Of course, a new system has to be announced after I cancel my passport subscription. Oh well, I wonder if this will encourage some sort of a revival in Australia. We've fallen quite far from where we once were in terms of tournament numbers.
I don't know if this has already been stated, but regarding the issue of whether there will be much complexity in customisation, as all four of the new Beyblades are completely unique, there are already 64 possible combinations. (4^3) Also, from what I remember for quite a while MFB was pretty much a 3 part system, as Aquario was the only beneficial Clear Wheel, and I think even stamina types were better off with a Metal Face.
Again, sorry if this has already been discussed, I only skimmed the thread.
(Apr. 21, 2015 4:27 AM)Chaos Blader Wrote: [ -> ]Of course, a new system has to be announced after I cancel my passport subscription. Oh well, I wonder if this will encourage some sort of a revival in Australia. We've fallen quite far from where we once were in terms of tournament numbers.
I don't know if this has already been stated, but regarding the issue of whether there will be much complexity in customisation, as all four of the new Beyblades are completely unique, there are already 64 possible combinations. (4^3) Also, from what I remember for quite a while MFB was pretty much a 3 part system, as Aquario was the only beneficial Clear Wheel, and I think even stamina types were better off with a Metal Face.
Again, sorry if this has already been discussed, I only skimmed the thread.
I knew it was more than enough but was too lazy and busy to do the calculations of probability, so thank you for posting that. Hopefully that appeases everyone complaining about lack of available customizations ... Faces never counted much and, as you mentioned, barely five Clear Wheels were ever useful.
Definitely, I hope Australia can finally come back with this new generation, although I suppose you guys will still receive stock slightly later and for crazy prices again, hah.
The reason I’m disappointed in the customization of the new system is because the original plastics had the original 4 layer parts system of attack ring (contact point shape), weight disk (weight and weight distribution), and blade base (tip shape, height, base gimmicks) while the original Metal System MFBs changed this formula to wheel (contact point shape, weight, and weight distribution), track (height and base gimmicks), and bottom (tip shape). I always though they changed the system for MFB because the designers wanted to do something new and differentiate themselves from the parts system from Bakuten Shoot Beyblade. To me, it seemed like a no-brainer that the new series would have a new system of AR, weight disk, track, and bottom (a combination of MFB and HMS/plastics) to even have more control and customization options over your Beyblade compared to previous series, but here it’s basically just the plastics system again.
(Apr. 21, 2015 4:41 AM)Kai-V Wrote: [ -> ]I knew it was more than enough but was too lazy and busy to do the calculations of probability, so thank you for posting that. Hopefully that appeases everyone complaining about lack of available customizations ... Faces never counted much and, as you mentioned, barely five Clear Wheels were ever useful.
This is also why I’m concerned. Clears wheels were never that significant to a combo in MFB (to be fair, there were more than five notable clear wheels and certain clear wheels help expose contact points/slopes) even thought HWS is touted as a ‘brand new system’. Basically I’m worried that just like HWS they will introduce a system that adds a new part to the Beyblades, but really isn’t all that significant to customization.
I’m really hoping that the driver can be broken up into a track and tip in the future. I’m a little doubtful of this because it seems like Accele and Fusion are the same height. This seems really odd, because even the original Flat, Semi-Flat, and Sharp bases from plastics had different heights. Maybe they intentionally want all the Beyblades in this series to be at the same height?
(Apr. 21, 2015 1:03 AM)Revenant Wrote: [ -> ]Now that I think about it,this is pretty exciting!
New Dawn,New Bey.....(Tournament name anyone?)
The Beys are back in town...
(Apr. 21, 2015 1:03 AM)Revenant Wrote: [ -> ]Now that I think about it,this is pretty exciting!
New Dawn,New Bey.....(Tournament name anyone?)
Beyblade's back alright! eh, sounds stupid for a tournament name... it's just nice to see that Beyblade is back anyways : )
I like how interconnected beyloggers look like they're doing a handshake gesture whereas interconnected beypointers look like they're doing a fist-bump one.
