Jan. 24, 2011 5:59 PM
EDIT: For anyone who came here looking for how to use their libra wheel, It IS outclassed by Basalt and Hell nowadays, however, these results should help you find the best use for your libra nonetheless.
Also, I've noticed I never tested MF-H Libra BD145CS. I still havent, as basalt works better, and I really don't want to test libra again Anyway, that should be a great combo, possibly libras best, so yeah (not sure if it gets hit hard enough by opposing beys to scrape or not, but yeah). That said, these tests are still pretty handy The reason I didn't is because BD145 was very new, and CS was still considered outclassed by RS for defence (CS is now far more popular, due to not being outspun by almost everything, while still being excellent defensively), that and I got really worn out from all the testing.
So, I figured, seeing as Kai-V stated the need for more tests to be done before a decision on the unbanning of libra can be made, that I'd a) do some testing myself, and b) try to draw some attention to it by giving it it's own thread, so other people will test it.
This should allow us to collect libra testing, and give non-advanced members somewhere to post it.
Please help out with testing if you can, the sooner we get a good number of results, the sooner a decision on libra will be made.
This is all in relation to the Libra Re-Instatement thread in the advanced forum.
Some of my results are from the Parts Testing Thread
Okay, so the actual data:
My Testing (UPDATED 3RD FEB)
Blitz's Testing (UPDATED 27th JAN)
MF-H Libra GB145CS VS Hell Kerbecs 85RF
RF slightly Worn, CS near mint.
Hell shot with Sliding shoot, both at 100%.
All 15 rounds in the MFB Attack Stadium.
MF-H Libra GB145CS: 7 wins (all by OS)
Hell Kerbecs 85RF: 8 wins (all by KO)
Libra Win Rate: 46.67%
MF-H Libra GB145CS VS MF Vulcan Horuseus 85RF
RF slightly Worn, CS near mint.
Vulcan shot with Sliding shoot, both at 100%.
All 15 rounds in the MFB Attack Stadium
MF-H Libra GB145CS: 8 wins (all by OS)
MF Vulcan Horuseus 85RF: 7 wins (all be KO)
Libra Win Rate: 53.33%
MF-H Libra GB145CS VS MF Lightning LDrago 85RF
RF slightly Worn, CS near mint.
LLD shot with Sliding shoot, both at 100%.
All 15 rounds in the MFB Attack Stadium
MF-H Libra GB145CS: 6 wins (4 wins by OS, 2 by KO)
MF Lightning LDrago 85RF: 9wins (all wins by KO)
Libra Win Rate: 40%
Ray Jokers Testing (UPDATED 27th Jan)
Control_'s testing (UPDATED 1st FEB!)
Cye Kinomiya's Testing (UPDATED 3rd Feb!)
VIDEOS!
Videos by Fyuoor
Evan has a great thread going here, with testing of libra+rsf against various attack beys, done by him and other members: http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-Breaking...nst-Attack
I'll do my best to update this post as more testing is done. I myself have more tests coming, but yeah.
If anyone can test MF Libra CH120RF against Libra Defence combos, and against newer attack blades, it'd be really good.
Also, more testing of MFH Libra BD145RS/RSF/CS is needed.
Kai-V has requested more tests of the BB-96 Libra, so PLEASE INCLUDE WHAT MOLD OF LIBRA YOU ARE USING
But really, any testing is appreciated, if you've got links to previous or new testing, and any more testing, and are okay with them being included here, post them (you'll get credit).
Also, I've noticed I never tested MF-H Libra BD145CS. I still havent, as basalt works better, and I really don't want to test libra again Anyway, that should be a great combo, possibly libras best, so yeah (not sure if it gets hit hard enough by opposing beys to scrape or not, but yeah). That said, these tests are still pretty handy The reason I didn't is because BD145 was very new, and CS was still considered outclassed by RS for defence (CS is now far more popular, due to not being outspun by almost everything, while still being excellent defensively), that and I got really worn out from all the testing.
So, I figured, seeing as Kai-V stated the need for more tests to be done before a decision on the unbanning of libra can be made, that I'd a) do some testing myself, and b) try to draw some attention to it by giving it it's own thread, so other people will test it.
This should allow us to collect libra testing, and give non-advanced members somewhere to post it.
Please help out with testing if you can, the sooner we get a good number of results, the sooner a decision on libra will be made.
This is all in relation to the Libra Re-Instatement thread in the advanced forum.
Some of my results are from the Parts Testing Thread
Okay, so the actual data:
My Testing (UPDATED 3RD FEB)
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Standard conditions, rf’s are prime, or just a little bit before prime[/b], rs new to slightly worn, cs rubber very worn, but still a little aggressive at start, and if hit. All launched at 100%. WD's near mint, relatively little movement.
