Hey guys! This is mostly to contribute to the sway-defense category of the zero-G tier list that is currently being developed. This is for confirming, organizing, and evaluating the tests that have been done and are being done in the sway-defense category.

I used performance tips from each series (Flat, Spike, Ball, and Defense). I used the same 2 combos for all tests, except for switching the sway-defender's performance tip (obviously)

I used SA165 for the sway defender. It was used in defense mode. I know it isn't the greatest for sway-defense, but I wanted to give the sway-attacker a significantly higher win rate, so as to compare the results of the different tips more effectively.

Here are the tips I am using:

B series: MB (metal ball) SB (sarp ball) TB (twin ball)
S series: RS (rubber sharp) ES (eternal sharp) CS (coating sharp) MS (metal spike)
F series: BSF (blade semi-flat)
D series: BWD (big wide defense)


tests:

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equipment:

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Beylauncher with 3 segment grip.
BBG 04 zero-G attack type stadium.

Balro Balro SP230GF vs. Killerken Killerken SA165BWD
Killerken launched first on all launches.
Balro: wins, 7/20 (1 OS, 1 KO, 5 OGKO)
Killerken: wins, 13/20 (4 OS, 2 KO, 7 OGKO)
BWD win rate: 65%

BWD is unarguably the best tip of the D series for battle against sway. It did pretty great.


Balro Balro SP230GF vs. Killerken Killerken SA165RS
Killerken launched first on all launches.
Balro: wins, 0/10
Killerken: wins, 10/10 (1 KO, 9 OS)
RS win rate: 100%

Though RS did amazing, it did come extremely close to being OGKOed several times. I think its grip just serves as a tool for the sway-attacker, as it will roll easily up the side. However, it doesn't roll quite enough to be OGKOed, and it doesn't seem to lose much spin-velocity when it is thrown around. This tip will have severe balance issues, but only at very low spin velocity, and since its spin velocity isn't effected by sway much at all, balance will usually not be a problem. I prefer this tip over BWD. This is definitely one of the best tips for this purpose.

[u]Balro Balro SP230GF vs Killerken Killerken SA165ES
Killerken launched first on all launches.[/u]
Balro: wins, 2/20 (All OS)
Killerken: wins, 18/20 ( 4 OS, 2 KO, 12 OGKO)
ES win rate: 90%

ES was pretty hard to sway out, but it seemed to have some serious balance issues when it was thrown around. I thought it would maintain spin velocity well, due the fact that it is free-spinning, but it didn't. On the other hand, GF has so little stamina, that this may not be much of a problem. RS is definitely a better choice, but ES will work great too.

Balro Balro SP230GF vs Killerken Killerken SA165CS
Killerken launched first on all launches.
Balro: wins, 4/20 (1 KO, 1 OS, 2 OGKO)
Killerken: wins, 16/20 (1 KO, 13 OS, 1 OGKO)
CS win rate: 80%

CS just didn't do too great compared to some of the others. It had some balance issues (not quite as bad as ES) and it didn't maintain spin velocity very well, and it just got swayed more. I don't like it very much, but you can decide for yourself.

Balro Balro SP230GF vs. Killerken Killerken SA165MS
Killerken launched first on all launches.
Balro: wins, 9/20 (1 KO, 8 OS)
Killerken: wins, 11/20 (4 KO, 7 OS)
MS win rate: 55%

MS just had horrible balance. Since SA165 handles scraping much more effectively than other tracks, anything besides that would get trashed even worse. Killerken got 4 freak-KOs. I have no idea how it did it, but it just kept avoiding the pockets as balro slipped out from the recoil. This would also lose to anything left-spin, and probably to anything else too, since MS is known for its awful balance.

Balro Balro SP230GF vs. Killerken Killerken SA165BSF
Killerken launched first on all launches.
Balro: wins, 4/20 (All OS)
Killerken: wins, 16/20 (All OS)
BSF win rate: 80%

BSF did pretty amazing. However,unlike RS, it seemed to lose a truckload of spin-velocity when swayed, making it pretty easy to knock off-balance and OS compared to BWD or RS.

