Hey guys! I've noticed something in the last few days. Balro is one of my favorite wheels, and I love it when it is synchromed with itself, but I have been looking around and the only place someone tried it with itself on a rubber attack tip was in it's testing thread, and it was only tested once! I LOVE balro balro on R2F/RF, so I decide to do some tests and put it out there. Thanks guys!

ATTENTION!: These test were done with a WORN R2F, just out of its prime. The OSes that you see are much less likely to happen with a newer performance tip. It will be significantly harder for this combo to OS with a prime/new one. It will also have greater attack power when switched out with a prime/new one. It would be great if you guys could test this out with a better R2F. Thanks! (I also spelled results as resluts in the poll. Sorry 'bout that! )

The concept:

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The concept of this combo is simple. Hit stuff really, really hard until it flies out of the stadium. This combo can have an extrodinary ammount of smash, but the launch is very precise and requires a lot of practice. It is not very good at KOing late. However, if launched right, it can prove to be a very effective attacker while its spin velocity is still high. Although I am not suggesting that this combo is near top-tier, I thought that Balro deserved a little more consideration for attack.

The launch is absolutely crucial to this combo's performance. You must use a deep-banking sliding-shoot. The combo must not slide all the way to the wall. Just a slight push forward. If done correctly, balro may lean over and hit it's opponent at an angle when contact is first made, resulting in a massive release of force. Though this is kinda hard to pull off, it is stunningly effective.

This combo can also be switched between 120 height and 145 height. Believe it or not, I have found that 120 actually works slightly better for raw smash. I only use 145 for dealing with E230 or other tall tracks. This combo seems to be seriously degraded in terms of performance when it is not tightened, and it can come unscrewed very easily. Therefore, I suggest tightening this combo all the way after every single spin.

Testing videos:

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Tests:

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Benchmark:

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Flash Orion GB145R2F vs. Reviser Reviser BD145RDF
Prime R2F. Pretty worn RDF. Reviser launched first on all launches.
Orion: wins, 14/20 (All KO)
Reviser: wins, 6/20 (All OS)
Flash Orion GB145R2F win rate: 70%

Allright, I don't know if I got really lucky, or if my launch was spontaneously awesome today, but flash crushed it. (This really did happen! but I don't think my launch is usually this great. I would usually hit a 55-60% win rate against this. )

Vs. Defense:

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Balro Balro CH120R2F vs. Reviser Reviser BD145RDF
worn R2F. Almost brand new RDF. Balro at 120 height. Reviser launched first on all launches.
Balro: wins, 20/20 (12 KO, 8 OS)
Reviser: wins, 0/20
Balro Balro CH120R2F win rate: 100%

This would probably not OS reviser with a new R2F, but not sure.

Balro Balro CH120R2F vs. Reviser Reviser BD145CS
Worn R2F. Worn CS. Balro at 120 height. Reviser launched first on all launches.
Balro: wins, 20/20 (16 KO, 4 OS)
Reviser: wins, 0/20
Balro Balro CH120R2F win rate: 100%

Again, OSes were due to R2F's wear.

Balro Balro CH145R2F vs. Reviser Reviser E230CS
Balro, wins, 20/20 (8 KO, 12 OS)
Reviser: wins, 0/20
Balro Balro CH120R2F win rate: 100%

Need I say it again?

Vs. Attack:

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Balro Balro CH120R2F vs. Flash Orion GB145R2F
Both R2Fs worn. Balro at 120 Height. Beys alternated launching first.
Balro: wins, 12/20 (All KO)
Orion: wins, 8/20 (All KO)
Balro Balro CH120R2F win rate: 60%

Balro's weight won it, but not by much.

Balro Balro CH120R2F vs. Wyvang Wyvang SA165R2F (not attack mode??)
Both R2F's worn. Beys alternated launching first.
Balro: wins, 12/20 ( 10 KO, 2 OS)
Wyvang: wins, 8/20 (2 KO, 6 OS)
Balro Balro CH120R2F win rate: 60%

By request from Diblee123. This combo wasn't actually half bad. It had a sort of anit-attack effect. It did pretty well.

Vs. Stamina:

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Balro Balro CH120R2F vs. Phantom Cancer AD145WD
worn R2F. Balro at 120 height. Cancer launched first on all launches.
Balro: wins, 18/20 (All KO)
Cancer: wins, 2/20 (1 KO, 1 OS)
Balro Balro CH120R2F win rate: 90%

Cancer's two wins were both due to wall saves.

Vs. anti-attack:

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Balro Balro CH120R2F vs. Diablo Kerbecs BD145RF
Worn R2F. New RF. Balro at 120 height. Beys alternated launching first.
Balro: wins, 12/20 (4 KO, 8 OS)
Kerbecs: wins, 8/20 (4 KO, 4 OS)
Balro Balro CH120R2F win rate: 60%

It handled anti-attack pretty well for an attack type, actually.

Vs. Left-spin:

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Balro Balro CH120R2F vs. Wyvang Dragooon SA165R2F (Attack mode)
Both R2Fs worn. Balro at 120 height. Beys alternated launching first.
Balro: wins, 0/20
Dragooon: wins, 20/20 (All OS)
Balro Balro CH120R2F win rate: 0%

Dragooon totally ran over this thing. I tried it at its 145 height, and it did even worse.

