I was in no way insulting his metagame, I was reminding him that India's metagame is far behind compared to others.

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Tournaments I've Attended (Click to View)

4/29/12: The Spring Sortie (BB-10)
7/22/12: The Triple Threat (MFB+Plastics+HMS formats)
9/23/12: Autumn's Assault (Zero G)
October 2012: October Achtung (Zero G) (placed second)
12/15/12: Holiday Havoc! (Zero-G)
2/24/13: Paper vs. Plastic (Zero-G+Plastic Formats)
4/21/13: BR Maryland Qualifier (Zero-G)
5/26/12: BeyDays 2013! (BB-10) (placed first)
7/14/13: Heated Metal Plastic-y Madness! (HMS + Plastics) (placed third in HMS)
7/20/13: The Bey Brawl! (BB-10)
9/28/13 "OK, alright, mirai~!" (BB-10) (placed second)
12/15/13 No Limit Holdem'! (Zero-G, Limited)
1/19/14 Happy Gnu Year! (Zero-G)
2/23/14 Better Late Than Never! (Limited, Plastics, which I got 3rd in)
3/29/14 GBT2 North Carolina Qualfier (Limited, got 4th)
3/30/14 GBT2 Maryland Qualifier (Limited)
6/8/14 A Prehistoric Venture (Limited, HMS, placed first in HMS)
6/21/14 A Timely Farewell (Standard, Tag-Team (not official format), Zero-G, placed first in tag-team and third in Zero-G)

My Testing Threads (All Zero-G) (Click to View)

Diablo Kerbecs E230CF
SB Discussion
Q Discussion
MB Discussion
RS Discussion
BWD Discussion
MF-H Gravity Perseus BD145 RDF
MF-H Duo F230CF
F:S Discussion
SA165 Discussion

HMS Resources (Click to View)

HMS Question and Answer Thread
Competitive HMS Combos List
HMS Parts Discussion
HMS General Discussion

If that's true, you might want to be more careful of your tone and choice of words next time you are 'reminding' someone...

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Also, has anyone ever tested Phantom _______ 230 CS?
I used this to place 3rd at a tournament.
It easily outspins most stamina set-ups, and when against attack set-ups, it can outstand attacks if launched with less RPM.
I need your testing for confirmation though

okay, i tested the combo a bit. don't know much about the format so excuse me.
i used MF-H Phantom Cygnus 230CS

Face: without any face it isn't so good, tried all other MF setups and they all had the same stamina, but MF-H turned out better for defensive purposes and balance.

Clear Wheel: Cygnus because that's the best i got for phantom. Hades would do better.

VS. Attack (Click to View)

MF-H Phantom Cygnus 230CS vs MF-H Flash Scolpio CH120R2F
Flash banked, Phantom slightly banked and always launched first
MF-H Phantom Cygnus 230CS: 19/20 (19 OS)
MF-H Flash Scolpio CH145R2F: 01/20 (1 KO)
0 ties redone
Phantom Cygnus win rate: 95%

Phantom Cygnus was able to withstand all mid-low attacks like it was nothing. but strong attacks sent it flying, however most of the time it got wall save.
im sure the win rate would've been lower if my R2F had not been so worn down.
still, part of what made Phantom Cygnus take the hits was the difference in height.

VS. Defense (Click to View)

MF-H Phantom Cygnus 230CS vs Duo Aquario E230RSF (Upper mode)
Phantom Cygnus slightly banked so the CS wouldn't land on the rubber. Phantom Cygnus always launched first.
MF-H Phantom Cygnus 230CS: 20/20 (20 OS)
Duo Aquario E230RSF: 0/20
6 ties redone
Phantom Cygnus win rate: 100%

Phantom Cygnus out-spun Duo Aquario all the time, thought some of them were too close, and there were 6 ties. didnt used a MF on Duo because it wasnt needed

VS. Stamina (Click to View)

MF-H Phantom Cygnus 230CS vs MF-L Duo Cygnus AD145EWD
Duo Cygnus always launched first, Phantom Cygnus slightly banked to prevent CS from landing on the rubber.
MF-H Phantom Cygnus 230CS: 09/20 (9 OS)
MF-L Duo Cygnus AD145EWD: 11/20 (11 OS)
8 ties redone
Phantom Cygnus win rate: 45%