Balro Balro SP230GF vs Killerken Killerken SA165TB
Killerken launched first on all launches.
Balro: wins, 4/20 (1 KO, 1 OS, 2 OGKO)
Killerken: wins, 16/20 (1 KO, 4 OS, 11 OGKO)
TB win rate: 80%

This thing did pretty well, as far as maintaining spin-velocity and balance, but it was kinda swayed a little bit easier than the others. I still like it a lot, though. Againg, you can decide for yourself. I prefer this over ES, SB, BWD, BSF, or CS.

Balro Balro SP230GF vs Killerken Killerken SA165SB
Killerken launched first on all launches.
Balro: wins, 4/20 (3 KO, 1 OS)
Killerken: wins, 16/20 (2 KO, 7 OS, 7 OGKO)
SB win rate: 80%

This simply had bad balance. For some reason, when I use SB, the two beys just seem to slam into each other more. I don't know why, but they just did.
SB is at an extreme disadvantage at that point. Regardless, it is almost impossible to sway. Balance and low traction are its only real problem.

Balro Balro SP230GF vs. Killerken Killerken SA165MB
Killerken launched first on all launches.
Balro: wins, 0/20
Killerken: wins, 20/20 (1 KO, 19 OS)
MB win rate: 100%

I absolutely love this thing. It is almost completely unmovable (sway-wise), has amazing balance and stamina, and maintains high spin-velocity better than any other tip I've tried.

Here are some more tests you can look at.
Here are a couple more
Thunderdome's tests (done with Gryph Gryph SA165GF)

evaluation:

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Each tip did pretty well. As I said, I picked the tip from each category that I evaluated to be most effective, so any of these tips would perform pretty effectively against sway-attackers. This is so we can narrow it down to the best, so we can decide what to use for the tier-list.

My rating:

1st: MB (metal ball)
2nd: RS (rubber sharp)
3rd: TB (twin ball)
4th: ES (eternal sharp)
5th: SB (sharp ball)
6th: BSF (blade semi-flat)
7th: CS (coating sharp)
8th: BWD (big wide defense)
9th: MS (metal spike)

It was a tough choice between RS and MB, and though RS has generally better defense against smash, smash is not used much in zero-G, and there was a significant drop in stamina and balance when I switched to RS.

I strongly encourage that you guys test these yourselves before posting, and if possible, to verify my results. That would be great! It's good to have more than one person backing up an idea.
Hope you guys find this helpful!

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This is an interesting thread. Hopefully some more people will check it out and it will be easier to make a tier list. I agree that MB is probably one of the best for sway defense. I'll try to get some tests up to help out with your results and tests, but I do agree with all of them from previous tests and tournament experience.

*Ahem.*

Great idea though!

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*Ahem.*

Great idea though!

ooohhh... I've never seen that before! ... This is kinda awkward... Well, I guess we could still use this thread, as a second reference, and once more tests are added on. Do you have any suggestions? I could test CS later.

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I also did some tests somewhere.

Problem with MB is wear. A worn one is significantly easier to sway than a mint one.

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I also did some tests somewhere.

Problem with MB is wear. A worn one is significantly easier to sway than a mint one.

Good point. I've never tried with a worn one, but I'll take your word for it. I looked and didn't see any, but apparently there have been some tests for sway-defense. I'll keep testing, though, since it is good to have multiple references and tests when making a tier-list.
I'll add some tests later tomorrow probably, but I may not be able to post more this week. My grandparents are coming over for my birthday, so I'll have to do it now. What do you guys want tested?

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I think you should still test TB, its a pretty nice tip and would be nice has another purpose than stamina

Also could you test SB?

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Could you try RSF please? It would be great to have more confirmation tests of its use.

