Winning Combinations at WBO Organized Play Events

(Oct. 22, 2016  4:47 PM)Hato Wrote: How did you find Z2HX, Brad? I am pretty sure Kei didn't like it that much since it was resulting in DBFs.

And what did you use Chaos assault for, @[Matsuro]?

I only used it once and kinda fluked out. I like it at home but it feels less reliable in tournaments.

I am pretty sure she did it randomly, and she won against me. I was totally unprepared for that. lol
Tbh i just chose virgo for its smoothness and it looked nice. Plus good for stamina
(Oct. 22, 2016  8:37 PM)JesseObre Wrote: and it looked nice.

''#1 burst format'' Serious

Bey Brad Wrote:I am pretty sure she did it randomly, and she won against me. I was totally unprepared for that. lol

LOL whAT
I used Z2HX haha
(Oct. 22, 2016  9:05 PM)Bey Brad Wrote: I used Z2HX haha

Can I ask how close the matches were?
(Oct. 22, 2016  9:08 PM)Mitsu Wrote:
(Oct. 22, 2016  9:05 PM)Bey Brad Wrote: I used Z2HX haha

Can I ask how close the matches were?

Can't remember, I managed some KOs but hard to hit something on assault beyhaha
(Oct. 22, 2016  8:48 PM)Mitsu Wrote:
(Oct. 22, 2016  8:37 PM)JesseObre Wrote: and it looked nice.

''#1 burst format'' Serious

Blame DHD lol
Hey @[JesseObre] How does BWD performed?
And Brad is OHD still dominating?
If I'd had D2, I probably would've used Odin less than I did.
[Mumbai, Maharastra, India] FIREFIRE's Birthday Showdown

STD
1st Place:- Ashton Pinto
MSF-H Zirago ^2 90MF

2nd Place:-JKsiddh
Duo Cancer B:D

3rd Place:- Nik1392 (lol our old champion is back)
Duo Cancer B:D
Zirago ^2 90MF

Well very few combos lol. Today that Zirago MF combo did really well not dominating but pretty great. Duo BD too but it was surely very easy to KO but due to those 2 "launch area" of BBC-03. All was launching in way it always go in those "2 launch areas" of BBC-03 and keep spinning there for good 10 secs and due to attack type combo's attack pattern got broken by hitting it will come back and get in middle then easily os attacker (note all attacker it faced was using MF like Flash MF or Zirago MF. I was only using RF based attacker but against it i used Dragoon GF. It can't os Duo BD btw)

Aaryan didnt uses his Duo 230MB this time. Due to it got both KOed and OSed by mine and MasterBeyStar's Dragoon BD145GF so I think he didnt used it after that. He used Zirago E230MB and Flash MF. Or else it might have did pretty well and surely have placed (seeing type of combos used at tournament)

Zero-G
1st Place:- Disaster (well thats why we call him King of the Zero-G)
Duo Cancer B:D
MF-H Flash Leone E230CS
Reviser Dragoon B:D
2nd:- HarryDestructor
Zirago Zirago GB145XF
MSF-H Flash Leone E230CS
Kraken Dragoon SA165WD

3rd:- Nik1392
Duo Cancer B:D
MF-H Flash Leone E230CS

Edit:- that Flash combo was made by Maximum Dranzer mostly to counter attackers and os that Duo BD using E230's disk. Its mostly like an "anti-mumbai-meta" of zero-g but it lose to left spin stamina btw
It's always so hard for me to comprehend the combos that are used in India haha.

(Oct. 22, 2016  4:35 PM)Bey Brad Wrote: [Montreal, QC] October 15, 2016 — Hyper Velocity (Metal Standard + Burst Test)

1st: Bey Brad

Odin Heavy Defense
Deathscyther Knuckle Revolve
Wyvern Heavy Yielding
Zillion Zeus Heavy Xtreme

Why Wyvern Heavy Yielding specifically, @[Bey Brad]?

