Oh wow so much to reply to. I missed a lot between midterms and halloween haha
(Oct. 22, 2016 6:31 PM)Mitsu Wrote: 1st place: JesseObre (Final Score: 6-2)
MF Virgo 230MB
MF Virgo D125BWD
MF Virgo F230CF
MF-H Gravity Perseus (Attack) CH120RB
Flame Orion 230CS
2nd place: Kei (Final Score: 5-3)
MF-H Gravity Perseus (Attack) 90RB
MF Flame Hades 230CS
MF-L Scythe Gemios B:D
MSF-H Bandid Wyvang H145 (Mold 2) RB
MF-H Earth Cygnus 85CS
3rd place: 1234beyblade (Final Score: 4-4)
MF Flame Cygnus F230CS
MF-H Scythe Cygnus LW105MF
MF-H Gravity Perseus (Attack) F230CF
(Oct. 23, 2016 8:28 PM)Kei Wrote: Minoboros was awesome in this tournament. Good enough to beat Deathscyther and Odin with some consistency, and I'd like to think it's good enough to beat things like Valkyrie too due to less tendency to self-Burst (which is what happened when he played MHZ against JesseObre's VTX in the round robin).
Going into the final battle–which was Deck Rotation–I knew with certainty that pyrus10000 would choose MHZ as one of the Beyblades in his Deck, but I failed to pick anything that could counter it effectively in mine. VHV does great against anything that isn't mobile, and I realized that when selecting my three Beyblades, hoping that OHO would be good against it ... I went up 4-1 in the battle and then ended up using OHO once and losing the round that tied it at 4-4 via Burst Finish. Apparently Minoboros is very good against Odin. I think I might have had a better chance if I played more aggressively with OHO, but in any case, I lost that round and went on to lose the battle! Really impressive and a great learning experience.
(Oct. 22, 2016 6:31 PM)Mitsu Wrote: Gravity in left-spin is something I was a bit unsure was worth unbanning. I had played around with Gravity GCF after Wombat had initially posted his F230CF tests and had started to lack faith. It—or Gravity paired with Metal Flat—weren't, however, issues, by any means and I do believe it's OK to keep in the game. Even so, I'm not sure how much I like the idea of allowing direction swaps when using an L/R. While swapping wasn't necessarily used for the best at the event, there are certain match ups where it can become kind of necessary.
I'd say that swapping spin direction mid-battle only really becomes important in Gravity versus Gravity match-ups (or if you're using Gravity and don't really know what you're doing going in to the first round and have to adapt your strategy mid-battle), which surprisingly weren't too frequently during this tournament.
Gravity may or may not be ban-worthy, but my feeling after this event is more of intrigue and excitement about it moving forward than anything else. Looking forward to seeing how it goes whenever we have another Limited event since we have gotten that first one out of our systems now. Hoping another community can host a Limited event soon too so we can gain a wider perspective.
Jesse's use of Virgo was so amazing haha. I do actually like it because it is decently heavy and has good Stamina (though obviously not the best); both of my losses against him with it were pretty close, but I think that if he had been using something like Scythe, Duo, or Flame in those cases it might have been an easier win for me since those Metal Wheels (with their Clear Wheels) are lighter (if I remember correctly). The reason why I think it found some success today was because there was little traditional Stamina going around; everyone was more concerned about Gravity than about using more proven Stamina Wheels to get the win. I considered using Stamina in both of my battles against Jesse–which probably would have allowed me to win–but I was more scared of him pulling out Gravity than anything else, so I held back and went with the "safe" choice of Gravity.
Interesting to see two different opinions about how powerful Gravity's Spin Direction change feature is. The way I see it, the Dual Spin feature is mostly lost on an Attack-focused wheel like Gravity. It's definitely a useful tool for getting around RS (as rare as that is) and Weak-Launching opponents, as well as totally screwing Meteo over, but Dual Spin on Attack is nowhere near as overpowered as it would be on a Defense or Stamina combo (imagine Dual Spin Synchrom BD145RDF/B:D in Standard). With that said, was there any reason that all of the placers used the Attack Perseus over the Stamina one? Was there just no Attackers other than Wyvang and Gravity, so the Defense boost from the Stamina Ver. wasn't needed?