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I'll do TB, CS, and ES today.

Sorry ShinobuXD, I won't be able to do that until Saturday.

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There are also several comparison tests here that ShinobuXD and I did...

http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-BSF-Discussion

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MSF-(H) Wyvang Wyvang GB145R2F/RF (teamwork combo with Ingulit)
MSF-H-Dragooon/Bahamdia Dragooon SP230GF (teamwork combo with Ga'Hooleone)
MSF-Gryph Gryph E230BSF
Genbull Genbull SR200TB/CS
Ifraid Dragooon F: D
Gargole Dragooon BD145EDS
MSF-Begirados Begirados BD145RF
Pegasis Dragooon S130LRF
Phoenic Balro TR145MF
MSF-L-Gryph Gryph SA165(normal)GF (Zero-G format)

W2D, I heard it sort of counter sways when it is swayed. Though I have not seen any tests for this, it would be nice to have them.

There are also several comparison tests here that ShinobuXD and I did...

http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-BSF-Discussion

Alright, Alright! I guess I didn't look hard enough... I was checking thread names
I added everyone's tests to the OP. We can just use this as an organized source for sway-defense
comparisons, since there is already a thread for sway-attack comparisons.

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Hahaha....I wasn't taking a shot at you. Just wanted to post those here for reference.

Edit: and to remind Shinobu where he did his tests. Lol

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MSF-(H) Wyvang Wyvang GB145R2F/RF (teamwork combo with Ingulit)
MSF-H-Dragooon/Bahamdia Dragooon SP230GF (teamwork combo with Ga'Hooleone)
MSF-Gryph Gryph E230BSF
Genbull Genbull SR200TB/CS
Ifraid Dragooon F: D
Gargole Dragooon BD145EDS
MSF-Begirados Begirados BD145RF
Pegasis Dragooon S130LRF
Phoenic Balro TR145MF
MSF-L-Gryph Gryph SA165(normal)GF (Zero-G format)

Can you try LF? I think that LF or LRF of a right spin Bey could kindof cancel out the sway because of its opposite movements, but maybe not. If not that, could you do FB or FS?

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LF is just essentialy a R2F with the spikes facing to the right so nothing will change.

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You mean LRF right ? Also, yeah, I agree, I want to see how FB performs.

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Here are some tests
Gear
Zero G Attack Stadium
3 Segment grip
Beylauncher R
Extension
Grip Rubber
Angle compass

Killerken always shot first.

Gryph^2 SA165 (Normal mode) GF vs Killerken Killerken SA165 W2D
Gryph:12 (12 Sway KO)
Killerken:8 (8 Sway KO)
W2D win Percentage: 40%
Detail

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1. Gryph Sway KO
2. Tie, Gryph Sway KO
3. Tie, Gryph Sway KO
4 Killerken Sway KO
5 Gryph Sway KO
6 Gryph Sway KO
7 Tie, Killerken Sway KO
8 Gryph Sway KO
9 Killerken Sway KO
10 Gryph Sway KO
11 Killerken Sway KO
12 Killerken Sway KO
13 Killerken Sway KO
14 Gryph Sway KO
15 Killerken Sway KO
16 Tie, Gryph Sway KO
17 Gryph Sway KO
18 Killerken Sway KO
19 Gryph Sway KO
20 Gryph Sway KO

Gryph 2 SA165 (Normal) GF vs Killerken^2 SA165 (Normal) RB
Gryph:6 (6 Sway KO)
Killerken:14 (14 Sway KO)
RB Win Percentage: 70%
Detail

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1: Killerken Sway KO
2. Killerken Sway KO
3. Killerken Sway KO
4. Gryph Sway KO
5. Killerken Sway KO
6. Killerken Sway KO
7. Killerken Sway KO
8. Killerken Sway KO
9. Gryph Sway KO
10. Killerken Sway KO
11. Killerken Sway KO
12. Gryph Sway KO
13. Killerken Sway KO
14. Gryph Sway KO
15. Killerken Sway KO
16. Gryph Sway KO
17. Killerken Sway KO
18. Killerken Sway KO
19. Gryph Sway KO
20. Killerken Sway KO