(Oct. 22, 2016  6:31 PM)Mitsu Wrote: burstlimit — 10/15/16: TORONTO, ON
UNRANKED BURST FORMAT

1st place: pyrus10000 (Final Score: 6-2)
Deathscyther Heavy Defense
Dark Deathscyther Gravity Defense
Deathscyther Spread Revolve
Miniboros Heavy Zephyr

Minoboros was awesome in this tournament. Good enough to beat Deathscyther and Odin with some consistency, and I'd like to think it's good enough to beat things like Valkyrie too due to less tendency to self-Burst (which is what happened when he played MHZ against JesseObre's VTX in the round robin).

Going into the final battle–which was Deck Rotation–I knew with certainty that pyrus10000 would choose MHZ as one of the Beyblades in his Deck, but I failed to pick anything that could counter it effectively in mine. VHV does great against anything that isn't mobile, and I realized that when selecting my three Beyblades, hoping that OHO would be good against it ... I went up 4-1 in the battle and then ended up using OHO once and losing the round that tied it at 4-4 via Burst Finish. Apparently Minoboros is very good against Odin. I think I might have had a better chance if I played more aggressively with OHO, but in any case, I lost that round and went on to lose the battle! Really impressive and a great learning experience.


(Oct. 22, 2016  6:31 PM)Mitsu Wrote: Gravity in left-spin is something I was a bit unsure was worth unbanning. I had played around with Gravity GCF after Wombat had initially posted his F230CF tests and had started to lack faith. It—or Gravity paired with Metal Flat—weren't, however, issues, by any means and I do believe it's OK to keep in the game. Even so, I'm not sure how much I like the idea of allowing direction swaps when using an L/R. While swapping wasn't necessarily used for the best at the event, there are certain match ups where it can become kind of necessary.

As for JesseObre's use of Virgo, it definitely caught most of us by surprise. While I can't seem to understand why he used it as opposed to other Metal Wheels on F230CF and D125BWD, it seemed reasonable on 230MB as opposed to Scythe, which is much more hit-able from the bottom. Why over Flame, though, @[JesseObre]?

I'd say that swapping spin direction mid-battle only really becomes important in Gravity versus Gravity match-ups (or if you're using Gravity and don't really know what you're doing going in to the first round and have to adapt your strategy mid-battle), which surprisingly weren't too frequently during this tournament.

Gravity may or may not be ban-worthy, but my feeling after this event is more of intrigue and excitement about it moving forward than anything else. Looking forward to seeing how it goes whenever we have another Limited event since we have gotten that first one out of our systems now. Hoping another community can host a Limited event soon too so we can gain a wider perspective.

Jesse's use of Virgo was so amazing haha. I do actually like it because it is decently heavy and has good Stamina (though obviously not the best); both of my losses against him with it were pretty close, but I think that if he had been using something like Scythe, Duo, or Flame in those cases it might have been an easier win for me since those Metal Wheels (with their Clear Wheels) are lighter (if I remember correctly). The reason why I think it found some success today was because there was little traditional Stamina going around; everyone was more concerned about Gravity than about using more proven Stamina Wheels to get the win. I considered using Stamina in both of my battles against Jesse–which probably would have allowed me to win–but I was more scared of him pulling out Gravity than anything else, so I held back and went with the "safe" choice of Gravity.
I'll be honest: I pulled Wyvern Heavy Yielding out of my pocket and attached and launched it without even looking at it. I thought I had attached Z2HX. But it ended up being against an aggressive combo, so my mistake worked out OK!

I hadn't planned to use that combo but the idea of it is to minimize the possibility of bursting.
(Oct. 23, 2016  6:08 AM)vikrambeyblade Wrote: Hey @[JesseObre] How does BWD performed?
And Brad is OHD still dominating?