Phantom Cygnus kept pushing down Duo Cygnus by grinding on its CW which caused it to loose spin very quickly. some of the battles were too close and either Phantom Cygnus got saved by its balance, or Duo Cygnus got saved by its EWD. then again, Phantom Cygnus could've done better if it had Hades, and Duo Cygnus lost those 9 times mostly because of the difference in height. didn't had W145 sorry.

okay, this combo is good but to me its only that for now. its kinda wobblish, but not so much. someone should test it with Hades and im sure it needs more testing against tall stamina types, Flash on a primed R2F because mine was too worn down (still licit), Balance types like Duo Cygnus 230MB even thought im sure it would loose, and against spin equalizers. maybe changing the tip to a RSF would improve its performance but i don't know so ill test more tomorrow.

overall the combo is good BUT maybe not good enough to be top tier. as of now i would say its decent. IT NEEDS MORE TESTING. at least here in PR it could win 1st place since the metagame here is so behind that a stock earth eagle got third place a few months ago.

at least here in PR it could win 1st place since the metagame here is so behind that a stock earth eagle got third place a few months ago.

PRO EAGLE OUT

I need to see Flash benchmarks, and I question why you chose not to raise it to CH145 height -- the whole point of the CH120 track -- when you noticed it was losing due to height. There is a reason 230 and TH170 aren't on the top-tier list for defense anymore, and Phantom and CS aren't going to give 230 better results than a Synchrom on E230 against Flash in a tournament setting. I really think the Flash tests need redoing.

Phantom outspinning a defense combo is nothing to write home about, especially a Duo custom; like Meow! said, current Synchrom defenders would probably knock it out.

That is not a spectacular stamina type by any stretch of the imagination -- MF-L is unneeded on the recoil-less Duo, AD145 is barely outclassed, and EWD is much worse than WD IMO unless it's used against the opposite spin -- and it still won the majority of the time.

I dunno, the custom seems like it would have been decent before Flash came out, but the meta has only changed against its favor since then.

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4D Customs (Click to View)

• MF-L Phantom (Attack) Cygnus 85MF
  
• MF-H Scythe Uranus 85RS
  
• MF-H Flash Orion W145MF
  
• MF-H Basalt Horogium TR145R2F
  
• Duo Cygnus 160PD
  

MFB Customs (Click to View)

• MSF-H Reviser Dragooon SA165EWD
  
• MSF-H Bahamdia Ifraid SA165R2F
  
• MSF-H Wyvang Wyvang GB145R2F
  

at least here in PR it could win 1st place since the metagame here is so behind that a stock earth eagle got third place a few months ago.

PRO EAGLE OUT

Haha yes that's exactly the guy who did it.

I need to see Flash benchmarks, and I question why you chose not to raise it to CH145 height -- the whole point of the CH120 track -- when you noticed it was losing due to height. There is a reason 230 and TH170 aren't on the top-tier list for defense anymore, and Phantom and CS aren't going to give 230 better results than a Synchrom on E230 against Flash in a tournament setting. I really think the Flash tests need redoing.

Phantom outspinning a defense combo is nothing to write home about, especially a Duo custom; like Meow! said, current Synchrom defenders would probably knock it out.

That is not a spectacular stamina type by any stretch of the imagination -- MF-L is unneeded on the recoil-less Duo, AD145 is barely outclassed, and EWD is much worse than WD IMO unless it's used against the opposite spin -- and it still won the majority of the time.

I dunno, the custom seems like it would have been decent before Flash came out, but the meta has only changed against its favor since then.

Yes I agree. And also, CH120 was on 145 I just forgot to put it on the results. Flash had such a low win rate mostly because of the condition of my R2F. I will do more tests tomorrow since these were done in a rush.

Those Flash results are definitely weird.

Phantom outspinning a defense combo is nothing to write home about, especially a Duo custom; like Meow! said, current Synchrom defenders would probably knock it out.

They likely could, and it is those types of wins that are hard to record in a controlled setting when you're testing by yourself; there's no way to mimic how your opponent will launch their Beyblade when they see that you're using something that is so easily KOed.

I dunno, the custom seems like it would have been decent before Flash came out, but the meta has only changed against its favor since then.

230CS has always been risky because of how defenseless it is, but I do agree; it's only gotten worse with time. It was initially popular with Earth, then with Basalt once it was released. Even though it had better Stamina, it also had higher recoil, which made it even easier to KO. Phantom is in the same boat; it has better Stamina than Basalt, but it also has recoil, which only increases the likelihood of it being KOed. Although, I do suppose that the recoil may not be as huge of a problem now as it was when Basalt and Hell were ever-present. But still, there is far too many other problems with it now for that to matter.

