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This combo is, simply put, what I see as a breakthrough. I noticed that no anti-attack combos had been tested out for like a year now, and I seriously thought a synchrom anti-attacker needed to be tested out... and the results absolutely stunned me. I would consider this a breakthrough in dealing with the so overpowered attack types used in the current metagame.


The concept:

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This is basically built to be a synchrom variation of a traditional anti-attack beyblade.

An anti-attack type is a beyblade usually composed of a low recoil wheel/heavy attack wheel placed on an aggressive setup with a low center of gravity and wide weight distribution.

An anti-attack combination aims to meet its opponent's attacks by utilizing an aggressive movement pattern, as opposed to the traditional defense type that just sits in the middle and lets things slam into it. The track is usually what gives the anti-attacker an advantage in a head-on collision with an attack type, such as BD145 with its wide weight distrubution/overall weight/lower center of gravity, which significantly reduces the combo's recoil

The advantage anti-attack types have over attack types, is that they can sacrifice smash without becoming ineffective (hence the use of tracks like BD145). For instance, Basalt Kerbecs BD145RF (anti-attack type) has pretty much no use against stamina types, as attack types do, even though its movement pattern is pretty aggressive and fast. This way, it eliminates the attack type's advantage of speed, while still maintaining very low recoil and (if it's built right) higher stamina than its opponent.

The aim of an anti-attack type is not really to KO an attack type (although that is an advantage they can have over traditional defense), it's just a different style of withstanding attacks from the opposing beyblade.

That said, this is basically the next step up from combos like MF-H Diablo Kerbecs/Unicorno II BD145RF, the basic 4D anti-attacker. The significant increase in weight sharply decreases the combo's recoil.

Parts choice:

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MSF-L: I found this variation of Metal Stone Face to decrease the combo's recoil a little, without really sacrificing any speed or stamina.

Girago: This chrome wheel has been shown through testing to withstand attacks very well, while also providing decent smash and incredibly low recoil. It has also been found to produce a "Grinding" effect that allows it to OS even stamina types while on a flat performance tip.

I have found that this combo is able to easily OS top-tier defense types, and even OS stamina types, if it can make solid contact all the way through the match, which can be accomplished fairly easily if the user's launch is precise enough.

BD145: BD145 is used everywhere for its ability to take down attack types. It's overall weight, wide, even weight distribution, and unusually low center of gravity serves to significantly decrease a combo's recoil.

RF: While RF is a very aggressive bottom, it can still retain the stamina required to OS the traditional attack bottoms such as R2F. It has an extraordinary level of traction, and while its speed is not quite on level with R2F, it has significantly higher stamina as attack bottoms go, allowing it to consistently withstand and OS top-tier attack types on an anti-attack setup.

The launch:

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A full force sliding shoot is probably your best bet with this combo. Try to emphasize the "sliding" part of the launch, to create the most aggressive pattern possible.

Stalling can work against attack types, though. I stalled a few times during the video while I was still developing the launch, and it still works pretty well.

Testing videos:

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Attention! I wasn't thinking when I made this video, and I accidentally
refered to the Face as MSF-M. Just pay no attention to that.

I was only able to get a few rounds done with each combo this time.
I was really pressed for time. Hope it helps!

Tests:

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Benchmark:

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Wyvang Wyvang GB145R2F vs. MSF-H Reviser Reviser BD145RDF
Reviser launched first on all launches. Slightly worn RDF, Prime R2F.
Wyvang: wins, 17/20 (15 KO, 2 OS)
Reviser: wins, 3/20 (1 KO, 2 OS)
MSF-H Reviser Reviser BD145RDF win rate: 15%

My launch was absolutely ON FIRE today! I'm so proud XD

Vs. Attack:

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MSF-L Girago Girago BD145RF vs. Wyvang Wyvang GB145R2F
Girago launched first on all launches. Pretty worn RF, Prime R2F.
Girago: wins, 16/20 (3 KO, 13 OS)
Wyvang: wins, 4/20 (All KO)
MSF-L Girago Girago BD145RF win rate: 80%

There you have it... This combo takes down one of (if not the) best attack types in the current metagame, nearly 5 times as often as your average top-tier defense combo.

