My Testing (Click to View)
Tests in chronological order (for now)
Phantom Orion B:D spin time (out of the box, first launch)
5:51
MFB Attack Stadium
Custom: Karabiner Grib + LL2.Launching priority changed every 10 rounds.
Identical bottoms swapped every 5 rounds.
Phantom Orion (Stamina) B:D vs. Scythe Kronos (Stamina) BD145EDS
Phantom Orion (Stamina) B:D: 19 wins (19 OS)
Scythe Kronos BD145EDS: 1 win (1 OS)
Phantom Orion win percentage: 95%
Phantom Orion (Stamina) 145WD vs. Scythe Kronos (Stamina) 145WD
Phantom Orion (Stamina) 145WD: 17 wins (17 OS)
Scythe Kronos 145WD: 3 win (3 OS)
1 Draw
1 KO (PO wins)
Phantom Orion win percentage: 85%
Phantom Orion (Attack) 145WD vs. Scythe Kronos (Stamina) 145WD
Phantom Orion (Stamina) 145WD: 4 wins (4 OS)
Scythe Kronos 145WD: 16 win (16 OS)
3 Draw
6 KO (PO wins)
2 KO (SK wins)
Phantom Orion win percentage: 20%
Due to the massive difference between both 145WD tests, both in results and canceled rounds, I decided to do another 10 rounds with Phantom Orion (Stamina) for the sake of Accuracy.
Phantom Orion (Stamina) 145WD vs. Scythe Kronos (Stamina) 145WD
Phantom Orion (Stamina) 145WD: 7 wins (7 OS)
Scythe Kronos 145WD: 3 win (3 OS)
2 Draw
Phantom Orion win percentage: 70%
Phantom Orion B:D spin time (out of the box, first launch)
5:51
MFB Attack Stadium
Custom: Karabiner Grib + LL2.
Why? (Click to View)
I feel there's a lot of kickback when I launch with a beylauncher, but it doesn't happen consistently, which would certainly affect results
Identical bottoms swapped every 5 rounds.
Phantom Orion (Stamina) B:D vs. Scythe Kronos (Stamina) BD145EDS
Phantom Orion (Stamina) B:D: 19 wins (19 OS)
Scythe Kronos BD145EDS: 1 win (1 OS)
Phantom Orion win percentage: 95%
Phantom Orion (Stamina) 145WD vs. Scythe Kronos (Stamina) 145WD
Phantom Orion (Stamina) 145WD: 17 wins (17 OS)
Scythe Kronos 145WD: 3 win (3 OS)
1 Draw
1 KO (PO wins)
Phantom Orion win percentage: 85%
Phantom Orion (Attack) 145WD vs. Scythe Kronos (Stamina) 145WD
Phantom Orion (Stamina) 145WD: 4 wins (4 OS)
Scythe Kronos 145WD: 16 win (16 OS)
3 Draw
6 KO (PO wins)
2 KO (SK wins)
Phantom Orion win percentage: 20%
Due to the massive difference between both 145WD tests, both in results and canceled rounds, I decided to do another 10 rounds with Phantom Orion (Stamina) for the sake of Accuracy.
Phantom Orion (Stamina) 145WD vs. Scythe Kronos (Stamina) 145WD
Phantom Orion (Stamina) 145WD: 7 wins (7 OS)
Scythe Kronos 145WD: 3 win (3 OS)
2 Draw
Phantom Orion win percentage: 70%
Fury's Testing (Click to View)
Fury Wrote:PHANTOM AQUARIO AD145WD VS BASALT AQUARIO B:D
BASALT LAUNCHED FIRST. BEYLAUNCHER LR
Phantom Wins: 15 ( 3 KO - 12 OS)
Basalt Wins: 5 ( 5 KO - 0 OS)
Phantom Win Rate: 75%
Fury Wrote:Phantom Aquario df145wd Vs Scythe Aquario Df145
The usual rules. ALternating Shots.
