Gargole and Bahamdia both have similar shapes and Gargole's shape fits in quite well with Bahamdia's shape in my opinion. Gryph may not reveal Bahamdia's contact points as well as Ifraid but since it has a small diameter and it is so compact. It's may not be horrendous but slightly flawed in terms of performance. Which chrome wheel do you think is the best on Bahamdia?
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I think Gryph in attack combination should be used with Pegasus. these both chrome wheel work especially well from what I,ve tested yet. for bahamdia i agree with paired with Ifraid or Dragoon or Gargoyle.
I think they've been tested together, but weren't as good as Wyvang^2 or Balro^2.
for sure but it'S viable for competitive purpose if Wyvang or Balro is missing. Like at montreal when we do a tournament we are may be 2 having Wyvang and balro on 15 bladers. so i think it's important to have other choice with competitive value.
I simply don't knw if that's good, it need testing.
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Pegasis Gryph has actually been tested (and it's quite impressive, I might add - not top-tier worthy IMO, but certainly a decent substitute for Wyvang or Balro if Bahamdia Dragooon isn't available).
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personnaly I used MSF-H Pegasus Gryph W105MF and it work well in many case. what have been already tested for Pegasis gryph?!
Did anyone tried or ever seen a combo using F230RDF in a Standard tournament ? I tried Death Cancer F230RDF and it shown really good LAD and good defensives capacities. I asked to Shido, but he's not answering.
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could be interesting setup. when I got a good F230 I should try this ^^
(Nov. 13, 2014 1:46 PM)|BeyBouncer| Wrote: Did anyone tried or ever seen a combo using F230RDF in a Standard tournament ? I tried Death Cancer F230RDF and it shown really good LAD and good defensives capacities. I asked to Shido, but he's not answering.
Woops, sorry for not getting back to you, my apologies, dude!
Anyways, on the topic of F230RDF, Wombat made a thread relating to MF-L Duo Cancer F230RDF and seem to have taken a liking to it. Despite that however, while yes it pulled off quite good results against Balro Balro BD145MF, it's results of mine really only hovered around the fifty-percent win rate spot. Of course, like Duo 230 variants, Left Spin and generally other stamina variants can kill it. It's still something we should look into further, though.
On another note, where do you think we should stand on the whole Dragoon BD145GF thing, community? I'd say that if Killerken Dragoon D125GF can be on the Potential Top-Tier/Tests Needed list as a spin equalizer, the step up from it, Killerken Dragoon BD145GF, can, too. I'll try to get more tests of mine up when I get home from school later today.
@[loyd87] : Regardless of whether your F230 works good or not, it shouldn't matter in a scenario like this, as it doesn't rely on either CF nor GCF to give it assistance.
(Nov. 13, 2014 1:46 PM)|BeyBouncer| Wrote: Did anyone tried or ever seen a combo using F230RDF in a Standard tournament ? I tried Death Cancer F230RDF and it shown really good LAD and good defensives capacities. I asked to Shido, but he's not answering.What makes F230 a better choice on RDF than E230, or even 230 for that matter?
I'll have to test that set-up against E230 RDF and see how that matches up, since E230 is more defensive and, in my opinion, more stable.
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less more stamina probably. it'S just not working in the same way. finnaly something that we cannot need Orange F230 from TT to get some descent results.
I tested it with my TT Orange F230 and it reduce it's stamina if we compare it to 230. F230 is obviously best when paired with CF/GCF.
Is there anything wrong with using complete beys in battles and tournaments ? Idk but I just think it's a bit wired but I also love using cosmic pegasis and fang Leon and l drago destuctor and all the completes
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(Dec. 01, 2014 4:37 AM)Carterblader14 Wrote: Is there anything wrong with using complete beys in battles and tournaments ? Idk but I just think it's a bit wired but I also love using cosmic pegasis and fang Leon and l drago destuctor and all the completes
The only bad thing is that you'll probably lose
(Dec. 01, 2014 1:40 PM)|BeyBouncer| Wrote:(Dec. 01, 2014 4:37 AM)Carterblader14 Wrote: Is there anything wrong with using complete beys in battles and tournaments ? Idk but I just think it's a bit wired but I also love using cosmic pegasis and fang Leon and l drago destuctor and all the completes
The only bad thing is that you'll probably lose
That was uncalled for. Though none of those beys are competitive, he may win. It is not good to just generalize, because that came out as rude, at least to me.
That was not rude at all, and I say "You will probably lose", it mean that there's a winning possibility with an uncostumized beyblade. Now let's stop the off-topicness.
TheBlackDragon Wrote:Come on guys! You're killing me here, haha. Let's get this thing rolling!
I'd say the list is definitely fine. In terms defense, like I mentioned in the Defense Reformation thread, I like the list an most of your changes TBD, especially RF-based defense being up there once again; like those things are good, they seem to do the job pretty successfully. Not too sure if anyone had any tournament experience with them, though.
TheBlackDragon Wrote:It's possible; I wouldn't be opposed to it (although I'd have to do some more testing myself before giving any sort of opinion). They seem successful enough in tournaments and formal testing.
