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MF-H Phantom (Attack) Cancer/Cygnus 85RB
Haha, my first testing thread! This custom is designed to beat Attack customs by using their own recoil and Phantom's Attack power to cause them to lose their grip on the Stadium floor, allowing Phantom to KO extremely heavy customs it normally would lose horribly to. It is similar to Scythe Uranus 85RS, but does better against Stamina, though, unfortunately, not good enough to make it a viable anti-Stamina pick.
Parts choice:
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Phantom
Phantom is chosen obviously for its excellent Stamina and good Attack potential when in Attack mode. Scythe's PC Frame blocks attacks nicely, but Phantom relies on its low height and its opponent's recoil to avoid a deadly hit. Phantom is also chosen over Duo because the intent, while unusual, is to expose as much metal and Attack power as possible; Duo's low shape and smooth surface unfortunately make it unacceptable as a choice.
Cancer/Cygnus
Cancer and Cygnus are both heavy Clear Wheels that offer excellent Stamina potential on Phantom.
85
The lowest Track in existence, 85 allows Phantom to avoid the brunt of opponents' attacks, and causes their recoil to send them up and away. It also gives Phantom a good deal of stability and balance due to the low COG it provides.
RB
RB is a very strong Defense tip, and has some aggressive movement which aids in landing KOs against Stamina. It also does not have RDF's scraping issues when Force Smashed, which Phantom will have to tolerate quite a bit. It's also tall enough and re-balances quickly enough that, in my experience, Phantom has never floor scraped because of Force Smash other than at the very end of the battle, when Phantom was doomed anyways. I tried CS, but it didn't have enough Defense power. RSF is a good secondary choice if you don't have RB.
Metal Face Heavy
The MF-H gives Phantom more Defense ability and more Attack power, and dampens its own recoil.
Phantom is chosen obviously for its excellent Stamina and good Attack potential when in Attack mode. Scythe's PC Frame blocks attacks nicely, but Phantom relies on its low height and its opponent's recoil to avoid a deadly hit. Phantom is also chosen over Duo because the intent, while unusual, is to expose as much metal and Attack power as possible; Duo's low shape and smooth surface unfortunately make it unacceptable as a choice.
Cancer/Cygnus
Cancer and Cygnus are both heavy Clear Wheels that offer excellent Stamina potential on Phantom.
85
The lowest Track in existence, 85 allows Phantom to avoid the brunt of opponents' attacks, and causes their recoil to send them up and away. It also gives Phantom a good deal of stability and balance due to the low COG it provides.
RB
RB is a very strong Defense tip, and has some aggressive movement which aids in landing KOs against Stamina. It also does not have RDF's scraping issues when Force Smashed, which Phantom will have to tolerate quite a bit. It's also tall enough and re-balances quickly enough that, in my experience, Phantom has never floor scraped because of Force Smash other than at the very end of the battle, when Phantom was doomed anyways. I tried CS, but it didn't have enough Defense power. RSF is a good secondary choice if you don't have RB.
Metal Face Heavy
The MF-H gives Phantom more Defense ability and more Attack power, and dampens its own recoil.
Testing:
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(Sep. 25, 2013 1:40 AM)Cake Wrote: WOO TESTING RESULTS
I've been using MF-H Phantom (Attack) Cancer 85RB, since atm that's my favorite variant - don't worry, I'll do CS tomorrow.
I'm fairly sure there's a trick to get RB to move in a flower pattern, but it is not a Sliding Shoot. A regular bank causes RB to just Tornado Stall very, very slowly. Instead, RB must be banked in reverse- so that the beyblade faces away from the center, exposing RB's edge to the stadium floor. This makes it move in a quick, loose flower pattern. I'm having difficulty controlling it (it often winds up Tornado Stalling when I don't want it to, or attacks when I want it to stall) so the results aren't as good as I would like.
That is, except against Attack.
