Recoil isn't always bad I had this combo variares d125 mf that got hit to a wall and bounced back on the bey that hit it and that between went flying
my parts are
er: gasher, lyre, striker x2, destroyer, lacerta, aries, pegasus v. 3, bxyis, uranus, bull, striker v. 2, destructor x2, and variares
Fw: cosmic, l drago x 2, duo, thermal, storm, gravity, torch, Ray x 2, inferno x 2, and forbidden
St: 230, ed145, wd145, d125

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D125, 125, sw 145, ch 120, df 105,wa 130, lw105, and ad145
Pt: cs, cs, sf, lf, wd x2,d, rs, mf, hf, and ds
4d bottoms: fd, fs, and dd
14 facebolts

I now have kreis cygnus 145 wd

what made the VariAres bounce back from the wall to the stadium wasnt recoil, it was its smash. recoil is bad, is like firing a gun that will also damage you.
anyways, in official play once the bey exits the stadium it counts as KO even is it comes back its no longer in play.
the best combos "i think":

Attack:
Cosmic Striker CH120LF
Gravity Destroyer (counter mode) CH120LF should get a RF/R2F and also Flash
Defense:
Duo Gasher/Cygnus SW145RS Should get a DB145
track is up to choice since they are all equally outclassed for defense
Stamina:
Duo? Cygnus AD145WD

Spin equalizer:
Gravity Destroyer (defense mode?) CH120WD on left spin

WD or DS- which one is more usefull for a stamina & defense combo?

WD or DS- which one is more usefull for a stamina & defense combo?

Neither has any potential for defense at all, only for stamina.
WD is better for combos in 145 tracks and below, and i think DS is outclassed but i use it in combos of 170 and over.

this is the first time i have actually used this thread for help. usually i am the one helping XD

before i go on, i would like to mention a few things.
first off, i am more so wanting some feedback, an opinion, on the theoretically useful combos i am going to be presenting.
as i don't own/have the money to get any zero-g beyblades, i do ask you all to not recomend to me to get any of them to use instead of my outclassed parts. i know they are outclassed, but it is all i got. and i have to make due with them by being inovative.

so, on with the show.

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first combo i am thinking of trying is Hell Kerbecs S130XF
the reason i have decided on this, is in the past with these new stadiums i have used hell kerbecs 85rf. as much as it got really close victories, i could see it was just to low, and lost to much stamina.
i chose hell cause it is both my favorite wheel, and my best attack wheel (or i am just bad at using all other attack wheels). my one problem is i have barely used XF and i am not sure how well i will be able to control it

Next combo is Duo (in wobble mode) SR200FB.
nothing like a good ol wobbling tower combo. though i am unsure on if i should use that tip. but it seems like a semi good idea to me

this last combo is, well... weird: Ldrago guardian ED145JB
yeah yeah, i know. don't laugh XD.
reason behind this is that i like spin stealers.. and this is pretty much the best i got in terms of wheels.
now you are wondering "why ED145 of all things??". well, i though 145 is a nice hight, and out of all my 145 tracks, this one seemed like the best for this (in some weird, unknown way). though i could use AD145 instead (i would also say GB145, but meh).
now.. what on earth would possess me to use JB of all tips????
believe it or not, i actually really like JB for spin steal/destablizers. it has good traction, to move it around about as much, to slightly more then SF. but its friction is a bit lower, allowing it good stamina. and personally, i prefer a ball shaped tip over SF's shape on a swerving stadium. my other choices are to just use SF, or MB if i can find it.. but i dunno

some other parts i might use are: LRF, RF, 100/105.
i also have with me a beserker and a samurai wheel. as well as a BD145 (which i hate), and a EDS (that is getting a bit worn)

so yeah.. man my parts are outdated

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this is the first time i have actually used this thread for help. usually i am the one helping XD

before i go on, i would like to mention a few things.
first off, i am more so wanting some feedback, an opinion, on the theoretically useful combos i am going to be presenting.
as i don't own/have the money to get any zero-g beyblades, i do ask you all to not recomend to me to get any of them to use instead of my outclassed parts. i know they are outclassed, but it is all i got. and i have to make due with them by being inovative.

so, on with the show.