My Libra is the Newest mold, from BB-96
KO=Knock Out
OS= Out Spin
DOS=OS by destabilising, (only where obvious).
Draws re-done, self-ko's redone. I used Eagle (it’s Hasbro) on Vulcan to expose maximum metal for increased smash (though methinks Gemios would be better).
Balance Testing
Libra CH120 RF
V Defense ()
V Attack (@ 140)
V Stamina ()
Defense Testing
MF-H Libra BD145RS
V Attack
MF-H Libra GB145RS
V Attack
V Stamina
MF-H Libra GB145CS
V Attack
V Stamina
MF-H Libra 230RS
V Attack
MF-H Libra 230CS
V Attack
V Stamina
Stamina Testing
MF-F Libra 85WD
V Attack
V Stamina
My Libra is the Newest mold, from BB-96
KO=Knock Out
OS= Out Spin
DOS=OS by destabilising, (only where obvious).
Draws re-done, self-ko's redone. I used Eagle (it’s Hasbro) on Vulcan to expose maximum metal for increased smash (though methinks Gemios would be better).
Balance Testing
Libra CH120 RF
V Defense (
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Vs MF-H Earth Aquario GB145RS
Vs MF-H Earth Aquario (Both Hasbro) GB145RS* Accidentally had an MF on Libra here.
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Aquario and Earth are both Hasbro.
Aquario: 10/10, all OS
Libra: 0/10.
Libra Win Rate: 0%
Yeah, worse than with a metal face. To be honest, that’s not really statistically significant, that one win with the metal face was pure luck (1 win = 10%, of course, which makes it look significant). RS nerfs Libra offensively, basically.
Aquario: 10/10, all OS
Libra: 0/10.
Libra Win Rate: 0%
Yeah, worse than with a metal face. To be honest, that’s not really statistically significant, that one win with the metal face was pure luck (1 win = 10%, of course, which makes it look significant). RS nerfs Libra offensively, basically.
Vs MF-H Earth Aquario (Both Hasbro) GB145RS* Accidentally had an MF on Libra here.
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Libra: 1/10, KO
Aquario: 9/10 All OS
Libra WR: 10%
Libra could only win if it made contact right near the start of the battle, and it often took two hits in quick succession to KO Earth Aquario.
Aquario: 9/10 All OS
Libra WR: 10%
Libra could only win if it made contact right near the start of the battle, and it often took two hits in quick succession to KO Earth Aquario.
V Attack (@ 140)
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Vs MF Vulcan Giraffe 85RF
Vulcan: 3/10, all KO
Libra: 7/10, 2KO, 5 OS
Libra win rate: 70%
This, along with a couple of informal rounds against MF Gravity Perseus R145RF concerned me, but the following stamina test allays those fears)
Vulcan: 3/10, all KO
Libra: 7/10, 2KO, 5 OS
Libra win rate: 70%
This, along with a couple of informal rounds against MF Gravity Perseus R145RF concerned me, but the following stamina test allays those fears)
V Stamina (
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MF-F Earth (TT Mold 2) Bull 230CS, used Earth because I like it on 230 more than burn mold 2. CS works great in this combo.
Bull: 8/10, All OS
Libra: 2/10, Both KO
Libra Win Rate: 20%
Bull: 8/10, All OS
Libra: 2/10, Both KO
Libra Win Rate: 20%
Defense Testing
MF-H Libra BD145RS
V Attack
Spoiler (Click to View)
VS MF Gravity Perseus (Reshuffle ATK Ver) R145RF (Left Spin, Counter Mode)
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Draws were not repeated, as I would be here forever, left spin used as right spin just doesn’t work here.
I did 20 rounds instead, and will do analysis with and without the draws.
NOTE: In testing, draws didn't occur as often, but honestly, while practicing, it was a lot more like rounds 13-17, so yeah.
Both Combos Launched as hard as I possibly could (as in, my poor shoulder), to give Perseus some chance. Draws weren’t counted in the final results/percentages, but are in the detailed results.
Perseus: 6/13 4 OS, 2 KO
Libra: 7/13 6 OS, 1KO
7 Draws.
Libra win rate: 53.8%*
*I honestly don’t think this is right, normally, there are loads of draws, and in a tournament situation, it’d be more likely that the Perseus user would mess up a sliding launch and lose. There ARE normally more draws, so even if that 53.8% figure is right, it means that it’s really only chance outspins either way.
Detailed Results and Notes (PLEASE READ THESE, Especially the notes, I know they’re longwinded and rambling, but they are far more representative of the battles than the plain results. I’m honestly shocked at libra’s poorer performance, so I don’t know if I can trust my results)
I did 20 rounds instead, and will do analysis with and without the draws.
NOTE: In testing, draws didn't occur as often, but honestly, while practicing, it was a lot more like rounds 13-17, so yeah.
