OK, here are results regarding BWD for stamina. Mirror tests against WD.

Standard Procedure
Zero-G Stadium Attack Type (BBG-03/4)
Launcher Grip
Beylauncher L/R
Grip Rubber
Launcher Rubber

Flame Lynx AD145BWD vs. Flame Lynx AD145WD
Alternating launch, starting with BWD.

BWD: 10 OS
WD: 10 OS
BWD Win Rate: 50%
Ties: 0

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1. BWD OS
2. BWD OS
3. BWD OS
4. BWD OS
5. WD OS
6. WD OS
7. WD OS
8. BWD OS
9. BWD OS
10. WD OS
11. BWD OS
12. WD OS
13. BWD OS
14. BWD OS
15. WD OS
16. WD OS
17. BWD OS
18. WD OS
19. WD OS
20. WD OS

Hm, since BWD is taller than WD WD was able to get under BWD's AD145 and grind it down.
Anyways, I did not know what you wanted me to test against ShinobuXD, so I figured a mirror match suffice.

Next battle:

MF-H Duo Cancer F230 CF vs. Phantom Sagittario II B (4-5 min mold)
Phantom launcher first.

Phantom: 10 wins, all OS
Duo: 10 wins, 3 OS, 7 Sway KOs
Duo Win Rate: 50%
Ties: 1

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1. Phantom OS
2. Tie Redone; Duo OS
3. Phantom OS
4. Phantom OS
5. Duo OS
6. Phantom OS
7. Phantom OS
8. Phantom OS
9. Duo KO (Sway)
10. Duo OS
11. Phantom OS
12. Duo KO (Sway)
13. Duo KO (Sway)
14. Duo KO (Sway)
15. Phantom OS
16. Duo KO (Sway)
17. Phantom OS
18. Duo KO (Sway)
19. Duo KO (Sway)
20. Phantom OS

I think that midway thru this round of testing I figured out how to sway someone out with consistency, haha.

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4/29/12: The Spring Sortie (BB-10)
7/22/12: The Triple Threat (MFB+Plastics+HMS formats)
9/23/12: Autumn's Assault (Zero G)
October 2012: October Achtung (Zero G) (placed second)
12/15/12: Holiday Havoc! (Zero-G)
2/24/13: Paper vs. Plastic (Zero-G+Plastic Formats)
4/21/13: BR Maryland Qualifier (Zero-G)
5/26/12: BeyDays 2013! (BB-10) (placed first)
7/14/13: Heated Metal Plastic-y Madness! (HMS + Plastics) (placed third in HMS)
7/20/13: The Bey Brawl! (BB-10)
9/28/13 "OK, alright, mirai~!" (BB-10) (placed second)
12/15/13 No Limit Holdem'! (Zero-G, Limited)
1/19/14 Happy Gnu Year! (Zero-G)
2/23/14 Better Late Than Never! (Limited, Plastics, which I got 3rd in)
3/29/14 GBT2 North Carolina Qualfier (Limited, got 4th)
3/30/14 GBT2 Maryland Qualifier (Limited)
6/8/14 A Prehistoric Venture (Limited, HMS, placed first in HMS)
6/21/14 A Timely Farewell (Standard, Tag-Team (not official format), Zero-G, placed first in tag-team and third in Zero-G)

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Diablo Kerbecs E230CF
SB Discussion
Q Discussion
MB Discussion
RS Discussion
BWD Discussion
MF-H Gravity Perseus BD145 RDF
MF-H Duo F230CF
F:S Discussion
SA165 Discussion

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Has anyone thought of changing the Duo on Duo ____ F230 CF to Genbull^2? I saw the Winning Combinations thread and it did good. I think it could possibly do better because it is a synchrome and has more weight than Duo.

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Yes! Thank you! I think those tests, tournament results, and Dragooon tests from other threads are enough to get Duo SA165 BWD and Duo F230 CF on the tier lists!