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first combo i am thinking of trying is Hell Kerbecs S130XF
the reason i have decided on this, is in the past with these new stadiums i have used hell kerbecs 85rf. as much as it got really close victories, i could see it was just to low, and lost to much stamina.
i chose hell cause it is both my favorite wheel, and my best attack wheel (or i am just bad at using all other attack wheels). my one problem is i have barely used XF and i am not sure how well i will be able to control it

Next combo is Duo (in wobble mode) SR200FB.
nothing like a good ol wobbling tower combo. though i am unsure on if i should use that tip. but it seems like a semi good idea to me

this last combo is, well... weird: Ldrago guardian ED145JB
yeah yeah, i know. don't laugh XD.
reason behind this is that i like spin stealers.. and this is pretty much the best i got in terms of wheels.
now you are wondering "why ED145 of all things??". well, i though 145 is a nice hight, and out of all my 145 tracks, this one seemed like the best for this (in some weird, unknown way). though i could use AD145 instead (i would also say GB145, but meh).
now.. what on earth would possess me to use JB of all tips????
believe it or not, i actually really like JB for spin steal/destablizers. it has good traction, to move it around about as much, to slightly more then SF. but its friction is a bit lower, allowing it good stamina. and personally, i prefer a ball shaped tip over SF's shape on a swerving stadium. my other choices are to just use SF, or MB if i can find it.. but i dunno

some other parts i might use are: LRF, RF, 100/105.
i also have with me a beserker and a samurai wheel. as well as a BD145 (which i hate), and a EDS (that is getting a bit worn)

so yeah.. man my parts are outdated

Allright, Here's some feedback for ya!

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As for your spin stealer, JB is one of the worst possible tips you could use for it. The idea of a spin stealer is to stay up without toppling over before your opponent, since both beys will be spinning at the same speed by the end of the battle due to the beys pushing each other along. Some tips topple over sooner than others. JB will topple over sooner than just about any tip except most (if not all) variations of sharp/spike tips, which are overall outclassed and rarely used in today's metagame. ED145 is a reasonable choice for a spin-stealer, since it allows you to actually spin after toppling over for a split second due to its free spinning gimmick.

As for your attack type, XF is really not a very good substitute for RF, LRF, or R2F. All forms of rubber flat are heads and tails above most plastic attack tips for smash. And also, you mentioned your first hell kerbecs combo being too short. Since Hell actually rises upward (to enable it to pair with BD145 ) similar to flame, the contact points will be slightly higher than on other metal wheels, so a shorter track should actually be used with Hell. Therefore, with your parts, your first hell kerbecs combo is probably the best you can make already.

I do not know what to say about the "wobbling tower" combo, but what I'm guessing is that you are planning to use it for defense. In that case, I would suggest using Duo Kerbecs BD145FB instead. FB is not the best tip for defense, but it will most likely cause your bey to go into a tornado stall when hit instead of flying directly out of the stadium (unless it gets hit really hard, in which case it will not have enough grip. CS is the alternative to this, since it has a rubber coating that can grip the edge of the stadium without slipping). BD145 is arguably the best defensive spin track, so even if you don't like it, you may want to use it against strong smash attackers.

Please list ALL of your parts next time. It helps a lot 'cause then we can see if you have any other parts that might be better.

Hope I helped!

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Allright, Here's some feedback for ya!

first off, i would like to say thanks.

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As for your spin stealer, JB is one of the worst possible tips you could use for it. The idea of a spin stealer is to stay up without toppling over before your opponent, since both beys will be spinning at the same speed by the end of the battle due to the beys pushing each other along.

i have been using JB for a very long time, and personally i do not find what you say here to be the case. also, i was going more for equalizing+destablizing (sorry i wasn't clear on that), which i find JB to be a VERY good tip for.