Gryph^2 SA165 (Normal) GF vs Killerken^2 SA165 (Normal) PD
Gryph: 14 (14 Sway KO)
Killerken: 6 (6 Sway KO)
PD Win percentage: 30%
Detail

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1. Gryph Sway KO
2. Killerken Sway KO
3. Gryph Sway KO
4. GRyph Sway KO
5. Gryph Sway KO
6. Killerken Sway KO
7. Gryph Sway KO
8. Gryph Sway KO
9. Gryph Sway KO
10. Killerken Sway KO
11. Gryph Sway KO
12. Gryph Sway KO
13. Killerken Sway KO
14. Gryph Sway KO
15. Gryph Sway KO
16. Killerken Sway KO
17. Gryph Sway KO
18. Gryph Sway KO
19. Gryph Sway KO
20. Killerken Sway KO

W2D and PD both got tossed around a lot and didn't hold up good. W2D did stand some what of a better chance, but I wouldn't say to much. RB did actually pretty good compared to the others. It was harder to toss around. It didn't do as good as MB in theblackdragon's tests, but I think it still did decent (Some of Gryph's sway KO's were close against RB).

Thanks thunderdome! I don't know if Gryph^2 SA165GF has better sway that Balro Balro SP230GF, so those tests might be a little hard to compare to the others... Could you or someone else test one of the tips that has already been tested vs Balro against gryph so we can see if gryph does better or worse than balro against the same tip?

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Sure. I can have some of those tests later. I'll use BSF with Killerken if thats all right.

Speaking of LF (and I do not mean LRF)....I would also like to see some sway defense tip comparison tests vs a sway combo using LF. That is a tip that needs some serious attention in the zero g stadium, try it and you will see why.

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My combos (Click to View)

MSF-(H) Wyvang Wyvang GB145R2F/RF (teamwork combo with Ingulit)
MSF-H-Dragooon/Bahamdia Dragooon SP230GF (teamwork combo with Ga'Hooleone)
MSF-Gryph Gryph E230BSF
Genbull Genbull SR200TB/CS
Ifraid Dragooon F: D
Gargole Dragooon BD145EDS
MSF-Begirados Begirados BD145RF
Pegasis Dragooon S130LRF
Phoenic Balro TR145MF
MSF-L-Gryph Gryph SA165(normal)GF (Zero-G format)

shouldnt LF go faster in left spin than right spin?

Sure. I can have some of those tests later. I'll use BSF with Killerken if thats all right.

That'll be perfect!

KainHighwind: really? I'll try it!

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diblee123, if it does technically go faster in left spin, then the difference in speed will be hardly noticeable.

@theblackdragon, LF's biggest problem has always been that it couldn't hold a flower pattern for long, but that doesn't matter in the zero g stadium. It is still an incredibly fast bottom, and sways very well. From what I remember, it was more controllable than GF, and swayed almost as well.

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MSF-(H) Wyvang Wyvang GB145R2F/RF (teamwork combo with Ingulit)
MSF-H-Dragooon/Bahamdia Dragooon SP230GF (teamwork combo with Ga'Hooleone)
MSF-Gryph Gryph E230BSF
Genbull Genbull SR200TB/CS
Ifraid Dragooon F: D
Gargole Dragooon BD145EDS
MSF-Begirados Begirados BD145RF
Pegasis Dragooon S130LRF
Phoenic Balro TR145MF
MSF-L-Gryph Gryph SA165(normal)GF (Zero-G format)

Can you do some tests on B as well, it has some interesting aspects for zero-g

Can you do some tests on B as well, it has some interesting aspects for zero-g

I don't think B would have any advantages over MB or SB, but I might be able to try it later.

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