At this point, I think anybody who is active and "alert" enough on this board to read announcements has read this whole conversation by now anyway, since it escalated so much. That would not be a reasonable excuse not to post an announcement if it was a new rule, but a clarification on a rule that already exists and that, as you wrote, has always been vague and voluntarily so, is not enough for me to make a whole announcement thread just for it.
We have a lot of much bigger updates coming up in the next weeks, so if you absolutely insist, I could write ten words maximum on that, in whatever the next topic announces.
By the way, keep in mind that announcement topics appear directly on the portal too, which, even if nobody uses it, serves as a newsfeed, for Beyblade, and about the World Beyblade Organization too, mostly as the sanctioning body for Beyblade tournaments that we are. As such, if you were doing announcement threads, you would always have to remember that the post would show up there, in the history of announcements, and you have to wonder if it is relevant, etc. Personally, that is why I do not create topics exclusively to announce new staff members either : if ever someone was just looking at our portal to get news of how we are doing, their reaction would just be : "OK. Let's move on."
Believe me, not everyone has seen this. It's easy to assume so being involved, but yeah, there are plenty of people who aren't aware.
If you write ten words on it in the next announcement, and don't warn anyone in the mean time (just nudge them to say it's not okay and/or delete their posts), that would be absolutely ideal. It was something I was going to suggest, you must excuse me, it's hard to keep a clear head replying to three people at once!
I do have minor concerns about people not noticing that, but I am not going to be unreasonable, it is the simplest solution to everyone's major concerns here.
For the one or two times it is unlikely to happen in the mean time, yes, we will just attach Moderator Notices.
Does nobody get a relief when they see they got a Moderator Notice, but then check their warning level to realise that it remains unchanged ? I cannot really remember where the discussion on that was at this point in this thread, but we do Moderator Notices in order not to do an actual post in the topic that would derail it, and actually increase our postcount just for that. As far as I know, people get an automatic private message when they get a Moderator Notice, so it is just like me sending someone a private message to give them a verbal "warning", but because of the words "Moderator Notice", it is clear that I do not just want to discuss whatever; the subject is serious.
We take different considerations for users who may not be familiar with the rules or the forum's etiquette - I think you greatly misinterpreted my post to the point of assuming that we hold new users to the same standard as Veterans, which is not entirely the case - we are more lenient, but in different ways. Before warnings are given to new users, their post counts, previous mod notices, etc. are all observed and taken into consideration, as well as their general posting habits.
I will not private message my reprimands, in most cases. We have always told people not to do bad things publically, and for a very fantastic reason: people reading that post from then on will see that it was wrong, and will not do it again. If you have a problem living with your forum-based crimes(whether you see them as such or not) or being accused and judged publically, too bad. You will receive no special treatment in this particular regard from me. If you think it's a personal attack, you're incorrect. I hold a great deal of respect for you, as an individual and contributor, but you are not getting anything in the way of special benefits.
Warnings, calling people out, and mod notices are all infinitely more effective means of information spreading than private messaging someone about their crimes as if I am ashamed to be reprimanding them - supplemented with the announcement, not as a replacement for it.
No one has any reason to be afraid of me if they abide the rules - I do not warn without just cause, and my warnings are scrutinized in precisely the same manner as other CM's. Any time another CM has an issue with one of my warnings, it is discussed and dealt with. Judging by the scarcity of this occurrence, however, I believe it is appropriate to state that its necessity is not up for interpretation by those without the ability to actually see warnings, their reasons, or understand the considerations taken for them. I am not standing trial before you to lay out the reason for all of my warnings, and hell cannot get cold enough, by freezing over or otherwise, to convince me that it is ever necessary to do so.
I used to hand out 10+ warnings a day, all perfectly legitimate warnings, all for rule breaks. Now, I do not hand out as many in a week, most of the time. Yet, somehow, people refuse to look at reality, and would rather conjure up strawmen. It would be nice if people could see I'm actually handing out one of the lowest warning counts, now, and giving the most second chances, and erasing the most posts. I guess that's hard to see for the userbase, but then, it's literally impossible for them to see any of this, so any judgement they have is rendered pretty meaningless, in my eyes - I cannot further rectify behavior that has already been rectified as far as is reasonable.
