For me, 195 and 220 tend to go more aggressive with CS than 230, due to the rattling of TH170 on 195 and 220, unless it is just my TH170.

Also in London, MF/MF-H Phantom TH170 D used to dominate, but now it doesn't because MF/MF-H Phantom 230 CS beats it like 95% of the time. Again, i can't do tests because i only have one Phantom, but if anyone has two, it would be highly appreciated if you could do a MF-H Phantom Cancer 230 CS vs MF/MF-H Phantom TH170 D test.

People should be using smarter height choices then.

And my TH170 is significantly less aggressive than any of my 230's, soooo...

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My TH170 is also noticably less prone to leaning and providing aggressive movement than my 230, and my TH170 also doesn't really rattle much at all, despite having been used quite a lot...

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Some manner of Octopus.

Well, i mean... if you doubt this combo is worthy of being top-tier, then more comparative tests are appreciated. The more, the merrier.

EDIT: Added a new Poll.

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Is anyone able to do tests against Phantom TH170 CS and Phantom 230 D, since they are currently on the Competitive Combos thread, if MF-H Phantom Cancer 230 CS can get the same, or better, win rates against those combos, then i think that proves that it should join, or replace, them in the Competitive Combos thread. Also if anyone could do tests against a Flash attack combo (Even though the result is probably already known), that would be great.

I added a new poll, so it would be great if as many people, as possible, could vote, so i know what everyone thinks.

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By CS, I'm guessing you mean a different tip, since no Phantom combination on that thread has CS...
And why double post? You could have edited your last post, but I assume you were trying to bump it, which isn't allowed.
And I guess I'll do some tests against Flash.

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They discussed and decided to add Phantom TH170 CS to Balance, don't know why they haven't added it yet. Dan's post: -Basalt should really be off. Balance combo should be replaced with MF-H Phantom TH170CS.

'And why double post? You could have edited your last post, but I assume you were trying to bump it, which isn't allowed.'
I am allowed to double post, since it has been over 48 hours. Therefore it is allowed.

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You are not allowed to double-post in any section but the Bey Marketplace, in point of fact.

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Some manner of Octopus.

I have the last post in a thread, which was on Mar 27 2012 08:06 PM and now i want to post again. So should i BUMP it with my new post, or do i still have to edit my last post, but then no one will see my new post?

If the new post has different content than the old post you are fine to make a second post now. It's been more than 48 hours.

I did ask a MOD.

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MF-H Phantom Gasher 230CS Testing
Standard Procedure
Near Mint CS
CS is Calm
Near Mint RF
TH170 in 220 Mode
Phantom & Duo Switch First Launch Each Round
BB-10 Of Course Used
Using Capricorne For Teh L0LZEZ

MF-H Flash Capricorne GB145RF vs. MF-H Phantom Gasher 230CS

Flash: 20 Wins (20 KO, 0 OS)
Phantom: 0 Wins (0 KO, 0 OS)
1 Draw, Redone
Phantom Gasher Win Percentage : 0%

Yeah, Phantom is KOed by a slight breeze, even with a CS.

MF-F Duo Aquario TH170D vs. MF-H Phantom Gasher 230CS

Duo: 9 Wins (0 KO, 9 OS)
Phantom: 11 Wins ( 0 KO, 11 OS)
2 Draws, Both Redone
Phantom Gasher Win Percentage : 55%

If they didn't make a lot of contact, Duo would win, but if they did, Phantom would smash down onto Duo, and would actually OS by a pretty large margin. Yet, Duo also destabilized Phantom in two of Duo's wins. I was surprised to see that it wasn't decided on only who was launched first.

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Thanks for the tests! Added them to the thread. IMO, i thought it would of done better against Duo TH170 D, but hey.

EDIT: I got extremely different results, but that's probably because are Duo and Phantom mold's are different. Anyway, here are my results:

Standard Procedure.

MF-H Phantom Cancer 230 CS (CALM) vs. MF Duo Aquario TH170 (220) D (MINT)

Spoiler (Click to View)

MF-H Phantom Cancer 230 CS: 19 Wins (17 OS, 2 KO)
MF Duo Aquario TH170 D: 1 Win (1 KO)

Phantom win percentage: 95%

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Just a video (...very low quality video...) of MF-H Phantom Cancer 230 CS, against a top-tier stamina combo.

EDIT: SORRY! I totally forgot again! Sorry to double post, i made the post, scrolled up, and realized that i double posted.

EDIT #2: Also, the people that voted 'Needs more testing', could they then state what it needs to be tested against.

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Can you try this against, say, MF-H LDD BD145RDF?

(Apologies for reviving this, if that's a problem)

EDIT: Also, can you try deep banking and tornado stalling it against Attack?

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Threads and combos!

Spoiler (Click to View)

[LTD] MF Jade Horogium 85RSF
[LTD] RB / RSF Attack
[LTD] Ronin Genbull (Crystal Up) 85RF
MF-H Phantom (Attack) Cancer 85RB
MSF-H Wyvang Ifraid GB145RF {Alternative to Wyvang^2 with more Upper Attack}
MSF-H Genbull Genbull 85RSF {Improved version of the above Phantom combo}
Balro Begirados 100RF {LTAC with both Upper Smash and regular Smash}
[LTD] MF-H Lightning L-Drago 85RB {more controllable Lightning LTAC}
[LTD] Burn Orion 105SF {Destabilizer}

I haven't tested it, but i know Phantom 230 will lose.

