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Sep. 29, 2013  3:02 AM
 
(Sep. 29, 2013  2:38 AM)Wombat Wrote: While we're on the topic of D-series bottoms, can we please PLEASE PLEASE kick SD? No one ever uses it in tournaments anymore. Tests have proven D is superior on TH170+ heights, and WD, EWD, and BWD have proven better on 145- heights. Ingulit's testing proved PD works best on 160 with D as a close second, but not many people own PD so it's not too common of a setup. W2D and EWD are used on SA165 and all Dragooon Spin-Equalizers.

It's basically like Aquario. It still works, but in every situation there's another, equally-if-not-more common part that performs better. And in the Advanced thread, people have been talking about kicking Aquario.

I agree 100%.

Also, if this hasn't already been spoken about, I feel like Phantom ____ 230 D/SD shouldn't be on the Tier list. It loses to any synchrom attacker, and loses to Stamina types as well. I hate this combo.
Sep. 29, 2013  3:26 AM
 
If anything, take off Phantom W145 WD.

230 IMO is the best height for straight up stamina, because it actually outspin a everything it should. I think Phantom 230 D is good, although I will say my favorite straight up stamina type is MF-M Duo Cancer 230 MB.

SD should go.
Sep. 29, 2013  3:31 AM
 
SD is absolutely amazing. I don't know where you got that from... SD trashes D on EVERYTHING same-spin. There's just no possible way it's gonna leave the list... no way, just no. :\
Sep. 29, 2013  3:32 AM
 
what about Duo W145WD? oh and I totally agree about SD D really does it's job more efficiently but I have to agree with LMAO on Phantom 230D (oh yay I'm the ryme master) it just isn't that effective anymore any attack combo could easily KO it BGrin would OS witout breaking a sweat and any synchrome would just outight kill it
Sep. 29, 2013  3:38 AM
 
Duo W145WD/BWD still is an amazing combo.

Phantom W145WD is alright, but Duo just does a better job than it, in my opinion.

Lazer, exactly! I actually feel like the combo isn't as good as it used to be, and again, Duo 230D does a much better job.
Sep. 29, 2013  3:41 AM
 
From my testing, Phantom goes with W145WD better than Duo.
Sep. 29, 2013  3:45 AM
 
@LMAO/Lazer: No... it doesn't. :\ SD stomps all over D. It's happened during tournaments, during formal testing, everything! It's even on Beywiki! Duo 230SD is a monster. Just Pruebame Wink.
Sep. 29, 2013  3:49 AM
 
I think phantom ____ 230wd should be on the list not phantom __ 230 d or sd they are just to unbalanced on 230
Sep. 29, 2013  3:50 AM
 
I never said that Duo 230SD wasn't better then Duo 230D, some people like it better than others.

I feel like more testing should be done for comparisons of D and SD.

@theblackdragon, aha, you must love SD! You're so confident about it!

dragon KING, Phantom 230WD has horrible balance. 230WD in general has horrible balance.
Sep. 29, 2013  3:52 AM
 
(Sep. 29, 2013  3:31 AM)theblackdragon Wrote: SD is absolutely amazing. I don't know where you got that from... SD trashes D on EVERYTHING same-spin. There's just no possible way it's gonna leave the list... no way, just no. :\

Personally I never liked SD. I always preferred PD/D. I always got better results with 230 D then I did with 230 SD.

And as far as Phantom W145 WD, I don't see a problem with it being on the list. W145 WD is a standard Stamina setup. Unless someone has tests to show its outclassed.
Sep. 29, 2013  3:55 AM
 
(Sep. 29, 2013  3:52 AM)Dark_Mousy Wrote:
(Sep. 29, 2013  3:31 AM)theblackdragon Wrote: SD is absolutely amazing. I don't know where you got that from... SD trashes D on EVERYTHING same-spin. There's just no possible way it's gonna leave the list... no way, just no. :\

Personally I never liked SD. I always preferred PD/D. I always got better results with 230 D then I did with 230 SD.

And as far as Phantom W145 WD, I don't see a problem with it being on the list. W145 WD is a standard Stamina setup. Unless someone has tests to show its outclassed.