Both Combos Launched as hard as I possibly could (as in, my poor shoulder), to give Perseus some chance. Draws weren’t counted in the final results/percentages, but are in the detailed results.
Perseus: 6/13 4 OS, 2 KO
Libra: 7/13 6 OS, 1KO
7 Draws.
Libra win rate: 53.8%*
*I honestly don’t think this is right, normally, there are loads of draws, and in a tournament situation, it’d be more likely that the Perseus user would mess up a sliding launch and lose. There ARE normally more draws, so even if that 53.8% figure is right, it means that it’s really only chance outspins either way.
Detailed Results and Notes (PLEASE READ THESE, Especially the notes, I know they’re longwinded and rambling, but they are far more representative of the battles than the plain results. I’m honestly shocked at libra’s poorer performance, so I don’t know if I can trust my results)
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1. GPOS
2 Gravity OS (practically a draw)
3 DRAW
4 GPKO
5 Libra KO
6 Libra OS (practically a draw)
7 DRAW
8 GPOS
9 GPOS
10 LOS
11 LOS (practically a draw)
12 LKO
13 Draw
14 Draw
15 Draw
16 Draw
17 Draw
18 GPKO!
19 LOS
20 LOS
This is really unusual, when practicing, I had far more draws and libra OS’s…
Practically every match is either extremely close or a draw (there are NO huge outspins), I included the full results so you can see how it really went (including the fact there are rounds where the difference between winning and a draw is the Judge). Libra is a dead weight, and Perseus isn’t efficient enough as a spin stealer to reliably outspin it.
It’s generally like blading against a brick, it will NOT move.
There were 3 KO’s. I’ll be honest, this is not normal from what I’ve seen, basically, in the round where gravity KO’d Libra, it was lucky enough to have the wall behind it. In the round where libra KO’d Gravity, it wasn’t saved by a wall, and Libra stayed on the thunder ridge. In Italy (or if you’re Bluezee), I’d think given the apparently stronger launches that you’d have some chance of KO’s, but as long as your against someone launching the same, I really don’t think it’s 50/50 at best. In round 18, Gravity smashed it out of a stadium. I didn’t launch Perseus quite right, so it didn’t flower properly, but it hit libra out of the centre once, and then swung around the stadium and smashed it right out. Maybe the extra momentum helped, but yeah, it’s not common, and I honestly think it’s just luck.
I used left spin, because think of it this way, would you rather try to derail a train by pushing against it, or nudging it in the direction it’s going? In the latter case, you could make it marginally faster, and that small additional force could make it derail itself, in the other case, you will get run over by a train, and die. This is exactly what happens Perseus @ 145 if you put it in right spin, it hits libra, and loses a ridiculous amount of spin.
It’s a similar concept to that used in Martial Arts, you deflect the blow, and then use your opponents momentum against them (they punch, you deflect, and can swing them into an arm lock, throw them (or whatever is normal for the martial art). You don’t just try and block the punch with your hands if you can deflect the energy.
2 Gravity OS (practically a draw)
3 DRAW
4 GPKO
5 Libra KO
6 Libra OS (practically a draw)
7 DRAW
8 GPOS
9 GPOS
10 LOS
11 LOS (practically a draw)
12 LKO
13 Draw
14 Draw
15 Draw
16 Draw
17 Draw
18 GPKO!
19 LOS
20 LOS
This is really unusual, when practicing, I had far more draws and libra OS’s…
Practically every match is either extremely close or a draw (there are NO huge outspins), I included the full results so you can see how it really went (including the fact there are rounds where the difference between winning and a draw is the Judge). Libra is a dead weight, and Perseus isn’t efficient enough as a spin stealer to reliably outspin it.
It’s generally like blading against a brick, it will NOT move.
There were 3 KO’s. I’ll be honest, this is not normal from what I’ve seen, basically, in the round where gravity KO’d Libra, it was lucky enough to have the wall behind it. In the round where libra KO’d Gravity, it wasn’t saved by a wall, and Libra stayed on the thunder ridge. In Italy (or if you’re Bluezee), I’d think given the apparently stronger launches that you’d have some chance of KO’s, but as long as your against someone launching the same, I really don’t think it’s 50/50 at best. In round 18, Gravity smashed it out of a stadium. I didn’t launch Perseus quite right, so it didn’t flower properly, but it hit libra out of the centre once, and then swung around the stadium and smashed it right out. Maybe the extra momentum helped, but yeah, it’s not common, and I honestly think it’s just luck.
I used left spin, because think of it this way, would you rather try to derail a train by pushing against it, or nudging it in the direction it’s going? In the latter case, you could make it marginally faster, and that small additional force could make it derail itself, in the other case, you will get run over by a train, and die. This is exactly what happens Perseus @ 145 if you put it in right spin, it hits libra, and loses a ridiculous amount of spin.