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Can you try this against, say, MF-H LDD BD145RDF?

(Apologies for reviving this, if that's a problem)

EDIT: Also, can you try deep banking and tornado stalling it against Attack?

From my own personal use, I can already tell you it will be a lopsided test, L-Drago Destroy/Guardian BD145MF is also another problem that this combo cannot answer.

Hyper, does your meta not see usage (or, at least, big) of LDD and/or LDG combos? Seeing as you said this is doing very well in your meta, I'm just wondering how the eventual LDD or LDG combo doesn't just completely destroy this.

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Yeah, I use this combo a lot, and my brother's LDD CH120WD has been a serious problem. I thought maybe the stamina reduction from WD to RDF would make it easier to beat. Maybe. :\

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Threads and combos!

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[LTD] MF Jade Horogium 85RSF
[LTD] RB / RSF Attack
[LTD] Ronin Genbull (Crystal Up) 85RF
MF-H Phantom (Attack) Cancer 85RB
MSF-H Wyvang Ifraid GB145RF {Alternative to Wyvang^2 with more Upper Attack}
MSF-H Genbull Genbull 85RSF {Improved version of the above Phantom combo}
Balro Begirados 100RF {LTAC with both Upper Smash and regular Smash}
[LTD] MF-H Lightning L-Drago 85RB {more controllable Lightning LTAC}
[LTD] Burn Orion 105SF {Destabilizer}

The stamina reduction...?
I don't think you know how that combo works..

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Hyper, does your meta not see usage (or, at least, big) of LDD and/or LDG combos? Seeing as you said this is doing very well in your meta, I'm just wondering how the eventual LDD or LDG combo doesn't just completely destroy this.

Actually this combo isn't used anymore in our meta. This thread hasn't been updated for over 2 months now, hence why it still says this combo dominates. We do use a combo exactly the same to the LDG combo though, Gravity Perseus BD145 RDF, which i made a thread for.

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@Zancrow: I know how the combo works, but I was thinking that if LDG/LDD stayed relatively calm while Phantom tornado stalled, then Phantom may win. I'm mostly shooting in the dark here, though.

EDIT: Apologies to everyone for my quasi-intelligent yammering.

EDIT2: My god, I halted all conversation in this thread. XD

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Threads and combos!

Spoiler (Click to View)

[LTD] MF Jade Horogium 85RSF
[LTD] RB / RSF Attack
[LTD] Ronin Genbull (Crystal Up) 85RF
MF-H Phantom (Attack) Cancer 85RB
MSF-H Wyvang Ifraid GB145RF {Alternative to Wyvang^2 with more Upper Attack}
MSF-H Genbull Genbull 85RSF {Improved version of the above Phantom combo}
Balro Begirados 100RF {LTAC with both Upper Smash and regular Smash}
[LTD] MF-H Lightning L-Drago 85RB {more controllable Lightning LTAC}
[LTD] Burn Orion 105SF {Destabilizer}

could you test against MF-H Wing cancer bd145 cs

BHK already tested against Death BD145CS, which is roughly the same as Wing BD145CS as Wing is on par with Death defense wise.

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that's not how it works
80% of the time when it scrapes later in the battle, it dies
That means it can't get back up
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My collection (Click to View)

Pegasis 105F
Storm Pegasis 105RF
Galaxy Pegasis W105R2F
Lightning L Drago 100HF
Meteo L Drago LW105LF x2
Meteo L Drago Rush 125SF
Gravity Perseus AD145WD
Gravity Perseus BD145XF
Ray Unicorno D125CS
Storm Capicorne M145Q
Hell Kerbecs BD145DS
Basalt Horogium 145WD
Earth Virgo GB145BS
Thermal Lacerta WA130HF
Thermal Pisces T125ES
Midnight Bull 125SF
Fury Capricorne 100WF
Inferno Saggitario 145S
Counter Leone 145D
Burn Phoenix 135MS
Dark Cancer CH120SF
Dark Wolf DF145FS
Dark Saggitario WD145SD
Flame Byxis 230WD
Grand Ketos WD145RS
Rock Escolpio T125JB
Screw Capricorne 90MF
Wind Aquario 100HF/S
Heat Pegasis DF145WB
Rock Aries ED145D (Black Ver.)

4D System
Phantom Orion B: D
Flash Saggitario 230WD
Duo Uranus 230WD
L Drago Guardian S130MB
Wing Pegasis 90WF
Death Quetzalcoatl 125RDF
Beat Lynx TH170WD

Spare parts / Accessories / ETC.
Parts - MF-H, MF-F, MF (Face), RFx2, WF, DF105, LRF, 90x2, 125x2, 105x2
Accessories - 3 Segment Launcher Grip, BB-15 Launcher Grip, Beylauncher R x2, Beylauncher LR, a bunch of LLs and LL2s

Try it against MF-M Duo Aquario 230MB

This combo was made before Duo 230 MB, therefore it wasn't made to beat it. Also this combo is very rarely used in the UK anymore. Although i do remember posting some tests in the Duo 230 MB thread before, search there.

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BHK i would like to hear how good this combo does against
MF-H sceythe Kronos BD145 cs

Phantom beats it...

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BHK i would like to hear how good this combo does against
MF-H sceythe Kronos BD145 cs

Phantom would win hands down

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