Beyloggers, the ladies' and gentlemen's tech for Beyblades.
Edit: whoops
(Apr. 21, 2015 8:14 AM)DaSacredKnee Wrote: [ -> ]Beyblade's back alright!
Oh man, I've had that joke in my head all day and I was unable to post it.
On terms of customizability, this system seems to want all the parts to be relevant to the combo in some way or form more so than other systems. I mean we have the top layer where most of the contact happens, then we have the weight that also seems to be the trigger for the burst system, then we have the core which decides the tip which is normally the deciding part of what type the combo is. Just from the lack of decorative, separate part allows more focus on the custom, while still having the center of the top having some decorative emblem on it. I have a feeling that they want every part of the top to be important to the battle.
Well well well.... I guess I'm back full time now. Thanks to the WBO team for this information and now I'm more eager to even participate even more. Thanks! Means a lot. Been going through some stuff. I appreciate the info!
(Apr. 21, 2015 4:27 AM)Chaos Blader Wrote: [ -> ]Oh well, I wonder if this will encourage some sort of a revival in Australia. We've fallen quite far from where we once were in terms of tournament numbers.
Check out the UK, I don't even think we have any active members from there anymore.
(Apr. 21, 2015 2:36 PM)Wizard Wrote: [ -> ] (Apr. 21, 2015 4:27 AM)Chaos Blader Wrote: [ -> ]Oh well, I wonder if this will encourage some sort of a revival in Australia. We've fallen quite far from where we once were in terms of tournament numbers.
Check out the UK, I don't even think we have any active members from there anymore.
Hm ...
http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-London-U...ad?page=10
Man bursting at the end of a battle is going to be so lame, i just bursted diablo nemesis with a galaxy pegasus, yes i admit to using pegasus. Both were fully tightened. It wont have the same total demolition thrill as usual.
(Apr. 21, 2015 2:53 PM)Kai-V Wrote: [ -> ] (Apr. 21, 2015 2:36 PM)Wizard Wrote: [ -> ] (Apr. 21, 2015 4:27 AM)Chaos Blader Wrote: [ -> ]Oh well, I wonder if this will encourage some sort of a revival in Australia. We've fallen quite far from where we once were in terms of tournament numbers.
Check out the UK, I don't even think we have any active members from there anymore.
Hm ... http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-London-U...ad?page=10
Wow, I'm honestly surprised. But it's still not even a fraction of what they used to have before MFB launched in the West.
(Apr. 22, 2015 3:00 AM)GhostShot Wrote: [ -> ]Man bursting at the end of a battle is going to be so lame, i just bursted diablo nemesis with a galaxy pegasus, yes i admit to using pegasus. Both were fully tightened. It wont have the same total demolition thrill as usual.
I don't mean to be rude, but you've complained about the exploding Beyblades tons of times in this thread. It's an interesting gimmick, and it may not be for everyone, but seriously, would you rather beyblade be on hiatus? And at least give it a chance before constantly criticising it.
A Beyblade Burst demo video by
maidigitv
Spriggan v Valkyrie
(Apr. 22, 2015 7:22 AM)DaSacredKnee Wrote: [ -> ]Spriggan v Valkyrie
I'd like to revisit this for a moment. Because this video is the defining moment of the new product release so far. It shows the new technology in an amateur setting. The guy in the video is a sales representative - not a trained or inveterate blader. Lo and behold, two different blades launched by the same rookie = double-kill. The battle lasts just three seconds.
But to supress the urge to just throw out an insignificant opinion among the masses, I'll attempt to make this as academic as possible. Commence quotations:
(Apr. 15, 2015 5:29 PM)Bey Brad Wrote: [ -> ] (Apr. 15, 2015 2:43 PM)The Supreme One Wrote: [ -> ]I'm a little disappointed that they didn't wait a bit longer and develop something more innovative. Tops that fall apart after every battle sound like a pain to constantly be putting together.