It’s a similar concept to that used in Martial Arts, you deflect the blow, and then use your opponents momentum against them (they punch, you deflect, and can swing them into an arm lock, throw them (or whatever is normal for the martial art). You don’t just try and block the punch with your hands if you can deflect the energy.
MF-H Libra GB145RS
V Attack
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Vs MF Gravity Perseus R145RF (Left Spin, Counter mode)
GP: 8/10, 3KO, 5OS
Libra: 2/10, both recoil KO’s
Draws:1
Libra W.R: 20%
Notes: Towards the end of the battle, perseus would always have less spin, but seems to be able to steal spin from libra, and destabilise it.
Vs MF Vulcan Eagle 85RF
Libra: 12/20, 11OS, 1KO.
Vulcan: 8/20, all KO
Libra win rate: 60%
I did 20 rounds to try to differentiate, as it was quite close, it could easily have been 50/50
GP: 8/10, 3KO, 5OS
Libra: 2/10, both recoil KO’s
Draws:1
Libra W.R: 20%
Notes: Towards the end of the battle, perseus would always have less spin, but seems to be able to steal spin from libra, and destabilise it.
Vs MF Vulcan Eagle 85RF
Libra: 12/20, 11OS, 1KO.
Vulcan: 8/20, all KO
Libra win rate: 60%
I did 20 rounds to try to differentiate, as it was quite close, it could easily have been 50/50
V Stamina
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Vs MF-F Burn Bull 230WD
Libra launched with a sliding shot, to at least try to do something, though honestly, only got a little movement.
Bull: 8/10 all OS
Libra: 2/10 1 KO, 1 DOS
Libra Win Rate: 20%
Libra launched with a sliding shot, to at least try to do something, though honestly, only got a little movement.
Bull: 8/10 all OS
Libra: 2/10 1 KO, 1 DOS
Libra Win Rate: 20%
MF-H Libra GB145CS
V Attack
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Vs MF Lightning L-Drago CH120RF ()
LLDrago: 5/10, all KO
Libra: 5/10, 1 close OS, 4KO
Libra win rate: 50%
Many of Libra’s KO’s were rebounds off the walls. I’d like to see this test repeated by two players, launching at the same time, as I think Ldrago needed a little more time before impact.
VS MF Gravity Perseus (Reshuffle ATK Ver) R145RF (Left Spin Counter Mode)
Perseus: 8/10, 7KO, 1OS
Libra: 2/10 Both OS
Libra:20%
LLDrago: 5/10, all KO
Libra: 5/10, 1 close OS, 4KO
Libra win rate: 50%
Many of Libra’s KO’s were rebounds off the walls. I’d like to see this test repeated by two players, launching at the same time, as I think Ldrago needed a little more time before impact.
VS MF Gravity Perseus (Reshuffle ATK Ver) R145RF (Left Spin Counter Mode)
Perseus: 8/10, 7KO, 1OS
Libra: 2/10 Both OS
Libra:20%
V Stamina
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Vs MF-F Burn Bull 230WD
Libra Launched with a sliding shot.
Libra:7/10 5KO, 1OS, 1DOS
BB: 3/10 All OS
Draws: 2
Libra WR: 70%
Libra Launched with a sliding shot.
Libra:7/10 5KO, 1OS, 1DOS
BB: 3/10 All OS
Draws: 2
Libra WR: 70%
MF-H Libra 230RS
V Attack
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Vs MF Gravity Perseus R145RF (Left Spin Counter Mode)
Perseus: 7/10, 6KO’s
Libra: 3/10, all OS
Libra WR: 30%
2 Draws
Perseus: 7/10, 6KO’s
Libra: 3/10, all OS
Libra WR: 30%
2 Draws
MF-H Libra 230CS
V Attack
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Vs MF Gravity Perseus (Reshuffle ATK ver) R145RF (Left Spin, Counter Mode)
Perseus:10/10, 7KO, 3 OS
Libra: 0/10
Libra Win Rate: 0%
Well, I'm not super surprised, as perseus is a heavy, powerful left spin blade, and CS just couldn't take it.
Vs MF Vulcan Giraffe 85RF
(Giraffe used for the same reason as eagle)
Vulcan sliding shoot, Libra Straight, CS went into attack for a short time at the start of most rounds, before settling.
Vulcan: 1/10, KO
Libra: 9/10, 8 OS, 1KO
Libra win rate: 90%
Well, it’s a 230 defence blade versus a 85 track, right spin attack, no surprises here.
Perseus:10/10, 7KO, 3 OS
Libra: 0/10
Libra Win Rate: 0%
Well, I'm not super surprised, as perseus is a heavy, powerful left spin blade, and CS just couldn't take it.
Vs MF Vulcan Giraffe 85RF
(Giraffe used for the same reason as eagle)
Vulcan sliding shoot, Libra Straight, CS went into attack for a short time at the start of most rounds, before settling.