BWD is common for Zero-G as it is good it that format but it has about the same stamina as WD but has more height to virgo
Jimmyjazz39's Birthday Celebration

Winning Combos for Zero-G Format:
Jimmyjazz39: Killerken Reviser E230CS, Genbu/Killerken Dragooon SA165EWD, MF-H Diablo Kerbecs SP230GCF (couldn't get Sway Attack to Work; just barely beat a stock Diablo)
TheGrimRipper13: Phantom Cancer SA165AS, MSF-L Genbu Dragooon TR145EWD/AS
beymomdelaware: Diablo Beelzeb E230SB, Cosmic (hasbro) Bull W105BSF

Experimental Burst Format Winning Combos:
RecceRoosters13: Dark Deathscyther Gravity Gyro, Victory Valkyrie Force Variable (was in deck but never used)
tinyfireball: Stock Storm Spriggan (was use a lot since it was his only bey and he won. If D2GG was not borrowed he probably would not have made it to the finals), Stock Kaiser Kerbeus, Dark Deathscyther Gravity Gyro
TheGrimRipper13: Kerbeus Knuckle Revolve, Odin Heavy Yielding, Xcalibur Knuckle Xtreme (never used)
[Toronto, ON - 10/30/16] BEYwitched

1st: Mitsu
Deathscyther Spread Yielding
Deathscyther Spread Revolve
Dark Deathscyther Spread Defense
Deathscyther Heavy Revolve

2nd: Matsuro
Deathscyther Spread Revolve
Wyvern Heavy Revolve

3rd: JesseObre
Deathscyther Heavy Defense
Dark Deathscyther Gravity Defense
There's only one Wyvern and the rest are Deathscyther and Dark Ddathscyther. I think we have the same problem we had with Odin now with Deathscyther and Dark Deathscyther.
(Nov. 02, 2016  5:52 AM)TL14 Wrote: There's only one Wyvern and the rest are Deathscyther and Dark Ddathscyther. I think we have the same problem we had with Odin now with Deathscyther and Dark Deathscyther.

Important to note that we were playing outside in the relatively cold weather, so combos like Valtryek on Variable that were successful in recent Toronto events had a lot of trouble that day maybe partially because of their inability to grip the stadium as well in such conditions.

In almost all of our recent tournaments there were players (and usually at least one of the top three) who found some success with Attack, so this event might not be totally representative of what the metagame has been like lately.

And for example, even with that being said there were very close battles with more aggressive Beyblades that could have gone either way, like Matsuro (Valtryek Heavy Revolve) vs. Mitsu (Deathscyther Heavy Revolve?) in the finals where Mitsu won 3-2.
(Nov. 02, 2016  5:52 AM)TL14 Wrote: There's only one Wyvern and the rest are Deathscyther and Dark Ddathscyther. I think we have the same problem we had with Odin now with Deathscyther and Dark Deathscyther.

I can't help but feel that the advantage of hindsight on previous completed series, along with the efforts made in the Beyblade community to analyze and document them, have given people unreasonable expectations about game balance and the variety of combos that should be viable.

Yes, Deathscyther is useful. The top-tier Stamina Attack Ring/Wheel/Layer will always prominently show up in winning combos, no matter what it is. That's the nature of Beyblade. You would find similar situations at the same points in plastics, HMS and MFB at the same point in their lifecycles.

I do think Burst's balancing is slightly worse than these series but it's almost as much a factor of part durability as it is part design.

I also did well with Wyvern but 2 losses was enough to not advance. Matsuro lost a match vs. DHD with Valtryek HR 3-2, and could've won with a different launching technique. It's important to remember that winning combos, just like combo tests, cannot give a complete picture of what is a very subjective game with elements of randomness.
Oh wow so much to reply to. I missed a lot between midterms and halloween haha

(Oct. 22, 2016  6:31 PM)Mitsu Wrote: 1st place: JesseObre (Final Score: 6-2)
MF Virgo 230MB
MF Virgo D125BWD
MF Virgo F230CF
MF-H Gravity Perseus (Attack) CH120RB
Flame Orion 230CS

2nd place: Kei (Final Score: 5-3)
MF-H Gravity Perseus (Attack) 90RB
MF Flame Hades 230CS
MF-L Scythe Gemios B:D
MSF-H Bandid Wyvang H145 (Mold 2) RB
MF-H Earth Cygnus 85CS

3rd place: 1234beyblade (Final Score: 4-4)
MF Flame Cygnus F230CS
MF-H Scythe Cygnus LW105MF
MF-H Gravity Perseus (Attack) F230CF
(Oct. 23, 2016  8:28 PM)Kei Wrote: Minoboros was awesome in this tournament. Good enough to beat Deathscyther and Odin with some consistency, and I'd like to think it's good enough to beat things like Valkyrie too due to less tendency to self-Burst (which is what happened when he played MHZ against JesseObre's VTX in the round robin).

