Ah, true. D125 worked the same for me, I've told you that.

Me being bias would be only wanting CH120.. I think that D125 is just fine too. (S130 would be cool) Just bad memory.

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CH120 hasn't done as well in some of the tests, though. That said, it can use 145 height so the versatility would compensate for it, even if you refute that being useful.

You have repeated your love for H145 and CH120 to me enough times for me to raise an eyebrow when they're the only two tracks you list.

By the way, just a reminder of what needs testing, everyone:

Really really wanna get a range of tracks tested by a number of people. We know Flash is a top tier attack wheel but we can't put it up in the competitive combo's list until we know what tracks to put on there...

So yeah, anyone who can, tests of 105/W105/DF105 (LW too but I don't see it working quite as well), CH120, D125/T125, 130/S130/WA130, 135, H145 and GB145, whichever of those you can, would be much appreciated, all against the same opponent so we can figure out what's best. That's just my shortlist based on Brood's huge load of tests, that seems to be the sweet spot against BD145 at least.
It'd also be good to see what the lower ones (mainly everything below 145 other than CH120 which can change) do against MF-H (Defense Wheel+CW) TH220/230RDF. Duo would be really nice (quite fond of that combo for it) but whatever you can, really.

Just noticing people complaining about it not being up/asking if flash isn't good because it's not there, so I'd like to get this sorted.

Some CW tests would also be interesting, but unless something really stands out, it's not a big thing. Quetzalcoatl and Escolpio compared to Sagittario2 vs taller opponents, on a track where the cw's make some contact (D125/S130 perhaps).

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I find that any form of Clear Wheel attack is plain suicide.

It seems safe to say low tracks are not Flash's thing.

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We still need more tests for 105, the only set we had was promising.

As for CW attack, it's not the best but consider it a "bonus".

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So here's testing with DF105.Be warned, I am not exactly what you call great at using attack types.But here are my tests:
Flash Sagittario DF105 rf:5 wins(All KO)
Duo Aquario BD145 cs:15 wins(All outspin)
I think DF105 is to low for flash..
But we CERTAINLY need more tests with flash and DF105.....

Why Not Basalt Aquario 90WD VS Flash Aquario AD145WD? I wonder how good Flash will appose against a tank of a metal wheel, Basalt.

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Why Not Basalt Aquario 90WD VS Flash Aquario AD145WD? I wonder how good Flash will appose against a tank of a metal wheel, Basalt.

Test a combination that has proven to be bad versus one that is no longer top tier! GENIUS!

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So here's testing with DF105.Be warned, I am not exactly what you call great at using attack types.But here are my tests:
Flash Sagittario DF105 rf:5 wins(All KO)
Duo Aquario BD145 cs:15 wins(All outspin)
I think DF105 is to low for flash..
But we CERTAINLY need more tests with flash and DF105.....

Could you do comparatives with something we know works like D125/S130/H145?
Or even with a better known attack combination with another attack wheel against the same defender. For the purpose of standardisation.

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Thing is right now, I'm pretty much teribble with Attack types.How are you launching flash? I can't get many wins against duo BD145cs.

You have double quoted Mr. th!nk

MF-H Flash Capricorne GB145RF vs. MF-H Duo Aquario BD145CS
RF is Near Mint
CS is Calm
Used Capricorne for teh LOLs (since I have no idea what is even close to the best.)

Flash: 19 Wins (19 KO, 0 OS)
Duo: 1 Wins (0 KO, 1 OS)
0 Draws
Flash Win Percentage: 95%
Duo had the most hilarious Wall save ever to get its only win XD

Benchmark Test:
MF-H Variares R145RF vs. MF-H Basalt Horogium BD145CS
Variares: 17 Wins (17 KO, 0 OS0
Basalt: 3 Wins (1 KO, 2 OS)

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Thing is right now, I'm pretty much teribble with Attack types.How are you launching flash? I can't get many wins against duo BD145cs.

I don't have my own flash right now, but doing comparative tests with something better known is standard practice and tells us what is a regular winrate for you, so we can account for ability.