I agree with this 100%, except I feel much more strongly about it.
To label the "burst" mechanic "un-innovative" is pretty accurate. Truth is, there have been many "make your own Beyblade system" threads on the WBO in the past and a number of them include this exact innovation. It does not take a rocket scientist to "invent" this gimmick.
In fact, such a system has already been designed in detail by our own Lowen93. I have quoted the whole post (below) where he introduces his new "Neo" system. Where "burst" uses spring pressure to keep its blades together, the "Neo" system uses neodymium magnets of varying powers.
(May. 06, 2014 11:26 PM)lowen93 Wrote: [ -> ]I've seen quite a few "design a new Beyblade series" entries that involve magnets and have always wanted an excuse to buy some Neodymium magnets to fiddle with so decided to replace the face bolt with a "pin" that holds the wheels to the track so during play it can be possible to dislodge the opponents wheels from the track creating a win... or at least allowing quick wheel changes.
The concept of using magnets seems worth an investigation from all the ideas others have come up with that revolve around magnets. As I'm going to be using Neodymium magnets I've added "Neo" to the parts that will use this holding system.
The pictures are of Whyger 120WSF (work in progress still), based around Berserker Byakko as with my machine I will be able to create much better detail. Also have tracks from 70 (7mm height) upto 250 (25mm height) in 10 (1mm) increments drawn up.
Basic 70 to 250 tracks lined up
Side view:
Cross sectional view of Whyger
Lower view of Whyger
Internal shape of a tip
Lower view of Whyger Neo
Cutaway view showing the magnet and holding system
It works with a 8mm diameter, 1mm thick magnet that should give around 400gm of pulling force, as the pin is only 2mm diameter at the magnet this should give 25grams of pulling force (guessing that the surface area affects the pull this way). Experimentation will let me find out what sort of force is needed so I'll adjust the diameter of the pin to adjust the holding force.
As the track is much lighter than a wheel not much force would be needed to separate the two parts in a battle hence I've gone for this low starting force. Also as the internal height with a magnet instead of a bolt will be much smaller it would be possible to make bearing tips for low profile tracks such a 70, but look the same from the outside as a normal facebolt set up.
So it is true. The idea has been floated before. Though it cannot be denied that Takara-Tomy have once again been the first to actually
implement such an idea - and that is a noble effort on their part. Plus, if you approach "burst" as just another layer of optional gameplay (like the choice you have between Limited and Standard) then you can't really say a "new" way to play Beyblade is a bad thing. Plenty of people never liked ZeroG.
And if I may break down and toot my own horn for a moment, this was my reply to Lowen's "Neo" system:
(Jun. 11, 2014 6:59 AM)Beylon Wrote: [ -> ]In regards to your magnetic play mechanic... I remember seeing the Hasbro Stealth Battlers for the first time and thinking: so these are Beyblades with self-destruct buttons built in? For the longest time I wondered why the next official Takara generation didn't take advantage of that - Beyblades that are designed to literally destroy each other (even if the destruction was a gimmick). Being able to burst apart a blade is a GREAT way to encourage new attack types and especially when the "neo" parts are compatible with the existing range.
Oh, well, this is a little embarrassing. A little late on the gun, perhaps, but kudos, Takara, kudos!
Here is my analysis of the video. Here, both tops have the burst mechanic in play, you can see this from the fact that Valkyrie Burst just as it was leaving the stadium, Now, while these things could still be rigged somewhat, it is noticeable that it required a hit strong enough to normally knock out the beyblade in other systems to cause this particular burst. This also means that despite the wheels being of plastic, they do have quite a bit of force behind them. Along with that, it seems that you require a focus hit in order to cause burst caused here by the flower pattern. So one could say that these beyblades require the flower patern of an attack type to reliably cause the hit that triggers burst. It also seems to be the aggressor that more commonly activates the event in the defending beyblade, but as we well know recoil is a thing. As such, I feel that Burst will be more reliable than knocking out a beyblade for ending the match, but for winning it is a risk/reward system, which I think is what they could be going for here.