MSF-L Girago Girago BD145RF vs. MF-H Flash Escolpio S130R2F
Girago launched first on all launches. Pretty worn RF, Prime R2F.
Girago: wins, 20/20 (8 KO, 12 OS)
Escolpio: wins, 0/20
MSF-L Girago Girago BD145RF win rate: 100%

Pretty impressive.

Vs. Defense:

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MSF-L Girago Girago BD145RF vs. Reviser Reviser BD145RDF
Reviser launched first on all launches. Slightly worn RDF, Pretty worn RF.
Girago: wins, 20/20 (2 KO, 18 OS)
Reviser: wins, 0/20
MSF-L Girago Girago BD145RF win rate: 100%

This was overwhelmingly one-sided. Reviser didn't even come close once.

MSF-L Girago Girago BD145RF vs. Reviser Reviser BD145CS
Reviser launched first on all launches. Calm CS, pretty worn RF.
Girago: wins, 20/20 (4 KO, 16 OS)
Reviser: wins, 0/20
MSF-L Girago Girago BD145RF win rate: 100%

Same story. Just totally one-sided...

MSF-L Girago Girago BD145RF vs. MF-H Duo Aquario BD145CS
Aquario launched first on all launches. Pretty worn RF, Calm CS.
Girago: wins, 16/20 (All OS)
Aquario: wins, 4/20 (All OS)
MSF-L Girago Girago BD145RF win rate: 80%

There were quite a few wall saves during this match. I think Girago could've probably hit 3 KOs if Duo hadn't hit the wall so many times. It was really Girago's grinding effect that won this. As soon as it was locked in a grind with Duo in the middle near the end of the match, Duo lost a ton of spin.

MSF-L Girago Girago BD145RF vs. MF-H Duo Aquario BD145RB
Aquario launched first on all launches. Pretty worn RF, brand new RB.
Girago: wins, 20/20 (All OS)
Duo: wins, 0/20
MSF-L Girago Girago BD145RF win rate: 100%

Pretty much same thing as last match.

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MSF-L Girago Girago BD145RF vs. Duo Cygnus W145WD
Cygnus launched first on all launches. Pretty worn RF.
Girago: wins, 12/20 (9 KO, 3 OS)
Cygnus: wins, 8/20 (All OS)
MSF-L Girago Girago BD145RF win rate: 60%

I don't know why, but Girago couldn't get a good grip on Duo. It had to kind of shove it to get it to leave the stadium...

MSF-L Girago Girago BD145RF vs. Duo Cancer 230D
Cancer launched first on all launches. Pretty worn RF. Sorta worn-ish D.
Girago: wins, 15/20 (12 KO, 3 OS)
Cancer: wins, 5/20 (All OS)
MSF-L Girago Girago BD145RF win rate: 75%

Now, I know this is hard to believe, but it did happen. The OSes were matches where Cancer should've flown out of the stadium 2 or 3 times, but it kept on a-bouncin' off the walls until its spin was completely drained. This is where Girago's smash and Grinding ability come in to play.

Vs. Balance:

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MSF-L Girago Girago BD145RF vs. Balro Balro TR145MF
Balro launched first on all launches. Pretty worn RF.
Girago: wins, 16/20 (8 KO, 8 OS)
Balro: wins, 4/20 (All OS)
MSF-L Girago Girago BD145RF win rate: 80%

Balro had WAY too much recoil... As soon as Girago hit it, it usually just flew out of the stadium or got knocked straight up in the air and lost all of its spin. :\

Vs. Left-spin:

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MSF-L Girago Girago BD145RF vs. Reviser Dragooon BD145RDF
Dragooon launched first on all launches. Slightly worn RDF, Pretty worn RF.
Girago: wins, 0/20
Dragooon: wins, 20/20 (All OS)
MSF-L Girago Girago BD145RF win rate: 0%

Nothing but absolute failure here folks.