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As for your attack type, XF is really not a very good substitute for RF, LRF, or R2F. All forms of rubber flat are heads and tails above most plastic attack tips for smash. And also, you mentioned your first hell kerbecs combo being too short. Since Hell actually rises upward (to enable it to pair with BD145 ) similar to flame, the contact points will be slightly higher than on other metal wheels, so a shorter track should actually be used with Hell. Therefore, with your parts, your first hell kerbecs combo is probably the best you can make already.

yes, i know all rubber tips are better (i happen to have been around this forum for quite a while, and i know almost all about all parts)... for smash attack that is. but i am going for the swerving attack, is it called? (i did mention.. all of these combos are for the swerving, zero-g stadium, of which i forget its name. sorry if that wasn't clear.) as for hell being raised, again, i allready know.. but my reasoning for being on a higher track is 1. on the zero-g stadiums, 85 is just a bit to low. and 2. many defensive combos are on very high tracks.
if in a bb-10, i would completely use my first hell combo over the s130XF

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I do not know what to say about the "wobbling tower" combo, but what I'm guessing is that you are planning to use it for defense. In that case, I would suggest using Duo Kerbecs BD145FB instead. FB is not the best tip for defense, but it will most likely cause your bey to go into a tornado stall when hit instead of flying directly out of the stadium (unless it gets hit really hard, in which case it will not have enough grip. CS is the alternative to this, since it has a rubber coating that can grip the edge of the stadium without slipping). BD145 is arguably the best defensive spin track, so even if you don't like it, you may want to use it against strong smash attackers.

i am not looking for a defence combo, it is a 'disrupting' combo more so.. like a destablizer.
also, that combo would have way to much scraping, especailly in a zero-g stadium. and i don't have CS.
like i said, not looking for defence. if i wanted defence, i would of sticked with my duo ___ BD145 combo that i have.. either way i hate defence XD

Please list ALL of your parts next time. It helps a lot 'cause then we can see if you have any other parts that might be better.

lol i know i know.. but with the rest of my parts being the likes of earth eagle and dark wolf (beys from that time period).. i really just said the best of what i got as the rest as, from experience and seeing other peoples tests, our outclassed for what i want to use

sorry if i seem rather snobby. i really don't mean to XD.

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lord wolfblade I'm pretty sure theblackdragon did not know that you were using a Zero g stadium, neither did I, for your spin stealer you would be better off putting XF on it than jb I know you said you like it but really that top is one of the worst tips if not the worst along with the sharp series, I would suggest using EDS.

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lord wolfblade I'm pretty sure theblackdragon did not know that you were using a Zero g stadium, neither did I, for your spin stealer you would be better off putting XF on it than jb I know you said you like it but really that top is one of the worst tips if not the worst along with the sharp series, I would suggest using EDS.

yeah, i did mention it once. should of made it clearer. sorry about that.

XF would make it so it would never be able to make contact to spin steal, i need somthing slower, to be able to destablize and get enough contact to equalize a little bit. tips like SF, FS, JB, WB(depending), CS, and even F work well for that.
and XF would be better suited on my hell attack combo for what i need it to do

sigh.. yes yes.. everybody reads JB as being one of the worse tips for anything ever... seriously, it is about as good, if not slightly worse/better then SF, for destablizers. and SF was pretty much the best tip for those combos. believe it or not, JB is FAR better then any of the S tips. it has good movement, ok balance, and actually ok stamina. its not about me liking it at all.. it is about the fact i actually put time into discovering that it is better then everybody thinks.
guess nobody knows what destablizers are anymore XD

(again. i am sorry if i seem rude)
(and holy carp... it has been a long time since i have discussed combos... man this brings me back)

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Oh! I totally didn't know that you were using a zero-g stadium! Sorry about that.

