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[LTD] MF-H Nightmare Uranus LW105RF

Poll: Nightmare; Potentially a Competitive Piece in Limited?

Most definitely, yes!
27.78%
5
More testings will tell whether or whether not it is.
66.67%
12
You're joking, right? It's horrible!
5.56%
1
Total: 100% 18 vote(s)
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Nov. 23, 2014  3:46 PM
 
[Image: MF_H_Nightmare_Uranus_LW105_RF.png]

Hey everyone, how's it going and welcome to my most recent combo thread, MF-H Nightmare Uranus LW105RF! Lately, I've been playing around with Nightmare, and I've seemed to have some success with it. With no official Nightmare combo testing threads, I figured that it'd be nice to experiment with it, showing some official results. That's not all, though! I'll also be stating a couple of overall thoughts, mentioning things like the concept and more! Let's begin!

The Equipment Used (Click to View)

The Concept (Click to View)

The Launch (Click to View)

The Part Choice (Click to View)

Battle Notes (Click to View)

The Testings (Click to View)

Overall Matches Won (Click to View)

Overall Win Percentage (Click to View)

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OVERALL THOUGHTS ON THE SETUP

From these testings, I can already guarantee that the setup or anything Nightmare-based probably isn't tier-list worthy. In a way, it does kind of remind like a Screw: Good, maybe not fit for the tier-list, or that great in comparison to competitive wheels for Attack like Omega, Pegasis and Lightning with L-Drago. I feel like the setup and Nightmare itself can definitely be looked into more! More testing will be necessary, though!
Nov. 23, 2014  4:08 PM
 
50% agaisnt a stamina type...? That's not too good. Could you do a benchmark with Screw agaisnt Scythe W145BWD? Also, testing against another attack type please. Smile
Nov. 23, 2014  4:19 PM
 
Why using LW105 instead of CH120, or even W105 ? LW105 decrease friction, while W105 increase friction, (opposite for left spinning)
Nov. 23, 2014  4:24 PM
 
You do realize friction is a bad thing for a Beyblade, right?.... So saying W105 gives more friction would be incorrect in 2 ways and saying it's better for that reason is also wrong.

What friction are you talking about? The air? If so, the wings give little to no advantage of using W105 or LW105 it was probably for the height.
Nov. 23, 2014  4:39 PM
 
You don't understand. W105 give a little more friction, but it's negligible. More friction = a better grip with the stadium, less recoil, ect...
Nov. 23, 2014  5:03 PM
 
I would put Nightmare on the same level as Screw, if not a tier below, from my own experience.
Against anything competitive it's more than likely going to lose and there's nothing that can be done about it.
Nevertheless, I will do a few tests when I have the chance.
Nov. 23, 2014  5:23 PM
 
Just got it done. The results were a bit different from Nightmare. Here it is, Echizen:

MF-H Screw Uranus LW105RF versus Scythe Cancer W145BWD
RF and BWD in Their Prime - Launches Alternated Every Five Matches
Scythe Cancer: 6/20 (4 OS'S, 2 KO'S) - 30% Win Rate
Screw Uranus: 14/20 (ALL KO) - 70% Win Rate

Also managed to get this done, as well:

MF-H Screw Uranus LW105RF versus Libra SR200RSF
RF and RSF in Their Prime - Libra Launched First All Matches
Libra SR200RSF: 12/20 (ALL OS) - 60% Win Rate
Nightmare Uranus: 8/20 (ALL KO) - 40% Win Rate

The Supreme One Wrote:I would put Nightmare on the same level as Screw, if not a tier below, from my own experience.

I'm gonna agree on this one, you're definitely right.

The Supreme One Wrote:Against anything competitive it's more than likely going to lose and there's nothing that can be done about it.

Again, I really wasn't expect Nightmare to do all that impressive, or Omega/Pegasis good: Considering there are no threads relating to Nightmare's Attack use, I figured I'd play around with it myself, sharing the results here. There is truly nothing that can be done to make this combo better. Nightmare definitely isn't the smartest of choices out there.

The Supreme One Wrote:Nevertheless, I will do a few tests when I have the chance.

Thanks, it means a lot. Kudos to you!
Nov. 23, 2014  5:27 PM
 
pretty interesting results. someone can try it with 85 or 90. a lowest track may give it some powers due to its compact designs.

when i got some time I think to try MF-H nightmare kerbecs 85 RF/MF/XF/R2F.
the only thing that i don't have the good mold of Scythe and missing may be some parts to make a comparison. if you have other sugestion to try against, just let me know ^^
Nov. 23, 2014  5:33 PM
 
(Nov. 23, 2014  4:39 PM)|BeyBouncer| Wrote: You don't understand. W105 give a little more friction, but it's negligible. More friction = a better grip with the stadium, less recoil, ect...

It think it's you who doesn't understand...

If it's negligible then it has no affect. Friction henders movement, which you don't want and that certainly doesn't mean it gives it better grip. The only thing that can give a Beyblade a better grip to the stadium is the performance tip. And defenitely would not lessen the recoil... But also, why would W105 give the Beyblade more friction...?

Thanks for the benchmark!
Nov. 23, 2014  6:28 PM
 
I believe he's referring to the way the wings face on each track, which I believe was tested and found to be completely negligible, so it really wouldn't matter.