MSF-L Girago Girago BD145RF vs. Reviser Dragoon SA165EWD
Dragooon launched first on all launches. Pretty worn RF.
Girago: wins, 14/20 (All KO)
Dragooon: wins, 6/20 (All OS)
MSF-L Girago Girago BD145RF win rate: 70%

Not bad, not bad at all.

MSF-L Girago Girago BD145RF vs. Wyvang Dragooon SA165R2F
Girago launched first on all launches. Pretyy worn RF, Prime R2F.
Girago: wins, 19/20 (All OS)
Dragooon: wins, 1/20 (1 OS)
MSF-L Girago Girago BD145RF win rate: 95%

Ties redone: 4

Again, an absolutely astounding performance against attack. This is one of the most effective attack types in existence, and Girago stomped it. Dragooon just couldn't follow through hard enough with Girago moving at it from the opposite direction.

I was very surprised there weren't more KOs dugin this match, but the beys would just slam into each other from opposite directions, and stop each other in their tracks. Then Girago usually pulled out an OS.

Counters:

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(MSF-H) _____ Dragooon BD145RDF

Hope you guys like this one! Feedback would be much appreciated.

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This is totally amazing! It destroyed attack, I was thinking of building an anti-attack combo this morning, but got caught up with other stuff. I found it really hard to believe it beat spin-steal, but it did, this is awesome. Do you have any test requests?

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This is totally amazing! It destroyed attack, I was thinking of building an anti-attack combo this morning, but got caught up with other stuff. I found it really hard to believe it beat spin-steal, but it did, this is awesome. Do you have any test requests?

Actually, yes! Could you confirm my tests against Duo 230D? That would be great. I'm having a hard time believing it actually happened myself!

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This looks amazing! Maybe a dragooon killer? As usual I'd love to see results against Killerken Dragooon DF105LRF.

This looks amazing! Maybe a dragooon killer? As usual I'd love to see results against Killerken Dragooon DF105LRF.

No, not a Dragooon Killer. :\ Just an attack type killer.

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Holy carp. Finally, a true counter to Wyvang Wyvang. These are amazing results.

Could you test against Balro Balro TR145MF?

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Nice tests, man. I've been playing with some Synchrome Anti-Attack combos myself recently, but I haven't tried Girago Girago yet, as I don't have even one, ha ha.

About your Defense tests, though: Revizer + Revizer + a rubber Bottom = pitiful Stamina, so Girago's results against the Defense combos don't really surprise me. Since I cannot test this myself, if you could please test this against a Defense combo with better Stamina, such as MF-H Duo Aquario or MSF/-H Killerken Killerken BD145CS, it'd be much appreciated!

Could you test against Balro Balro TR145MF?

MF's gon' die, son. xD

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This is what we all want, Brad.

There were a good bit of wall saves, duo just couldn't hop the tornado ridge very easily, and I'm not sure how it got the OS's either, but here are the results. Maybe it was saramanda? I guess it didn't do too bad.

Mf-L Duo Gasher 230 d vs. mf-m saramanda girago bd145 rf

DG Wins: 12(All OS)
SG Wins: 8(All KO)

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-Duo launched first
-green string launcher(new-ish)
-bb-10(used-ish)

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I agree with Insomniac, I am curious to see if it is able to stand up against a Defense custom with CS.
Really good results against Wyvang x2 though, very surprising.

I was already doing tests against Duo BD145CS. I just hadn't posted them yet.

I'll try to get the tests with Balro and Done and then I'll post the results.

EDIT: I added tests against MF-H Duo Aquario BD145CS/RB and Balro Balro TR145MF to the OP.

I think you'll like what you see.

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This is MF-L not MF-M based from the video haha

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This is MF-L not MF-M based from the video haha

Oh my goodness, you're right! I typed it all in as MSF-M! I'm so, so sorry, My brain must have been turned off! I'll edit the OP now.

Yes, this combo does use MSF-L

EDIT:

1) I changed all the references to MSF-M to MSF-L
2) I accidentally put down Reviser Reviser BD145CS down as BD145RF in the testing :\ I fixed it.
3) The video also says MSF-M, but I can't change that.

I got my MSF's totally mixed up today... That was pretty embarrassing, but it's all fixed now!