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I can do some DF105 testing when I get home tomorrow (Im at a friend's).
K, I got home and here they are

MF-H Flash Capricorne DF105RF vs. MF-H Duo Aquario BD145CS
Standard Procedure
Same RF from last test, so kind of used, but still very much great
CS is calm
Used Capricorne for teh LOLs

Flash: 16 Wins (16 KO, 0 OS)
Duo: 4 Wins (1 KO, 3 OS)
1 Draw, Redone
Flash Win Percentage: 80%

Yeah..KaotiK's results don't seem very accurate to me...Flash loses were from times it couldn't get a OHKO-2HKO.

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MF-H Flash Capricorne GB145RF vs. MF-H Duo Aquario BD145CS

Flash: 19 Wins (19 KO, 0 OS)
Duo: 1 Wins (0 KO, 2 OS)
0 Draws
Flash Win Percentage: 95%

Unless I'm going blind, isn't it meant to be 0 KO and 1 OS? Anyway, good tests, hoping to contribute some of my own in about a week.

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Can someone test Flash Escolpio GB145R2F? I would, but my CS has suddenly gone spaztacular...

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[LTD] MF Jade Horogium 85RSF
[LTD] RB / RSF Attack
[LTD] Ronin Genbull (Crystal Up) 85RF
MF-H Phantom (Attack) Cancer 85RB
MSF-H Wyvang Ifraid GB145RF {Alternative to Wyvang^2 with more Upper Attack}
MSF-H Genbull Genbull 85RSF {Improved version of the above Phantom combo}
Balro Begirados 100RF {LTAC with both Upper Smash and regular Smash}
[LTD] MF-H Lightning L-Drago 85RB {more controllable Lightning LTAC}
[LTD] Burn Orion 105SF {Destabilizer}

Unless I'm going blind, isn't it meant to be 0 KO and 1 OS? Anyway, good tests, hoping to contribute some of my own in about a week.

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Thank you very much for pointing that out haha, my bad. Edited and corrected

Can someone test Flash Escolpio GB145R2F? I would, but my CS has suddenly gone spaztacular...

I believe it will be very much similar, if not exactly the same, as the results of the combination with RF. And in the post above yours are test results of that. RF>R2F or vise versa is really just about personal preference.

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Oh, whoops, I thought Escolpio might change the results a bit... I was having a dumb moment there, have had a lot of those lately. XD

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[LTD] MF Jade Horogium 85RSF
[LTD] RB / RSF Attack
[LTD] Ronin Genbull (Crystal Up) 85RF
MF-H Phantom (Attack) Cancer 85RB
MSF-H Wyvang Ifraid GB145RF {Alternative to Wyvang^2 with more Upper Attack}
MSF-H Genbull Genbull 85RSF {Improved version of the above Phantom combo}
Balro Begirados 100RF {LTAC with both Upper Smash and regular Smash}
[LTD] MF-H Lightning L-Drago 85RB {more controllable Lightning LTAC}
[LTD] Burn Orion 105SF {Destabilizer}

MF Flash Sagittario 85RF vs. MF-H Basalt Aquario BD145RSF
MF Flash Sagittario 85RF
6 ko
0 os

MF-H Basalt Aquario BD145RSF
6 ko
8 os

2 Re-Draws

MF Flash Sagittario 90RF vs. MF-H Basalt Aquario BD145RSF
MF Flash Sagittario 90RF
3 ko
0 os

MF-H Basalt Aquario BD145RSF
2 ko
6 os

0 Re-Draws

Yeah I just stopped with 90 at 10, they were nearly as bad as 85. To get a KO with those LTACs you have to bank really hard and have some serious precision to get that KO which is most likely gonna be a OHKO.
Sorry I haven't got the 105 tests.

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My Flash got here Friday. I can do some tests on DF105, S130, and/or D125. Keep in mind, though, that I'm wanting to keep my Flash in decent condition for tournaments, haha.

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I think that some DF105 testing would be greatly appreciated to compare with my results.

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Hmm, cool. Looks like flash sucks eggs on 85 and 90 and it absolutely pwns on gb145, I hate to state the obvious, but I am kinda surprised! Awesome results and testing guys, I might be allowed to get a flash in a month or 2, can't wait till then!

