(Jan. 03, 2022 7:12 AM)p0l1w4g06 Wrote: (Jan. 03, 2022 3:18 AM)th!nk Wrote: Ban the two attack layers that make GT a fun and balanced format and just keep all the stamina except lord??? What a doozy of a suggestion. Meanwhile banning lord when Master and Tact are actually better on Drift than Lord is - but hey, let's keep making suggestions for bans without testing stuff or having a clue how the format is balanced. Dr and Br are kept in check by attack, which is kept in check by, well - look at this, we're in a thread that shows that despite guilty X', which is a near-judgment level monster of an attack setup capable of straight bodying everything in the format in competent hands, it sees limited use in a lot of places. You want to take the format where people might actually break that pattern and leave only the stamina layers, without even understanding what is good in the format? A little thought before hitting "Post Reply" please.
This forum baffles me. People complain about stamina but so many people seem intent on sending attack to hell, to the point things that do that end up in our rules because people are so short sighted they don't think through the flow-on effects of bans and restrictions - the place this is of utmost importance. God, trying to get this to fly back in the day...
SupaDav03: very excited to see people keep trying zwei drift for 1 tournament before realising it's horrible lol. I don't think br' is much of a threat with attack around, zone'+z is more solid but drift and br' beat it for lad and it still won't hold up to attack without a dedicated defensive setup, which sacrifices a lot. I've honestly found br' easier to handle than dr though, so that's an interesting observation.
Ok, its just I thought they are so common they are OP...
Just because something is commonly used doesn't mean it's unbeatable, nor does it mean it's the best. For example, Lord was commonly used after its release up until Tempest took its place, so it saw about a year of use. However, Perfect Phoenix, Tact, Master, Naked, and even Air Knight were all viable stamina options that, in some cases, outperformed it. On top of this, attackers like Zwei, Judgement, and even Cho-Z Achilles were effective against it, with skilled attack users being able to win nearly 100% of the time.
Yes, stamina is easy to use, but that certainly doesn't mean it's easy to win with. This was especially true in GT era, and if you don't believe me, the evidence is in this very thread. Check out the winning combinations from tournaments that happened between the beginning of 2019 and mid 2020. Judgement and Zwei are very much there.
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