She's Italian; tournament experience.

Now I'm interested in what she said...anyone up to test that?

She's Italian; tournament experience.

Now I'm interested in what she said...anyone up to test that?

I can, but should I use normal Perseus or ATK Perseus?

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Just assume normal since she didn't specify any differences.

normal clear wheel, also, sorry for posting as pasty, it was me.
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about counters:

A counter MUST be viaable in our metagame.
I mean, you may know your opponent is using that combo, and that's good, but would you randomly play it if it's not viable in the metagame? No. would people randomly play tank combos? Absolutely yes.
So, if you can see via extra sensorial powers which combo is your opponent using then it's ok, otherwise what bey will you pick?

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f : d is really good on gravity perseus, cause it eliminates two of the most dangerous combo in our metagame: basalt bd145 and basalt 230

Very well said. East Coast bladers(really just IKMV and myself) have been using this tactic for a while now. MF-H Gravity Perseus(Left Spin Counter Mode)F.
Thing is, its main weakness from what I can see atm is MF-H Basalt BD145MF. It gets tossed around like a ragdoll and outspun quite often.

well you know, i was talking with ikmv while creating that combo =)

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Hmmm... For some reason, I could never win against TankMF with that combo. Is there a specific way to launch or something?

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well you know, i was talking with ikmv while creating that combo =)

Yes I am aware lol. Very good creation. It is very helpful. I only used it twice. It was good for the first time but that BD145MF takes it out when combined with Basalt. It can take care of just about anything else.

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Hmmm... For some reason, I could never win against TankMF with that combo. Is there a specific way to launch or something?

I just said that it loses against MF

Tornado Stallers:Basically all XF (Except Lightnign :V) customs, because they revolve around the tornado ridge and OS Basalt, stalling the entire game.

Just want to point out that this exact same thing was done long ago with MF L Drago 100WF versus the top tier Defense and Attack customs of the time when it was competitively viable.

about counters:

A counter MUST be viaable in our metagame.
I mean, you may know your opponent is using that combo, and that's good, but would you randomly play it if it's not viable in the metagame? No. would people randomly play tank combos? Absolutely yes.
So, if you can see via extra sensorial powers which combo is your opponent using then it's ok, otherwise what bey will you pick?

Great post. Anyone can come up with a custom that is decent at beating a couple things, but it's the combos that can change the metagame that really matter, the combos that you wouldn't be afraid to choose while Stalling Clause is invoked.

and "extra sensorial powers" lol

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But I already beat IKMV with Basalt Aquario 105EWD...

But I already beat IKMV with Basalt Aquario 105EWD...

It's a Stamina, of course it'll beat it.

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Tornado Stallers: Basically all XF (Except Lightning :V) customs, because they revolve around the tornado ridge and OS Basalt, stalling the entire game.

Just want to point out that this exact same thing was done long ago with MF L Drago 100WF versus the top tier Defense and Attack customs of the time when it was competitively viable.

Really? I never got my hands on LDrago so I wouldn't have known.. Neat.
Somehow I never got that impression from the thread, but I'll re-read it.

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I can't give official results (since this was done at our last tournament with GreeNxBlader) but MF-H Basalt Horolgium UW145CS did well against this combo (again, an aggressive/semi-aggressive CS is needed).

It used it's momentum to push Basalt BD145MB into a floor scrape, and KO'd as well IIRC.

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10 pages and I've only just found a thread about what I've been trying to do for a couple of months. Wow. I'll need to read this whole thread properly, which I'll do in a little.

I just wanted to say I find the MB variant FAR easier to destabilise/KO than CS. (NO MF) Gravity Perseus (ATK) SW145RF (left spin, counter) destabilises the MB variant and outspins it, for me, at least. The CS version doesn't suffer this. Fang also seems to do slightly better against MB as well.
That said, I find MF Hell Kerbecs BD145 (Normal Mode) R2F (RF lacks the speed needed), Can take out the CS version (not that reliably, though), as it's Disk is at a different height, and therefore hell makes contact. Against MB, however, it's just plastic on plastic.

MB also seems to struggle more against (iirc from last night) Libra 230D, being more easily destabilised.
And, I find Libra does better than hell for 230 stamina against basalt bd145 (slightly harder to KO). I use Aquario on my basalt BD145, which seems to work nicely, I'm not sure if Bull/Kerbecs have the same ability to Destabilise/KO, I need to check.

