Tests were done, it is in the OP. It did very badly:

MF Basalt Rex B:D vs MF Basalt Kerbex 230 CS
MF Basalt Rex B:D : 4OS 2KO
MF Basalt Kerbex 230 CS: 2OS 2KO
Win Rate: 6:4 (%60)

MF Basalt Rex B:D vs MF Basalt Kerbex BD145 CS
MF Basalt Rex B:D : 0 (0 Wins)
MF Basalt Kerbex BD145 CS : 5KO 5OS (10 Wins)
Win Rate: 0:10 (0%)

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Another set of tests:

Phantom Orion (Stamina Mode) B: D vs. MF-H Basalt Kerbecs 230 CS
Phantom Orion B: D: 9 wins (9 OS)
MF-H Basalt Kerbecs 230 CS: 1 win (1 KO)
B: D win percentage: 90%

Phantom Orion (Stamina Mode) B: D vs. MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145 CS
Phantom Orion B: D: 5 wins (5 OS)
MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145 CS: 5 win (5 KO)
B: D win percentage: 50%

** CS was semi aggressive

Phantom Orion (Stamina Mode) B: D vs. MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145 MB
Phantom Orion B: D: 3 wins (1 OS, 2 KO)
MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145 MB: 7 win (7 KO)
B: D win percentage: 30%

** MB was launched with a heavy banking.

Phantom Orion (Stamina Mode) B: D vs. MF-H Basalt Kerbecs 230 MF
Phantom Orion B: D: 6 wins (6 OS)
MF-H Basalt Kerbecs 230 MF: 4 win (4 KO)
B: D win percentage: 60%

** MF was launched with a heavy banking.

Phantom Orion (Stamina Mode) B: D vs. MF-L Scythe Bull BD145 CS (Stamina Mode)
Phantom Orion B: D: 8 wins (8 OS)
MF-L Scythe Bull BD145 CS: 2 win (2 OS)
B: D win percentage: 80%

** This was interesting in a way that Scythe managed to actually get under Phantom, and throw it off balance from time to time.

Phantom Orion B: D (Stamina Mode) B: D vs. MF-H VariAres R145 RF (Right Spin)
Phantom Orion B: D B: D: 2 wins (1 OS, 1 KO)
MF-H VariAres R145 RF: 8 win (8 KO)
B: D win percentage: 20%

Phantom Orion B: D (Stamina Mode) B: D vs. MF-H VariAres R145 RSF (Right Spin)
Phantom Orion B: D B: D: 4 wins (4 OS)
MF-H VariAres R145 RSF: 6 win (6 KO)
B: D win percentage: 40%

Phantom Orion B: D (Stamina Mode) B: D vs. MF-H VariAres R145 MF (Right Spin)
Phantom Orion B: D B: D: 2 wins (2 OS)
MF-H VariAres R145 RSF: 8 win (8 KO)
B: D win percentage: 20%


After approximately 6 hours of gameplay over the course of 2 days. I tested the solo spin for B: D again, and the average for it did increase to 5:48 from the previous 5:35 when it was brand new. An increase of 13 seconds. It's not much, but at least, it's something.

VariAres and Scythe variants are shooting down this thing.

I really wonder now how MB would do on Phantom..

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I personally dislike doing generalization like this, but in the case of being paired with B: D, it's quite safe to assume that:

Phantom > Scythe.

Disclaimer should be added: This is realized after my own tests, which is personal to a certain degree. Other players might get different results.

But if we look throughout the thread, we will see the disclaimer is probably true. A huge role-playing factor is the Core, I feel as if it centralizes Phantom.

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Another set of tests:

Phantom Orion (Stamina Mode) B: D vs. MF-H Basalt Kerbecs 230 CS
Phantom Orion B: D: 9 wins (9 OS)
MF-H Basalt Kerbecs 230 CS: 1 win (1 KO)
B: D win percentage: 90%

This is interesting. I did the same tests and found that Phantom Orion B:D constantly was outspun and pushed down by Basalt. On the other hand, while it didn't have success against 230, it did well against Basalt TH170CS at any height.

Anyways, here are my out-of-the-box solo spin times for my Phantom Orions:

Attack Stadium
BeyLauncher (Black String, Blue) + Launcher Grip

Phantom Orion B:D 1 (A2)
3:24
3:52
4:00
3:25
3:43

Phantom Orion B:D 2 (A1)
6:06
6:30
5:56
5:16
6:01

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What is the second one's "Mold''?

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What is the second one's "Mold''?

You mean the number on the inside of the tip of B:D? A1. The other one is A2.

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Kei: the 230 CS was just straight shot, not banked at all. I'm certain if I had banked it, like I did with the 230 MF, the result would probably be in Basalt's favor.

I was concerned of excessive wear-down of my CS via bank-shots.

Now I can confirm these molds. :anger:

Kei, as you mentioned in the Phantom discussion, you said that B:D was all not good well an you try similar tests but using B:D shot in this method?:

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I've seen something now that I would never think Metal Fight Beyblade would do. It is pretty huge, but I did not think it would be hell of a versatile tactic. What will come before us within the near future? Anyway, hopefully I can stay on the discussion here; but I am seeing a huge threat do to current Top-Tier combinations. Type, doesn't matter; I am seeing B:D use its bearing like an animal using its own features for survival. We are proving Stamina in the Solo-Spin Tests, correct? The bearing, it is able to do what? It is able to take a 360 Degree turn to its advantage. It is as if the Beyblade is spinning two different directions.

Quick to the point: By shooting B:D on its side, it can stall on its bearing, making more stamina!