I shall have tests up soon against Phantom W145WD.

PD > SD
Sep. 29, 2013  3:58 AM
 
(Sep. 29, 2013  3:50 AM)LMAO Wrote: I never said that Duo 230SD wasn't better then Duo 230D, some people like it better than others.

I feel like more testing should be done for comparisons of D and SD.

@theblackdragon, aha, you must love SD! You're so confident about it!

dragon KING, Phantom 230WD has horrible balance. 230WD in general has horrible balance.
With most 230 d/sd combos it only takes a couple of hits before it topples over
Sep. 29, 2013  4:09 AM
 
That is not true. 230D/SD actually takes hits better than 230WD.
Sep. 29, 2013  4:11 AM
 
Er, 230WD is the one that topples after a few hits...
It precesses far too easily. D is far superior to WD on 230.
Sep. 29, 2013  3:42 PM
 
I think this needs to be stated about PD this list has nothing to do with availability getting 2 genbulls or 2 Wyvangs can easily end up with you being broke. Anyway if theres any valid sveral hour long testing on Pointless Defence/polish defence by several mebers with bad backs (due to all the testing) and it's worthy of being on the list then we need to put it on there this is about the best of the best not the availablility Serious and if not then don't and about SD why don't we just put D and SD for those combo's as a comprmise Smile
Sep. 29, 2013  3:56 PM
 
Well, SD/D doesn't work as good as PD, an we want the best for our tier list. As for the lack of testing, I can do it(now time to actually find my PD).
Sep. 29, 2013  7:36 PM
 
thanks @Shining God MS you understand that this list is about the best not part availibility we already have a thread for that... oh and I think theres a PD thread so post the results there Smile
Sep. 29, 2013  7:45 PM
 
Lazer: I didn't say we should kick D... that's absurd. XD I'm just saying that there is no conceivable reason to remove SD.
Sep. 29, 2013  8:11 PM
 
Wait, that's what he was talking about? I was talking about PD being better on 160 than D/SD XD. It's absurd to remove D. It's amazing! Also, for the combo Phantom(Attack) Cygnus 85MF, I wonder how XF would work? More Tornado Stalling and more aggressiveness and speed. In my testing, XF works pretty well.
Sep. 29, 2013  8:14 PM
 
It doesn't really have as much stamina as mf, but I think it would be smarter to go with cf. See if Cake has tests, I do beleieve he uses that combo.
Sep. 29, 2013  8:17 PM
 
Yes, that's a little bit of a downside, but in my testing, it works.
Sep. 29, 2013  8:19 PM
 
no I wasn't saying kick D that's crazy XD I was talking about PD... unless we have valid test results on PD showing it's good we can't put it on the list and I was saying that the fact that PD isn't easy to obtain has nothing to do with the purpose of this list Serious obtaining 2 genbulls isn't easy...
Sep. 29, 2013  8:23 PM
 
Gah, I think I might have confused you guys a bit.
What I mean is:

170+ heights: D > SD/PD > WD
165: EWD and W2D for Spin Equalizers/generic Stamina types, maybe BWD
160: PD > D > SD > WD
145- heights: WD/EWD/BWD > PD/SD > D

PD isn't always better than D. It works well pretty much anywhere, but 160 is where it's best. SD isn't the best for any of those; similarly to Aquario, it still works but there are better and equally/more common choices for every situation.

EDIT: Ingulit did tests on PD here.
EDIT2: You can get PD for like 8 bucks, I just checked. It's just not as well known as Genbull.
Sep. 29, 2013  8:23 PM
 
We do have tests proving PD's amazing stamina here: http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-Duo-Cygnus-160PD
Sep. 29, 2013  8:25 PM
 
Sorry, I don't have tests, not official ones, anyways.

The main reason I don't use GCF/XF is that, with those tips, you can't launch at full power without the danger of skipping the Tornado Ridge; with MF, you can launch as hard as you want. CF/WF requires a slight power reduction, but not very much, which I think is outweighed by the increased LAD over MF anyways.
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