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Sep. 09, 2013  6:21 PM
 
(Sep. 09, 2013  4:14 AM)Kei Wrote: There's no point in debating whether CF or GCF is better for F230 at this point, in my opinion. They're both good enough to be listed.


Totally agree with that. Joyful_3

However... do you think it would be a good idea to list them now? I mean, few people on here actually have a good orange F230, and it hasn't been tested much in the BB-10 at all... sure, Death did pretty well, but do we have any formal testing for Dragooon yet? :\ I don't know... It's a little to soon IMHO.

Anywho, about a final draft, does anyone actually object to anything on this?

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Sep. 09, 2013  8:53 PM
 
For Revizer Dragooon SA165RDF, I would include BD145... IIRC some people prefer BD145 over the taller SA165.
Sep. 09, 2013  9:00 PM
 
I agree, it gives it a defensive edge.
Sep. 09, 2013  9:20 PM
 
Actually, the main reason is to keep the combo's height down... a few people claimed that the tall tip and Track caused it to be somewhat unstable.
Sep. 09, 2013  9:45 PM
 
(Sep. 09, 2013  8:53 PM)Cake Wrote: For Revizer Dragooon SA165RDF, I would include BD145... IIRC some people prefer BD145 over the taller SA165.

Well, Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF is already up there. Confused IIRC that's just an improvement on Reviser Dragooon BD145RDF... I don't really see a reason to put Reviser there when Wyvang is clearly superior.
Sep. 09, 2013  9:55 PM
 
Wyvang only works with a agro RDF right?
Sep. 09, 2013  10:40 PM
 
(Sep. 09, 2013  9:55 PM)AZL Wrote: Wyvang only works with a agro RDF right?

Em... No, I don't believe so. :\ As long as it has traction, Wyvang can KO stamina types easily most of the time.
Sep. 10, 2013  1:07 AM
 
(Sep. 09, 2013  9:45 PM)theblackdragon Wrote:
(Sep. 09, 2013  8:53 PM)Cake Wrote: For Revizer Dragooon SA165RDF, I would include BD145... IIRC some people prefer BD145 over the taller SA165.

Well, Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF is already up there. Confused IIRC that's just an improvement on Reviser Dragooon BD145RDF... I don't really see a reason to put Reviser there when Wyvang is clearly superior.

Then wouldn't Wyvang outclass Revizer SA165 too?
Chocked_2
Sep. 10, 2013  1:17 AM
 
I'm pretty down with that list.

Reviser Dragooon BD145RDF is a darn good left-spin defense type, which our current lists don't really address well. I'd say that adding left-spin defenders would be a good project for the next list's iteration.
Sep. 10, 2013  2:40 AM
 
(Sep. 10, 2013  1:07 AM)Cake Wrote:
(Sep. 09, 2013  9:45 PM)theblackdragon Wrote:
(Sep. 09, 2013  8:53 PM)Cake Wrote: For Revizer Dragooon SA165RDF, I would include BD145... IIRC some people prefer BD145 over the taller SA165.

Well, Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF is already up there. Confused IIRC that's just an improvement on Reviser Dragooon BD145RDF... I don't really see a reason to put Reviser there when Wyvang is clearly superior.

Then wouldn't Wyvang outclass Revizer SA165 too?
Chocked_2

Because Reviser Dragooon SA165RDF is a spin-equalizer, and if you increase its recoil it will be much less effective at stealing spin, whereas Wyvang Dragooon is a defense type, so adding smash just helps against its weakness: stamina. Wink

Ingulit: That's great! Smile Does anyone else object to anything? If not we might be able to send this off to the advanced forum...
Sep. 10, 2013  2:43 AM
 
I just checked it out...

really, really, nice job!

I think I speak for the entire community, when I say its amazing how much effort you put into this!
Sep. 10, 2013  2:49 AM
 
I personally like the list that TheBlackDragon has up!

But wait, where's F230 on that list? Genbull Dragooon F230CF/GCF?

Nice! Smile
Sep. 10, 2013  2:54 AM
 
Personally, I think Girago Dragooon F230 GCF is good enough to go up, and like I said, hate H145, but I can agree with the rest.

@Left spin defense: I hate left spin defense. If you know what your doing, preeeety easy to KO. Just destabilize it and give it a good push, and there ya go...
Sep. 10, 2013  2:55 AM
 
Ok I'll try:
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Sep. 10, 2013  2:55 AM
 
H145 is really good from my experiences... it also takes down those pesky Scythe combos... it has won in tournaments recently too. I haven't really seen tests on left spin defense besides Drgaoon SA165RDF
Sep. 10, 2013  6:24 AM
 
(Sep. 10, 2013  2:40 AM)theblackdragon Wrote:
(Sep. 10, 2013  1:07 AM)Cake Wrote:
(Sep. 09, 2013  9:45 PM)theblackdragon Wrote: Well, Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF is already up there. Confused IIRC that's just an improvement on Reviser Dragooon BD145RDF... I don't really see a reason to put Reviser there when Wyvang is clearly superior.

