(Dec. 16, 2010  3:55 AM)Kei Wrote:

ATTACK

Wyvang

• {MSF{-H}} Wyvang Wyvang (GB145/W145/H145) (R2F/RF/LRF)
  
• {MSF{-H}} Wyvang Dragooon SA165[Zero-G Attack] (R2F/RF/LRF)
  

Balro

• {MSF{-H}} Balro Balro (CH120/D125/T125/W145) (RF/R2F/LRF)
  

Bahamdia

• {MSF-M/MSF-L} Bahamdia Dragooon BD145 (LRF/R2F/RF)
  

Flash

• MF-H Flash (Orion/Escolpio/Pisces/Beelzeb) (GB145/H145/S130/CH120) (R2F/RF/LRF)
  

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DEFENSE

Duo

• MF-H Duo (Aquario/Cancer/Hades/Cygnus) BD145 (RDF/RB)
  
• MF-H Duo (Aquario/Cancer/Hades/Cygnus) E230 (RDF/RSF/RB/CS)
  

Revizer/Killerken

• MSF-H (Revizer/Killerken) (Revizer/Killerken) BD145 (RDF/RB/CS/RSF)
  
• MSF-H Revizer (Revizer/Killerken) E230 (RDF/RSF/CS/RB)
  

Genbull

• MSF-H Revizer Genbull E230 (RDF/RB/RSF/CS)
  
• MSF-H (Revizer/Genbull) Genbull BD145 (RDF/RB/RSF)
  

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STAMINA

Duo

• Duo (Cancer/Cygnus/Hades) W145 (WD/EWD)
  
• Duo (Cancer/Cygnus/Hades) (TH170/230) (D/SD/TB)
  
• Duo (Cancer/Cygnus/Hades) SR200 TB
  
• Duo (Cancer/Cygnus/Hades) B
  
• Duo (Cancer/Cygnus/Hades) 160 PD
  
• Duo (Cancer/Cygnus/Hades) SA165[Normal] EWD
  
• MF(-M/-H) Duo (Cancer/Cygnus/Hades) 230 MB
  

Genbull

• Genbull Genbull (SR200/TH170) TB
  

Dragooon

• {MSF{-H}} (Revizer/Genbull/Killerken/Girago) Dragooon SA165[Normal] EWD
  
• {MSF-L} (Girago/Revizer/Killerken) Dragooon SA165[Zero-G Attack] EWD
  

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BALANCE

• (Girago/Genbull) Genbull E230 MB
  
• Girago Girago E230 MB
  

• MSF-H Wyvang Wyvang BD145 RSF
  
• MF-L Phantom Cygnus 85 MF
  
• (MSF-L) Balro Balro BD145MF
  
• MF-H Flash (Orion/Escolpio/Pisces/Beelzeb) W145 MF
  

• {MF{-L}} Duo (Cancer/Cygnus/Hades) F230* (CF/GCF)
  
• {MSF{-L}} (Genbull/Girago/Revizer/Killerken) Dragooon F230* (CF/GCF)
  
• {MSF{-L}} Genbull Genbull F230* (CF/GCF)
  

• MF-H Diablo (Kerbecs/Unicorno II) BD145 RF
  
• MSF-(H/L) Girago Girago BD145 RF
  
• MSF-H Wyvang Dragooon BD145 RF
  

• MSF-H Wyvang Dragooon BD145 RDF
  
• {MSF-H} (Revizer/Killerken) Dragooon SA165[Normal] RDF
  
• Genbull Dragooon (T125/D125) GCF
  
• (MSF-H) Genbull Genbull (TH170/SR200) CS
  

* F230 must be one of the orange TAKARA TOMY ones from ZGRBV3, not the brown or red ones.

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ATTACK

Flash

• Clear Wheels: Escolpio, Orion, Pisces, Horogium
  
• MF(-H) Flash ____ (105/CH120/D125/S130/GB145/H145) (RF/R2F)
  
• MF(-H) Flash ____ W145 MF

VariAres

• MF(-H) VariAres (CH120/R145) (RF/R2F/LRF)

Blitz

• Clear Wheels: Unicorno II, Kerbecs
  
• MF(-H) Blitz ____ (100/CH120) (RF/R2F)

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DEFENSE

Duo

• Clear Wheels: Aquario, Bull, Cancer, Cygnus
  
• MF-H Duo ____ (BD145/E230) (CS/RB/RDF/RS/RSF)

Reviser Reviser

• MSF-H Revizer Revizer (BD145/E230) (CS/RB/RDF/RS/RSF)

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STAMINA

Phantom

• Clear Wheels: Aquario, Cancer, Cygnus, Hades
  
• Phantom ____ 85 (EDS/EWD/WD)
  
• Phantom ____ W145 (EWD/SWD/WD)
  
• Phantom ____ BD145 EDS
  
• Phantom ____ (TH170/230) D/SD

Duo

• Clear Wheels: Aquario, Cancer, Cygnus
  
• Duo ____ W145 EWD/SWD/WD
  
• Duo ____ BD145 EDS
  
• Duo ____ 160 PD
  
• Duo ____ TH170/230 D/SD

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BALANCE

• MF(-H, -M) Duo (Aquario/Cancer/Cygnus) 230 MB
  
• MF(-H) L Drago Destroy/Guardian BD145RDF
  
• MF(-H) Diablo (Kerbecs/Unicorno II) BD145 RF/R2F
  

• I feel AD145 has been outclassed by W145. As such, I changed all instances of AD145 with W145.
  