Anyways, I realized my Death's aren't equal, so I will have to retest EWD, as well as WD and D, with Earth.

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But using Duo F230 CF is only good for Takara B;D......If the B;D is Hasbro it wont work at all.

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Are there any tests to prove that though?

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4/29/12: The Spring Sortie (BB-10)
7/22/12: The Triple Threat (MFB+Plastics+HMS formats)
9/23/12: Autumn's Assault (Zero G)
October 2012: October Achtung (Zero G) (placed second)
12/15/12: Holiday Havoc! (Zero-G)
2/24/13: Paper vs. Plastic (Zero-G+Plastic Formats)
4/21/13: BR Maryland Qualifier (Zero-G)
5/26/12: BeyDays 2013! (BB-10) (placed first)
7/14/13: Heated Metal Plastic-y Madness! (HMS + Plastics) (placed third in HMS)
7/20/13: The Bey Brawl! (BB-10)
9/28/13 "OK, alright, mirai~!" (BB-10) (placed second)
12/15/13 No Limit Holdem'! (Zero-G, Limited)
1/19/14 Happy Gnu Year! (Zero-G)
2/23/14 Better Late Than Never! (Limited, Plastics, which I got 3rd in)
3/29/14 GBT2 North Carolina Qualfier (Limited, got 4th)
3/30/14 GBT2 Maryland Qualifier (Limited)
6/8/14 A Prehistoric Venture (Limited, HMS, placed first in HMS)
6/21/14 A Timely Farewell (Standard, Tag-Team (not official format), Zero-G, placed first in tag-team and third in Zero-G)

My Testing Threads (All Zero-G) (Click to View)

Diablo Kerbecs E230CF
SB Discussion
Q Discussion
MB Discussion
RS Discussion
BWD Discussion
MF-H Gravity Perseus BD145 RDF
MF-H Duo F230CF
F:S Discussion
SA165 Discussion

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HMS Question and Answer Thread
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Ginga you should've known that Hasbro B;D is the best B;D out there now and would beat Duo F230 CF against Dragoon.

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Again, all I have seen is one tournament battle. Tests will make me believe.

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4/29/12: The Spring Sortie (BB-10)
7/22/12: The Triple Threat (MFB+Plastics+HMS formats)
9/23/12: Autumn's Assault (Zero G)
October 2012: October Achtung (Zero G) (placed second)
12/15/12: Holiday Havoc! (Zero-G)
2/24/13: Paper vs. Plastic (Zero-G+Plastic Formats)
4/21/13: BR Maryland Qualifier (Zero-G)
5/26/12: BeyDays 2013! (BB-10) (placed first)
7/14/13: Heated Metal Plastic-y Madness! (HMS + Plastics) (placed third in HMS)
7/20/13: The Bey Brawl! (BB-10)
9/28/13 "OK, alright, mirai~!" (BB-10) (placed second)
12/15/13 No Limit Holdem'! (Zero-G, Limited)
1/19/14 Happy Gnu Year! (Zero-G)
2/23/14 Better Late Than Never! (Limited, Plastics, which I got 3rd in)
3/29/14 GBT2 North Carolina Qualfier (Limited, got 4th)
3/30/14 GBT2 Maryland Qualifier (Limited)
6/8/14 A Prehistoric Venture (Limited, HMS, placed first in HMS)
6/21/14 A Timely Farewell (Standard, Tag-Team (not official format), Zero-G, placed first in tag-team and third in Zero-G)

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Diablo Kerbecs E230CF
SB Discussion
Q Discussion
MB Discussion
RS Discussion
BWD Discussion
MF-H Gravity Perseus BD145 RDF
MF-H Duo F230CF
F:S Discussion
SA165 Discussion

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I agree with *Ginga*.

Proving that will take a ton of tests from at least 5 members, since B is so variable, too.

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But like I said earlier post Duo F230 CF it too much of a risk unless it Genbull 2x then I'll consider it.

