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Libra (Re)Testing: Please Chip In! (UPDATED 3RD Feb!)

Feb. 02, 2011  7:29 PM
 
MF-H Libra BD145RSF over RS due to underside of BD protrusion leading to huge scrapes when unstable.

I'm seeing 85 Gravity / Vulcan to try and destabilise, and higher 145s/230s to get above the BD145 to avoid the plastic>metal stamina situation.
Feb. 02, 2011  7:38 PM
 
I've had few blades hit it hard enough for it to scrape (meteo l drago 90mf did, because it was on rs, vs left spin). But, more importantly, I greatly appreciate your help. I'm hoping a standard combo works against this libra, cause I'd hate one combo to keep it banned and leave defense in current sorry state. Though, basalt is out in korea now...... Wink
Feb. 02, 2011  7:41 PM
 
Someone help me out with MF-H Gravity Perseus R145RF/MF I think it has what it takes, quite good results even against RSF.

PS: Korean Basalt coming out on 7/8th Feb.
Feb. 02, 2011  8:45 PM
 
Well, mf gravity perseus r145rf just got outspun when I tried, and with metal flat, it becomes useless against other attack types (like, can only win by a lot of luck maybe mfh improves things, but I'll be testing with mf gravity perseus r145rf tomorrow Smile

Not to get off topic, but it looks to be early. I've ordered basalt and beafowl, both seem to be available now Smile
Feb. 02, 2011  9:12 PM
 
Mind testing:
MF-H Libra BD145RSF/CS against Lightning LDrago 100RF?
Vulcan too? I could, when it arrives, compare your test results vs. Basalt if you'd like.
Feb. 02, 2011  11:27 PM
 
anyone can but libra will be as brick as it likes if you head on attack the BD elimimating low tracks overall imo.↲Mf-h grav pers d125mf no sliding shoots OSes mf-h libra bd145rsf as expected
Feb. 03, 2011  11:20 AM
 
Yeah, pure attack combos fail miserably, mf gravity perseus r145rf wins by os every so often, but is harder to use than libra, so after a strong of 30 drawn matches, it's more likely that the perseus user will mess up a launch. Meteo l drago 90mf cuts it close, due to sharing spin and at least once self ko'd off libra. It has some effectiveness against 230 though, as a bonus. My mf hell unicorno 100mf seems to do well against this libra combo, and stands a chance v 230 (tall bottom, tall wheel, and with it's width on a slope, and sledgehammer weight, often topples the tower), however, against any lower attack combo, hell+mf can't win. I must remember to test hell and bd145 for defense, given hell aquario is heavier than my libra...

But yeah, mfh libra bd145rs/rsf ruins traditional attack, and as much as that's what defence should do, I feel there's a risk of it turning the metagame into rock, paper, scissors. Maybe just banning this one combo might allow defense to be viable but not game breaking... Even though it's a bit of work.

By the way, I'm gonna have to test this combo v a normal attack blade, so when I do, I won't redo draws, or I'll be here all year.


Dan, probably just make a separate basalt thread, and I'll link to it. I just ordered one too (and beafowl, because why not). I can tell you if it were RS, vulcan would get 0, and ldrago 10% max, but yeah, I don't have RSF, I can use my CS, but I'm currently not happy with either of my CS's defence, they sometimes fly out by themselves after being hit, because of the rubber, and it often brings them into the line of fire early in the battle, as it's very hard to get a perfect angle combined with a strong enough launch to keep them still. Also, I don't know for sure about rsf, but I don't think CS will be good enough. RS manages to just cling to the ridge, or even the edge of the stadium, sometimes, against gravity perseus, anyway.

EDIT: Would you believe, that now I'm testing, I'm not getting many draws, Gravity is outspinning slightly, and I've had a KO either way (Gravity got lucky in having a wall behind it in the first, in the second, it didn't, and it didn't move Libra beyond the thunder ridge, but went flying). Maybe my RF has just hit the perfect stage or something, but yeah, Gravity keeps outspinning slightly... Confused

EDIT 2: Well, I did 20 rounds vs perseus... And Libra ONLY got 53.8%, not counting draws. I'm shocked, and confused. IT honestly shouldn't be that low. I'll include my lengthy notes and detailed results when I put up the results, because I think they're far more relevant than the actual results. There are usually more draws (normally every round would be either a draw or extremely close), and so I think that 54% represents the fact it can go either way. Honestly, though, in a tournament situation, I'd rather have Libra, it's easier to use, and it's hard to sliding shoot correctly with perseus for 10 consecutive replays or whatever.

Also, that will be all for tonight, other than the write up, as my family have gone to bed, so I can't keep blading, or they'll murder me Tongue_out
Feb. 03, 2011  4:04 PM
 
All right, I've updated the OP.
Tomorrow, I'll try and test BD145 Vs MF Hell Kerbecs 100MF (trust me, it's an amazing combo), Meteo L Drago 90MF, and MF Lightning L Drago CH120RF.
I've still got Libra CH120CS and MF-F Libra AD145 on my list, but must apologise, as this new development with BD145 deserves priority IMO.
Feb. 08, 2011  7:50 AM
 
I have a video in my sig.
Feb. 08, 2011  9:43 AM
 
Thanks a lot, I'll check it out and add it when I'm on my laptop later.