In terms of them being successful in tournaments, them doing well against stamina is what should matter most, in my opinion, seeing as they're supposed to be spin equalizers, after all.
By the way, @[Time], you were saying Sniper was in love with either Genbull Dragoon LW105GF or Dragoon BD145GF. Has he had any tournament success with it; what was he successful against using either one?
TheBlackDragon Wrote:EDIT: Oh wait, didn't Meow! do some testing with Dragooon D125GF sometime in the past? Like back in 2013?
http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-Finding-...pid1238204
Here's a link to a list I made with all the testings with Dragoon GF testings, there are a couple of Dragoon D125GF ones in there. Meow made some video with it, too.
Oh, a link; awesome. Thanks!
@[TheBlackDragon] I believe that Dragooon BD145 GF should definitely go on the tier list at this point. I feel as there is enough testing and enough tournament success with the combination that it should be easily placed on the tier list. I can't say the same for other Dragooon GF combos. I feel those combos do have some testing, but I feel like it is lacking the tournament usage. I say we hold off on that for a little while. Just my opinion.
I personally always preferred lower tracks when I paired Dragooon on GF (and believe me I tried everything when I first got it). BD145 scraped so violently when I used it. Yes I knew how to launch it, before you ask. I liked CH120 quite a bit.
Wombat Wrote:I just know it was tough to get the launch down, I almost lost to Grand Ketos E230RS with it just because I self KOd twice. I bet Honey's got a good idea of how strong and what angle to launch it because it's so similar to Bahamdia Dragooon BD145GF, so maybe he could do tests?
Just to confirm before anything else, self KO'd, as in it leaving the stadium without any contact, not because of recoil? I honestly doubt that's the case, but it'd be pretty odd if so.
I seem to have the launch down, but I think one of the main differences between MSF-H Bahamdia Dragooon BD145GF and MSF-H Bahamdia Dragooon SP230GF is that not much contact with Dragooon is made, which is always necessary, in my opinion. SP230 is kind of unbalanced, too, so at the end of the matches against stamina where they're really close, unlike BD145 which can't really go off-balance of GF, it goes down fast.
Here are some testings like asked for, as well. Hope these help, @[Wombat] !
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Tri Wrote:I personally always preferred lower tracks when I paired Dragooon on GF (and believe me I tried everything when I first got it). BD145 scraped so violently when I used it. Yes I knew how to launch it, before you ask.
I never really seemed to have any scraping problems. BD145 plays a pretty big role in Dragooon-based spin-equalizers, too, so I'd rather not eliminate it's chances from possibly being on the tier-list just because of that.
Kaneki Wrote:believe that Dragooon BD145 GF should definitely go on the tier list at this point. I feel as there is enough testing and enough tournament success with the combination that it should be easily placed on the tier list. I can't say the same for other Dragooon GF combos. I feel those combos do have some testing, but I feel like it is lacking the tournament usage. I say we hold off on that for a little while. Just my opinion.
Yeah, I agree; if it's anything that should be up there as a spin-equalizer, it's Dragooon BD145GF. We have way more than enough testings on it. I think the downside, though, is that we don't have much tournament experience with them against defense and especially stamina; that's what should matter most. Like, out of the multiple times I've used one in battle, one of them was against right-spin stamina. Another downside is that they're not so so great against Duo-based stamina, which kind of sucks.
So, with that, guys, if you ever had any tournament experience with Dragoon BD145GF, definitely post about it here and whether you had sucess with it or not: http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-STD-Drag...ist-Worthy
(Feb. 07, 2015 2:45 PM)Honey Wrote:Yes... GO FOR THE GF (sorry if that came out wrong, but you're getting my message right)?Wombat Wrote:Spoiler (Click to View)Spoiler (Click to View)Tests (Click to View)
Tri Wrote:I personally always preferred lower tracks when I paired Dragooon on GF (and believe me I tried everything when I first got it). BD145 scraped so violently when I used it. Yes I knew how to launch it, before you ask.
I never really seemed to have any scraping problems. BD145 plays a pretty big role in Dragooon-based spin-equalizers, too, so I'd rather not eliminate it's chances from possibly being on the tier-list just because of that.
Kaneki Wrote:believe that Dragooon BD145 GF should definitely go on the tier list at this point. I feel as there is enough testing and enough tournament success with the combination that it should be easily placed on the tier list. I can't say the same for other Dragooon GF combos. I feel those combos do have some testing, but I feel like it is lacking the tournament usage. I say we hold off on that for a little while. Just my opinion.
Yeah, I agree; if it's anything that should be up there as a spin-equalizer, it's Dragooon BD145GF. We have way more than enough testings on it. I think the downside, though, is that we don't have much tournament experience with them against defense and especially stamina; that's what should matter most. Like, out of the multiple times I've used one in battle, one of them was against right-spin stamina. Another downside is that they're not so so great against Duo-based stamina, which kind of sucks.
So, with that, guys, if you ever had any tournament experience with Dragoon BD145GF, definitely post about it here and whether you had sucess with it or not: http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-STD-Drag...ist-Worthy
Did you correctly launch your Bahamida Dragooon?