What am I exactly saying? I am saying when the bearing is on its side, has been activated, it is able to regenerate rotations. Is that even possible? Surely it is, as yesterday I took Shabalabadoo's suggestion experiment, and performed it. What was done? In able to prove that this was true, I took Phantom Orion and held the bottom bearing, and moved myself in a 360 Degree angle. Normally, that spin in a stadium would last about 8 seconds, as tested by comparison. While I was holding the bearing myself and moving back in forth, I was able to hit 34 seconds. Clearly, I saw that it would be the friction solving this problem. Taking a look with advanced measures, I was able to distinguish the two: exposure. Within the stadium floor, I checked for any obstructions opposed to my test. Taking any measure possible to help me, I was able to find a clear similarity: spin patterns.

Factors causing this to work:

• B:D will release its bearing when there is low spin
  
• There will be only friction within B:D itself
  
• Left Spinning Beyblades have no chance; they aid the counter smash by increasing the top hemisphere's spin the other direction as to the bearing
  

Each pattern consisted of such: [A. Spinning on sharp B. Tip over to bearing C. Sliding on bearing, bearing spins]..

With a plain shot [to the half-minute]: A-A-A-B-C-A-A-A-C-B-C

With a shot parallel to the 25 Degree angle of the stadium slope: C-C-B-B-B-B-B-A-A-C-B

Q and A

Q: What do you mean?
A: When the B:D is shot to a parallel angle of the stadium slope. there is a quick slide against the stadium. This causes a huge stress onto the mechanism inside, the bearing itself is rotating to fast.

Q: Okay, it goes fast, you point?
A: The weight and speed down force is a huge factor. While the bearing may only be spinning 300 RPM, the top hemisphere of the Beyblade is spinning 6,000 RPM.

Q: So what does that effect lead to?
A: Much, much more Defense. This is counter smashing. At points even, when a Beyblade Attacker such as VariAres or Lightning L-Drago are left spinning the bearing and the top hemisphere are moving two different directions.

Hypothesis: By shooting a B:D variant on its side weakly, with a Metal Wheel of proper aerodynamic, the bearing will activate much faster because there will be even less friction between the bearing and the core of B:D itself.

Control: Metal Wheel over 40 G, no Basalt [There's a gap and that does not agree with the hypothesis]..

Tests for Plain shot:

Scythe Kronos B:D VS. Phantom Orion AD145EDS
Scythe Wins: 1
Phantom Wins: 19
Scythe Win%Age: 5%

Scythe Kronos B:D VS. Phantom Orion [Attack] AD145EDS
Scythe Wins: 3
Phantom Wins: 17
Scythe Win%Age: 15%

Phantom Orion B:D VS. Scythe Kronos BD145EDS
Phantom Wins: 18
Scythe Wins: 2

Tests [Weak, angle shot]:

Scythe Kronos B:D VS. Phantom Orion AD145EDS
Scythe Wins: 20
Phantom Wins: 0
Scythe Win%Age: 100%

Scythe Kronos B:D VS. Phantom Orion [Attack] AD145EDS
Scythe Wins: 19
Phantom Wins: 1
Scythe Win%Age: 95%

Phantom Orion B:D VS. Scythe Kronos BD145EDS
Phantom Wins: 18
Scythe Wins: 2

Eh, this last test was so and so..

Conclusion: By performing an angled shot that would allow B:D to activate itself easier, there is more counter attacking because there is literally no friction; the bearing on the bottom is stable. While it is an easy factor to control, wheels like Basalt will not work because Balance is a huge issue to to its gap. While, with an even out wheel like Scythe and its PC Frame, there is much destabilizing against pure Stamina types.

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Humongous explanation.....

huh?

You meant weak launch + bank is better for scythe and phantom right?

That was a quote from like page 8 or something, and yes that's what I mean..

Not too weak..

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All these tests have been interesting but I haven't seen any testing between B:D and a generic top tier stamina track and bottom combination that uses the same metal wheel.
So if you don't mind my asking could someone test Earth B:D vs Earth AD145WD?

I can try doing that, will do soon.

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Alright, well I got Phantom a few days ago and decided to do a number of out of box solo spin test to see if I got a good B:D. I also attempted the weak launch + banking shot afterwards but didn't get impressive results falling 1 - 2 minutes shorter than normal launching so I decided to quit recording those although I shall post the ones i did do.
Here are my results:

Attack Stadium
Beylauncher + Launcher Grip


Phantom Orion B:D

1. 6.12
2. 6.02
3. 6.38
4. 6.31
5. 6.09

With an average time of 6.18 minutes.

And my 'attempt' at the weak launch + bank

1. 5.43
2. 4.54

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Anyone find it ironic how everyone though B:D would be amazing when it turned out to only be very good when used with Phantom?

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Someone tell me why does bassalt +B is not good.

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I'm Batman.

It goes off balance because of Basalt's staircase of death ?

How easy is it for b:d to go off balance? Does it get destabilized a lot?

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I'm Batman.

That should be a good thing because if B : D goes off balance then it will wobble onto its bearing and stall for some extra added stamina

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B:D has ridiculously good balance guys what are you saying. Have you not seen LeeDraciel's video, or just plain don't have Phantom Orion B:D?

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Well, I just did some tests.

Basalt Horogium B:D VS Basalt Horogium 145WD
Standard Procedures
B:D Win Rate - 90% (3KO, 6OS)

I don't know if this helps or not or what.

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Well, I just did some tests.

Basalt Horogium B VS Basalt Horogium 145WD
Standard Procedures
B Win Rate - 90% (3KO, 6OS)

I don't know if this helps or not or what.

Test it against Basalt Aquario 85WD, if you have the parts. It will prove considerably more than Horogium 145.

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That just proves B has more stamina than WD, which we already know. Basalt on 85 is complete trash, I'd recommend Earth 85/100WD/EDS.

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So, Basalt B VS Earth 85WD and Basalt WD? OK.

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