Attack testing-
=====================================================================Spoiler (Click to View)vs. Wyvang Begirados CH120/CH145RF
120 height-
145 height-Spoiler (Click to View)Wyvang wins: 5
Phantom wins: 15
Phantom win %: 75%
While Phantom put up an impressive 75% win rate against Wyvang at both heights, I felt like it did better against 145 height - two of CH145's wins were random flukes, including one where Phantom was destabilized and ran out on its own, something that never happened again in the other 69 rounds of testing. Also, Phantom KOed Wyvang several times at that height, and seemed to do better in general. Also in CH145's favor was that the 145 testing was done second, after I had gotten a bit better at Sliding Shoot with it. Furthermore, I did everything I could to make it the least fair for Phantom, launching Wyvang directly next to/into/onto Phantom then Wyvang was launched second. Wyvang only had a chance when it was able to hit Phantom once to knock it to the Tornado Ridge, and then immediately hit it again and out. If Phantom lived through the first few seconds, which it did often due to RB's evasive aggro movement, it was pretty much safe.Spoiler (Click to View)Wyvang wins: 5
Phantom wins: 15
Phantom win %: 75%
I also did informal testing with Balro as the bottom Wheel, but Balro did even worse than Wyvang against this combo - it self-KOed almost every time. BD145 Attack combos didn't do much either, because BD145 was really the only thing making contact with the extremely low Phantom.
With RB, the results against Stamina were disappointing. I still don't have RB's aggro launch down yet, so I had a lot of difficulty getting KOs consistently.
Stamina testing-
=====================================================================Spoiler (Click to View)vs. Revizer Dragooon SA165EWD
vs. Death Cancer W145WDSpoiler (Click to View)Dragooon wins: 10
Phantom wins: 0
Phantom win %: 0%
This was very, very disappointing. Phantom could usually OHKO Revizer Dragooon on my aggro CS, but on RB I couldn't get it to be aggressive enough to KO consistently. Even when I did get a good hit, it wasn't as powerful as CS's were, and they didn't quite reach the edge of the stadium.
In informal testing, Phantom didn't do well against BD145RDF and SA165RDF Dragooon variants, even with Tornado Stalling. CS did quite a bit better in that regard, since RB was hard to stall properly.
Spoiler (Click to View)Death wins: 12
Phantom wins: 8
Phantom win %: 40%
By this time I was quite a bit better with RB's aggro motion than I was against Dragooon, and that combined with Death's much lighter weight made it considerably easier to win against. Again CS did much better here - it walloped on Death with ease - but RB did fairly well. I certainly wouldn't choose this combo if my opponent might use Stamina, not unless I become a master with RB, but it's much better results than, say, Scythe Uranus 85RS would get. Duo would probably be more effective against Phantom, but I don't have one atm, and GuardianRevizer will never let me use his
EDIT: On a semi-related note, all 70 rounds of testing and untold numbers of informal rounds have scraped/polished my once-oxidized Phantom to the point where, along the outer edge, I can see a fuzzy refection of myself.
Counters:
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Revizer Dragooon SA165RDF/EWD/WD
Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF
Revizer Killerken BD145/SA165RDF
Defense-Stamina hybrids and RDF in general
Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF
Revizer Killerken BD145/SA165RDF
Defense-Stamina hybrids and RDF in general
I don't entirely trust my own abilities with Attack, and I don't have two Wyvangs or Genbull, so I'd like to see some other people try this out.
Attack testing is what's most important; I'll do Defense testing later; all I've done with Defense has been informal, but fairly conclusively proved that this won't beat RDF or other Defense/Stamina hybrids.