As for image macros, you're trying to sell me banana oil, and I'm not buying it.
Hopefully that will be the end of this discussion, because I really have lost all interest in continuing this completely meaningless back and forth. Everything I have just stated is final, and it would be nothing short of entirely circular to continue.
... I think we had reached a stagnant point already, so yes, everyone should stop now.
I'd already typed the message, I just went away to eat and came back and Post Reply.
Warn't entirely aware it'd gone on and on in such a fashion. My apologies.
(Mar. 25, 2012 6:48 PM)Hazel Wrote: [ -> ]We take different considerations for users who may not be familiar with the rules or the forum's etiquette - I think you greatly misinterpreted my post to the point of assuming that we hold new users to the same standard as Veterans, which is not entirely the case - we are more lenient, but in different ways. Before warnings are given to new users, their post counts, previous mod notices, etc. are all observed and taken into consideration, as well as their general posting habits.
Good, but it's still not enough at times.
Quote:I will not private message my reprimands, in most cases. We have always told people not to do bad things publically, and for a very fantastic reason: people reading that post from then on will see that it was wrong, and will not do it again. If you have a problem living with your forum-based crimes(whether you see them as such or not) or being accused and judged publically, too bad. You will receive no special treatment in this particular regard from me. If you think it's a personal attack, you're incorrect. I hold a great deal of respect for you, as an individual and contributor, but you are not getting anything in the way of special benefits.
I expect no special benefits, but the fact is you've called me out over things twice, and it seems more than a little opportunistic that you do so. I don't intentionally break rules, you know this, and perhaps you should consider it more strongly, as well as considering the consequences of your own actions. I may not be great at that myself, but my name isn't blue, is it?.
Quote:Warnings, calling people out, and mod notices are all infinitely more effective means of information spreading than private messaging someone about their crimes as if I am ashamed to be reprimanding them - supplemented with the announcement, not as a replacement for it.
If that is your attitude, then you're responsible for the results thereof. I'd consider more diplomatic means that have been taken in the past by certain committee members much more suitable and just as effective, however.
There's still the fact that the ruling you decided to call me out on was not clear, and it was, as far as I'm aware, the first time you did so, despite others having done it. Even you said posts are usually just quietly deleted.
Take off the steel capped boots and try resolving things more quietly, as you have advised me to do, is what I'm trying to say here.
Quote:No one has any reason to be afraid of me if they abide the rules - I do not warn without just cause, and my warnings are scrutinized in precisely the same manner as other CM's. Any time another CM has an issue with one of my warnings, it is discussed and dealt with. Judging by the scarcity of this occurrence, however, I believe it is appropriate to state that its necessity is not up for interpretation by those without the ability to actually see warnings, their reasons, or understand the considerations taken for them. I am not standing trial before you to lay out the reason for all of my warnings, and hell cannot get cold enough, by freezing over or otherwise, to convince me that it is ever necessary to do so.
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As long as they are aware of every rule that you are (even those that aren't/weren't in the rules page), and you do seem to be infinitely more familiar with these rules than others. I have to watch every single post I make carefully out of concern of you leaping on it, so I'm more than a little concerned about what others might be dealing with.
Let's stay away from religious themes here, hey? As much as I think it would be amusing to mention a few things there, it's not really an appropriate line of discourse for this community.
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I used to hand out 10+ warnings a day, all perfectly legitimate warnings, all for rule breaks. Now, I do not hand out as many in a week, most of the time. Yet, somehow, people refuse to look at reality, and would rather conjure up strawmen. It would be nice if people could see I'm actually handing out one of the lowest warning counts, now, and giving the most second chances, and erasing the most posts. I guess that's hard to see for the userbase, but then, it's literally impossible for them to see any of this, so any judgement they have is rendered pretty meaningless, in my eyes - I cannot further rectify behavior that has already been rectified as far as is reasonable.