Vulcan: 1/10, KO
Libra: 9/10, 8 OS, 1KO
Libra win rate: 90%
Well, it’s a 230 defence blade versus a 85 track, right spin attack, no surprises here.
V Stamina
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Vs Burn Aquario AD145WD
(Aquario Hasbro, Burn Mold 2, WD Mint, my Bull wheel is too loose, and my Aquario seems to have a slightly better solo spin time, so yeah.)
Aquario shot first for the first 5, second for the next (would have alternated, but only thought about it half way through) both straight shots .
Aquario:4/10 3 OS, 1KO
Libra: 6/10, 4 OS, 2 KO
Libra Win Rate: 60%
Two of those draws took place at round 5, and when I started launching Libra first in round 6, it dominated, caused Aquario to tilt, and WD couldn't recover. Even when libra looked to be losing, it managed to stay stable long enough.
(Aquario Hasbro, Burn Mold 2, WD Mint, my Bull wheel is too loose, and my Aquario seems to have a slightly better solo spin time, so yeah.)
Aquario shot first for the first 5, second for the next (would have alternated, but only thought about it half way through) both straight shots .
Aquario:4/10 3 OS, 1KO
Libra: 6/10, 4 OS, 2 KO
Libra Win Rate: 60%
Two of those draws took place at round 5, and when I started launching Libra first in round 6, it dominated, caused Aquario to tilt, and WD couldn't recover. Even when libra looked to be losing, it managed to stay stable long enough.
Stamina Testing
MF-F Libra 85WD
V Attack
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Vs MF Gravity Perseus (Reshuffle ATK Ver) R145RF (Left Spin, counter mode)
Libra: 5/10, all OS
Perseus: 5/10 all KO
Libra WR: 50%
Libra was surprising hard to KO (given it was using WD), but other times it flew out of the stadium. I suspect this is due to the respective orientations of R145 and Gravity (I have to test this some time)
Vs MF-H Vulcan Giraffe 90CS (Not a standard combo, but it's pretty handy. I also only have one 85)
Libra: 3/10, all KO
Vulcan: 7/10, all KO
Libra win rate: 30%
Holy Recoil Batman! Vulcan often had too much recoil for it's own good, and I'm surprised libra didn't win more. Maybe Bull would've been better on vulcan, or 85 may have improved things for it. Also, two of vulcans wins were due to it tipping libra up, which then spun out of the stadium... Just something to ponder.
Vs MF-H Vulcan Giraffe 90RF (I forgot to remove the MF-H, but it didn't make much difference here)
Vulcan: 9/10
Libra: 1/10
Libra Win Rate: 10%
Libra: 5/10, all OS
Perseus: 5/10 all KO
Libra WR: 50%
Libra was surprising hard to KO (given it was using WD), but other times it flew out of the stadium. I suspect this is due to the respective orientations of R145 and Gravity (I have to test this some time)
Vs MF-H Vulcan Giraffe 90CS (Not a standard combo, but it's pretty handy. I also only have one 85)
Libra: 3/10, all KO
Vulcan: 7/10, all KO
Libra win rate: 30%
Holy Recoil Batman! Vulcan often had too much recoil for it's own good, and I'm surprised libra didn't win more. Maybe Bull would've been better on vulcan, or 85 may have improved things for it. Also, two of vulcans wins were due to it tipping libra up, which then spun out of the stadium... Just something to ponder.
Vs MF-H Vulcan Giraffe 90RF (I forgot to remove the MF-H, but it didn't make much difference here)
Vulcan: 9/10
Libra: 1/10
Libra Win Rate: 10%
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Vs MF-F Earth (TT mold 2) Bull 230CS (It's a great stamina combination, and even though I have burn mold 2, I like earth more here).
Alternating Launches.
Bull: 10/10, all OS
Libra: 0/10
Libra Win Rate: 0%
Pretty standard for a low track stamina combo.
Alternating Launches.
Bull: 10/10, all OS
Libra: 0/10
Libra Win Rate: 0%
Pretty standard for a low track stamina combo.
Blitz's Testing (UPDATED 27th JAN)
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MF-H Libra GB145CS VS Hell Kerbecs 85RF
RF slightly Worn, CS near mint.
Hell shot with Sliding shoot, both at 100%.
All 15 rounds in the MFB Attack Stadium.
MF-H Libra GB145CS: 7 wins (all by OS)
Hell Kerbecs 85RF: 8 wins (all by KO)
Libra Win Rate: 46.67%
MF-H Libra GB145CS VS MF Vulcan Horuseus 85RF
RF slightly Worn, CS near mint.
Vulcan shot with Sliding shoot, both at 100%.