Current list of future possible usernames:
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Muffin
Pie
Wonderbread Man
The Cake Meister
Cornwalis
Meliodas
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TheCakeIsALie
MY FOOD
Michael Bay
Abe Simpson
Victoria Justice
Carl Carlson
Bae Brad
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Pie
Wonderbread Man
The Cake Meister
Cornwalis
Meliodas
bakerycakepies
freshccdumpseuro
gOodCHeepDealzz&dUmppzz
TheCakeIsALie
MY FOOD
Michael Bay
Abe Simpson
Victoria Justice
Carl Carlson
Bae Brad
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Parts: (Out of date again)
Combos: (Standard)
Combos: (Limited)
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Metal Wheels:
Chrome Wheels:
Clear Wheels:
Crystal Wheels:
Tracks:
Tips:
4D bottoms:
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Bakushin
Burn x2
Cyclone
Death
Diablo
Divine
Earth
Fury
Galaxy
Gravity x3
Hell x3
Inferno
Jade
Kries
L-Drago Destroy
Libra
Lightning
Pegasus
Phantom x2
Poison
Screw
Thermal
Vulcan
Clay (all by itself cuz it sux)
Burn x2
Cyclone
Death
Diablo
Divine
Earth
Fury
Galaxy
Gravity x3
Hell x3
Inferno
Jade
Kries
L-Drago Destroy
Libra
Lightning
Pegasus
Phantom x2
Poison
Screw
Thermal
Vulcan
Clay (all by itself cuz it sux)
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Bahamidia
Balro
Begirados x2
Dragooon
Genbull x2
Girago
Goriem x2
Gryph x2
Ifraid
Killerken
Phoenic
Revizer x2
Saramanda
Wyvang
Balro
Begirados x2
Dragooon
Genbull x2
Girago
Goriem x2
Gryph x2
Ifraid
Killerken
Phoenic
Revizer x2
Saramanda
Wyvang
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Aquario
Beelzeb x2
Cancer x2
Capricorn x2
Cetus
Crown
Cygnus
Horogium
Horuseus x2
Jupiter
Kerbecs x2
Lacerta
Leone
Orion x2
Pegasus II
Pegasus III
Pisces
Quetzalcoatl
Sagittario x2
Sagittario II
Scorpio
Virgo
Wolf
Beelzeb x2
Cancer x2
Capricorn x2
Cetus
Crown
Cygnus
Horogium
Horuseus x2
Jupiter
Kerbecs x2
Lacerta
Leone
Orion x2
Pegasus II
Pegasus III
Pisces
Quetzalcoatl
Sagittario x2
Sagittario II
Scorpio
Virgo
Wolf
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Bandid
Berserker x2
Dark Knight
Gladiator
Guardian
Samurai x2
Shinobi x2
Theif x2
Berserker x2
Dark Knight
Gladiator
Guardian
Samurai x2
Shinobi x2
Theif x2
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85 x2
90 x2
100 x2
105
CH120
125 x2
T125 x2
D125
130 x2
WA130 x2
S130
145 x3
W145 x2
Ad145
C145
ED145
WD145
UW145
SW145
TR145
GB145
BD145
160 x2
SA165
SR200 x2
230
F230
A230
E230
SP230
90 x2
100 x2
105
CH120
125 x2
T125 x2
D125
130 x2
WA130 x2
S130
145 x3
W145 x2
Ad145
C145
ED145
WD145
UW145
SW145
TR145
GB145
BD145
160 x2
SA165
SR200 x2
230
F230
A230
E230
SP230
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B
BS
BWD x2
CF x2
CS
D
DS
EDS
EWD
FS
GCF
GF
HF x3
JSB
MF
RB
RDF
RF x2
R2F
RS x3
RSF
S x2
SB x2
SD x2
SWD
TB x2
WB
WD x4
WSF
W2D
XF x3
BS
BWD x2
CF x2
CS
D
DS
EDS
EWD
FS
GCF
GF
HF x3
JSB
MF
RB
RDF
RF x2
R2F
RS x3
RSF
S x2
SB x2
SD x2
SWD
TB x2
WB
WD x4
WSF
W2D
XF x3
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B : D
D : D
F : S
X : D
D : D
F : S
X : D
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MSF-H Genbull Genbull 85RSF
Balro Begirados 100RF
Girago Genbull E230CS
MSF-H Wyvang Ifraid GB145RF
Girago Dragooon SA165 (Attack) W2D
Balro Begirados 100RF
Girago Genbull E230CS
MSF-H Wyvang Ifraid GB145RF
Girago Dragooon SA165 (Attack) W2D
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MF-H Lightning L-Drago 85RB (Aggro)
MF-H Jade Horogium 85RSF
MF-H Earth Cygnus TR145RSF
Ronin Genbull (Crystal Up) 85RF
Burn Orion 85MF
Burn Cygnus 85WD
Earth Pegasus II ED145WD
MF-H Jade Horogium 85RSF
MF-H Earth Cygnus TR145RSF
Ronin Genbull (Crystal Up) 85RF
Burn Orion 85MF
Burn Cygnus 85WD
Earth Pegasus II ED145WD
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(Aug. 29, 2013 8:42 PM)rkalajian Wrote: So today I just got in the Octogon Battle Set from the BeyWarriors line...