Phantom 230CS is a decent combo, but against any experienced player these days (using up to date combos), you'll probably lose no matter what type of Beyblade they're using. That means it isn't competitive.

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Here's a fun discussion topic: should we prune the lists of clear wheels to only have the single best option for each wheel? I have my own opinions on which ones I think are best, but I want to hear what people think about this before I go into that.

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4D Customs (Click to View)

• MF-L Phantom (Attack) Cygnus 85MF
  
• MF-H Scythe Uranus 85RS
  
• MF-H Flash Orion W145MF
  
• MF-H Basalt Horogium TR145R2F
  
• Duo Cygnus 160PD
  

MFB Customs (Click to View)

• MSF-H Reviser Dragooon SA165EWD
  
• MSF-H Bahamdia Ifraid SA165R2F
  
• MSF-H Wyvang Wyvang GB145R2F
  

The thing is, though, that many Clear Wheels that are rare or from useless Beys remain untested, and if I could edit the top-tier list, I would hesitate to establish the "best" one.
Though it is clear that Duo Cygnus is better than Duo Gil, it is still almost impossible to test some of the closer Clear Wheels, because when you launch a Beyblade, there are many variables that affect its performance.
I think that bolding the best CW or something like that on the list while still keeping the other options is a nice compromise, since some people who are new to the hobby may want to see some alternatives, rather than only one Clear Wheel that works well with the Metal Wheel.
I don't foresee this being too much of an issue in the future anyways, since most of the top-tier customs are Synchroms, or don't have changable Clear Wheels. The only ones that will be affected by this clearing out the clear wheel section (intended) that I can think of are Phantom, Flash, and Duo. Diablo and Basalt as anti-attack are basically outclassed by any Synchrom, IIRC.

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Please keep in mind when reading my posts that I know little to nothing about the current metagame and Zero-G.

Another thing to mention, while unlikely, is we don't want newbies thinking,"Oh, I have to buy Rock Scorpio, otherwise my Flash combo isn't that good."

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So have there been any good comparisons/tests to decided which is better SR200 or 230? If not I could be willing to test that. The reason I thought about that is I was wondering "Which would be better for Duo in BB-10 Events SR200 or 230"?

So have there been any good comparisons/tests to decided which is better SR200 or 230? If not I could be willing to test that. The reason I thought about that is I was wondering "Which would be better for Duo in BB-10 Events SR200 or 230"?

Go for it, that'd be great info! As far as SR200 goes, SR200TB is a setup that both test results and my own experience have shown me is a very competitive stamina combo that IMO should go on the top-tier list. Beyond that, I've had success with MF-M Duo Cygnus SR200MB, but I haven't done any formal testing.

If test results back up what I've seen with SR200, I can very much see it on the top-tier list as the third tall stamina track.

Slightly off-topic, but I can also see TB going on the list for TH170 as well. Genbull Genbull TH170TB is kind of my absolute favorite stamina custom ever, and if school cooperates I'll get some formal tests of that up sometime soon.

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4D Customs (Click to View)

• MF-L Phantom (Attack) Cygnus 85MF
  
• MF-H Scythe Uranus 85RS
  
• MF-H Flash Orion W145MF
  
• MF-H Basalt Horogium TR145R2F
  
• Duo Cygnus 160PD
  

MFB Customs (Click to View)

• MSF-H Reviser Dragooon SA165EWD
  
• MSF-H Bahamdia Ifraid SA165R2F
  
• MSF-H Wyvang Wyvang GB145R2F
  

How about try Orojya Saramanda BD145CS for defense?

Any synchrom would be at least decent for defense purposes because of the weight. For defense, Revizer Revizer will be a better choice than Orojya Saramanda set up.

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So, it's been quite a long time since this has seen an update, and I think it's about time to start discussing the next iteration! I'll go on ahead a post a working list that I'd love critique on. If you think something should be listed that isn't, or you think one of the things I was thinking of adding shouldn't be there, speak your mind and let us know! Again, this is a working list, not a final one by any means!

This list is using the same categories as the last list, meaning spin-stealers are in Stamina and that kind of thing. I used numbers instead of the old bullets just to make writing the explanations a little easier. I also added (MSF-H) to any Synchrom customs that didn't have that in their original thread (except Genbull Genbull in stamina), so tell me if any should absolutely NOT use a MSF.

