it... stalling works best.

I forgot a very, very, VERY important custom to put on that list... MF-H Duo (Aquario/Cygnus/Cancer/Hades) E230 (RSF/RDF/RB/CS)

This is definitely first-priority. Adding it now...

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I don't really know many launching techniques but I think I have heard of banking before but I think I did that when i tested that combo also I am able to test MF-H duo Cygnus E230 RSF
I'll do tests later

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Figured I'd drop in and give my opinion.

1. Based on experience with similar setups, go for it.
2. More tests needed. If someone else has good results, yes.
3. No clue, haven't used it, no SR200.
4. Too mediocre for me. About 50% against BD145 for me, bad against E230. Too sluggish too.

1. I don't like how it mainly wins by OS. An attack type should usually KO IMO, since that's what they should do.
2. Wouldn't know. Sounds good.
3. I love this!(except I use Revizer due to only having one Girago) It would be amazing if this got added!
4. Kinda neutral. A little weak against tall attackers, horrible against Dragooon. I'd be happy either way.
5. No clue whatsoever. I'll have to check out the thread.

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I forgot a very, very, VERY important custom to put on that list... MF-H Duo (Aquario/Cygnus/Cancer/Hades) E230 (RSF/RDF/RB/CS)

This is definitely first-priority. Adding it now...

You were the one who successfully argued for that to be taken off in the first place

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4D Customs (Click to View)

• MF-L Phantom (Attack) Cygnus 85MF
  
• MF-H Scythe Uranus 85RS
  
• MF-H Flash Orion W145MF
  
• MF-H Basalt Horogium TR145R2F
  
• Duo Cygnus 160PD
  

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• MSF-H Reviser Dragooon SA165EWD
  
• MSF-H Bahamdia Ifraid SA165R2F
  
• MSF-H Wyvang Wyvang GB145R2F
  

Ah, but did you see this post?

Woah! I just found something...

Balro Balro CH120R2F vs. Duo Cancer E230RSF
Cancer launched first on all launches. CH120 at 145 height.
Balro: wins, 2/20 (2 KO)
Cancer: wins, 18/20 (All OS)
Balro Balro CH120R2F win rate: 10%

Balro Balro CH120R2F vs. Reviser Reviser E230RSF
Reviser launched first on all launches. CH120 at 145 height.
Balro: wins, 12/20 (All KO)
Reviser: wins, 8/20 (All OS)
Balro Balro CH120R2F win rate: 60%

I was the one who suggested removing Duo E230 for defense in the first place, due to its inferior weight, but I was basing that statement on testing using Flash and Wyvang, NOT Balro. While Reviser did better against Flash and Wyvang, Duo is small enough on E230 that Balro can't reach it and hit at an angle, like it can against Reviser. After actually testing against a wider range of customs I'm a proponent of bringing it back. Anyone else?

I've done extensive testing with Duo E230 Defense over the past few weeks, and I can safely confirm what I stated before - that Synchrom E230 is vastly superior against Wyvang, Flash, and Dragooon in terms of staying inside the stadium (which is most of the Attack meta TBH). However, it does still work, and it beats one thing... Balro Attack.

Somewhere where Balro Attack is prevalent, Duo E230 wouldn't be such a bad idea, not to mention it will consistently OS Wyvang Dragooon SA165R2F and MSF-M Bahamdia Ifraid BD145R2F, something which not all E230 Synchrom customs can't do.

I put it as first priority, not because I'm a massive proponent of its teiring (I would like it put up there, but I wouldn't be concerned if it wasn't), but that the issue is pressing. IMO something as cookie-cutter and basic should be resolved quickly to get it out of the way, since E230 Defense is such a vital part of the Meta ATM with all these trucking Synchrom Attack types running around.

That said, I just hadn't seen the thing against Balro yet. XD LOL.

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