Rarity is also a point - a rare part being broken and related issues with regard to banning... As I said, coin flip.
(Apr. 24, 2014 10:05 PM)The Supreme One Wrote: (Apr. 24, 2014 9:58 PM)Leone19 Wrote: (Apr. 24, 2014 9:55 PM)th!nk Wrote: Better to look at tournaments where a part shows up for an idea of what it can do than those where it may not, for all we know, have been present in the first place. Having it legal for the championship is an extremely bad idea, and I've already said my piece about it.
My point was simply that it isn't necessarily showing up or placing everywhere, especially in popular and active regions such as Toronto, MD, and CT.
Not to mention that several metagames, including the ones Leone19 mentioned, use almost all stamina just because of the unreliability factor in attack. There's a risk involved with using attack & that's why people don't use it as much as stamina, even if there are great options out there. Omega was unbanned to encourage attack, but people are still hesitant to use it in most tournament settings, proving that it hasn't crippled limited as you seem to imply.
A metagame that is so stamina-centric in limited is somewhat an aberration with regards to consideration of the banlist, to put it excessively bluntly. I don't mean any disrespect to the players in those locations, it is just that these places are reflecting the format in a rather strange manner, and this is an issue centred entirely around the affected part of the spectrum, so, I would tend towards weighting other places more heavily in this particular situation.
In the places we know Omega appeared (we really do need to have a well-managed "make a note whether these things were present/available to competitors (if the latter but not the former, explanations would be appreciated)" list accompanying standard winning combos reports, haha), it made a big impact. In testing, once it found a place for the abundance of power it has always had to actually be significantly more useful compared to Pegasis, it has made a big impact - and even managed to win me over despite my initial skepticism and what some might consider excessive enthusiasm for Attack's presence in the format.
The point of change there was when I tried to find a reliable counter to it - there are some Scythe combinations that trade off a lot of performance vs tall track defense (uncommon, but they're a non-RF thing with a chance of holding up vs Omega - not to 'counter' level, but they're something at least) to prevent Omega getting under them that do well enough to earn that from what I've seen - my results with omega still being less impressive than others, mind you - but Scythe is an aberration in its own right. Aside from that there are unreliable options in Libra and some tall track defense customs, but they're not good enough to really be called counters (and Libra also requires RF and all that entails) and Tall Track Defense loses to pretty much everything else in the format, so they'd struggle to be viable even if they were reliable counters.
On the other hand, the format is to a degree balanced with both around - of course, it's also exactly what it was designed to avoid - overcentralized and one of the responsible wheels is 4D no less, but removing one without the other - well, I'm glad I'm not in a position where I'd have to choose between banning neither or banning scythe, I'll say that much.
Leone19: Yeah, they only had Scythe and Libra, the other two wheels even worth mentioning with Omega around, and didn't use attack at all.
Omega is an Attack Wheel and that will always limit its usage, no matter how much it outclasses other attack wheels or how strong it is. Lighting somehow managed to not be the only wheel seeing use when its greatest obstacle, the thing most likely to cause it to falter, was MF Earth Bull C145WB. It is also not bad against opposing attack wheels - it will beat lightning (and was probably a large reason for the drop in Lightning usage in NC despite its previous dominance) and has the upper hand against Pegasis and most other attack wheels through height and weight - though obviously same spin attack vs attack is still dicey for both parties.
Though it is perhaps not something that should be considered for a decision, I would also heavily question anyone who disagrees with erring on the side of caution re: potentially excessively dominant parts for our flagship tournament of the year and the format's greatest chance to prove itself to a broad audience - an audience to which I feel very strongly that it is in the best interests of the WBO see Limited at its best - if our own format is a mess for our biggest event of the year then what does that say of us as a whole? Perhaps that helps understand some of my concern about Omega.
Were GBT2 not on the horizon I wouldn't be so concerned about the prospect of Omega in a Scythe-Free Limited for a little while, I don't think it's necessary, but I can understand that not everyone is going to see it that way. If it came down to it, I'd personally be open to a precautionary temporary ban on Omega just for BeyDays/GBT2, even. I don't really expect that sort of proposal would gain any traction, but no harm in mentioning it, right?
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