I want to put Meow!'s anti-meta custom Death Escolpio 90RF on here somewhere, but I have no clue where lol

Black - These customs stay the same as the last list.
Red - These customs would be removed from the last list.
Green - These customs would be added from the last list.
Blue - These are my comments on this working list.

ATTACK

Flash
Clear Wheels: Escolpio, Orion, Pisces, Beelzeb, Ionis

1. MF-H Flash ____ (CH120/S130/GB145/H145) (RF/R2F)
   
2. MF-H Flash ____ W145 MF

Explanations (Click to View)

1) Even in a world of Synchrom, Flash is still one of the great attack wheels in our metagame. The only changes I made were to add two clear wheels: Ionis, since its shape and weight distribution fit Flash well, and Beelzeb, which I am thoroughly convinced is the single best clear wheel for Flash available. All that said, now that Synchrom attackers have been discovered, Flash is standing on somewhat thinner ice, though I don't see it going down any time soon.

2) This Flash custom does have some of the best stamina of competitive right-spin attackers, and it's worth noting that Flash's stamina might be the main thing that keeps it on the competitive list.

VariAres

1. MF-H VariAres (CH120/R145) (RF/R2F/LRF)

Explanations (Click to View)

It's time to say goodbye to an old friend. This ol' guy barely held on to be on the last competitive list thanks to its dual-spin abilities, but in the aforementioned Synchrom meta it's just too light and too recoil-prone to be effective despite this single advantage. Thus, VariAres gets some much needed rest.

Wyvang

1. MSF-H Wyvang Wyvang (GB145/??145) (RF/R2F)
   
2. (MSF-H) Wyvang Dragooon SA165[Attack] R2F

Explanations (Click to View)

1: It's Wyvang Wyvang. Does it need more of an explanation, lol? It's got stadium-wall-shattering power (as I found out first hand), controllable recoil, and it works on just about any 145-height track (it needs more testing to find out which ones other than GB145). If you're a bey staring down this sucker, good luck staying in the stadium, haha! If you're an attack enthusiast, nabbing two Wyvangs or two Balros is an excellent idea.
Thread: http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-MSF-H-Wy...inHighwind

2: I absolutely love this custom. It's unique, it's fun, and it works. It's one of the best left-spin attackers in the meta IMO, and thus I'd say it's competitive.
Thread: http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-Wyvang-D...-SA165-R2F

Balro

1. (MSF-H) Balro Balro CH120 R2F

Explanations (Click to View)

Balro and Wyvang are, by the tests that I've seen, the current kings of right-spin attack. Balro is especially notable in this custom in how well it does against E230, which as of right now is probably the best overall defense track. This custom is in need of some more testing by more users, but the numbers that are there are seriously impressive.
Thread: http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-Balro-Balro-CH120R2F

Bahamdia

1. MSF-H Bahamdia Ifraid SA165 (RF/R2F)

Explanations (Click to View)

I'll take this opportunity to use awesome elementary-school language techniques: Bahamdia is to Wyvang/Balro as Blitz is to Flash. That is to say, this isn't in any way a BAD attacker, but Wyvang/Balro have more raw power. This has some niche advantages though (it's super heavy for whatever that is useful for, and it's got a very unique height for attackers), and it has rather competitive smash. Is that enough to justify a spot next to the two other resident right-spin Synchroms? Maybe, maybe not; that's what this thread is for! (Meow!, if you're reading this, I'd love to hear your opinion, haha!)

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DEFENSE

NOTE: SP230 (Click to View)

I erred on the side of caution and did not include SP230 on this list because I kept getting conflicting results from different users (and my own testing) as to whether or not it's actually good for defense. I also had no clue what tips are good on SP230 (if any).

Duo
Clear Wheels: Aquario, Bull, Cancer/Gasher, Cygnus, Hades

1. MF-H Duo ____ BD145 (RB/RDF)
   
2. MF-H Duo ____ E230 (RB/RS/RSF/RDF)

Explanations (Click to View)

Yep, Duo is hanging onto the competitive list like a rusty fishhook. I can totally see justification in taking this down in the face of Synchroms, but its stamina is reallllly nice and its shape is still phenomenal. I'd say Duo deserves another go on the list.