Still, B;D is what matters for Duo F230 CF.....a B;D with a bad mold (eg. Tilted shaft grinds and losses stamina) will lose automatically. A good B;D (eg. Shaft barely grinds B;D free spin freely) would win automatically.

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Getting two Genbulls is hard to do for most people.

Good Bladers would realize they would have to Sway B:D out, which is certainly possible ...

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4/29/12: The Spring Sortie (BB-10)
7/22/12: The Triple Threat (MFB+Plastics+HMS formats)
9/23/12: Autumn's Assault (Zero G)
October 2012: October Achtung (Zero G) (placed second)
12/15/12: Holiday Havoc! (Zero-G)
2/24/13: Paper vs. Plastic (Zero-G+Plastic Formats)
4/21/13: BR Maryland Qualifier (Zero-G)
5/26/12: BeyDays 2013! (BB-10) (placed first)
7/14/13: Heated Metal Plastic-y Madness! (HMS + Plastics) (placed third in HMS)
7/20/13: The Bey Brawl! (BB-10)
9/28/13 "OK, alright, mirai~!" (BB-10) (placed second)
12/15/13 No Limit Holdem'! (Zero-G, Limited)
1/19/14 Happy Gnu Year! (Zero-G)
2/23/14 Better Late Than Never! (Limited, Plastics, which I got 3rd in)
3/29/14 GBT2 North Carolina Qualfier (Limited, got 4th)
3/30/14 GBT2 Maryland Qualifier (Limited)
6/8/14 A Prehistoric Venture (Limited, HMS, placed first in HMS)
6/21/14 A Timely Farewell (Standard, Tag-Team (not official format), Zero-G, placed first in tag-team and third in Zero-G)

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Diablo Kerbecs E230CF
SB Discussion
Q Discussion
MB Discussion
RS Discussion
BWD Discussion
MF-H Gravity Perseus BD145 RDF
MF-H Duo F230CF
F:S Discussion
SA165 Discussion

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HMS Question and Answer Thread
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Then getting F230 would be hard for most people too.

It would have to be the same spin direction to sway except Left sway vs Right B;D

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Thief Saramanda F230 SF... only gotta buy one, unlike Genbulls

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still it worth it! haha

I want to buy one more Genbull, but I'm really out of money!

someday will be released by sonokong or hasbro and it will be much easier tu find, don't worry so much about rarity

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My point about the Genbulls is that Duo is a completely viable option ...

Anyways, like I have been saying tests will make me believe.

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4/29/12: The Spring Sortie (BB-10)
7/22/12: The Triple Threat (MFB+Plastics+HMS formats)
9/23/12: Autumn's Assault (Zero G)
October 2012: October Achtung (Zero G) (placed second)
12/15/12: Holiday Havoc! (Zero-G)
2/24/13: Paper vs. Plastic (Zero-G+Plastic Formats)
4/21/13: BR Maryland Qualifier (Zero-G)
5/26/12: BeyDays 2013! (BB-10) (placed first)
7/14/13: Heated Metal Plastic-y Madness! (HMS + Plastics) (placed third in HMS)
7/20/13: The Bey Brawl! (BB-10)
9/28/13 "OK, alright, mirai~!" (BB-10) (placed second)
12/15/13 No Limit Holdem'! (Zero-G, Limited)
1/19/14 Happy Gnu Year! (Zero-G)
2/23/14 Better Late Than Never! (Limited, Plastics, which I got 3rd in)
3/29/14 GBT2 North Carolina Qualfier (Limited, got 4th)
3/30/14 GBT2 Maryland Qualifier (Limited)
6/8/14 A Prehistoric Venture (Limited, HMS, placed first in HMS)
6/21/14 A Timely Farewell (Standard, Tag-Team (not official format), Zero-G, placed first in tag-team and third in Zero-G)

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Diablo Kerbecs E230CF
SB Discussion
Q Discussion
MB Discussion
RS Discussion
BWD Discussion
MF-H Gravity Perseus BD145 RDF
MF-H Duo F230CF
F:S Discussion
SA165 Discussion

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HMS Question and Answer Thread
Competitive HMS Combos List
HMS Parts Discussion
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But if using F230 alot will wear down it free spinning gimmick alot (Still will free spin but not alot.) and using CF and a heavily/medium used F230 would sway it self out....Correct me if there actually molds of F230.