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I can do some DF105 testing when I get home tomorrow (Im at a friend's).
K, I got home and here they are

MF-H Flash Capricorne DF105RF vs. MF-H Duo Aquario BD145CS
Standard Procedure
Same RF from last test, so kind of used, but still very much great
CS is calm
Used Capricorne for teh LOLs

Flash: 16 Wins (16 KO, 0 OS)
Duo: 4 Wins (1 KO, 3 OS)
1 Draw, Redone
Flash Win Percentage: 80%

Yeah..KaotiK's results don't seem very accurate to me...Flash loses were from times it couldn't get a OHKO-2HKO.

Hm. Not as good as GB145, though, and GB145 would have the advantage against TH170 tracks (though TH195 is always troublesome for 145 heights).

AD145 tests would be interesting, especially AD145MF in anyone wants to?

Testing with 135 would also be interesting.
Primal: Could you do S130 tests, and any 105 track, if that's not too much.
I think D125 is probably a shoe-in at this point.


What I'm leaning towards:

MF/MF-H Flash (CW's Undecided. May default to Sagittario 2, but Quetz and Escolpio would be worth considering especially on lower tracks)

105/CH120/125/130/GB145/H145 RF/MF

With perhaps a note that any gimmicked versions of the height-only tracks will also work adequately (though LW105 is probably questionable), otherwise we get this mess:

MF/MF-H Flash Saggitario/Quetzalcoatl/Escolpio 105/W105/DF105/CH120/125/D125/T125/130/S130/W130/GB145/H145 MF/RF

As well as perhaps 135 and AD145, I mean jeez.


Flash is just too good to narrow down track wise, honestly, almost any track from 105-145 is competitively as long as it doesn't have poor synergy (R145, BD145)...

I would be interested in hearing what other Advanced members were thinking about it, but I don't know if it's worth double posting over there to ask...

Heck, those of you that have tested it a fair bit in this thread (say, tested a few different setups for us), I'd be interested in your thoughts on the optimum tracks, just make sure to explain your choices as thoroughly as possible.

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My MF got chipped by my sister when she launched my Screw Capricorne from the attic window onto the concrete...yeah...second day that I had gotten it too..
But I will do some RF testing to compare to the MF if somebody else decides to do it

MF-H Flash Capricorne AD145RF vs. MF-H Duo Aquario BD145CS
Standard Procedure
CS is calm
RF is same from past two tests and I only use it for testing
Still using Capricorne for teh LOLerificness

Flash: 17 Wins (17 KO, 0 OS)
Duo: 3 Wins (0 KO, 3 OS)
0 Draws
Flash Win Percentage: 85%

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Quite respectable. Not as good as GB145 though, so I still want MF tests when someone wants to do it. And thanks for that :3

Are you using an MF-H on the Duo combo, by the way?

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Edited and corrected, for some reason, that's like my most common mistake when posting test results
Here are some S130 test results

MF-H Flash Capricorne S130RF vs. MF-H Duo Aquario BD145CS
Standard Procedure
Same stuff as last test..

Flash: 18 Wins (18 KO, 0 OS)
Duo: 2 Wins (0 KO, 2 OS)
0 Draws
Flash Win Percentage: 90%

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MF-H Flash Sagittario S130R²F vs MF-H Duo Cygnus BD145RB
Standard Procedure
Duo straight shot, Flash slide shot
RB calm, R²F in decent condition

Flash: 17 wins (17 KO)
Duo: 3 wins (3 OS)
1 draw
Flash win %: 85%

God this thing is a monster.

Also, benchmark testing:

MF-H VariAres R145R²F (Right) vs MF-H Basalt Cygnus BD145RB
Same as Flash testing

Vari: 19 wins (19 KO)
Basalt: 1 win (1 OS)
Vari win %: 95%

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MF-H Flash Sagittario S130R²F vs MF-H Duo Cygnus BD145RB
Standard Procedure
Duo straight shot, Flash slide shot
RB calm, R²F in decent condition

Flash: 18 wins (18 KO)
Duo 2 wins (2 OS)
1 draw
Flash win %: 85%

God this thing is a god.

Fixed two of your mistakes

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