Scythe
Clear Wheels: Kronos, Uranus, Pisces

1. MF-H Scythe ____ 85 RS

Explanations (Click to View)

I had to do it. This custom does well against a large portion of the attack meta (larger now thanks to Synchrom attackers) despite its ridiculously light weight. This is about as much of a defense custom as a defense custom can be: it has pitiful stamina, it is weak to left-spin, but it's hard as heck to KO with modern attackers. This is very much an anti-meta custom, and in my opinion it is a very competitive one.
Thread: http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-MF-H-Scy...ed-6-12-12

Right-Spin Synchrom
TOP Chrome Wheels: Reviser, Killerken
BOT Chrome Wheels: Reviser, Killerken

1. MSF-H [BOT] [TOP] BD145 (CS/RB/RDF/RS)
   
2. MSF-H [BOT] [TOP] E230 (CS/RB/RS/RSF/RDF)

Explanations (Click to View)

The first thing I need to mention is that this format is just something I thought of off the top of my head, and if anyone can recommend something better please post it!

Now onto the content. This list is actually not that different from the previous one, except where the old one only contained Reviser, this one has room for any chrome wheel that's good in a defense Synchrom. While I did not have a left-spin counterpart, I named this section "Right-Spin Synchrom" to make the list more accepting of Dragooon-based defense types if some are notable (but missing).

Some chrome wheels I considered but require discussion: Genbull, Gargole, Dragooon (on bottom), Saramanda, Wyvang

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STAMINA

Phantom

1. Clear Wheels: Cancer/Gasher, Cygnus, Hades
   
2. Phantom ____ W145 (EWD/WD)
   
3. Phantom ____ TH170 (D/SD/TB)
   
4. Phantom ____ (LW160/160) PD
   
5. Phantom ____ SR200 TB
   
6. Phantom ____ 230 (D/SD)

Duo

1. Clear Wheels: Aquario, Cancer/Gasher, Cygnus
   
2. Duo ____ W145 (EWD/WD)
   
3. Duo ____ TH170 (D/SD/TB)
   
4. Duo ____ (LW160/160) PD
   
5. Duo ____ SR200 TB
   
6. Duo ____ 230 (D/SD)

Explanations (Click to View)

Duo and Phantom are both still dominant Stamina forces in the meta and likely will be for a long time to come. The only changes I made were to add two track/tip customs:

(LW160/160) PD:
This is based on my own testing and it works ridiculously well for me. However, there have been few other users who have backed up my results, so this might not be able to go on the list until that happens.
Thread: http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-Duo-Cygnus-160PD

TH170 TB:
SR200 TB:
KainHighwind first clued me into these setups, and I absolutely love both of them. TB is a strangely awesome stamina part on the right tracks, and it's definitely a competitive tip in my opinion. SR200 is also probably good with other standard tips, but TB is the main notable one.
Thread: http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-Genbull-...SR200TB-CS

Genbull

1. Genbull Genbull SR200 (TB/CS)
   
2. Genbull Genbull TH170 TB

Explanations (Click to View)

We finally have a competitive Synchrom stamina type!!

1. This was the original custom, and both TB and CS work well. CS is particularly noteworthy since it gives the custom a moderate level of defense as well.
Thread: http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-Genbull-...SR200TB-CS

2. This is just a variant that utilizes TH170, though now that I think about it, this might have only been tested informally... It's my current favorite stamina custom by a mile, but I don't remember if the results got posted or not. I'll try and find them, but until then, take this with a grain of salt.

Dragooon

1. MSF-H Reviser Dragooon SA165 (EWD/RDF)

Explanations (Click to View)

This custom is still kicking around as one of the dominant spin-stealers, but recently theblackdragon showed that RDF is a very competitive option as well. Originally I was going to put the RDF variant in Balance since its primary purpose is to add defense, but I figured it would be fine here.
Thread: http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-Reviser-...ormal-mode

Meteo L-Drago

1. (MF/-H) Meteo L-Drago CH120 EWD
   
2. MF-H Meteo L-Drago TR145 EWD

Explanations (Click to View)

Yet again, we have to say goodbye to an old friend. Now that Dragooon is very much a thing, we can't really say a sub-40g wheel is supposed to be as good as its Zero-G older brother anymore.