Phantom Wins: 12 ( All OS)
Scythe Wins:8 (1 ko)
Phantom Win%: 60%
(Sep. 24, 2011 5:39 AM)Fury Wrote: ok heres mf-h basalt horogium bd145mb vs mf-h phantom orion B:D
First ten rounds. Basalt launched first
Phantom Wins: 7 (All OS)
Basalt Wins: 3 (All KO)
Phantom win rate: 70%
Next Ten rounds. Phantom Launched First
Phantom Wins: 7 wins (All SO)
Basalt Wins: 3 wins (1 SO - 2 KO)
Phantom Win Rate: 70%
Phantom overall Winrate: 70%
Sorry tests took so long, my dog got skunked in the eyes :(
Phantom Has proven once again that it can beat some of the best beys. though the recoil is a game changer. it is not to major and continues to win.
(Sep. 24, 2011 6:53 AM)Fury Wrote: okie
MF-H PHANTOM AQUARIO B:D VS BASALT KERBECS TH170CS (170 HEIGHT)
Phantom Wins: 9 (all OS)
Basalt Wins 1 (KO)
Phantom Win Rate: 90%
VS Basalt at 220 height
Phantom Wins: 8 ( 7 OS - 1 KO)
Basalt Wins:2 (1 OS - 1 KO)
Phantom Win rate: 80 %
ive done so many tests today lol but phantom is great.
(Sep. 24, 2011 4:15 PM)Fury Wrote:(Sep. 24, 2011 3:38 PM)Mr. N Wrote: For Defense, try BD145/TH170CS against the best Attack wheels you have please.
heres some
MF-H PHANTOM AQUARIO TH170CS VS MF-H BLITZ HOROGIUM BD145R2F
PHANTOM WINS: 8 (2 KO)
BLITZ WINS: 2 (2KO)
PHANTOM WIN RATE: 80%
honestly suprised by these tests so i changed them up a bit.
MF-H PHANTOM AQUARIO BD145CS VS MF BLITZ HOROGIUM R145RF
PHANTOM WINS: 9 (1 KO)
BLITZ WINS: 1 (KO)
PHANTOM WIN RATE:90%
I honestly dont know how its getting these results but blitz scored som hard hits on phantom but phantom was able to stay in.
if u want i can test against variares
(Sep. 25, 2011 12:55 AM)Fury Wrote: Phantom Orion 230WD VS MF-H Basalt Horogium B:D
Phantom Wins: 6 (OS)
Basalt Wins:4 (2 ko)
Phantom Win Rate: 60%
MF-H Phantom Orion 230WD Vs MF-H Blitz Rex BD145RF
Phantom Wins: 3 (OS)
Blitz Wins: 7 (KO)
Phantom Win Rate: 30%
got owned here but no suprise. stamina vs attack :)
Mr. N's Testing (Click to View)
(Oct. 02, 2011 8:03 PM)Mr. N Wrote: I tried Phantom for Attack.
Phantom Orion S130RF VS MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145RB
Standard Procedures
Phantom Orion Win Rate – 85% (4KO, 13OS)
Basalt Kerbecs Win Rate – 15% (3KO)
This is probably because of RB's carp stamina but Phantom did get a decent win rate. Even on RF it can out spin things.
BeybladeStation's Testing (Click to View)
Kei's Testing (Click to View)
(Oct. 10, 2011 5:18 PM)Kei Wrote:(Oct. 10, 2011 4:08 AM)BeybladeStation Wrote: You should've used Attack Mode, there is so much less recoil..
So, Attack Mode is better in general? Is its Stamina affected at all? Based on some of the results I see in the OP, Attack Mode seems to be much worse.
(Oct. 10, 2011 4:11 AM)Uwik Wrote: Strangely, when battled against each other with mirror parts, Scythe will most likely take the win. I have a strong feeling that Scythe mw is very sensitive to height difference for its contact points.
