[Product]  B-127 Starter Cho-Z Valkyrie.Z.Ev

(Jan. 02, 2019  8:28 AM)AlbertDBPS Wrote: one is definitely Cho z Spriggan

who else wishes that there will be a evolution of geist fafnir

I think you're in the wrong thread.
The only bummer to this release is the lack of an actually good Launcher as well as the single Burst-stopping nub. The rest of it is awesome
My thoughts on this product:

Layer (ChoV) - Burst stopper wings may be hard to deploy initially, such that even strong players would have trouble activating it. However it’s really tough to burst once the wings are activated, allowing it to be used with drivers like Bearing without worry of self-burst(if you’re able to consistently deploy the wings).

It’s edges are aggressive, giving it good potential to KO or burst opponents. However, it’s not as pronounced as ChoA’s edges, leading it to have less attack potential comparatively.

It has decent stamina because of its wide, roundish shape. This allows it to be able to outspin certain matchups on Bearing.

Overall, it has good potential as a Bearing Attacker. However, ChoA is a really close competitor for that spot - it has better attack, but is also more suspect ivle to self-burst.

Disk (Zenith) - Really unconventional disk. It’s not heavy, hampering it’s attack potential. It has protruding rubber edges, which allow it to burst opponents at a certain angle due to the rubber’s grip.

It also allows for better spin-stealing from its rubber edges. However, the rubber edges kill any LAD potential, making spin-steal pointless.

Overall, an average disk for attack. Might find a niche with more experimenting.

Driver (Evolution) - Basically a taller Variable with a smaller surface contact diameter. When worn, it seems to behave really crazily, just like Variable. Likewise, its insanely hard to control as it tends to lose the flower pattern and skirt around the tornado ridge even with a good launch. There are better, more controllable rubber attack drivers like X’ and H’, so its hard to recommend this for competitive use.

Launcher (Proto-Launcher) - Don’t even talk about it…
(Jan. 04, 2019  7:11 AM)KingSpin Wrote: My thoughts on this product:

Layer (ChoV) - Burst stopper wings may be hard to deploy initially, such that even strong players would have trouble activating it. However it’s really tough to burst once the wings are activated, allowing it to be used with drivers like Bearing without worry of self-burst(if you’re able to consistently deploy the wings).

It’s edges are aggressive, giving it good potential to KO or burst opponents. However, it’s not as pronounced as ChoA’s edges, leading it to have less attack potential comparatively.

It has decent stamina because of its wide, roundish shape. This allows it to be able to outspin certain matchups on Bearing.

Overall, it has good potential as a Bearing Attacker. However, ChoA is a really close competitor for that spot - it has better attack, but is also more suspect ivle to self-burst.

Disk (Zenith) - Really unconventional disk. It’s not heavy, hampering it’s attack potential. It has protruding rubber edges, which allow it to burst opponents at a certain angle due to the rubber’s grip.

It also allows for better spin-stealing from its rubber edges. However, the rubber edges kill any LAD potential, making spin-steal pointless.

Overall, an average disk for attack. Might find a niche with more experimenting.

Driver (Evolution) - Basically a taller Variable with a smaller surface contact diameter. When worn, it seems to behave really crazily, just like Variable. Likewise, its insanely hard to control as it tends to lose the flower pattern and skirt around the tornado ridge even with a good launch. There are better, more controllable rubber attack drivers like X’ and H’, so its hard to recommend this for competitive use.

Launcher (Proto-Launcher) - Don’t even talk about it…

Zenith is 24 grams, it is not light
(Jan. 04, 2019  9:35 AM)BeyCrafter Wrote:
(Jan. 04, 2019  7:11 AM)KingSpin Wrote: It’s not heavy

Zenith is 24 grams, it is not light

24 grams is still lighter than 27.27g (24g from 0, 3.27 from Bump) or 28.17g (24.9g from 00, 3.27 from Bump).

I never said Zenith was light. Just that there were better, heavier disk+frame combos in comparison.
(Jan. 04, 2019  10:41 AM)KingSpin Wrote:
(Jan. 04, 2019  9:35 AM)BeyCrafter Wrote: Zenith is 24 grams, it is not light

24 grams is still lighter than 27.27g (24g from 0, 3.27 from Bump) or 28.17g (24.9g from 00,  3.27 from Bump).

I never said Zenith was light. Just that there were better, heavier disk+frame combos in comparison.
But , you must agree thst it is the heaviest FANCY Disk ( like magnum , etc )
Z may be fancy, but the viability sucks hard. Only good for aesthetics and possibly spin equalization
(Jan. 05, 2019  1:15 AM)Rouzuke Wrote: Z may be fancy, but the viability sucks hard. Only good for aesthetics and possibly spin equalization

Basically a niche adaptation of Triple IMO but that's true.
(Jan. 05, 2019  2:46 AM)Dragunix Wrote:
(Jan. 05, 2019  1:15 AM)Rouzuke Wrote: Z may be fancy, but the viability sucks hard. Only good for aesthetics and possibly spin equalization

Basically a niche adaptation of Triple IMO but that's true.

I actually didn't realize that ahahaha it works probably with all 3-pointed Layers aesthetically, but the tiny rubber portions kill its stamina for LAD (but hey, Triple and Vortex don't have much LAD anyways, so Z is the ChouZ variant of both as no new Disk or Frame was introduced with the debut of the predecessor).