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Hate to be a party pooper.... but I'd like to point out a few things.

First of all, I wouldn't say this is an original combo. In the Girago testing thread, Thunder Dome had me test the exact same combo, only with Gryph on the bottom. KainHighwind has also mentioned it.

Second of all, do you mind using a different RF? Because tbh, if it can OS Duo 230 D, you're RF is super worn, possibly even illegal. Heck, Girago on MF goes about even against stamina for me.

Third of all, I have no clue how you weren't able to OS/KO this with Wyvang Dragooon SA165 R2F at all. Theoretically speaking, SA165 should have more "LAD" than BD145 in either mode. BD145 has giant spikes on it. Then, with bottoms, R2F has a wider surface area than RF. It's like GF vs XF.

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1) No, my RF is not that worn. It's nowhere near illegal. It just hit Duo so hard that it ended in Girago OSing. Plus, I said my D is a little rounded. I needed confirmation on that test, so if you could it would actually be awesome if you tried itout.

2) You tested MSF-H Gryph Girago BD145RF, not MSF-L Girago Girago BD145RF. I didn't say it was original, I was just the first one to tests it. I discussed this with Kain a couple months back.

3) BD145 stayed standing up longer against Wyvang Dragooon SA165R2F. It wasn't LAD, just the ability to stay standing up. Try it yourself, it will win nearly 100% of the time.

4) Measure your R2F. It's no wider than RF. "Theoretically" doesn't help. I posted tests in which Girago won. If you have results that show otherwise, then go ahead and post them, but a theory isn't much against actual test results.

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Try the girago combo only instead of RF use RSF as to add increase in stamina. fire at sliding shoot as usual. Just a theory

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RSF is for defense, it doesn't have the necessary movement to KO, the reason anti-attack customs work.

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really? My RSF moves just about the same speed as RF when sliding shot. Maybe its because mine is new, sorry if this is deviating from topic.

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Lol why does everyone think that "LAD" is the key to victory?

Anyways, this definitely did a lot better than what I thought it would against CS. I am pretty pumped to try this out when ever I am able too. Hopefully to create some more believability, others can test this.

Then, with bottoms, R2F has a wider surface area than RF. It's like GF vs XF.

R2F and RF have the same diameter.

1) No, my RF is not that worn. It's nowhere near illegal. It just hit Duo so hard that it ended in Girago OSing. Plus, I said my D is a little rounded. I needed confirmation on that test, so if you could it would actually be awesome if you tried itout.

In the video , I couldn't see the hole. There was a black speckle but it was terribly off axis so it might have been dust. Might have just been video quality though.

Lol why does everyone think that "LAD" is the key to victory?

It is a huge part in opposite-spin matchups.

I have all the parts so I'll try to get some tests up. Idk when though. It does seem awkward to me how much stamina is in Girago BD145RF and I can't picture it "grinding" Duo or something. If anything, Girago should be KOing Duo 230 since all the smash on Girago is towards the upper part of the metal wheel.

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I have all the parts so I'll try to get some tests up. Idk when though. It does seem awkward to me how much stamina is in Girago BD145RF and I can't picture it "grinding" Duo or something. If anything, Girago should be KOing Duo 230 since all the smash on Girago is towards the upper part of the metal wheel.

When I tested it, it didn't get under duo, it hit the core part, and sent it to the tornado ridge, but it didnt have enough power, to send it over the tornado ridge, and i think the reason it OS'd duo was because of the worness of the rf. But it did ko some.

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In the video , I couldn't see the hole. There was a black speckle but it was terribly off axis so it might have been dust. Might have just been video quality though.

It does seem awkward to me how much stamina is in Girago BD145RF and I can't picture it "grinding" Duo or something. If anything, Girago should be KOing Duo 230 since all the smash on Girago is towards the upper part of the metal wheel.

The hole was there, and it's in the middle. :\ sometimes it just gets filled with dirt or something. IDK why but when I use the black BB-10 all my rubber tips get dirty. Go figure. Anywho, here's picutres of my RF.