I did a lot of testing the night before the tournament, but not any straight up Scythe vs. Phantom Stamina battles because the results I had been reading were so heavily in Phantom's favour ... it was really odd. :S Now, check this out:
Attack Stadium
BeyLauncher + Launcher Grip
Alternating Shots
WD's switched half way through
MF-F Phantom Fox (Stamina Mode) D125WD vs. Scythe Kronos (Stamina Mode) D125WD
MF-F Phantom Fox D125WD: 10 wins
Scythe Kronos D125WD: 0 wins
Phantom win percentage: 100%
There was no contest whatsoever. Phantom was dominant. It was the complete opposite of the result I encountered yesterday ... I hate unexplainable variance like this. And here's a few more quick tests:
MF-F Phantom Fox (Stamina Mode) D125WD vs. Scythe Kronos (Stamina Mode) BD145EDS
MF-F Phantom Fox D125WD: 5 wins
Scythe Kronos BD145EDS: 0 wins
Phantom win percentage: 100%
MF-F Phantom Fox (Stamina Mode) D125WD vs. Phantom Orion (Stamina Mode) B:D
MF-F Phantom Fox D125WD: 5 wins
Phantom Orion B:D: 0 wins
Phantom win percentage: 100%
Cruelty's Testing (Click to View)
(Oct. 12, 2011 1:27 AM)CRUelty Wrote: Did some incredibly random testing, here's the results:
Materials: Attack Stadium, Three Segment Launcher Grip, BeyLauncher, Launcher Rubbers.
Alternating shots
Phantom Orion (Stamina Mode) 230D vs. Rock Leone 145WB
Phantom Wins: 7 (6 OS, 1 KO)
Rock Leone Wins: 13 (11 OS, 2 KO)
Phantom Win Percentage: 35%
Rock Win Percentage: 65%
Rock Leone obviously would attack the underside of Phantom, which pretty much destablized it, so that's where the OS' came in, seeing as if it hit it enough, Phantom would floor scrape. Just a little bit of randomness... not sure how much, if any, better TH170 would do, since I do not own the part.
gibsonmac's Testing (Click to View)
(Oct. 19, 2011 1:11 AM)gibsonmac Wrote: MF Phantom Orion BD145CS vs MFH Scythe Kronos BD145EDS (slight aggro)
Phantom 20-20
Scythe 0-20
Alternating Shots
Phantom 100% All OS
MF Phantom Orion BD145CS vs MFH Scythe 85EDS (calm)
Phantom 20-20
Scythe 0-20
Alternating Shots
Phantom 100% All OS
MF Phantom Orion BD145CS vs MF VariAres CH120RF(prime) (right)
Phantom 11-20
VariAres 9-20 All KO
Phantom 55% all
MF Phantom Orion BD145CS vs MF VariAres CH120RF(prime) (left)
Phantom 6-20
VariAres 14-20
Phantom 30%
MF Phantom Orion BD145CS vs MFH Basalt Aquario BD145MB
Phantom 20-20
BASALT 0-20
Alternating Shots
Phantom 100%
Decent as a Defense custom for sure. and it KILLS Basalt
MF Phantom Orion BD145CS vs MF Blitz Herculeo S130R2f
Phantom 9-20
Blitz 11-20
Phantom 45%
Compared to
MFH Basalt Aquario BD145MB vs MF Blitz Herculeo S130R2F
Basalt 5-20
Blitz 15-20
Basalt 25%
All tests, standard Procedures
Phantom ALWAYS in Stamina mode
(Oct. 27, 2011 12:05 AM)gibsonmac Wrote: You guys are NOT going to believe this...
MF-F (Stamina) PHantom Cancer AD145RF vs MFH Basalt Aquario BD145MB
Phantom 17-20 (10KO's!!!!!!!!!)
Basalt 3-20
Phantom 85%
OK... so I went with a stamina set-up with an RF for two reasons, a) to increase RPM's by having all the weight/power on the edge, b) give the combo longer legs so to speak, increase stamina, for barrage style attacks... the result is an EXTREMELY fast RF combo that acts strangely like XF with grip... AND it moves so fast it easily KO's Basalt BD... KO's people!!! Never thought, but yeah try that shee-ieght.. and when it doesn't hit hard right away, it jabs the carp out of it until it destabilizes... try and enjoy!
(Oct. 28, 2011 9:41 PM)gibsonmac Wrote: For DAN...
MFF Phantom Cancer CH120RF vs MFH Basalt Kerbecs BD145MB
Phantom 4-10 1KO
Basalt 6-10
Phantom 40%
MFF Phantom Cancer CH145RF vs MFH Basalt Kerbecs BD145MB
Phantom 7-10 5KO
Basalt 3-10
Phantom 70%
Well I was right, 145 is needed for this particular combo, though GB145 doesn't work for reasons stated before... and Hazel and Dan, looks like I found you a situation where 145 height of a CH120(properly functioning) IS the correct choice lol...