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Those combos that I suggested will work quite well in a BB10 though, so you may want to use them sometimes. As for zero G, I do not know nearly as much about it than some of the other bladers on this site, but if you were going for sway attack with LDrago (in which I agree with Yuko ray14 that you should use XF), you may want to use a heavier wheel. Sway attackers also work MUCH better when they are spinning the same direction as their opponent, so even against non-synchrome combos, LDrago would really only work well against meteo, lightning, guardian, destroy, and dragooon (and variares and gravity if they are rotating left). However, that combo will work great to avoid being KOed by sway attack, since it can mostly cancel out right-spin sway attackers.

I am not sure about how wobbling combos perform in a zero-G stadium though. Sorry. I assume they work great for sway defense and destabilizing combos, but, as I said, I can't be sure. You may want to ask someone else about that.

For JB, I do agree about being useful for destabilizers (which, and please correct me if I'm wrong, I believe are generally right-rotating) but, even if it makes more contact than XF on a left spin combo (which it generally dosen't, when XF is launched right) When it comes down to the end of the battle, it will just topple over before your opponent, causing it to stop spinning first.
XF is actually not THAT hard to control, especially for an experienced blader like yourself. It looks like it would not maintain a flower pattern when it is launched solo, but if it makes contact on the first pass, it will continue to rush back to the same place until the target bey moves, then it may tornado stall. But as long as it makes contact first, the other bey will not allow it to straighten out from a banking position, so it will continue to attack until there is no resistance (I hope that was a clear paragraph, someone may be able to explain it better) if you know what I mean.
And, with a spin stealer, it can tornado stall anyways! When it runs out of stamina, it will simply steal spin from the opposing bey in the center, so, to some extent, it dosen't even have to make contact in the beginning of the battle.

sorry if I wrote too much again...

If there are any experienced bladers out there who find something wrong with my suggestions, please let me know, since I am not nearly as knowledgeable in the field of Zero-G as some others. Thanks!

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Oh! I totally didn't know that you were using a zero-g stadium! Sorry about that.

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if you were going for sway attack with LDrago (in which I agree with Yuko ray14 that you should use XF), you may want to use a heavier wheel. Sway attackers also work MUCH better when they are spinning the same direction as their opponent, so even against non-synchrome combos, LDrago would really only work well against meteo, lightning, guardian, destroy, and dragooon (and variares and gravity if they are rotating left). However, that combo will work great to avoid being KOed by sway attack, since it can mostly cancel out right-spin sway attackers.

I am not sure about how wobbling combos perform in a zero-G stadium though. Sorry. I assume they work great for sway defense and destabilizing combos, but, as I said, I can't be sure. You may want to ask someone else about that.

For JB, I do agree about being useful for destabilizers (which, and please correct me if I'm wrong, I believe are generally right-rotating) but, even if it makes more contact than XF on a left spin combo (which it generally dosen't, when XF is launched right) When it comes down to the end of the battle, it will just topple over before your opponent, causing it to stop spinning first.
XF is actually not THAT hard to control, especially for an experienced blader like yourself. It looks like it would not maintain a flower pattern when it is launched solo, but if it makes contact on the first pass, it will continue to rush back to the same place until the target bey moves, then it may tornado stall. But as long as it makes contact first, the other bey will not allow it to straighten out from a banking position, so it will continue to attack until there is no resistance (I hope that was a clear paragraph, someone may be able to explain it better) if you know what I mean.
And, with a spin stealer, it can tornado stall anyways! When it runs out of stamina, it will simply steal spin from the opposing bey in the center, so, to some extent, it dosen't even have to make contact in the beginning of the battle.

sorry if I wrote too much again...