It's just NOT good. The stadium is pretty cool, but I couldn't hate the BeyWarriors more. They spin horribly, and the battles are like to people spinning around while slapping each other with fish. It just doesn't feel as exciting, and has a WAY less powerful feel that regular Beys.
Bleh...
Ultramarine Wrote:Revizer offers as much smash as I do free puppies. There's a reason it's top tier in defence.
(Sep. 28, 2013 10:16 PM)Ultramarine Wrote: On the way back to school after a cross country meet, my friend and I argued for the whole 1 hour 33 minute bus ride. The whole thing.
The argument? Whether this stick I had was called THE stick or A stick. Our arguments took various tangents such as algebra, luck, happiness, and English class. It was the weirdest argument I've had in awhile.
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(Oct. 01, 2013 10:37 PM)Dark_Mousy Wrote:(Oct. 01, 2013 8:39 PM)Stars Wrote: So Dark why did you use GCF then CF? CF had a better LAD it less likely to Self KO
I uswd cf at the event because it looked pretty on f230.
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(Feb. 01, 2015 1:26 AM)Wizard Wrote:(Jan. 31, 2015 8:22 PM)Leone19 Wrote: With Beyblade going on another hiatus, it's a shame to see remaining active members bicker over small things.
I understand, we're all a little annoyed, so might I enlighten all of you with some holy text written by the wise men of the olden days.
And on the 423rd day there was a flash in the sky, and a legendary bey came down like fire from the heavens. And that bey was called Pegasis, and it meant the end of the terrible hiatus that had plagued our kind for so long. And with that bey came a new hero, and that hero was named Ginga. And with his bey in hand he paved the way into the new era of beyblade. - Takao 3:16
Brothers, just as the wise man of old wrote about a new hero, I promise you that yet another is coming!
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"pegasis 145rf"
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(Jun. 02, 2016 2:46 AM)Neo Wrote: My first Pokemon, my favorite, and easily the most sentimental.
AWEASOME FIRRE CHIKEN MAN ON FIREEFIRE FIGHTS THE DUDES BEATS EM STUPID MONKEY AND PIG TRYNA COPY THIS BA CHIKENN DUDE WITH WRISTS ON FIREEEEEEFIREEEEE
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(Jul. 27, 2016 1:33 AM)Hato Wrote:(Jul. 27, 2016 1:27 AM)NEET no Kami Wrote: i definitely don't remember learning about that in religious studies.
But wasn't it in Exodus 14:21?
The Bible Wrote:"Then Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and L-DRAGO swept the sea back with a strong special move all night and turned the sea into dry land, so the waters were divided"
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Threads and combos!
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[LTD] MF Jade Horogium 85RSF
[LTD] RB / RSF Attack
[LTD] Ronin Genbull (Crystal Up) 85RF
MF-H Phantom (Attack) Cancer 85RB
MSF-H Wyvang Ifraid GB145RF {Alternative to Wyvang^2 with more Upper Attack}
MSF-H Genbull Genbull 85RSF {Improved version of the above Phantom combo}
Balro Begirados 100RF {LTAC with both Upper Smash and regular Smash}
[LTD] MF-H Lightning L-Drago 85RB {more controllable Lightning LTAC}
[LTD] Burn Orion 105SF {Destabilizer}
[LTD] RB / RSF Attack
[LTD] Ronin Genbull (Crystal Up) 85RF
MF-H Phantom (Attack) Cancer 85RB
MSF-H Wyvang Ifraid GB145RF {Alternative to Wyvang^2 with more Upper Attack}
MSF-H Genbull Genbull 85RSF {Improved version of the above Phantom combo}
Balro Begirados 100RF {LTAC with both Upper Smash and regular Smash}
[LTD] MF-H Lightning L-Drago 85RB {more controllable Lightning LTAC}
[LTD] Burn Orion 105SF {Destabilizer}