Balro Balro CH120R2F vs. Reviser Dragooon BD145RDF
Worn R2F. Almost brand new RDF. Balro at 120 height. Dragooon launched first on all launches.
Balro: wins, 8/20 (All KO)
Dragooon: wins, 12/20 (All OS)
Balro Balro CH120R2F win rate: 40%

It didn't do too great against left-spin defense. However, it may have hit a higher win rate with a better R2F.

Balro Balro CH120R2F vs. Reviser Dragooon SA165WD (didn't have EWD. Sorry )
worn R2F. Balro at 120 height. Dragooon launched first on all launches.
Balro: wins, 18/20 (All KO)
Dragooon: wins, 2/20 (1 KO, 1 OS)
Balro Balro CH120R2F win rate: 90%

Dragooon's wins were both crazy wall saves. I just realized that these results are identical to the results from Phatnom Cancer AD145WD. That's kinda funny.

Balro Balro CH120R2F vs. Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF
Dragooon launched first on all launches.
Balro: wins, 10/20 (9 KO, 1 OS)
Dragooon: wins, 10/20 (All OS)
Balro Balro CH120R2F win rate: 50%

My tests seem to be cursed with wall saves. Dragooon got quite a few. I don't know if it was wyvang, or if my launch was just better this time.

Balro Balro CH120R2F vs Reviser Dragooon SA165RDF (normal mode)
Dragooon launched first on all launches.
Balro: wins, 0/20
Dragooon: wins, 20/20 (19 OS, 1 KO)
Balro Balro CH120R2F win rate: 0%

Despite it's great ability to KO, this combo seems to have a serious problem with left-spin defense. Though it can take down stuff like Reviser Reviser BD145RDF even with a worn R2F, it just can't seem to KO left-spin defense consistently. Dragooon was a combo from another thread of mine, and is built to be a left-spin defense/spin equalizer that is immune to "push" KO. It completely crushed Balro.

Counters:

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_____ Dragooon SA165 RF/R2F/LRF (Attack mode)

Hope you guys like this!

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These tests are unreal, haha. I find it weird it got a better win rate against Defence than stamina.

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I was hoping someone would test Barlo^2 eventually! Nice tests. Could you test your combo against MSF-H Wyvang Dragooon BD145/SA165 RDF? I want to see if that makes any difference compared to Revizer (BD145)

These tests are unreal, haha. I find it weird it got a better win rate against Defence than stamina.

Yah, it's kinda funny! It's just 'cause my R2F is worn. It can OS better. As for thunderdome's request, I am literally already testing that as we speak (or type ).

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Can you add some benchmark results in your first post, with Flash for instance ?

Can you add some benchmark results in your first post, with Flash for instance ?

Oh! Yes ma'am... I did some and then forgot to post them!

Here is thunderdome's test

Balro Balro CH120R2F vs. Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF
Dragooon launched first on all launches.
Balro: wins, 10/20 (9 KO, 1 OS)
Dragooon: wins, 10/20 (All OS)
Balro Balro CH120R2F win rate: 50%

My tests seem to be cursed with wall saves. Dragooon got quite a few. I don't know if it was wyvang, or if my launch was just better this time.

This next test was a request frome Diblee123. He can't post on the thread, but I'm gonna put this on just for him!

Balro Balro CH120R2F vs. Wyvang Wyvang SA165R2F (not attack mode??)
Both R2F's worn. Beys alternated launching first.
Balro: wins, 12/20 ( 10 KO, 2 OS)
Wyvang: wins, 8/20 (2 KO, 6 OS)
Balro Balro CH120R2F win rate: 60%

This combo wasn't actually half bad. It had a sort of anit-attack effect. It did
pretty well.

Allright, here is my last test of the day. I cannot do any tests tommorow, but you guys are welcome to!

Balro Balro CH120R2F vs Reviser Dragooon SA165RDF (normal mode)
Dragooon launched first on all launches.
Balro: wins, 0/20
Dragooon: wins, 20/20 (19 OS, 1 KO)
Balro Balro CH120R2F win rate: 0%

Despite it's great ability to KO, this combo seems to have a serious problem with left-spin defense. Though it can take down stuff like Reviser Reviser BD145RDF even with a worn R2F, it just can't seem to KO left-spin defense consistently. Dragooon was a combo from another thread of mine, and is built to be a left-spin defense/spin equalizer that is immune to "push" KO. It completely crushed Balro.

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How is it that Balro Balro got 50% winrate against Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF, but got 0% against Reviser Dragooon SA165R2F? SA165 is taller and less obtrusive than BD145. From my informal testing, it had much much less defense than BD145.

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How is it that Balro Balro got 50% winrate against Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF, but got 0% against Reviser Dragooon SA165R2F? SA165 is taller and less obtrusive than BD145. From my informal testing, it had much much less defense than BD145.

My guess would bee that because it is a worn R2F it's not very fast so an attack type in the opposite spin could defeat it, and because RDF does not move much it did not get in the way of balro's attacks. But then again this is just my theory to what happened.

