MFB: Standard :: Competitive Customs List and Public Discussion

(Sep. 09, 2013  4:14 AM)Kei Wrote: There's no point in debating whether CF or GCF is better for F230 at this point, in my opinion. They're both good enough to be listed.


Totally agree with that. Joyful_3

However... do you think it would be a good idea to list them now? I mean, few people on here actually have a good orange F230, and it hasn't been tested much in the BB-10 at all... sure, Death did pretty well, but do we have any formal testing for Dragooon yet? :\ I don't know... It's a little to soon IMHO.

Anywho, about a final draft, does anyone actually object to anything on this?

For Revizer Dragooon SA165RDF, I would include BD145... IIRC some people prefer BD145 over the taller SA165.
I agree, it gives it a defensive edge.
Actually, the main reason is to keep the combo's height down... a few people claimed that the tall tip and Track caused it to be somewhat unstable.
(Sep. 09, 2013  8:53 PM)Cake Wrote: For Revizer Dragooon SA165RDF, I would include BD145... IIRC some people prefer BD145 over the taller SA165.

Well, Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF is already up there. Confused IIRC that's just an improvement on Reviser Dragooon BD145RDF... I don't really see a reason to put Reviser there when Wyvang is clearly superior.
Wyvang only works with a agro RDF right?
(Sep. 09, 2013  9:55 PM)AZL Wrote: Wyvang only works with a agro RDF right?

Em... No, I don't believe so. :\ As long as it has traction, Wyvang can KO stamina types easily most of the time.
(Sep. 09, 2013  9:45 PM)theblackdragon Wrote:
(Sep. 09, 2013  8:53 PM)Cake Wrote: For Revizer Dragooon SA165RDF, I would include BD145... IIRC some people prefer BD145 over the taller SA165.

Well, Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF is already up there. Confused IIRC that's just an improvement on Reviser Dragooon BD145RDF... I don't really see a reason to put Reviser there when Wyvang is clearly superior.

Then wouldn't Wyvang outclass Revizer SA165 too?
Chocked_2
I'm pretty down with that list.

Reviser Dragooon BD145RDF is a darn good left-spin defense type, which our current lists don't really address well. I'd say that adding left-spin defenders would be a good project for the next list's iteration.
(Sep. 10, 2013  1:07 AM)Cake Wrote:
(Sep. 09, 2013  9:45 PM)theblackdragon Wrote:
(Sep. 09, 2013  8:53 PM)Cake Wrote: For Revizer Dragooon SA165RDF, I would include BD145... IIRC some people prefer BD145 over the taller SA165.

Well, Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF is already up there. Confused IIRC that's just an improvement on Reviser Dragooon BD145RDF... I don't really see a reason to put Reviser there when Wyvang is clearly superior.

Then wouldn't Wyvang outclass Revizer SA165 too?
Chocked_2

Because Reviser Dragooon SA165RDF is a spin-equalizer, and if you increase its recoil it will be much less effective at stealing spin, whereas Wyvang Dragooon is a defense type, so adding smash just helps against its weakness: stamina. Wink

Ingulit: That's great! Smile Does anyone else object to anything? If not we might be able to send this off to the advanced forum...
I just checked it out...

really, really, nice job!

I think I speak for the entire community, when I say its amazing how much effort you put into this!
I personally like the list that TheBlackDragon has up!

But wait, where's F230 on that list? Genbull Dragooon F230CF/GCF?

Nice! Smile
Personally, I think Girago Dragooon F230 GCF is good enough to go up, and like I said, hate H145, but I can agree with the rest.

@Left spin defense: I hate left spin defense. If you know what your doing, preeeety easy to KO. Just destabilize it and give it a good push, and there ya go...
Ok I'll try:
H145 is really good from my experiences... it also takes down those pesky Scythe combos... it has won in tournaments recently too. I haven't really seen tests on left spin defense besides Drgaoon SA165RDF
(Sep. 10, 2013  2:40 AM)theblackdragon Wrote:
(Sep. 10, 2013  1:07 AM)Cake Wrote:
(Sep. 09, 2013  9:45 PM)theblackdragon Wrote: Well, Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF is already up there. Confused IIRC that's just an improvement on Reviser Dragooon BD145RDF... I don't really see a reason to put Reviser there when Wyvang is clearly superior.