Apparently there's no point to test Hasbro B;D since it just gonna lose burtally.

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I have two F230 and I think two things:

1-They wear down (I used Orojya Goreim F230BWD and I'm Trying to make MSF Saramanda Saramanda F230CF for a more "Balance" set up, so I experience it and it sucks...)
2-They have molds, I can't prove it because I only own 2, but from the start my F230 of Thief Saramanda spinned less freely, but the F230 of my Bandid Genbull REALLY recalls the term "Free" of F230

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Yes! Thank you koort! That's what im trying to prove here. F230CF doesn't deserve to be in the top tier list. If it was permanently "Free" then it can be in thw top tier list.

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If you put it that way, than B:D shouldn't be on the top tier list.

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4/29/12: The Spring Sortie (BB-10)
7/22/12: The Triple Threat (MFB+Plastics+HMS formats)
9/23/12: Autumn's Assault (Zero G)
October 2012: October Achtung (Zero G) (placed second)
12/15/12: Holiday Havoc! (Zero-G)
2/24/13: Paper vs. Plastic (Zero-G+Plastic Formats)
4/21/13: BR Maryland Qualifier (Zero-G)
5/26/12: BeyDays 2013! (BB-10) (placed first)
7/14/13: Heated Metal Plastic-y Madness! (HMS + Plastics) (placed third in HMS)
7/20/13: The Bey Brawl! (BB-10)
9/28/13 "OK, alright, mirai~!" (BB-10) (placed second)
12/15/13 No Limit Holdem'! (Zero-G, Limited)
1/19/14 Happy Gnu Year! (Zero-G)
2/23/14 Better Late Than Never! (Limited, Plastics, which I got 3rd in)
3/29/14 GBT2 North Carolina Qualfier (Limited, got 4th)
3/30/14 GBT2 Maryland Qualifier (Limited)
6/8/14 A Prehistoric Venture (Limited, HMS, placed first in HMS)
6/21/14 A Timely Farewell (Standard, Tag-Team (not official format), Zero-G, placed first in tag-team and third in Zero-G)

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Diablo Kerbecs E230CF
SB Discussion
Q Discussion
MB Discussion
RS Discussion
BWD Discussion
MF-H Gravity Perseus BD145 RDF
MF-H Duo F230CF
F:S Discussion
SA165 Discussion

HMS Resources (Click to View)

HMS Question and Answer Thread
Competitive HMS Combos List
HMS Parts Discussion
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B;D/phantom stock was commonly used in this meta game so that's why ot was so good even dragoon with B;D resist sway too. Until we found a complete counter to B;D

But still B;D will remain top tier since it can have sway resist too.

End of discussion

F230 CF is off of the top tier list and don't even bother to make more test face the fact and keep that business away from here.

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My point was that B:D has molds, and can wear down ...

Anyways, tests always matter, and like I have repeated many times, tests will make me believe.


... F230 CF is remaining on the developmental top tier list until appropriate tests prove otherwise.