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How is it that Balro Balro got 50% winrate against Wyvang Dragooon BD145RDF, but got 0% against Reviser Dragooon SA165R2F? SA165 is taller and less obtrusive than BD145. From my informal testing, it had much much less defense than BD145.

Ummm... I didn't test it against that. If you meant Reviser Dragooon SA165RDF, then read this:

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From all my tests, SA165 has generally better defense against opposite spin opponents. I am by no means saying that SA165 has better overall defense than BD145. That would be absurd. BD145 has WAY better defense against same-spin opponents. No question about that.

I just think that when paired with RDF, SA165 can resist push KO better than BD145. I already did a video about it in another thread, and SA165 did way better against opposite spin.

But everyone else seems to be getting different results! I think my SA165 (or BD145) may have a manufacturing flaw. If you'd like, I can refrain from doing tests with SA165 until I get a new one. I am being completely honest and simply posting what happens when I launch the beys. It would be great if someone could validate this, though. Then I could see if I am doing/using something wrong.

If you meant Wyvang Dragooon SA165R2F, then read this.

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Dragooon just slammed into it from head on, stopped it in its tracks, and then OSed it. Nothing special.

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Allright guys! the video is up!

EDIT: Oops! double post! Sorry...

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Nice video. Could anyone test this with a good R2F that's not worn? I know the results will be different, but I'm wondering how much it will affect it.

This combo looks like a great smash attacker. Thanks for all the tests you did. I thought Wywang Wywang would crush this. Does Wywang have more smash than Balro?

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Can you redo my request but with a few changes? I think Wywang might have made less metal contact because 165 is higher than 120, could you do it with MSF-H Wywang Wywang 125/CH120R2F?

This combo looks like a great smash attacker. Thanks for all the tests you did. I thought Wywang Wywang would crush this. Does Wywang have more smash than Balro?

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Can you redo my request but with a few changes? I think Wywang might have made less metal contact because 165 is higher than 120, could you do it with MSF-H Wywang Wywang 125/CH120R2F?

Oh, totally, Wyvang has more smash. This is mainly to test Balro for smash attributes to see if it could be useful to someone who doesn't have wyvang, or just doesn't want to use it.

Wyvang made plenty of metal-to-metal contact. IMO, CH120 is simply more stable than SA165, so when they made contact, balro suffered less recoil.

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Did you tried this with Phoenic Balro?

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Did you tried this with Phoenic Balro?

I don't have phoenic, but I have tried it with my friend's and Gryph Balro works a little better. I am starting to regret pairing Balro with itself in this thread. It is much more effective when paired with Gryph.

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If someone can try with phoenic would be great, because balro is the best chrome wheel to use it with

Really great that gryph works great with it, it's nice to have options! : D

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So can you try again with MSF-H Wywang Wywang 125R2F?

So can you try again with MSF-H Wywang Wywang 125R2F?

Since both beys would be taking the same ammount of force, and Wyvang is heavier (with more stamina), Wyvang would probably either KO or OS, but I might be able to try it. I wouldn't have it done for a while, though. Could someone else test this?

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Can you test against scythe 100rs

Can you test against scythe 100rs

don't have a scythe. I think that would probably lose to this, though, since Balro is so devastating when it hits at an angle. Do you think some of you guys could test this thing out for dragonrage?

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since it went out like that, try testing the same thing with dragooon instead one of the balros.

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mmmmh... try MSF Saramanda^2 SA165MF or if you prefer a "tested" combo, use your own Girago/Revizer Girago SA165MF

BAHAMDIA Master: if I remember when I used Balro, it exposes more contact points with itself, Phoenic or gryph (for example) than with Dragooon, and this is pure smash, if it uses Dragooon and it works, it will only be another variation of the Dragooon smash+spin equalizer combos

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Allright, I'll try it! That combo usually gets high results against same-spin attackers, but I think since balro is so dangerous when it hits at an angle, and girago will be significantly taller, balro will probably just fling it out of the stadium.

results:

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Balro Balro CH120R2F vs Reviser Girago SA165MF (attack mode)
Girago launched first on all launches. Worn R2F
Balro: wins, 14/20 (13 KO, 1OS)
Girago: wins, 6/20 (1 KO, 5 OS)
Balro Balro CH120R2F win rate: 70%

Balro is just absolutely devastating when it hits at an angle. When it got a good hit on it, it sent Girago across the room. There were quite a few wall saves too. Maybe enough that Balro could've hit an 80% win rate, but wall saves are just a part of the testing. This Girago combo usually does great against attackers, but balro destroyed it. I think this thing does great when the opponent's height is significantly different, so as to hit at an angle. CH120 can be used to this advantage, since you can switch to a height that is farther removed from your opponent's.

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Reviser Girago pretty much gets destroyed if it battles hardcore attackers. Anyways, how would this do against a RB defender?

Reviser Girago pretty much gets destroyed if it battles hardcore attackers. Anyways, how would this do against a RB defender?

Actually, no it doesn't. Girago beats flash just about every time. I haven't tested it against many synchrome attackers, though.

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