If there are any experienced bladers out there who find something wrong with my suggestions, please let me know, since I am not nearly as knowledgeable in the field of Zero-G as some others. Thanks!

haha, no problem. it was my fault for not being clear on that XD

i think for my sway attack, i will stick with using hell (for some strange reason.. i just do better then it then any other wheel for any type of attack guess its my lucky wheel). thank you though, i did not know that the spin the sway attack is using is best against the same spin. i will try and make a note to use one one of my left spin wheels against people who i see usually use left spin
EDIT: haha, this is making me think of bringing back out my good ol gravity wheel.. loved that thing back when it came out

i remember the wobbling combos working out nice enough in BB-10, i thought they might be interesting in the swaying stadiums XD

very true, they do have that problem. i kinda chose it, as i feel safer with a ball shaped tip in them zero-g stadiums, then SF's shape..
i guess i will switch up the tips every once in a while from XF and JB, see what works out the best for me

thank you though. what you said was helpful

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You're very welcome!

btw. as for destablizers usually being right spin.
acutally, the first destablizer was left spin. it used the original Ldrago wheel
i believe it was: LDrago 100F?? or something close to that

after that, usually right spin was used. but left spin works just as well i believe

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Hmmm... Interesting. What would that be called? Maybe a spin-steal-destabilizer?

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infinity- Please read around a bit before suggesting combos.
He has VariAres for Attack. LF is totally useless. CS can be used for Attack when no other tips are available.
For Defence, he has 230, which works way better than SW145.

Apart from these slight errors, the combos are great. Still, just read around a bit more to make better combos.

Ah, lord Wolfblade! Nice to see you return!

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infinity- Please read around a bit before suggesting combos.
He has VariAres for Attack. LF is totally useless. CS can be used for Attack when no other tips are available.
For Defence, he has 230, which works way better than SW145.

Apart from these slight errors, the combos are great. Still, just read around a bit more to make better combos.

ah, i completely missed the VariAres. and i think CS for attack would depend on the condition, if the rubber is too worn then LF would do better since CS wont be aggressive at all. but otherwise yes, CS would be better (i missed it anyways lol) i guess my eyes fail me at times XD
thanks for correcting me Janstarblast lol i'll read around a bit more

Hmmm... Interesting. What would that be called? Maybe a spin-steal-destabilizer?

something like that.
anyways this is getting to be off topic XD

Ah, lord Wolfblade! Nice to see you return!

haha, thanks. hopefully soon i will know enough to suggest combos on this thread. as i am really rusty about these things
i rember back when it was a race to see who would suggest good combos first XD

(^and i was just talking about being off topic XD)

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btw. as for destablizers usually being right spin.
acutally, the first destablizer was left spin. it used the original Ldrago wheel
i believe it was: LDrago 100F?? or something close to that

after that, usually right spin was used. but left spin works just as well i believe

You're referring to MF L Drago 90WF, I believe: http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-The-Dest...Drago-90WF

Man ... that combo is so old now hahaha. As I state in the thread though, the idea for it can be traced back to experimentation that Brad did trying to create a "destabilizing attacker" back in 2009.

The worst part about this is that it caused people to start thinking that "destabilizers" were a type, when in reality "destabilizing" is simply an effect that any Beyblade can have depending on what height it is at relative to its opponent.

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btw. as for destablizers usually being right spin.
acutally, the first destablizer was left spin. it used the original Ldrago wheel
i believe it was: LDrago 100F?? or something close to that

after that, usually right spin was used. but left spin works just as well i believe

You're referring to MF L Drago 90WF, I believe: http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-The-Dest...Drago-90WF

Man ... that combo is so old now hahaha. As I state in the thread though, the idea for it can be traced back to experimentation that Brad did trying to create a "destabilizing attacker" back in 2009.

The worst part about this is that it caused people to start thinking that "destabilizers" were a type, when in reality "destabilizing" is simply an effect that any Beyblade can have depending on what height it is at relative to its opponent.

ahhhh yeah, knew it was something like that. and yeah, i remember when it came out. and then that flame 100sf combo it spawned XD.. wow i feel actually kinda old

lol true. i see them as attack/stamina hybrids mostly.. they are kind of a subarchtype when you think about it. cause any bey can destablize, like you said, but "destablizers" are just completely built to destablize while being a part of any of the archtypes.
what i am trying to make would be an attack/spinsteal-stamina hybrid, focused on destablizing.