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BALANCE

1. MF-H L-Drago Destroy/Guardian BD145RDF
   -=-
   
2. (MF-H/MF-M) Duo (Cygnus/Cancer/Gasher) 230 MB
   -=-
   
3. MF-H Diablo (Kerbecs/Unicorno II) BD145 (RF/R2F)
   -=-
   
4. MF-H Basalt Horogium (R145/TR145) (RF/R2F)
   -=-
   
5. MF-L Phantom Cygnus 85MF
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6. MSF-H Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF
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7. MSF(-H) Gryph Gryph E230BSF
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8. MSF-H Bahamdia Dragooon SP230GF

Explanations (Click to View)

1) This custom needs to be taken off simply because it has been heavily outclassed by much heavier (and more effective) Dragooon variants.

2) This is still a phenomenal custom, but its weakness to left-spin is really starting to hurt in this meta. That said, this custom will likely stay competitive for a long while.

3) Diablo continues to be one of the best Anti-Attack wheels out there, and this certainly remains a fearsome custom. Like Duo 230MB, this baby will be on this list for a good time yet.

4) This custom is on very, VERY shaky ground. While it continues to put up decent numbers, it can't be denied that it's one of the lighter customs on this list (which sounds so weird lol). I haven't yet seen anything that is so strictly better than it yet to take it off the list, but it could easily jump off at the drop of a hat.

5) For a long time I've been one of the few advocating this custom, and slowly but surely it has been cropping up in the Winning Customs thread in some notable tournaments. I've always thought this was competitive, and now I feel there is enough real weight to that claim to warrent a spot on this list.
Thread: http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-MF-L-Pha...o-Revisted

6) This is a staple custom. I don't know much more to say about this other than this is a custom you could solo a tournament with. It's good.
Thread: http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-MSF-H-Wy...n-BD145RDF

7) This is such a cool combo, and it's showing up in Winning Customs more and more nowadays; enough, IMO, to be on the list, though it's so non-standard that it'd be on shaky-ish ground.
Thread: http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-MSF-Gryph-Gryph-E230BSF

8) This custom is so weird, haha; it's hard as heck to master, but those who have all say this is ridiculously good. I'm terrible with it myself, but it has some awesome numbers backing it up, enough that I think it might deserve a go on the list.
Thread: http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-MSF-H-Dr...on-SP230GF

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4D Customs (Click to View)

• MF-L Phantom (Attack) Cygnus 85MF
  
• MF-H Scythe Uranus 85RS
  
• MF-H Flash Orion W145MF
  
• MF-H Basalt Horogium TR145R2F
  
• Duo Cygnus 160PD
  

MFB Customs (Click to View)

• MSF-H Reviser Dragooon SA165EWD
  
• MSF-H Bahamdia Ifraid SA165R2F
  
• MSF-H Wyvang Wyvang GB145R2F
  

I agree with taking Meteo off since the only times i've ever seen it win is against Phantom ___ 230CS. Other than it's nothing but a normal stamina combo so now advantage to using that over just a normal duo or phantom combo.

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So have there been any good comparisons/tests to decided which is better SR200 or 230? If not I could be willing to test that. The reason I thought about that is I was wondering "Which would be better for Duo in BB-10 Events SR200 or 230"?

Well, I never post my combos... But my opinion on that is SR200 under Duo performs better than 230. I've beaten Pruebame against his MF Duo Jupiter (?) 230 MB with my MF Duo Leone SR200 MB... I really don't wanna do testing so... XD

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Veteran, just getting back into the sway of things

So have there been any good comparisons/tests to decided which is better SR200 or 230? If not I could be willing to test that. The reason I thought about that is I was wondering "Which would be better for Duo in BB-10 Events SR200 or 230"?

Well, I never post my combos... But my opinion on that is SR200 under Duo performs better than 230. I've beaten Pruebame against his MF Duo Jupiter (?) 230 MB with my MF Duo Leone SR200 MB... I really don't wanna do testing so... XD

LOL, I actually like MF-M Duo Leone SR200MB myself! It's certainly a good custom, possibly even competitive-worthy. You should totally test it! If not, I'll hopefully be able to do that soon.

Anyone have any other feedback on the list?

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4D Customs (Click to View)

• MF-L Phantom (Attack) Cygnus 85MF
  
• MF-H Scythe Uranus 85RS
  
• MF-H Flash Orion W145MF
  
• MF-H Basalt Horogium TR145R2F
  
• Duo Cygnus 160PD
  

MFB Customs (Click to View)

• MSF-H Reviser Dragooon SA165EWD
  
• MSF-H Bahamdia Ifraid SA165R2F
  
• MSF-H Wyvang Wyvang GB145R2F
  

My thoughts:
@Wyvang Dragooon SA165 R2F- No metal stone face. Slows it down too much.