But yeah, that's just a few thoughts, I've got 10 or so pages to read, and then hopefully I'll be able to contribute a bit more meaningfully.


EDIT: Bluezees lightning tank thread is WOAH, though I can't seem to get those results myself vs basalt bd145. However, Dan's "Maximum Meteor" is a combo I use regularly, and seems to be able to outspin basalt bd145CS. I'll vouch for it's versatility from personal experience, too.

And yeah, sorry if I'm being SLOWPOKE or anything. Just wanted to put my two cents in.

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We probably have to change the launch technique used against this combo or come up with a different launch technique and I've knocked this combo out by launching Gravity Perseus 90RF really hard.

By the way, I actually do well against every stamina bey I've tried with this Tank. KO HellBD145WD, Beat MF-H Hell Kerbecs BD145CS somehow, OS LTSC's, as they grind against BD145 and apparently that hurts a lot. Crush MF-H Libra85CS/D, and KO anything on 230D (Or Destabilise CS).

I've only tried with Aquario, but it seems to be doing a lot of the work against 230 Combos. I'll try Bull and kerbecs after dinner.

Maybe it's got no juice, but it may be replacing opponents fuel with water.

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Well... My assumption is that everyone does their experiments by themselves, so ask a friend or a family member to help you out, but if you did do this with another person, make sure he launches it correctly.

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Well... My assumption is that everyone does their experiments by themselves, so ask a friend or a family member to help you out, but if you did do this with another person, make sure he launches it correctly.

Isn't that the error everyone has on the WBO? If you could find a capable player to test with, it would be everyones first choice.

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I think if any attack type has a chance it should have spin steal (or spin equalizing)

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This combo is pretty unmovable but...
Dan,and bluzee's combos beat this hard
when i have time i will test against this...

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Well... My assumption is that everyone does their experiments by themselves, so ask a friend or a family member to help you out, but if you did do this with another person, make sure he launches it correctly.

but what if they don't show interest
if i had some one to blade with....
everyone would want does kind of tests

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Hey guys, I've been testing out MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145MB...All the heaviest parts. It's great. However, I almost destroyed my BB-10 today because of the fact that the "tank" is too darn heavy and therefore dents the stadium every time it lands...talk about a real tank. What equipment would you recommend for launching and how exactly would you launch it? I love the combo and plan on using it more, but I don't want to endanger my gear.

Hey guys, I've been testing out MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145MB...All the heaviest parts. It's great. However, I almost destroyed my BB-10 today because of the fact that the "tank" is too darn heavy and therefore dents the stadium every time it lands...talk about a real tank. What equipment would you recommend for launching and how exactly would you launch it? I love the combo and plan on using it more, but I don't want to endanger my gear.

Well, I can't explain the secret of how to use this combo, but know this, Bank when stamina, regular when attack. RS is obsolete now that this combo came into game.

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Hey guys, I've been testing out MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145MB...All the heaviest parts. It's great.

I got lost here. Basalt and Kerbecs are both metal wheels ...
Anyways, I don't see how you could be denting your stadium. Even though they are heavy, MB has a large surface area so the weight would distribute on a wider surface. Are you sure you aren't using MF or MS?

... Just wondering but just how high are you launching the beyblade?

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Hey guys, I've been testing out MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145MB...All the heaviest parts. It's great.

I got lost here. Basalt and Kerbecs are both metal wheels ...
Anyways, I don't see how you could be denting your stadium. Even though they are heavy, MB has a large surface area so the weight would distribute on a wider surface. Are you sure you aren't using MF or MS?

... Just wondering but just how high are you launching the beyblade?

Nah dude, Kerbecs is the Clear Wheel, you must be thinking of Hell.

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Hey guys, I've been testing out MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145MB...All the heaviest parts. It's great.

I got lost here. Basalt and Kerbecs are both metal wheels ...
Anyways, I don't see how you could be denting your stadium. Even though they are heavy, MB has a large surface area so the weight would distribute on a wider surface. Are you sure you aren't using MF or MS?

... Just wondering but just how high are you launching the beyblade?

No no kind sir. Kerbecs is a clear wheel. Hell is the wheel.

argh..BEATEN lol.