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That's a pretty flat RF. I wouldn't call that near illegal. Plus, you can see its movement pattern in the video. It's pretty darn aggressive.

And it's wins against the Duo stamina types weren't gridning... it was more like slamming it straight up into the air and completely battering it to death, with Duo getting a million wall saves. In other words, they should've been KOs, but Duo got way too many wall save, so it just stopped spinning from getting launched into the air so many times. However, my launch was unusually amazing yesterday. :\ I'll try to get up another video today.

Here's a re-do of the tests:

MSF-L Girago Girago BD145RF vs. Duo Cancer 230D
Duo launched first on all launches.
Girago: wins, 15/20 (12 KO, 3 OS)
Cancer: wins, 5/20 (All OS)
MSF-L Girago Girago BD145RF win rate: 75%

The difference between this and the first match, was there were WAY less wall saves. There were only 3 matches where Girago OSed, and it was just from slamming into it ridiculously hard.
There was one match where Girago actually hit it so hard that it lifted off the ground and the Duo wheel scraped across the top of the wall, fell back in, and then got hit in mid air and leaned a full 90 degrees to the point where the metal wheel actually scraped.

I would try it yourself. If you just launch very aggrresively, Girago will pull it off a few times.

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Lol why does everyone think that "LAD" is the key to victory?

It is a huge part in opposite-spin matchups.

While it does have an impact in opposite spin match ups, it does not guarantee a victory like a lot of people have grown to believe.

When I tested it, it didn't get under duo, it hit the core part, and sent it to the tornado ridge, but it didnt have enough power, to send it over the tornado ridge, and i think the reason it OS'd duo was because of the worness of the rf. But it did ko some.

Just thought I would point out that you tested with Saramanda Girago, so your results could different.

The updated tests really should reinforce the potential of this custom. I hope someone will try this with a fairly-prime RF so we can see if there is a major difference in the performance.

Wow I just watcned the test video on YouTube and I love this combo and I gotta make it

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I put the second video in the OP.

I was really, really rushed, so I only did a few rounds against each combo, but it did pretty well in the few rounds I was able to get done on film. I hope it helps the discussion!

I re-did some stuff against Wyvang Dragooon:

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MSF-L Girago Girago BD145RF vs. Wyvang Dragooon SA165R2F
Girago launched first on all launches. Pretty worn RF, Prime R2F.
Girago: wins, 8/10 (All OS)
Dragooon: wins, 2/10 (1 KO, 1 OS)
MSF-L Girago Girago BD145RF win rate: 80%

I did get Dragooon to KO once this time, but Girago still absolutely dominated.

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MSF-L Girago Girago BD145RF vs. Duo Cancer 230D
Duo launched first on all launches.
Girago: wins, 15/20 (12 KO, 3 OS)
Duo: wins, 5/20 (All OS)
MSF-L Girago Girago BD145RF win rate: 75%

The fact that my Girago is OSing Duo around 15% of the time may just be something about my launch, or it may just be a fluke, and it may not be getting the same results with other people, but I think it's safe to say that this is a phenomenal counter to just about any attack type that's currently competetive.

OSing Duo withan RF combo is either 1) Absolutely absurd and there's some invisible cosmic force causing my Duo to stop spinning, or 2) My launch was in particularly good shape when I happened to try it out. From this video, my RF is very agrressive, so I don't think wear has effected my testing much at all.

Plus, whether or not it beats Duo-based stamina types via OS is pretty much irrelevant to the subject of whether or not it has competitive potential. It's job is to crush attack types, and its win rates so far are extremely positive in that category.

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I just watched both vids for this combo.

Why are you using the sliding shoot with Wyvang Dragooon SA165 R2F? WD SA165 R2F is never, ever, ever supposed to be sliding shot, unless your opponent is in left. A wide sweeping launch is to be used. The wider launch gives you more speed. and easier KO ability, as well as tons more destabilization.

Second of all, I'd recommend a similar launch with Wyvang Wyvang GB145 R2F. With that launch, you can "chase" your opponent until you hit them at full speed. With a sliding shoot, your basically just betting on you hitting your opponent at the same spot.

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