By the way, my ch120's broke, both at the same time. I'm waiting on new ones before I resume testing. Life's been busy lately, I'm back at work tomorrow, plus I've got uni soon, but I should have time to test, I'm just a little sick of libra right now.

However, I've come across a new combo after reading the low track defense thread: MFH Libra 85rs. CS doesn't have the staying power against vulcan (with a very aggressive rf) but with rs it, like bd145rs, walls it, vulcan loses a load of spin when they hit. Libras stamina, even with rs, is actually good enough to do well against meteo l drago 90mf, and mf gravity perseus (atk ver) d125mf, in left spin, as it does better out of the spin exchange/equalising. However, it doesn't do as well against mfh vulcan horuseus 90mf and mf gravity perseus d125mf in right spin, though vulcan isn't effective against 230, so it isn't a huge issue. That perseus combo has trouble against low defense combos on cs, though, and ltsc's (well, it's okay except vs hasbro earth aquario 85wd, where it seems to struggle), so unless you know what tip your opponent is using, you may have trouble, as left spin won't work vs rs, while right spin doesn't work against cs.
I want to see how it does against mf lldrago ch120rf, but I need my ch120's, as I'm not cool with using d125 in this case. I may test it vs lldrago @ 90, but seeing as that can't hurt 230, it'll probably not be in common use...

Of course, mfh libra 85rs won't win against stamina, so yeah.
Feb. 16, 2011  4:02 AM
 
New Libra testing for you guys with a combo I just thought up Smile

MF Libra CH120 (145 depending on the situation) SF. This would be considered a balance type combo, as it does decently (if not well) against all types. The idea is that SF gives the bey enough movement (with Libra's weight) to perform powerful force smash against stamina types (of all heights I might add!), as well as destabilize 145 based RSF defense combos just by changing the height from 145 to 120. I also thought it'd prove to be an adequate, but not great defense combo.

TT Attack Stadium
MF Libra CH120 (145) SF always shot first in every match
Beylauncher + 3 Segment Grip

at 145 Height Versus MF-F Burn Bull 85WD (Click to View)
at 145 Height Versus MF-F Burn Bull 145WD (Click to View)
at 145 Height Versus MF-F Burn Bull 230WD (Click to View)
at 145 Height Versus MF-H Earth Bull 230RSF (Click to View)
at 120 Height Versus MF-H Earth Bull GB145RSF (Click to View)
at 145 Height Versus MF-H Pegasis 135RF (Click to View)
I think this combo would be killer with CS. It'd be better defensively and offensively, while sacrificing little endurance. Could someone please test? Also, I think MF Gravity Perseus CH120 SF/CS would be a very versatile balance combo, as you simply chose the opposite direction any combo you face and gain quite an advantage along with being able to chose the track height.

EDIT 2:

I'm going to test against MFLLDragoH145R2F, MFLLDragoCH120R2F, and MF-HMidnight Cancer GB145RF tomorrow.
Feb. 16, 2011  4:43 AM
 
Heh. SF finds non-Hasbro use! Now I want a Libra!
Feb. 16, 2011  10:59 AM
 
It already has amazing use in destabilisers... Anyway can some do some proper stamina testing like Libra 145SD/WD vs Earth/Burn Bull 145SD/WD.
Feb. 17, 2011  12:53 AM
 
(Feb. 16, 2011  10:59 AM)Ultrablader Wrote: It already has amazing use in destabilisers... Anyway can some do some proper stamina testing like Libra 145SD/WD vs Earth/Burn Bull 145SD/WD.

I'm pretty sure I saw kei had those tests and he posted them in the advanced forum. Before this topic was opened.
Feb. 17, 2011  1:02 AM
 
(Feb. 16, 2011  10:59 AM)Ultrablader Wrote: It already has amazing use in destabilisers... Anyway can some do some proper stamina testing like Libra 145SD/WD vs Earth/Burn Bull 145SD/WD.

From all my informal test I can assure you it does sub-par. Libra 100WD vs Earth (hasbro) Bull 100WD, Libra nearly always loses.
Feb. 18, 2011  10:58 PM
 
(Feb. 16, 2011  10:59 AM)Ultrablader Wrote: It already has amazing use in destabilisers... Anyway can some do some proper stamina testing like Libra 145SD/WD vs Earth/Burn Bull 145SD/WD.

I meant for defense. My bad.
Feb. 19, 2011  2:01 PM
 
Yeah, Ultrablader, it's pretty well known that unless libra manages to work well as a Stamina/Defence combo, it's no longer top tier for stamina. It just doesn't have the spin time of other options, and it's not that much better against attack.

Sorry I've been lax in my responsibilities lately guys, I'll be back into it too, my CH120's broke during testing, and my GB145 is going too, I should have replacements in the next couple of days, but I'm a bit burnt out from all the testing, and I the new job and some sad situations have kept me pretty busy.