Anyway, these tests are interesting and give a good look at Nightmare's potential, though it's not the greatest. Still, thank you for the tests!
Nov. 23, 2014  7:31 PM
 
I'd try defense / stamina combo. Personally it has great stamina but low defense, I'd try it with a heavy track and metal face with a d/wd
Nov. 23, 2014  7:36 PM
 
I don't think its shape lends it any usefulness in anything except Attack. I could be wrong though.
Nov. 23, 2014  7:42 PM
 
could be a balance customization. get high speed and stamina on D based tips and have is power from smash on the metal wheel to do some counter-attack could be an idea but it doesn't mean it was powerfull to be top tier so.
Nov. 23, 2014  8:02 PM
 
Good tests and interesting setup, Shido.

Not necessarily the best option, but certainly a good topic to let us know where the part stands, competitive-wise.
Nov. 23, 2014  9:17 PM
 
While this is an interesting setup, I never expected to see Nightmare used for Attack. Knowing what it looks like it seems that it could work, but I don't own one. Even though it's not top-tier testing it is definitely appreicated so we know where it stands.

I do recall th!nk saying that it was about Earth-level in Defense though, so that might be worth checking out.
EDIT: Maybe something like MF-H Nightmare Kerbecs R145RB.
Nov. 24, 2014  12:35 AM
 
All mint parts. Scythe & Libra launched first.

Nightmare Uranus LW105 RF: 1/10 (10% win rate)
Scythe Aquario GB145 RSF: 9/10 (90% win rate)
Ties: 1

Nightmare Uranus LW105 RF: 5/10 (5 KO; 50% win rate)
Libra B:D: 5/10 (4 OS, 1 KO; 50% win rate)
Eh. 50% against a stamina type...
Nov. 24, 2014  12:59 AM
 
The Scythe results weren't much of a surprise to me. Defense kills this thing, haha.

As for the Libra B:D results, I think the fifty percent win rate could have been based off of Libra's actual weight. Regardless, it's still really not that impressive, still.

@[Wombat] : Oh, awesome, I'll try to compare the two soon!
Nov. 24, 2014  2:36 AM
 
(Nov. 23, 2014  5:33 PM)Echizen Wrote:
(Nov. 23, 2014  4:39 PM)|BeyBouncer| Wrote: You don't understand. W105 give a little more friction, but it's negligible. More friction = a better grip with the stadium, less recoil, ect...

It think it's you who doesn't understand...

If it's negligible then it has no affect. Friction henders movement, which you don't want and that certainly doesn't mean it gives it better grip. The only thing that can give a Beyblade a better grip to the stadium is the performance tip. And defenitely would not lessen the recoil... But also, why would W105 give the Beyblade more friction...?

Thanks for the benchmark!
Friction and grip are the same thing Wink

Rubber has a higher friction coefficent on the plastic stadium than either metal or plastic, and adding more weight increases frictional force. Both of these are strategies for improving Defense types and recoil handling in general.

Downforce (which W105 does not provide enough to have any real effect) will increase friction because it is adding to the gravitational force that is pushing the tip against the floor. The more that the tip is pushed against the floor (by adding weight or downforce or whatever) the more friction it will have, and thus more speed and less recoil. The problem is that adding weight slows down the Beyblade, which is why Synchromes don't rocket all around the stadium on RF.


Anyways, I'm glad someone found a use for Nightmare; it's a really overlooked Wheel that had the misfortune to come out at a really bad time (as Basalt was around already and 4D was underway). It's a good example of a good part that was overshadowed at the time by other parts, and fits the spirit of Limited nicely.
Dec. 05, 2014  2:36 AM
 
Interesting idea for a combo Shido! Glad to see people trying out new stuff regardless of whether it is good or bad.

MF-H Nightmare Uranus LW105 RF vs Scythe Scorpio B;D
Nightmare: 5 (5 KO, 0 OS)
Scythe: 15 (15 OS, 0 KO)
Nightmare Win Percentage: 25%
Spoiler (Click to View)
Nightmare just got wrecked. It didn't seem like that strong of attacker when hitting and Scythe B;D just took the hits up. I expected Nightmare to do a little worse this match up than against Scythe W145 Stamina because I believe B;D has better defense and it showed. There were a few wall saves for B;D but not that many.

Also Wombat suggested MF-H Nightmare Kerbecs R145 RB so I decided to try it for comparison.
MF-H Nightmare Kerbecs R145 RB vs Scythe B;D
Nightmare: 9 (8 KO, 1 OS)
Scythe: 11 (11 OS, 0 KO)
Nightmare Win Percentage: 45%
Spoiler (Click to View)
R145 RB did a lot better. Not just the games it won, but also it's losses were all really close. The OS came from Nightmare hitting Scythe against a wall so many times Nightmare Out spun it. In conclusion R145 RB is probably a better set up and R145 RB smashed Scythe around while LW105 RF would hope for a lucky hit.
Dec. 10, 2014  6:55 AM
 
your RB is agressive or not?
Dec. 21, 2014  7:13 PM
 
@[Shido]: Can you test this setup against Libra B : D ?
Dec. 21, 2014  10:33 PM
 
Dʀᴀɢᴏɴ Wrote:Can you test this setup against Libra B : D ?

The Supreme One posted testings with it, where as it only on 5/10 of the matches. It's on the last page, though. Smile
Dec. 22, 2014  11:51 AM
 
(Dec. 21, 2014  10:33 PM)Shido Wrote: The Supreme One posted testings with it, where as it only on 5/10 of the matches. It's on the last page, though. Smile

Oh! then test it against Meteo L-Drago B : D
Dec. 22, 2014  4:39 PM
 
I think Nightmare could be a good replacement for a competitive purpose. not really be added to tier list but could be usefull when you don't have enough powerfull metal wheel in limited Attack Customisation. it's a good part to make a compact and mid heavy attack combo IMO. for sure it's better than Storm galaxy ray. not sure if it could do better than Screw.