Going into the final battle–which was Deck Rotation–I knew with certainty that pyrus10000 would choose MHZ as one of the Beyblades in his Deck, but I failed to pick anything that could counter it effectively in mine. VHV does great against anything that isn't mobile, and I realized that when selecting my three Beyblades, hoping that OHO would be good against it ... I went up 4-1 in the battle and then ended up using OHO once and losing the round that tied it at 4-4 via Burst Finish. Apparently Minoboros is very good against Odin. I think I might have had a better chance if I played more aggressively with OHO, but in any case, I lost that round and went on to lose the battle! Really impressive and a great learning experience.


(Oct. 22, 2016  6:31 PM)Mitsu Wrote: Gravity in left-spin is something I was a bit unsure was worth unbanning. I had played around with Gravity GCF after Wombat had initially posted his F230CF tests and had started to lack faith. It—or Gravity paired with Metal Flat—weren't, however, issues, by any means and I do believe it's OK to keep in the game. Even so, I'm not sure how much I like the idea of allowing direction swaps when using an L/R. While swapping wasn't necessarily used for the best at the event, there are certain match ups where it can become kind of necessary.

I'd say that swapping spin direction mid-battle only really becomes important in Gravity versus Gravity match-ups (or if you're using Gravity and don't really know what you're doing going in to the first round and have to adapt your strategy mid-battle), which surprisingly weren't too frequently during this tournament.

Gravity may or may not be ban-worthy, but my feeling after this event is more of intrigue and excitement about it moving forward than anything else. Looking forward to seeing how it goes whenever we have another Limited event since we have gotten that first one out of our systems now. Hoping another community can host a Limited event soon too so we can gain a wider perspective.

Jesse's use of Virgo was so amazing haha. I do actually like it because it is decently heavy and has good Stamina (though obviously not the best); both of my losses against him with it were pretty close, but I think that if he had been using something like Scythe, Duo, or Flame in those cases it might have been an easier win for me since those Metal Wheels (with their Clear Wheels) are lighter (if I remember correctly). The reason why I think it found some success today was because there was little traditional Stamina going around; everyone was more concerned about Gravity than about using more proven Stamina Wheels to get the win. I considered using Stamina in both of my battles against Jesse–which probably would have allowed me to win–but I was more scared of him pulling out Gravity than anything else, so I held back and went with the "safe" choice of Gravity.

Interesting to see two different opinions about how powerful Gravity's Spin Direction change feature is. The way I see it, the Dual Spin feature is mostly lost on an Attack-focused wheel like Gravity. It's definitely a useful tool for getting around RS (as rare as that is) and Weak-Launching opponents, as well as totally screwing Meteo over, but Dual Spin on Attack is nowhere near as overpowered as it would be on a Defense or Stamina combo (imagine Dual Spin Synchrom BD145RDF/B:D in Standard). With that said, was there any reason that all of the placers used the Attack Perseus over the Stamina one? Was there just no Attackers other than Wyvang and Gravity, so the Defense boost from the Stamina Ver. wasn't needed?

Nice to see that Wyvang combo again too, but what's really cool is Jesse's use of MFB Circle Upper! I've been interested in it for a while and only just now got around to buying that 3-pack with Aries and Pisces. I can't wait to try it out sometime this month hopefully, and I'm especially looking foward to giving Hato's Staller combo another look on top of using in mainstream Stamina setups.