Also, I've got basalt now, first impression is that it doesn't outclass libra that badly due to it's bad stamina. It's kinda specialised to certain combos, though when I test it I have to compare that to current combos.
But yeah, MF-H Libra BD145RS is still the most immovable beyblade I've used (basalt and bd145 don't cooperate at all). But yeah, I'm still under the impression that metal flat is a top tier part, and obviously the weak point of that combo.

Evan, thanks for that testing, I recall doing a little messing around with MF Libra CH120CS, but it didn't do that well against real top level attack blades, namely MF Lightning L Drago CH120RF, and MF Gravity Perseus R145RF. I don't think it'd work against Earth Bull 230CS either. And, if I recall, it lacked the ability to outspin or ko MFH Earth bull GB145CS.

But yeah, from your results with SF, I'll try and test it when i get my new CH120's.
Feb. 23, 2011  10:07 AM
 
I cant be bothered reading this whole thread.

Tell me what testing you want done and Ill do it. Tongue_out
Feb. 23, 2011  10:15 AM
 
Awesome, mf libra ch120cs vs top tier attack, stamina, and cs-tipped defence, if you feel up,to it (mainly interested in attack and cs-tipped defense).

And MFH Libra BD145rs vs attack, if you can.


Otherwise, just test libra ch120rf, against whatever, mfh libra bd145cs vs attack, or basically sub it into a top tier defensive combo and test vs attack.

Thanks Smile
Feb. 24, 2011  10:41 PM
 
Awesome. Im staying home from school. So I can do alot of testing.
You would think I know how to do this but. How do you do Spoilers?

Ill Test MF (-H?) Libra CH120CS. against Top Tier Atack, Stamina and CS tipped Defense.(I prob wont use 230)
I will be getting my Hell Kerbecs soon so I cant do MF-H Libra BD145RF vs Attack yet.

Anything else?

Equipment
Launcher Grip W/ Beylauncher
Launcher Grip W/ BeyLauncher LR.

The bey being tested is MF Libra CH120CS.

Against attack.
MF Libra CH120CS vs MF Pegasis 145RF.

Libra 90% Pegasis 10%

MF Libra CH120CS vs MF-H Gravity Perseus D125RF

Libra 70% Gravity 30%

MF Libra CH120CS vs MF Vulcan Horuseus 85R2F

Will do testing soon.

Against Defence.

MF Libra CH120CS vs MF-H Earth Aquario GB145RSF

Results soon.

MF Libra CH120CS vs MF-H Earth Aquario 230RSF

Results soon.

Mf Libra CH120CS vs MF-H Earth Aquario 85RSF

Results soon.

Against Stamina.

MF Libra Ch120CS vs Virgo DF145WD

Results soon.

Mf Libra CH120CS vs Burn Bull 85SD.

results soon.

Anything else?
Feb. 27, 2011  2:15 PM
 
IT IS OVER!
Libra has been unbanned!

Which means our work here is done. This may be used as a new libra combo thread, but I won't be checking back too regularly, but yeah.

I'd like to extend my thanks and gratitude to everyone who helped with the testing. For those I haven't put in th OP yet, I'll at least include your names in it in the next few days. But it was wonderful to see so many people "chip in". So, again, thankyou everyone Smile

Anyway, it's great to have this off my to-do's, with uni back on, and sorry I got lax the last few weeks.
Feb. 27, 2011  2:47 PM
 
It would probably be good to see how MF Libra CH120RF does with our new beys in place, no?
I don't have Libra so I cannot perform those tests myself..
Feb. 27, 2011  3:20 PM
 
I do believe the combo doesn't use a mf. That said, there are 10 rounds with an mf in the OP. It hasn't aged well (Even brad, who made it, has said it was mainly designed as a reaction to lightning l drago, and honestly isn't that good any more). Basically, it's useless against rs, and not so great vs 230. Maybe testing it vs hell kerbecs bd145wd would be productive, but really, mf lightning l-drago ch120rf is a better choice against stamina and defense, and pretty convincing against other attack beys. Libra ch120rf may do a little better against attack, but proper defense combos are better there, and might outspin an opposing defence bey.

I would like to see how an experienced user of libra ch120rf does with it, as I may not get as good results due to relatively less experience with it, but yeah, I'd still be surprised if it was useful.
Feb. 27, 2011  11:33 PM
 
(Feb. 27, 2011  2:47 PM)Dan Wrote: It would probably be good to see how MF Libra CH120RF does with our new beys in place, no?
I don't have Libra so I cannot perform those tests myself..

I will do these very soon. It seems it doesn't hold up that well against Stamina, and it does nothing against modern defense combos....but it completely destroys most attack types.
Feb. 28, 2011  4:36 AM
 
I could also Test "The Brad" Libra CH120RF.

I have done some testing with Libra as a Defense combo. I tried to utilize the Weight by Using MF-H Libra R145RSF. A fairly obvious combo. But it holds up like a Rock. But I believe a Destabilizer would do the trick.
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