(Apr. 22, 2015 7:22 AM)DaSacredKnee Wrote: [ -> ]A Beyblade Burst demo video by maidigitv
Spriggan v Valkyrie
Ok, that WAS very short, but MAN was that cool. I can imagine kids going crazy with this. I really do like this new design, and I can't wait to experiment with it. Obviously this battle was a double kill tho. I wanna see Valkyrie vs Kerberus the defense type.
Gerd Dermit. I was saving up for a sword and steam giftcards x3 now I have to save more!!!
I really hope that woman isn't dressed as one of the possible characters.
This girl's voice is a pure torture. I can't even concentrate on the video, it's horrible. BAYBRADE.
(Apr. 22, 2015 4:58 PM)J.I.N.B.E.E! Wrote: [ -> ]I really hope that woman isn't dressed as one of the possible characters.
Yeah... I really don't know what to expect about the manga/anime. If we had at least one little print of the new characters... Anything would make my soul a little less impatient. Because these media are going to sell the new gen beys. And they can completely make some stupid and boring series. Anything can happen. I just wanna see some designs to calm down. Does anybody know who is going to be the artist for the manga series?
If shes like one of the main characters as a BLADER then her design is pretty interesting.
Or if it's any female character.
If not, then she'll probably be just be a stupid useless horrible HILARY!!!
I don't think the woman is dressed as one of them, looks out of place.
(Apr. 19, 2015 12:47 PM)J.I.N.B.E.E! Wrote: [ -> ] (Apr. 19, 2015 7:34 AM)Neo Wrote: [ -> ]This is a terrible idea.
I was like "awesome" when I finally logged in again and saw the banner.
Then the disappointment sunk in.
Defeats the fun part of breaking Beyblades into their parts, like in Plastic Gen.
Breaking plastics? Well, at least you have something to let of your frustrations with, just launch a plastic into one of these and feel powerful haha!
I was kinda referring to the anime, and with friends.
The distress on their faces.
Then again, we'll have to wait.
I just hope it doesn't become super heavy metal again.
(Apr. 22, 2015 7:17 PM)Neo Wrote: [ -> ] (Apr. 19, 2015 12:47 PM)J.I.N.B.E.E! Wrote: [ -> ] (Apr. 19, 2015 7:34 AM)Neo Wrote: [ -> ]This is a terrible idea.
I was like "awesome" when I finally logged in again and saw the banner.
Then the disappointment sunk in.
Defeats the fun part of breaking Beyblades into their parts, like in Plastic Gen.
Breaking plastics? Well, at least you have something to let of your frustrations with, just launch a plastic into one of these and feel powerful haha!
I was kinda referring to the anime, and with friends.
The distress on their faces.
Then again, we'll have to wait.
I just hope it doesn't become super heavy metal again.
Yeah, major problem when it went from Plastic to HMS.
(Apr. 22, 2015 5:41 PM)MissingNo. Wrote: [ -> ]This girl's voice is a pure torture. I can't even concentrate on the video, it's horrible. BAYBRADE.
Beyblade in Japanese is "beibureedo", and the L and R sound are interchangeable in Japanese, so not surprising she would pronounce it is Beybrade. Your comment is rude.
Also, there's no indication she's dressed as a character from the anime. You guys are letting your imaginations run a little too wild.
(Apr. 22, 2015 7:57 PM)Bey Brad Wrote: [ -> ]Beyblade in Japanese is "beibureedo"
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Wat...
I think you guys are looking a little too far into the video. Just because she was wearing cosplay does not mean that it is for a character of the anime
which is still very early in development. And cosplay, at least by the Japanese definition, isn't solely anime costumes. She could just be wearing something weird for the hell of it.