When I saved the draft for this post I made a note to comment about BWD, but I can't remember what I wanted to say about it. :\

Minoboros is actually something I've wanted to see tested as an Anti-Attack Layer for some time, so it's cool to see it do well here against VTX and VKV. I would be willing to bet that the less tendency to self-Burst is more Zephyr's doing (compared to the rubber Xtreme/Variable) rather than Minoboros, though.

(Oct. 22, 2016  9:10 PM)Bey Brad Wrote:
(Oct. 22, 2016  9:08 PM)Mitsu Wrote:
(Oct. 22, 2016  9:05 PM)Bey Brad Wrote: I used Z2HX haha

Can I ask how close the matches were?

Can't remember, I managed some KOs but hard to hit something on assault beyhaha

Protip: try launching on the same side of the tornado ridge as your opponent

But forreal, the combo kinda sounds like a glass cannon (like Spriggan Spread/Limited Xtreme) to me. How good are Z2's teeth that you would put it on Heavy Xtreme? You said you tried it at home, where would you place it power-wise in comparison to Valkyrie, V2, or Xcalibur?

(Oct. 23, 2016  5:12 PM)Chaitanya Breed Wrote: STD
1st Place:- Ashton Pinto
MSF-H Zirago ^2 90MF

2nd Place:-JKsiddh
Duo Cancer B:D

3rd Place:- Nik1392 (lol our old champion is back)
Duo Cancer B:D
Zirago ^2 90MF

That Zirago Staller's really been popping up a lot lately in India, so I'll have to give it a shot someday (along with the Bakushin Staller) albeit with Killerken or Saramanda on the bottom since I only have one Zirago. Did anyone have an answer for it at all (namely E230MB or Bahamdia Dragooon BD145GF)?

(Oct. 23, 2016  9:04 PM)Bey Brad Wrote: I'll be honest: I pulled Wyvern Heavy Yielding out of my pocket and attached and launched it without even looking at it. I thought I had attached Z2HX. But it ended up being against an aggressive combo, so my mistake worked out OK!

I hadn't planned to use that combo but the idea of it is to minimize the possibility of bursting.

Does Yielding actually Burst significantly less than, say, Revolve or Orbit? Genuinely asking since I don't yet own the part. If the idea was to minimize the possibility of Bursting, why Wyvern and Heavy over more Burst-resistant parts like D2/Neptune and Knuckle/Spread?

(Oct. 23, 2016  11:56 PM)Jimmyjazz39 Wrote: Jimmyjazz39's Birthday Celebration

Winning Combos for Zero-G Format:
Jimmyjazz39: Killerken Reviser E230CS, Genbu/Killerken Dragooon SA165EWD, MF-H Diablo Kerbecs SP230GCF
TheGrimRipper13: Phantom Cancer SA165AS, MSF-L Genbu Dragooon TR145EWD/AS
beymomdelaware: Diablo Beelzeb E230SB, Cosmic (hasbro) Bull W105BSF

Experimental Burst Format Winning Combos:
RecceRoosters13: Dark Deathscyther Gravity Gyro, Victory Valkyrie Force Variable [/size]
tinyfireball: Stock Storm Spriggan, Stock Kaiser Kerbeus, Dark Deathscyther Gravity Gyro
TheGrimRipper13: Kerbeus Knuckle Revolve, Odin Heavy Yielding, Xcalibur Knuckle Xtreme (never used)

How did you find AS, @[TheGrimRipper13]? I know there was some talk about it a while back but I don't think anything came of it. I haven't had a chance to really try mine out yet, but how did it fare vs opposite spin and how difficult was it to Zero-G KO?