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For syncrome is Goreim Reviser E230GCF good for Defense and for combos attack - Metal Face Fang Pegasis 100RF (Low tracks are Good) Stamina - Duo cancer T125 notes: Face- Any Facebolts don't use metal faces) clearwheel- it must be circular like Bull,Aquario,Horrogium or cancer it must be smooth) Metal Wheel - most recommended are Duo and Phantom but you can use earth basalt or Burn it must be circular track- try to use 230 it has a stamin here's are the recomended CH120 or T125 if you don't want that any tracks Performance tip- Use D tips like Sd WD D PD WWD for Defense - read this
What you'll need is a heavy Beyblade. For the Facebolt, anything works. What's most recommended is a Metal Face, or a MF-H. For the Clear Wheel (Energy Ring), you'll need a heavy wheel. The heaviest wheels so far is Bull, Aquario & Kerbecs. (You can do some research on the BeyWiki (WBO) and Beyblade Wikia. For the Metal Wheel (Fusion Wheel), the same thing. You need a heavy wheel. The heaviest Metal wheels are Diablo, Basalt & Earth. Again, you can go research online for heavy wheels. For the Track, you'll again need a heavy track. The heaviest Tracks so far is BD145, GB145 & TH170. Again... Do some researching around. The links below can help. Lastly, the Bottom (Performance Tip). You'll need a rubber based Bottom to withstand attacks. They'll create more friction against the stadium, making it harder to knock out. I recommend CS, RS & RSF. Now you have a strong Defense type!

For syncrome is Goreim Reviser E230GCF good for Defense and for combos attack - Metal Face Fang Pegasis 100RF (Low tracks are Good) Stamina - Duo cancer T125 notes: Face- Any Facebolts don't use metal faces) clearwheel- it must be circular like Bull,Aquario,Horrogium or cancer it must be smooth) Metal Wheel - most recommended are Duo and Phantom but you can use earth basalt or Burn it must be circular track- try to use 230 it has a stamin here's are the recomended CH120 or T125 if you don't want that any tracks Performance tip- Use D tips like Sd WD D PD WWD for Defense - read this
What you'll need is a heavy Beyblade. For the Facebolt, anything works. What's most recommended is a Metal Face, or a MF-H. For the Clear Wheel (Energy Ring), you'll need a heavy wheel. The heaviest wheels so far is Bull, Aquario & Kerbecs. (You can do some research on the BeyWiki (WBO) and Beyblade Wikia. For the Metal Wheel (Fusion Wheel), the same thing. You need a heavy wheel. The heaviest Metal wheels are Diablo, Basalt & Earth. Again, you can go research online for heavy wheels. For the Track, you'll again need a heavy track. The heaviest Tracks so far is BD145, GB145 & TH170. Again... Do some researching around. The links below can help. Lastly, the Bottom (Performance Tip). You'll need a rubber based Bottom to withstand attacks. They'll create more friction against the stadium, making it harder to knock out. I recommend CS, RS & RSF. Now you have a strong Defense type!

First off, I can hardly understand what you said.
Secondly, it seems like you are playing Q&A with yourself.
Moreover, all the answers that you gave to yourself are wrong. Try again next time.

So first, read around the Forums.

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are these bey combos any goodarth Fox 125WD and Death Phoenix WD145XF

Nope, they are not too good.

The Earth combo is heavily outclassed; because Earth itself is a heavily outclassed Stamina wheel.

The Death combo....
Well, what do you intend to use it for?
It wouldn't Attack too well, as XF isn't that good for Attack (nor is Death an Attack wheel, but looking at Meow!'s new find, I'll not be sure of it)
It would suck at Defense as XF has no grip.
Its only Stamina would come from Tornado Stalling. It might be suitable enough for that. However, WD145's recoil would cause a severe Stamina loss. Plus, there are better Tornado Stalling combos.

The Death combo seems like a truly confused combo. You've put in things from all types, but it works well in none.

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can u make me a combo with duo ice-titan

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plz

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can u make me a combo with duo ice-titan

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plz

you must list the parts you own for us to help you out

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6 God is watching and I hope you're prepared to face him

plz

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duo ice titan 230wd

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