All 15 rounds in the MFB Attack Stadium
MF-H Libra GB145CS: 8 wins (all by OS)
MF Vulcan Horuseus 85RF: 7 wins (all be KO)
Libra Win Rate: 53.33%
MF-H Libra GB145CS VS MF Lightning LDrago 85RF
RF slightly Worn, CS near mint.
LLD shot with Sliding shoot, both at 100%.
All 15 rounds in the MFB Attack Stadium
MF-H Libra GB145CS: 6 wins (4 wins by OS, 2 by KO)
MF Lightning LDrago 85RF: 9wins (all wins by KO)
Libra Win Rate: 40%
Ray Jokers Testing (UPDATED 27th Jan)
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MF-H Libra BD145RSF vs. MF Vulcan Horuseus 85R2F
Standard Testing Procedues
Beylauncher L + R
MF-H Libra BD145RSF vs. MF Lightning L Drago (Upper Mode) 90R2F
Standard Testing Procedures
Beylauncher L for L Drago
MF-H Libra 230RSF vs. MF Vulcan Horuseus 85R2F
Standard Testing Procedures
MF-H Libra 230RSF vs. MF Lightning L Drago (Upper Mode) 90R2F
Standard Testing Procedures
MF-H Libra 230RSF vs. MF Meteo L Drago 90R2F
Standard Testing Procedures
MF-H Libra 230RSF vs. MF Lightning L Drago 145R2F
Standard Testing Procedures
Beylaunchers for both
MF-H Libra 230RSF vs. MF Meteo L Drago (Barrage Mode) 145R2F
Standard Testing Procedure
Standard Testing Procedues
Beylauncher L + R
Spoiler (Click to View)
Libra OS
Libra OS
Libra KO
Vulcan KO
Vulcan KO
Libra OS
Libra OS
Libra OS
Libra OS
Libra OS
Libra win rate: 80%
Libra is like a rock.
Libra OS
Libra KO
Vulcan KO
Vulcan KO
Libra OS
Libra OS
Libra OS
Libra OS
Libra OS
Libra win rate: 80%
Libra is like a rock.
MF-H Libra BD145RSF vs. MF Lightning L Drago (Upper Mode) 90R2F
Standard Testing Procedures
Beylauncher L for L Drago
Spoiler (Click to View)
Draw
Draw
Draw
L Drago OS
Draw
Libra OS
Draw
L Drago KO
Libra OS
L Drago OS
Libra win rate: 20%
There were way too many draws to redo.
Draw
Draw
L Drago OS
Draw
Libra OS
Draw
L Drago KO
Libra OS
L Drago OS
Libra win rate: 20%
There were way too many draws to redo.
MF-H Libra 230RSF vs. MF Vulcan Horuseus 85R2F
Standard Testing Procedures
Spoiler (Click to View)
Vulcan KO
Libra OS
Vulcan KO
Libra OS
Libra OS
Libra OS
Vulcan KO
Libra OS
Libra OS
Vulcan OS
Libra win rate: 70%
Libra OS
Vulcan KO
Libra OS
Libra OS
Libra OS
Vulcan KO
Libra OS
Libra OS
Vulcan OS
Libra win rate: 70%
MF-H Libra 230RSF vs. MF Lightning L Drago (Upper Mode) 90R2F
Standard Testing Procedures
Spoiler (Click to View)
Libra OS
L Drago KO
Libra OS
L Drago KO
Libra OS
L Drago KO
Libra KO
L Drago OS
L Drago OS
Libra OS
Libra win rate: 40%
L Drago KO
Libra OS
L Drago KO
Libra OS
L Drago KO
Libra KO
L Drago OS
L Drago OS
Libra OS
Libra win rate: 40%
MF-H Libra 230RSF vs. MF Meteo L Drago 90R2F
Standard Testing Procedures
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Libra OS
Meteo KO
Libra OS
Libra OS
Libra OS
Libra OS
Libra OS
Meteo KO
Meteo KO
Libra OS
Libra win rate: 70%
Since Meteo can push RSF far back into the Tornado Ridge, once RSF touched the tornado ridge, Meteo knocked it out from there.
Meteo KO
Libra OS
Libra OS
Libra OS
Libra OS
Libra OS
Meteo KO
Meteo KO
Libra OS
Libra win rate: 70%
Since Meteo can push RSF far back into the Tornado Ridge, once RSF touched the tornado ridge, Meteo knocked it out from there.