Perhaps if you stopped acting like the the iron-clad fist of the law, people wouldn't treat you like that.
Don't get me wrong, I'm perfectly aware your warning counts have dropped since a particular point, but your warnings are not the issue, your attitude and behaviour is, and always has been, the prime concern. Hopefully you can take that as honest criticism rather than jealousy or any sort of sleight. I would do so via private message, but, well, we've all seen what's happened with that in the past.
Perhaps, even, you should not dismiss the idea of further transparency, if you believe it could help so much?
Quote:As for image macros, you're trying to sell me banana oil, and I'm not buying it.
It's very hard to explain something to someone who won't consider the possibility that you might actually not be lying.
I'm not foolish enough to do so, but I am hopeful enough that you might even consider looking past your own opinions for a change.
-V: I did not see that post before replying, so sorry for this.
I still have some lingering issues over the way this was handled, but I will stop now.
I'm not stating you're lying. I'm saying you have an opinion I do not share, and will not share. I understand perfectly what you're trying to say, I just know it has nothing to do with my perception. You can argue all day and night that the characters depicted in macros have meaning, but I do not agree that that meaning is relevant.
You cannot badger someone who hates ketchup into liking ketchup by saying "like ketchup" over and over again.
I am saying that it is something I consider before posting any image like that, and as I was the person you called out on it, I'm saying that quite simply, your assumption that it was a thoughtless one-liner post was incorrect.
This is not about whether or not you perceive these meanings, I understand quite clearly you do not, however, you should understand that at least one person does, and that is the person whom you called out for posting them mindlessly.
Yeah, it's unreasonable to expect you to figure that out yourself, but I've explained it multiple times.
I guess I dos till want to say that I don't think the rule is sensible and there are better ways you could spend your time than preventing people posting pictures instead of long posts, but I am glad to see that it will at least be made clear via an announcement, and hope that this will be kept in mind for future clarifications and rule changes, and this discussion is long past dead.
That is it. You two can take that into private messages if you want, but the core of the issue was settled, and the rest is entirely between you two.
All that matters is what we see. We cannot go around assuming everyone wrote a doctoral thesis about their image of rainbow dash grinning with some insipid text under her chin.
I can type the word "butts" after pondering the meaning of each letter and every facet of the verbal implications and societal responses to the word.
If the word "butts" is all I typed, then I genuinely hope to get warned for it.
That was hilarious with the warning there, I must admit, despite the implications.
I was in the midst of editing my post when you and Kai-V replied, so that's done now, I just want to point it out, and hope this post is not any violation of the "stop" order
Oh, and Kai-V: As for the "relief of not being warned and just getting a moderator note"- from what I've been told, the initial shock and fear is not worth the relief.
I added the Mod Notice to see if I would get a Mod Notice alert if I attached a Mod Notice to myself.
I did not.
Mod Notice.
It certainly added to the humour, in my opinion. Hopefully, I've done nothing to discourage your sense of humour either, you are still one of the most amusing members of the site.
Now you've piqued my curiosity:
Do you get a notice if another committee member attaches a mod notice to your post?
Can they even do that?
I forget, too, was it just Brad who has the unwarnable account or is that a committee-member thing too?
Users who have their usergroup set to Administrator/Committee cannot be warned. I believe Global Moderator is also immune.
I'm not sure if I get notices if others do it - I was testing under the assumption that it would treat me the same(like it does for reports, but those are impersonal and broadcasted across all with permissions). Not sure if it is the case.
I'll see if Uwik knows.
Well, let me know if you guys find out eventually, I'm always interested, and a lot of questions seem to get asked about that kind of thing in general, haha.
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Admins can't be warned at all, period. The only difference is my account cannot be removed from admin status.
(Mar. 27, 2012 1:57 PM)Bey Brad Wrote: [ -> ]Admins can't be warned at all, period. The only difference is my account cannot be removed from admin status.
Ahh, sweet.
So is it just Admins that cannot be warned?
Everything below Primary User Group Committee can be warned, apparently.
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