@LW160: What is this up there for? I haven't seen any tests showing it is good.

phantom: I believe it should be taken off. Stamina is supposed to beat defense, but with Phantom, Revizer Revizer BD145 CS will KO you. And tbh, it doesn't offer any advantage over Duo.

@Balro Balro CH120 R2F and Bahamdia Ifraid SA165 R2F: I disagree with adding these. They're worse against BD145 than Wyvang Wyvang IIRC. I know they do better against E230, but if you really want to beat E230, use Wyvang Dragooon SA165 R2F, which gets 90% against it.

@Balro/Phoenic Balro TR145 MF- KainHighwind and I both really like this. It is an absolute beast. There's some tests we did, in the Balro discussion thread IIRC.

Duo: Definitley keep it on IMO. It takes hits from Synchrom attackers better than Revizer Revizer, so I'd say it certainly deserves a spot.

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My two cents
Gryph Gryph E230BSF is supposed to be in lower mode (hugely important), but it does not warrant a spot at all, literally almost anything on any height lower than a 100 on a bottom that can spin longer than BSF destroys it, it is supposed to work as a pinch custom, but it has a very limited area in which it can work, primarily only on stuff between tracks on 105-165.

Just a techy thing, Phantom Cygnus 85MF still works exceptionally well on 90 and Aquario needs to be added as an alternate option to cygnus

My thoughts:
@Balro Balro CH120 R2F and Bahamdia Ifraid SA165 R2F: I disagree with adding these. They're worse against BD145 than Wyvang Wyvang IIRC. I know they do better against E230, but if you really want to beat E230, use Wyvang Dragooon SA165 R2F, which gets 90% against it.

Yes but don't you think 1 or 2 really specific customs with a $25+ chrome wheel are very limited? Something like Balro Balro should be top tier being that it costs much less and it is not that far off from Wyvang. If Flash is on the Tier List, then Balro and Bahamdia should be on there as well as other Synchrom Attackers that generally do better.

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Who uses stuff lower than 100 anyways though? It completely deserves a spot.

EDIT: Meow: Personally, I believe we should only put the best on, regardless of price.

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ShinobuXD, I can't recall where you play, but here in MD, they are fairly common

I've never been to a tournament.

However, I do know that they aren't considered top tier, and I can't remember the last time Phantom 85 WD was in the winning combinations section.

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He is talking about Phantom 85 MF. He is right in some ways, but then again, using Time's argument, nothing should be on the tier list because they all have counters.

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Tournaments I've Attended (Click to View)

4/29/12: The Spring Sortie (BB-10)
7/22/12: The Triple Threat (MFB+Plastics+HMS formats)
9/23/12: Autumn's Assault (Zero G)
October 2012: October Achtung (Zero G) (placed second)
12/15/12: Holiday Havoc! (Zero-G)
2/24/13: Paper vs. Plastic (Zero-G+Plastic Formats)
4/21/13: BR Maryland Qualifier (Zero-G)
5/26/12: BeyDays 2013! (BB-10) (placed first)
7/14/13: Heated Metal Plastic-y Madness! (HMS + Plastics) (placed third in HMS)
7/20/13: The Bey Brawl! (BB-10)
9/28/13 "OK, alright, mirai~!" (BB-10) (placed second)
12/15/13 No Limit Holdem'! (Zero-G, Limited)
1/19/14 Happy Gnu Year! (Zero-G)
2/23/14 Better Late Than Never! (Limited, Plastics, which I got 3rd in)
3/29/14 GBT2 North Carolina Qualfier (Limited, got 4th)
3/30/14 GBT2 Maryland Qualifier (Limited)
6/8/14 A Prehistoric Venture (Limited, HMS, placed first in HMS)
6/21/14 A Timely Farewell (Standard, Tag-Team (not official format), Zero-G, placed first in tag-team and third in Zero-G)

My Testing Threads (All Zero-G) (Click to View)

Diablo Kerbecs E230CF
SB Discussion
Q Discussion
MB Discussion
RS Discussion
BWD Discussion
MF-H Gravity Perseus BD145 RDF
MF-H Duo F230CF
F:S Discussion
SA165 Discussion

HMS Resources (Click to View)

HMS Question and Answer Thread
Competitive HMS Combos List
HMS Parts Discussion
HMS General Discussion

My argument for it not being there is it has a wide range of counters