MF-H Libra 230RSF vs. MF Lightning L Drago 145R2F
Standard Testing Procedures
Beylaunchers for both
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L Drago KO
L Drago KO
L Drago OS
L Drago KO
L Drago KO
L Drago KO
Libra OS
L Drago KO
Libra OS
L Drago KO
Libra win rate: 20%
L Drago KO
L Drago OS
L Drago KO
L Drago KO
L Drago KO
Libra OS
L Drago KO
Libra OS
L Drago KO
Libra win rate: 20%
MF-H Libra 230RSF vs. MF Meteo L Drago (Barrage Mode) 145R2F
Standard Testing Procedure
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Libra KO
Meteo KO
Meteo KO
Meteo KO
Libra OS
Meteo KO
Libra OS
Meteo KO
Meteo KO
Meteo KO
Libra win rate: 30%
Meteo KO
Meteo KO
Meteo KO
Libra OS
Meteo KO
Libra OS
Meteo KO
Meteo KO
Meteo KO
Libra win rate: 30%
Control_'s testing (UPDATED 1st FEB!)
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Gear: BeyLauncher LR w/ Launcher Rubber w/ 3 segment Grip w/ Launcher Rubber Grip Mule w/ Extension w/ Metal Assist w/ Angle Compass
Stadium: TT Attack Stadium
Sliding Shoot used for every "RF/LRF/R2F Based Combo used"
Both shots at 100% Power
Libra always went first.
MF-H Gravity Perseus (Attack Mode, Counter, Right Spin) 85RF = GP
Vs
MF-H Libra (BB-96) GB145RSF = LB
RF is in prime sliding shoot condition.
RSF is slightly worn.
MF-H Libra GB145RSF 14 - MF-H Gravity Perseus 85RF 9
OVERALL:
GP KO x 9
DRAW x 2
LB OS x 11
LB KO x 3
GP won x 9
LB won x 14
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Gear: BeyLauncher LR w/ Launcher Rubber w/ 3 segment Grip w/ Launcher Rubber Grip Mule w/ Extension w/ Metal Assist w/ Angle Compass
Stadium: TT Attack Stadium
Sliding Shoot used for every "RF/LRF/R2F Based Combo used"
Both shots at 100% Power
Libra always went first.
MF Lightning Ldrago (upper) 100LRF = LL
Vs
MF-H Libra GB145RSF - LB
LRF is in Prime
RSF is slightly worn.
MF Lightning Ldrago (upper) 100LRF 8 - MF-H Libra GB145RSF 15
OVERALL:
LL KO x 8
DRAW x 2
LB OS x 13
LB KO x 2
LL won x 8
LB won x 15
Stadium: TT Attack Stadium
Sliding Shoot used for every "RF/LRF/R2F Based Combo used"
Both shots at 100% Power
Libra always went first.
MF-H Gravity Perseus (Attack Mode, Counter, Right Spin) 85RF = GP
Vs
MF-H Libra (BB-96) GB145RSF = LB
RF is in prime sliding shoot condition.
RSF is slightly worn.
MF-H Libra GB145RSF 14 - MF-H Gravity Perseus 85RF 9
Detailed Results for GP (Click to View)
GP = KO
LB = OS
LB = OS
GP = KO
GP = KO
LB = OS
LB = KO
DRAW (Double KO)
LB = OS
LB = KO
GP = KO
GP = KO
LB = OS
DRAW (Double KO)
GP = KO
LB = OS
LB = KO
LB = OS
GP = KO
LB = OS
GP = KO
LB = OS
GP = KO
LB = OS
LB = OS
LB = OS
LB = OS
GP = KO
GP = KO
LB = OS
LB = KO
DRAW (Double KO)
LB = OS
LB = KO
GP = KO
GP = KO
LB = OS
DRAW (Double KO)
GP = KO
LB = OS
LB = KO
LB = OS
GP = KO
LB = OS
GP = KO
LB = OS
GP = KO
LB = OS
LB = OS
GP KO x 9
DRAW x 2
LB OS x 11
LB KO x 3
GP won x 9
LB won x 14
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Gear: BeyLauncher LR w/ Launcher Rubber w/ 3 segment Grip w/ Launcher Rubber Grip Mule w/ Extension w/ Metal Assist w/ Angle Compass
Stadium: TT Attack Stadium
Sliding Shoot used for every "RF/LRF/R2F Based Combo used"
Both shots at 100% Power
Libra always went first.
MF Lightning Ldrago (upper) 100LRF = LL
Vs
MF-H Libra GB145RSF - LB
LRF is in Prime
RSF is slightly worn.
MF Lightning Ldrago (upper) 100LRF 8 - MF-H Libra GB145RSF 15
Detailed Results for LL (Click to View)
LB = KO
LB=OS
LL = KO
LB = OS
LB = OS
LL = KO
LB = OS
LL = KO
LB = KO
LB = OS
LB = OS
LL = KO
LB = OS
LB = OS
DRAW (double KO)
LB = OS
LL = KO
LL = KO
LB = OS
LB = KO
LL = KO
DRAW (double KO)
LB = OS
LB = OS
LL = KO
LB=OS
LL = KO
LB = OS
LB = OS
LL = KO
LB = OS
LL = KO
LB = KO
LB = OS
LB = OS
LL = KO
LB = OS
LB = OS
DRAW (double KO)
LB = OS
LL = KO
LL = KO
LB = OS
LB = KO
LL = KO
DRAW (double KO)
LB = OS
LB = OS
LL = KO
LL KO x 8
DRAW x 2
LB OS x 13
LB KO x 2
LL won x 8
LB won x 15
Cye Kinomiya's Testing (UPDATED 3rd Feb!)