Glowfire1's Testing (Click to View)
(Oct. 23, 2011 12:35 PM)Glowfire1 Wrote: MF Phantom Bull BD145EDS vs. MF-H Basalt 230CS
phantom (stamina) - 20-20
Basalt - 0-20
100%
MF Phantom Bull BD145EDS vs. MF-H Basalt 230 D
Phantom(stamina) - 20-20
basalt - 0-20
100%
(mfb sttack stadium clear)
no chance for basalt
(Nov. 19, 2011 9:34 PM)Glowfire1 Wrote: here are the test results for basalt kerbecs 230 d/cs vs. phantom orion ad145rf
first: basalt kerbecs 230d vs. phantom orion ad145rf (stamina side at hitting front)
bsalat: 5 wins (3 os, 2 ko)
phantom: 5 wins (5 ko)
phantom win percentage: 50% (55% (I had made after that twenty battles to make better results))
basalt kerbecs 230d vs. phantom orion ad145rf (attack side at hitting front)
basalt: 3 wins (3 os)
phantom: 7 wins (6 ko, 1os)
phantoms win percentage: 70%
basalt kerbecs 230CS vs. phantom orion ad145rf (attack side at hitting front)
basalt: 6 wins ( 5ko, 1os)
phantom: 4 wins (3 ko, 1os)
phantom win percentage: 40%(60% after 20 battles it had 12 wins)
that was a big draw battle
basalt kerbecs 230CS vs. phantom orion ad145rf (stamina side at hitting front)
basalt: 7 wins( 3 ko, 4os)
Phantom: 3 wins (3 ko)
phantom win percentage: 30 % (25% after 20 battles)
much draws again
also if you make it right you will get draws or you can win but that´s not easy always
ლ(ಠ益ಠლ)'s Testing (Click to View)
(Oct. 24, 2011 10:25 PM)ლ(ಠ益ಠლ) Wrote: I did some attack testing myself and these are my results:
Stamina Mode Attack Testing (Click to View)MF Phantom Aquario GB145RF VS MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS
Spoiler (Click to View)PA: 45% (7 KO's)
BK: 55% (13 SO's)
MF Phantom Aquario GB145RF VS MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145RSF
Spoiler (Click to View)PA: 40% (7 KO's, 1 SO)
BK: 60% (4 KO's, 8 SO's)
Attack Mode Attack Testing (Click to View)MF Phantom Aquario GB145RF VS MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS
Spoiler (Click to View)PA: 75% (14 KO's, 1 SO)
BK: 25% (1 KO's, 4 SO's)
MF Phantom Aquario GB145RF VS MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145RSF
Spoiler (Click to View)PA: 45% (8 KO's, 1 SO)
BK: 55% (2 KO's, 9 SO's)
(Oct. 26, 2011 9:29 PM)ლ(ಠ益ಠლ) Wrote:Low Track Stamina/Attack Testing (Click to View)
Tornado Stall-er
MF Phantom Aquario 90MF VS MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS
Spoiler (Click to View)PA: 95% (All SO's)
BK: 5% (KO)
Tornado Stall-er
MF Phantom Aquario 90MF VS Basalt Kerbecs B : D
Spoiler (Click to View)PA: 80% (All SO's)
BK: 20% (All SO's)
Bank Shot
MF Phantom Aquario 90MF VS MF-H Basalt Kerbecs B : D
Spoiler (Click to View)PA: 85% (14 KO's, 3 SO's)
BK: 15% (2 SO's, 1 KO)
I seem to be having better luck with Attack testing in Attack mode, so to verify, this is Attack mode, and this is Stamina mode, right?
(Oct. 28, 2011 10:49 PM)ლ(ಠ益ಠლ) Wrote:(Oct. 26, 2011 10:17 PM)Dan Wrote: I honestly cannot see any current wheel at 90 height KO Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS/MB with MF of all tips unless this CS is extremely aggressive. Unless somehow someone overlooked its absurd amount of recoil (having to be larger than VariAres or Blitz) with its insurmountable stamina, assuming having the two is possible in a single wheel. Even with its mode change it is ridiculously impossible..
MF never KO'd Basalt BD145CS, it always won by out spin...