Then wouldn't Wyvang outclass Revizer SA165 too?
Chocked_2

Because Reviser Dragooon SA165RDF is a spin-equalizer, and if you increase its recoil it will be much less effective at stealing spin, whereas Wyvang Dragooon is a defense type, so adding smash just helps against its weakness: stamina. Wink

Ingulit: That's great! Smile Does anyone else object to anything? If not we might be able to send this off to the advanced forum...
Ah, so Wyvang is more left-spin defense while Revizer is a defensive equalizer, I get it Smile
Sep. 10, 2013  1:19 PM
 
LMAO: F230 just needs more testing in the BB-10 first... I'm not denying that it totally rocks, but we don't have any formal testing recorded for it yet. :\ I think it would be great to add eventually, but IMO it's not a good idea to put something on the tier list with no valid, standard test results to back it up... If you ask me, I think we should wait 'till next time, when we can get our hands on some testing. Wink

ShinobuXD: My opinion is the same here... Confused I don't believe Girago Dragooon has any results posted, much less confirmed ones.

As for H145, what exactly was your problem with it? I think it's awesome... XD

Overall, for _______F230CF and Girago Dragooon E230GCF, I think it would be a good idea to wait until we have valid, confirmed test results to back them up. I have no doubt that they work, but no tests = uncertainty for people who don't own the parts. :\ Solid, confirmed information is always better to have, IMHO. Smile
Sep. 10, 2013  4:45 PM
 
Death on e230 is another thing that needs to be looked into because of how deep e230 extends into the metal wheel.
Sep. 10, 2013  5:56 PM
 
(Sep. 10, 2013  4:45 PM)Time Wrote: Death on e230 is another thing that needs to be looked into because of how deep e230 extends into the metal wheel.

I hope you don't mind me asking... how exactly would that be beneficial? :\ E230 is used for defense, and putting a light metal wheel that extends lower (is more likely to make metal-to-metal contact) is just disadvantageous in the face of Synchrom (heavy, higher off the ground), IMHO, since E230 is absorbing all of the hits.

That's exactly why I don't like Duo on E230; I just don't think it's the most effective choice. Confused

Plus, you would probably just wanna use Duo anyway. Wink

EDIT: Is everybody down on the list so far?

EDIT#2: Kyler: No RDF for defense?? Crying You made it sad... JK XD
Sep. 10, 2013  8:59 PM
 
The lower height allows death to use its grinding ability against opposite spin to outspin. I don't have any formal tests I have just seen it a lot at tournaments. Particularly, Death E230 CF

edit: shoot, my bad this is bb-10, I was thinking this was zero-g
Sep. 12, 2013  11:09 PM
 
does flash still deserve on the tier list? I mean it's said as soon as I find out I have a top-tier part I find out it's outclassed and I was a tad with the flash testing thread wich I read 3 times I already know Balro Balro and Wyvang Wyvang do it's job better but I think it should be on the tier list but what I want to know is wether you think it should be on the tier list or not cause according to the lis Kyler_thebest has it's not on there Unhappy

EDIT: how come rdf's not on there for defence?
Sep. 12, 2013  11:19 PM
 
Flash still has enough Attack power to be competitive, and its high Stamina in comparison to other Attack types makes MF Flash Orion W145MF a deadly combo. Granted, it's not as good as it used to be, but it's still a very viable option.
Sep. 12, 2013  11:26 PM
 
Flash is beginning to be outclassed by synchromes like Wyvang^2.
Sep. 12, 2013  11:29 PM
 
yeah I stated that including Balro*2 but not alot of people have the money to buy 2 BBG-25's and don;t even get me started on the parents...
Sep. 12, 2013  11:43 PM
 
My draft:
ATTACK
MF-H Flash Orion/Belzeeb/Ionis GB145/W145/H145/S130/CH120 R2F/LRF/RF
Flash Orion/Belzeeb/Ionis W145 MF

MSF-H Wyvang^2 GB145/W145/H145/CH120 R2F/LRF/RF

Wyvang Dragooon SA165 RF/R2F/LRF (RF probably works the best).

MSF-H Balro^2 S130/CH120/W145 R2F/LRF/RF

Bahamida Ifraid H145/CH120/S130/SA165/W145 RF/R2F/LRF

BALANCE
Wyvang^2 BD145RSF

Revizer Dragooon E230CF/GCF (defeats many Wyvang/Balro combos).

Phantom Cygnus 90/85MF

Duo Aquario/Cygnus/cancer 230MB (it is weak agianst attack though).

Diablo Kerbecs/Striker BD145 RF/R2F

Duo/Death Cygnus/Aquario/Cancer F230CF/GCF

Wyvang Dragooon BD145/SA165RDF

MSF-L/F Girago^2 BD145RF/R2F
DEFENSE
MF-H Scythe Uranus/Picses/Horuseus (maybe) 85 RS

MSF-H Revizer/Killerken Revizer/Killerken E230/BD145 RSF/RB/RDF/CS

MF-H Duo Bull/Aquario/Cygnus E230/BD145 RDF/RSF/RB/CS.
STAMINA
Duo Cancer/Aquario/Cygnus/Hades W145/AD145 BWD/WD
Duo 160 PD
Duo TH170 D/SD
Duo 230 D/SD

Phantom Hades/Cancer/Cygnus W145/AD145 WD
Phantom TH170 D/SD
Phantom 230 D/SD

Genbull^2 SR200/TH170 TB/CS

Revizer Dragooon SA165 EWD/WD


Need to test Girago KillerKen W145GF
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