@[Jimmyjazz39] you mentioned combos that were "in decks but never used", how often did the placers switch combos during Deck Rotation? Did players not feel incentivised to switch, or was it just a matter of them not having enough "good" parts to go around?
I bought it on amazon. It was from that black and orange Sol blaze. AS is pretty easy to KO with normal smash attack (KO by Cosmic Bull W105BSF and Diablo Nemesis X:D) but it is extremely hard to sway out. I lost the last match with Phantom Cancer SA165AS to Jimmyjazz39's Killerken Dragoon SA165EWD. I like it on my spin stealer MSF-L Genbu Dragoon TR145AS although I used it as more of an anti-spin stealer to counter Jimmyjazz39's Genbu Dragoon SA165EWD.
@[Wombat] As you could expect, none of the attack types were used. even in deck rotation, nobody felt safe enough use attack types (except me, I guess that's why I lost lol). Reeceroosters13 always used D2GG so I sorta figured he would not change. I guess it was partially that there wasn't enough "good parts" (Reece had the most parts, he had a OG D. none of us had much experience with burst; I mainly just did this format for the beylotto lol) but also nobody felt they could use attack types, which seem like it happens a lot
Quote:But forreal, the combo kinda sounds like a glass cannon (like Spriggan Spread/Limited Xtreme) to me. How good are Z2's teeth that you would put it on Heavy Xtreme? You said you tried it at home, where would you place it power-wise in comparison to Valkyrie, V2, or Xcalibur?

I don't find Z2 to burst much at all on Xtreme, to be honest. The bigger issue was just failing to KO or Burst and losing to outspin. At home I managed at least 60% against DSR, D2HD, and OHD with this combo, but clearly being at a tournament is something else ...

It has more of an upper attack style than any of the smashers listed above, and I found it to be pretty good at bursting stuff. But these are all just observations. I'll try to find more time to test it for-real soon, but I've lost a bit of faith in it. haha
(Nov. 04, 2016  8:24 AM)Wombat Wrote:
(Oct. 23, 2016  5:12 PM)Chaitanya Breed Wrote: STD
1st Place:- Ashton Pinto
MSF-H Zirago ^2 90MF

2nd Place:-JKsiddh
Duo Cancer BGrin

3rd Place:- Nik1392 (lol our old champion is back)
Duo Cancer BGrin
Zirago ^2 90MF

That Zirago Staller's really been popping up a lot lately in India, so I'll have to give it a shot someday (along with the Bakushin Staller) albeit with Killerken or Saramanda on the bottom since I only have one Zirago. Did anyone have an answer for it at all (namely E230MB or Bahamdia Dragooon BD145GF)?

Thanks lol. I think Gryph or Ifried would work better on Zirago. Yup me and harry tried countering it. I used that Bahamdia Dragoon GF. Which I self KOed in 2 rounds lol and in last. It lost in 3 due to not being able to make contact with it. I later tried same combos at home and 29th event but this time without metal face. It osed it (though I lost 1 round due to self KO and another due to i tried launching GF in same place which worked but Yash's Zirago KOed lol. In 3rd it self KOed and he won by 3-2. I should have stick with weak launch lol). Against Nik1392. Harry used Zirago Zirago E230MB and won by 3-0.

Lol surely it place many times here but its not really 'dominating like Death BD145CS'. Many used stamina and attack type (that even MF based) so it won easily. RF based attacker (with string launcher lol) can win against it. [/spoiler]

Some combos that can beat it Golden-Genbu-Spoiler (Click to View)
Winning Combos for Night of the Spinning Dead II
JoJo [Jp0t]-1st Place
Revizer Revizer BD145 RDF
MF-H Death Kerbecs SA165 WD
MF-L Phantom Virgo 90 WD

Alta-2nd Place
MF-M Wyvang/Dragooon Dragooon/Wyvang BD145 RDF

ThaKingTai-3rd Place
Killerken Reviser BD145 WD
MF-H Flash Orion GB145 LRF
(Nov. 04, 2016  10:16 PM)ThaKingTai Wrote: Winning Combos for Night of the Spinning Dead II
JoJo [Jp0t]-1st Place
Revizer Revizer BD145 RDF
MF-H Death Kerbecs SA165 WD
MF-L Phantom Virgo 90 WD

Alta-2nd Place
MF-M Wyvang/Dragooon Dragooon/Wyvang BD145 RDF

ThaKingTai-3rd Place
Killerken Reviser BD145 WD
MF-H Flash Orion GB145 LRF
How does Death Kerbecs and Phantom Virgo performed. Against which opponent you used them @[JoJo[Jp0t]