(Oct. 26, 2011 9:29 PM)ლ(ಠ益ಠლ) Wrote: Tornado Stall-er
MF Phantom Aquario 90MF VS MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS
PA: 95% (All SO's)
BK: 5% (KO)
I tried CH120 for awhile, and realized halfway through the testing that it was sucking, so I stopped there with 2 KO's on Phantom's part, and 9 SO's with Basalt. Also, done with the S130 tests, and these are the results:
MF Phantom Aquario S130RF VS MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS
Stamina Mode Testing: (Click to View)
PA: 45% (9 KO's)
BK: 55% (9 SO's, 2 KO's)
Attack Mode Testing: (Click to View)
PA: 65% (13 KO's)
BK: 35% (6 SO's, 1 KO)
I'd love to do some RSF testing later, though.
RustyXD's Testing (Click to View)
(Nov. 16, 2011 11:15 AM)RustyXD Wrote: Just like to bring up some observations about phantoms attack capabilities. Phantom has a decent amount of smash but less then things like Beat , VariAres and Blitz although it is way more reliable then Beat in terms of recoil and all.
Here are some quick tests.
MF-H Basalt Kerbecs TH170CS Vs MF-H Phantom Bull R145RF
Standard Procedure
Phantom wins : 7 (All KO)
Basalt wins : 3 (2 OS)
Phantom seems to hit basalt up to the TR and then finish it off with a beastly hit.
stevebak's Testing (Click to View)
(Nov. 21, 2011 6:52 PM)stevebak Wrote: I just Got my Phantom Orion today
I whas fooling around and made
MF-L Phantom Serpent GB145MF (Attack)
due to homework and all I had only the time to do some formal testings.
But here is a surprise result against
Basalt Bull BD145CS it got 8 out of 10
6 KO wins
2 OS wins
2 Loses
1 OS
1 KO
And also wins against
MF-H Hell Kerbecs BD145CS
7-3
wins where all KO's
and Loses OS
I will post more result towards the end of this week
Bleik's Testing (Click to View)
(Nov. 27, 2011 5:07 PM)Bleik Wrote: Tests:
MF-F Phantom Jupiter 85R2F VS Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS
Phantom: 12 Wins (All KO)
Basalt: 8 Wins (All KO)
MF-F Phantom Aquario 85MF (Stalled) VS Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS (Stalled)
Phantom: 20 Wins (All KO)
Basalt: O Wins
MF-F Phantom Aquario AD145DS VS Basalt Kerbecs 85D
Phantom: 19 Wins (11 OS, 8 KO)
Basalt: 1 Win (KO)
MF-F Phantom Aquario 85DS VS Basalt Kerbecs AD145D
Phantom: 15 Wins (All OS)
Basalt: 5 Wins (4 KO, 1 OS)
MF-F Phantom Aquario AD145R2F VS Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS (Aggro CS)
Phantom: 20 Wins (All KO)
Basalt: 0 Wins
MF-F Phantom Aquario AD145D VS Gravity Perseus 85EWD
Phantom: 0 Wins
Gravity: 20 Wins (All OS)
Phantom in Attack Mode. Gravity in Left Spin, Defense Mode, STM Vers.
Kerbecs orientated in the same position as in the MF-H Basalt Kerbecs TH170WF thread
J o n's Testing (Click to View)
(Dec. 02, 2011 11:11 PM)J o n Wrote: MFH Phantom AquarioTH170RDF two man testing me and galaxy4ever
I just wanna say this combo is a true balance type combo. That is all.
PA190 vs VariAresR145R2F (11/20) 9 KO 2 OS Vari(9KOs)
PA170 vs VariAresR145R2F (10/10) alllllll KOs. Cool ikr!?
Overall I think RDF is a true balance tip along with PhantomTh170(190 mode) it has decent attack movement, stamina, and defense. We're doing 220 now. Till then cya!
OK! Its official, this combo is extremely a BEAST. Beastly balance combo. RDF as defense/attack, Phantom for stamina and defense, TH170 for attack, defense and stamina.
220 Test
PA220 vs VariAresR145R2F (13/20) 7 Ko 6 OS. Vari(7KOs)
I want you all to take notice on this combo. This could be the evolution of MF Hell KerbecsBD145CS. But preferably 190 and 220 hieght is better performance. Might do an thread for RDF. . . . .
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