Nice to see that Wyvang combo again too, but what's really cool is Jesse's use of MFB Circle Upper! I've been interested in it for a while and only just now got around to buying that 3-pack with Aries and Pisces. I can't wait to try it out sometime this month hopefully, and I'm especially looking foward to giving Hato's Staller combo another look on top of using in mainstream Stamina setups.
When I saved the draft for this post I made a note to comment about BWD, but I can't remember what I wanted to say about it. :\
Minoboros is actually something I've wanted to see tested as an Anti-Attack Layer for some time, so it's cool to see it do well here against VTX and VKV. I would be willing to bet that the less tendency to self-Burst is more Zephyr's doing (compared to the rubber Xtreme/Variable) rather than Minoboros, though.
(Oct. 22, 2016 9:10 PM)Bey Brad Wrote: (Oct. 22, 2016 9:08 PM)Mitsu Wrote: (Oct. 22, 2016 9:05 PM)Bey Brad Wrote: I used Z2HX haha
Can I ask how close the matches were?
Can't remember, I managed some KOs but hard to hit something on assault beyhaha
Protip: try launching on the same side of the tornado ridge as your opponent
But forreal, the combo kinda sounds like a glass cannon (like Spriggan Spread/Limited Xtreme) to me. How good are Z2's teeth that you would put it on Heavy Xtreme? You said you tried it at home, where would you place it power-wise in comparison to Valkyrie, V2, or Xcalibur?
(Oct. 23, 2016 5:12 PM)Chaitanya Breed Wrote: STD
1st Place:- Ashton Pinto
MSF-H Zirago ^2 90MF
2nd Place:-JKsiddh
Duo Cancer B:D
3rd Place:- Nik1392 (lol our old champion is back)
Duo Cancer B:D
Zirago ^2 90MF
That Zirago Staller's really been popping up a lot lately in India, so I'll have to give it a shot someday (along with the Bakushin Staller) albeit with Killerken or Saramanda on the bottom since I only have one Zirago. Did anyone have an answer for it at all (namely E230MB or Bahamdia Dragooon BD145GF)?
(Oct. 23, 2016 9:04 PM)Bey Brad Wrote: I'll be honest: I pulled Wyvern Heavy Yielding out of my pocket and attached and launched it without even looking at it. I thought I had attached Z2HX. But it ended up being against an aggressive combo, so my mistake worked out OK!
I hadn't planned to use that combo but the idea of it is to minimize the possibility of bursting.
Does Yielding actually Burst significantly less than, say, Revolve or Orbit? Genuinely asking since I don't yet own the part. If the idea was to minimize the possibility of Bursting, why Wyvern and Heavy over more Burst-resistant parts like D2/Neptune and Knuckle/Spread?
(Oct. 23, 2016 11:56 PM)Jimmyjazz39 Wrote: Jimmyjazz39's Birthday Celebration
Winning Combos for Zero-G Format:
Jimmyjazz39: Killerken Reviser E230CS, Genbu/Killerken Dragooon SA165EWD, MF-H Diablo Kerbecs SP230GCF
TheGrimRipper13: Phantom Cancer SA165AS, MSF-L Genbu Dragooon TR145EWD/AS
beymomdelaware: Diablo Beelzeb E230SB, Cosmic (hasbro) Bull W105BSF
Experimental Burst Format Winning Combos:
RecceRoosters13: Dark Deathscyther Gravity Gyro, Victory Valkyrie Force Variable [/size]
tinyfireball: Stock Storm Spriggan, Stock Kaiser Kerbeus, Dark Deathscyther Gravity Gyro
TheGrimRipper13: Kerbeus Knuckle Revolve, Odin Heavy Yielding, Xcalibur Knuckle Xtreme (never used)
How did you find AS, @[TheGrimRipper13]? I know there was some talk about it a while back but I don't think anything came of it. I haven't had a chance to really try mine out yet, but how did it fare vs opposite spin and how difficult was it to Zero-G KO?
@[Jimmyjazz39] you mentioned combos that were "in decks but never used", how often did the placers switch combos during Deck Rotation? Did players not feel incentivised to switch, or was it just a matter of them not having enough "good" parts to go around?