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I was reading through Fyuuor's RSF vs RS vs CS thread and it looked like there really isn't a defense combo that has an answer for MF Lightning L Drago 100RF. Only RS could get 5-5 results. (I don't have 230 yet.) I tried MF-H Earth Bull C145CS, but the attack combo got a 90% win rate similarly to Fyuuor's test. I thought that the Libra Wheel would definitely get better results so:
MF-H Lightning L Drago 100RF vs MF-H Libra C145CS
7-13 Libra win rate: 65
I randomly thought about the recent thread about low track defense combos and:
MF-H Lightning L Drago 100RF vs MF-H Libra 85CS
5-15 Libra win rate: 75%
When I think about it from the perspective that only the Libra wheel (bar 230 combos) stands up to MF Lightning L Drago 100RF, I feel even moreso that it should be unbanned.
I ran some other tests too:
MF-H Libra 85CS vs Earth Bull 85SD
1-9 Libra win rate: 10%
MF-H Libra C145CS vs Earth Bull 85SD
8-2 Libra win rate: 80%
MF-H Libra C145CS vs Earth Bull AD145SD
0-10 Libra win rate: 0%
With MF-H Libra C145CS vs Earth Bull 85SD, the Libra combo would force the stamina combo into the stadium floor really easily so I switched to AD145.
All tests were done in the attack stadium with MFB grips. With the MF Lightning L Drago 100RF tests, the attack combo was always launches second with a banking shot. The first combo would be shot with a straight shot. With all other tests, both were launched with a straight shot and I switched which one was shot first every round.
[Ed:Libra was BB-96 Mold]
MF-H Lightning L Drago 100RF vs MF-H Libra C145CS
7-13 Libra win rate: 65
I randomly thought about the recent thread about low track defense combos and:
MF-H Lightning L Drago 100RF vs MF-H Libra 85CS
5-15 Libra win rate: 75%
When I think about it from the perspective that only the Libra wheel (bar 230 combos) stands up to MF Lightning L Drago 100RF, I feel even moreso that it should be unbanned.
I ran some other tests too:
MF-H Libra 85CS vs Earth Bull 85SD
1-9 Libra win rate: 10%
MF-H Libra C145CS vs Earth Bull 85SD
8-2 Libra win rate: 80%
MF-H Libra C145CS vs Earth Bull AD145SD
0-10 Libra win rate: 0%
With MF-H Libra C145CS vs Earth Bull 85SD, the Libra combo would force the stamina combo into the stadium floor really easily so I switched to AD145.
All tests were done in the attack stadium with MFB grips. With the MF Lightning L Drago 100RF tests, the attack combo was always launches second with a banking shot. The first combo would be shot with a straight shot. With all other tests, both were launched with a straight shot and I switched which one was shot first every round.
[Ed:Libra was BB-96 Mold]
VIDEOS!
Videos by Fyuoor
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MF - H Libra GB145RS VS MF Meteo L Drago 90R2F
Meteo L Drago: 7/7
Libra: 0/7
Libra Win Rate: 0%
MF-H Libra 230RS VS MF Vulcan Horuseus 85R2F
Vulcan: 0/4
Libra: 4/4
Libra Win Rate: 100%
MF - H Libra GB145RS VS MF Pegasus 85RF
Pegasus: 3/8
Libra: 5/8
Libra Win Rate: 62.5%
Meteo L Drago: 7/7
Libra: 0/7
Libra Win Rate: 0%
MF-H Libra 230RS VS MF Vulcan Horuseus 85R2F
Vulcan: 0/4
Libra: 4/4
Libra Win Rate: 100%
MF - H Libra GB145RS VS MF Pegasus 85RF
Pegasus: 3/8
Libra: 5/8
Libra Win Rate: 62.5%
Evan has a great thread going here, with testing of libra+rsf against various attack beys, done by him and other members: http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-Breaking...nst-Attack
I'll do my best to update this post as more testing is done. I myself have more tests coming, but yeah.
If anyone can test MF Libra CH120RF against Libra Defence combos, and against newer attack blades, it'd be really good.
Also, more testing of MFH Libra BD145RS/RSF/CS is needed.
Kai-V has requested more tests of the BB-96 Libra, so PLEASE INCLUDE WHAT MOLD OF LIBRA YOU ARE USING
But really, any testing is appreciated, if you've got links to previous or new testing, and any more testing, and are okay with them being included here, post them (you'll get credit).