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Tournaments I've Attended (Click to View)

4/29/12: The Spring Sortie (BB-10)
7/22/12: The Triple Threat (MFB+Plastics+HMS formats)
9/23/12: Autumn's Assault (Zero G)
October 2012: October Achtung (Zero G) (placed second)
12/15/12: Holiday Havoc! (Zero-G)
2/24/13: Paper vs. Plastic (Zero-G+Plastic Formats)
4/21/13: BR Maryland Qualifier (Zero-G)
5/26/12: BeyDays 2013! (BB-10) (placed first)
7/14/13: Heated Metal Plastic-y Madness! (HMS + Plastics) (placed third in HMS)
7/20/13: The Bey Brawl! (BB-10)
9/28/13 "OK, alright, mirai~!" (BB-10) (placed second)
12/15/13 No Limit Holdem'! (Zero-G, Limited)
1/19/14 Happy Gnu Year! (Zero-G)
2/23/14 Better Late Than Never! (Limited, Plastics, which I got 3rd in)
3/29/14 GBT2 North Carolina Qualfier (Limited, got 4th)
3/30/14 GBT2 Maryland Qualifier (Limited)
6/8/14 A Prehistoric Venture (Limited, HMS, placed first in HMS)
6/21/14 A Timely Farewell (Standard, Tag-Team (not official format), Zero-G, placed first in tag-team and third in Zero-G)

My Testing Threads (All Zero-G) (Click to View)

Diablo Kerbecs E230CF
SB Discussion
Q Discussion
MB Discussion
RS Discussion
BWD Discussion
MF-H Gravity Perseus BD145 RDF
MF-H Duo F230CF
F:S Discussion
SA165 Discussion

HMS Resources (Click to View)

HMS Question and Answer Thread
Competitive HMS Combos List
HMS Parts Discussion
HMS General Discussion

*Ginga* use your brain right now. Does people plan to buy Takara Phantom now? No, they plan to buy Hasbro Phantom because it 6-8 min mold out of box being "Free" then Takara shaft grinding and becoming 3-4 min it self.

Yet F230 will always remain terrible because it wears fast and will sway.

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I am using my brain, gosh darn it. My brain is telling me that tests will make me come to a conclsuion, not one page of pointless arguing ...

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4/29/12: The Spring Sortie (BB-10)
7/22/12: The Triple Threat (MFB+Plastics+HMS formats)
9/23/12: Autumn's Assault (Zero G)
October 2012: October Achtung (Zero G) (placed second)
12/15/12: Holiday Havoc! (Zero-G)
2/24/13: Paper vs. Plastic (Zero-G+Plastic Formats)
4/21/13: BR Maryland Qualifier (Zero-G)
5/26/12: BeyDays 2013! (BB-10) (placed first)
7/14/13: Heated Metal Plastic-y Madness! (HMS + Plastics) (placed third in HMS)
7/20/13: The Bey Brawl! (BB-10)
9/28/13 "OK, alright, mirai~!" (BB-10) (placed second)
12/15/13 No Limit Holdem'! (Zero-G, Limited)
1/19/14 Happy Gnu Year! (Zero-G)
2/23/14 Better Late Than Never! (Limited, Plastics, which I got 3rd in)
3/29/14 GBT2 North Carolina Qualfier (Limited, got 4th)
3/30/14 GBT2 Maryland Qualifier (Limited)
6/8/14 A Prehistoric Venture (Limited, HMS, placed first in HMS)
6/21/14 A Timely Farewell (Standard, Tag-Team (not official format), Zero-G, placed first in tag-team and third in Zero-G)

My Testing Threads (All Zero-G) (Click to View)

Diablo Kerbecs E230CF
SB Discussion
Q Discussion
MB Discussion
RS Discussion
BWD Discussion
MF-H Gravity Perseus BD145 RDF
MF-H Duo F230CF
F:S Discussion
SA165 Discussion

HMS Resources (Click to View)

HMS Question and Answer Thread
Competitive HMS Combos List
HMS Parts Discussion
HMS General Discussion

Stars, his is right about it has to be tested first
*ginga*, it needs the tests to be a top tier, not to stay

So... I think you have to erase it has top tier but also have to see testing who was right to change or not the top tier again

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Hey Stars, by the way, I have a 6.5 min Sonokong B, so not all the Asian ones are bad.

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Well SonoKong are similar to Hasbro except the colour difference haha, I did used to have a SK B;D but traded with Dark Mousy then he Broke it hahaha.

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