Then wouldn't Wyvang outclass Revizer SA165 too?
Chocked_2

Because Reviser Dragooon SA165RDF is a spin-equalizer, and if you increase its recoil it will be much less effective at stealing spin, whereas Wyvang Dragooon is a defense type, so adding smash just helps against its weakness: stamina. Wink

Ingulit: That's great! Smile Does anyone else object to anything? If not we might be able to send this off to the advanced forum...
Ah, so Wyvang is more left-spin defense while Revizer is a defensive equalizer, I get it Smile
LMAO: F230 just needs more testing in the BB-10 first... I'm not denying that it totally rocks, but we don't have any formal testing recorded for it yet. :\ I think it would be great to add eventually, but IMO it's not a good idea to put something on the tier list with no valid, standard test results to back it up... If you ask me, I think we should wait 'till next time, when we can get our hands on some testing. Wink

ShinobuXD: My opinion is the same here... Confused I don't believe Girago Dragooon has any results posted, much less confirmed ones.

As for H145, what exactly was your problem with it? I think it's awesome... XD

Overall, for _______F230CF and Girago Dragooon E230GCF, I think it would be a good idea to wait until we have valid, confirmed test results to back them up. I have no doubt that they work, but no tests = uncertainty for people who don't own the parts. :\ Solid, confirmed information is always better to have, IMHO. Smile
Death on e230 is another thing that needs to be looked into because of how deep e230 extends into the metal wheel.
(Sep. 10, 2013  4:45 PM)Time Wrote: Death on e230 is another thing that needs to be looked into because of how deep e230 extends into the metal wheel.

I hope you don't mind me asking... how exactly would that be beneficial? :\ E230 is used for defense, and putting a light metal wheel that extends lower (is more likely to make metal-to-metal contact) is just disadvantageous in the face of Synchrom (heavy, higher off the ground), IMHO, since E230 is absorbing all of the hits.

That's exactly why I don't like Duo on E230; I just don't think it's the most effective choice. Confused

Plus, you would probably just wanna use Duo anyway. Wink

EDIT: Is everybody down on the list so far?

EDIT#2: Kyler: No RDF for defense?? Crying You made it sad... JK XD
The lower height allows death to use its grinding ability against opposite spin to outspin. I don't have any formal tests I have just seen it a lot at tournaments. Particularly, Death E230 CF

edit: shoot, my bad this is bb-10, I was thinking this was zero-g
does flash still deserve on the tier list? I mean it's said as soon as I find out I have a top-tier part I find out it's outclassed and I was a tad with the flash testing thread wich I read 3 times I already know Balro Balro and Wyvang Wyvang do it's job better but I think it should be on the tier list but what I want to know is wether you think it should be on the tier list or not cause according to the lis Kyler_thebest has it's not on there Unhappy

EDIT: how come rdf's not on there for defence?
Flash still has enough Attack power to be competitive, and its high Stamina in comparison to other Attack types makes MF Flash Orion W145MF a deadly combo. Granted, it's not as good as it used to be, but it's still a very viable option.
Flash is beginning to be outclassed by synchromes like Wyvang^2.
yeah I stated that including Balro*2 but not alot of people have the money to buy 2 BBG-25's and don;t even get me started on the parents...
My draft:

ATTACK

MF-H Flash Orion/Belzeeb/Ionis GB145/W145/H145/S130/CH120 R2F/LRF/RF
Flash Orion/Belzeeb/Ionis W145 MF

MSF-H Wyvang^2 GB145/W145/H145/CH120 R2F/LRF/RF

Wyvang Dragooon SA165 RF/R2F/LRF (RF probably works the best).

MSF-H Balro^2 S130/CH120/W145 R2F/LRF/RF

Bahamida Ifraid H145/CH120/S130/SA165/W145 RF/R2F/LRF

BALANCE

Wyvang^2 BD145RSF

Revizer Dragooon E230CF/GCF (defeats many Wyvang/Balro combos).

Phantom Cygnus 90/85MF

Duo Aquario/Cygnus/cancer 230MB (it is weak agianst attack though).

Diablo Kerbecs/Striker BD145 RF/R2F

Duo/Death Cygnus/Aquario/Cancer F230CF/GCF

Wyvang Dragooon BD145/SA165RDF

MSF-L/F Girago^2 BD145RF/R2F

DEFENSE

MF-H Scythe Uranus/Picses/Horuseus (maybe) 85 RS

MSF-H Revizer/Killerken Revizer/Killerken E230/BD145 RSF/RB/RDF/CS

MF-H Duo Bull/Aquario/Cygnus E230/BD145 RDF/RSF/RB/CS.

STAMINA

Duo Cancer/Aquario/Cygnus/Hades W145/AD145 BWD/WD
Duo 160 PD
Duo TH170 D/SD
Duo 230 D/SD

Phantom Hades/Cancer/Cygnus W145/AD145 WD
Phantom TH170 D/SD
Phantom 230 D/SD

Genbull^2 SR200/TH170 TB/CS

Revizer Dragooon SA165 EWD/WD



Need to test Girago KillerKen W145GF