• I don't think TH170 is a top-tier track for defense anymore since it just isn't heavy enough. In my opinion E230 does everything TH170 does defensively, except better. So, I replaced TH170 with E230 on all defense combos.
  
• I removed Death from defense since it is just too light compared to current top-tier defense customs. Duo is also similarly light, but Duo's incredible combination of both stamina and defense is enough to keep it on the list over Death. (Perhaps Duo defense customs should be classified as balance?)
  
• I added Reviser Reviser to defense because it's a defensive truck. There are tons of valid defensive Synchrom combinations, and those need to be discussed.
  
• I added Hades to the list of clear wheels for Phantom. I have tested this a lot, and everything I've done has told me that Hades is one of the (if not the) best clear wheels for Phantom.
  
• I added 160PD to the list of competitive stamina setups for Duo. I'll admit, this is based mostly on my own experiences, though I have done a lot of testing with the custom to back this up (the tests are in the Duo Cygnus 160PD thread).
  
• I moved MF-H Diablo (Kerbecs/Unicorno II) BD145(RF/R2F) down to Balance from Defense since I feel that is more where it belongs. While it's designed to beat attack types, it is far from your standard defense custom.

• Basalt. Does it deserve a spot on the list, perhaps in anti-attack customs like MF-H Basalt Horogium R145RF/MF-H Basalt Horogium TR145R2F?
  
• Dragooon. It's creeping up everywhere, and it easily has the makings of a top-tier piece.
  
• SA165. It's our third really heavy track, and it is putting up some good results already.
  
• Synchroms. There are so, so many possible combinations of Synchroms that need to be discussed and tested it's not even funny.

(Sep. 23, 2012  9:57 PM)Ultra Wrote: Why does no one give Gravity Perseus the love it deserves?! It's still good. Gravity Perseus BD145RDF is a good balance combo that deserves looking into.

or SA

(Sep. 23, 2012  9:57 PM)Ultra Wrote: Also MSF Saramanda Saramanda B should be looked into since it keeps popping up in the winning combinations thread.

(Sep. 23, 2012  11:01 PM)Ya Wrote: To me, I feel that in Attack, Flash, VariAres, and Blitz needs to be removed. They don't fare well against synchrom defense combo's at all.

Attack: Currently, the only combo doing well is Killerkend Dragooon DF105 LRF/RF/R2F

Defense: Duo needs to go away. Seriously. Its terrible in today's meta (the stamina does not compensate for its weight.)

MSF Revizer Revizer E230/BD145/TH170 RDF/RS/RB/RSF/CS

Also, Dragoon/Revizer Dragooon should be added.

Stamina: SA165 should be added.
W145 Add.
AD145 Remove.
160 Add.
Just keep the standard Phantom/Duo comvos also.

Balance: LDG/LDD BD145 RDF
Dragooon/Revizer Dragooon BD145 RDF/MF
MF-H/MF-M Duo Cygnus/Aquario/Cancer 230 MB

Spin Equalizers: MF Meteo L Drago CH120 EWD/W2D
MF Gravity Perseus CH120 EWD/W2D

Zombies: MSF-H Revizer Dragooon SA165 EWD/(W2D is optional)

Spin Equalizers and Zombies are different as Zombies win by many rotations.

(Sep. 23, 2012  11:01 PM)Ya Wrote: To me, I feel that in Attack, Flash, VariAres, and Blitz needs to be removed. They don't fare well against synchrom defense combo's at all.

Attack: Currently, the only combo doing well is Killerkend Dragooon DF105 LRF/RF/R2F

(Sep. 23, 2012  9:21 PM)Ingulit Wrote: Basalt. Does it deser-

(Sep. 24, 2012  12:17 AM)Ultra Wrote: Same I feel it is balance considering its weird ability to outspin things despite being on a rubber attack bottom. Also I feel it should be noted however that the which rubber attack bottom is used on it probably makes little to no difference.

(Sep. 24, 2012  12:11 AM)Meow! Wrote: As for Meteo, I am kinda half and half on it. Sure Meteo does well and can pretty much defeat a huge portion of the stamina and defense game, but I feel like Dragooon just does it so much better. Reviser Dragooon SA165EWD has been a huge threat, and not to mention things like Reviser Dragooon B which I feel takes the place of Meteo B. Th!nk brought up a point somewhere that Rubber was never needed in HMS for spin equalization. I believe this is completely true for Dragooon. Dragooon is basically a Meteo with more defense and attack abilities.

(Sep. 24, 2012  12:16 AM)GaHooleone Wrote: I feel B:D should be added as well. It's niche because it defeats Dragooon and spin-equalizers, and does get knocked out very easily, but that niche is a rather large portion of the metagame today and deserves mention.

(Sep. 24, 2012  12:17 AM)Ultra Wrote: Same I feel it is balance considering it's weird ability to outspin things despite being on a rubber attack bottom. Also I feel it should be noted however that the which rubber attack bottom is used on it probably makes little to no difference.

EDIT: Hadn't noticed that. Why isn't B on there?!

(Sep. 24, 2012  12:16 AM)GaHooleone[quote='Ingulit Wrote: Basalt. Does it deser-d