just a theory but what if someone made a combo that involved Libra and an F230 does anyone believe that it would be any good? 2 parts that are now and or used to be considered Game Breaker
Why F230 CF/GCF breaks the game
Poll: What should be done about F230?
| Ban it altogether |
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15 |
| Ban it to some extent |
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33 |
| Leave it alone |
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47 |
| Total: | 100% | 95 vote(s) |
(Dec. 04, 2013 1:24 AM)Triforceblader Wrote: just a theory but what if someone made a combo that involved Libra and an F230 does anyone believe that it would be any good? 2 parts that are now and or used to be considered Game Breaker
No IMO, libra is outclassed by even basalt, reviser does everything libra did but better has far as defense and adding dragoon is icing on the cake. If u want the stamina use genbull dragoon
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(Dec. 04, 2013 1:29 AM)DRAGON KING Wrote:Well first of all the thread is about banning F230 so using F230 to find a counter isn't a good place to start XD. Also if you were using something like Duo then you should use Cygnus or any other circular wheel.. On the other hand Synchromes are also stamina so use Genbull Dragooon as DK said.(Dec. 04, 2013 1:24 AM)Triforceblader Wrote: just a theory but what if someone made a combo that involved Libra and an F230 does anyone believe that it would be any good? 2 parts that are now and or used to be considered Game Breaker
No IMO, libra is outclassed by even basalt, reviser does everything libra did but better has far as defense and adding dragoon is icing on the cake. If u want the stamina use genbull dragoon
Key word there; used to be, Libra now has no use in the meta. Interesting idea, but really won't do well.
But yeah, this is not about F230 combo suggestions it's about debating whether to ban F230 or not, like Rager said.
But yeah, this is not about F230 combo suggestions it's about debating whether to ban F230 or not, like Rager said.
(Dec. 04, 2013 1:29 AM)DRAGON KING Wrote:(Dec. 04, 2013 1:24 AM)Triforceblader Wrote: just a theory but what if someone made a combo that involved Libra and an F230 does anyone believe that it would be any good? 2 parts that are now and or used to be considered Game Breaker
No IMO, libra is outclassed by even basalt, reviser does everything libra did but better has far as defense and adding dragoon is icing on the cake. If u want the stamina use genbull dragoon
k it was just a theory though but thanks for the feedback I really appreciate it
Stop crying about the F230 spin track. Dont ban from anything. If ur losin to a customization with this spin track then, its on u to get stronger. Remember urbeys limits r limited to ur launch power.
(Dec. 05, 2013 3:37 AM)The Fallen Wrote: Stop crying about the F230 spin track. Dont ban from anything. If ur losin to a customization with this spin track then, its on u to get stronger. Remember urbeys limits r limited to ur launch power.
Unless they steal spin.
And especially when you're as misinformed to the point to think launch power is everything. I. E. Weak launch.
Lol you don't know what F230 even is do you. In the BB-10, yes, but in Zero-G, you're dead unless you have Duo.
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(Dec. 05, 2013 3:37 AM)The Fallen Wrote: Stop crying about the F230 spin track. Dont ban from anything. If ur losin to a customization with this spin track then, its on u to get stronger. Remember urbeys limits r limited to ur launch power.
...really?
If you fully read this thread, you'd know that F230 GCF (On Dragoon) is nearly impossible to defeat in Zero-G. Nobody "gets stronger" unless they discover a key counter, which has not been found. While launch is certainly important, its not all of the "beys limits".
EDIT: Double beaten, haha.
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(Dec. 05, 2013 3:39 AM)DrPepsidew Wrote:(Dec. 05, 2013 3:37 AM)The Fallen Wrote: Stop crying about the F230 spin track. Dont ban from anything. If ur losin to a customization with this spin track then, its on u to get stronger. Remember urbeys limits r limited to ur launch power.
Unless they steal spin.
And especially when you're as misinformed to the point to think launch power is everything. I. E. Weak launch.
Plus, launch power is actually limited itself by the capacity of the Beylauncher, and I am quite certain most people use it to its maximum, so the point is completely nullified ...
(Nov. 30, 2013 2:48 AM)Time Wrote: Between the ban it altogether and ban it partially there are more votes than for the leave it alone, so if that actually matters the consensus is that something does need to be done. Also, if you are a new member and do not have any knowledge as to what we are discussing please avoid posting. You are just cluttering up the topic.
Thank you Time and Kai-V.
But left spin attack works generally well against the two. But NOT all the time.
But left spin attack works generally well against the two. But NOT all the time.
agreed Pepsidew and Besides I think its time for there to be a new launcher. I want to create a launcher similar to mechanic papa's except for it would be somewhat safer and more legalized.
So back to the topic at hand, I do not think that F230 should be banned and people who do want it banned are just doing that so that the part would be eliminated from the list of parts that the really good bladers use. (So that they can think they have a fighting chance against then
So back to the topic at hand, I do not think that F230 should be banned and people who do want it banned are just doing that so that the part would be eliminated from the list of parts that the really good bladers use. (So that they can think they have a fighting chance against then
Umm. No. Let me ask you a few questions:
1. Do you own a F230?
2. Have you ever played against it?
3. Are you aware of how easy it is to use?
4. Have you heard of the MD tournament where an otherwise unskilled blader sweeped the tournament?
It is not the part of a skillfull blader, it is the part of someone wanting thr rasy way out.
1. Do you own a F230?
2. Have you ever played against it?
3. Are you aware of how easy it is to use?
4. Have you heard of the MD tournament where an otherwise unskilled blader sweeped the tournament?
It is not the part of a skillfull blader, it is the part of someone wanting thr rasy way out.
Well ill tell u wut i use the most basic of launchers and a bandid golem df145bs occasionally behemoth golem in either mode no one has broken my ironclad defenses. No matter eut combo or part( banned or not). No one has come close. Golem usually loses 30 to 40% power in zero g and even less in a standard stadium.
(Dec. 05, 2013 10:25 PM)The Fallen Wrote: Well ill tell u wut i use the most basic of launchers and a bandid golem df145bs occasionally behemoth golem in either mode no one has broken my ironclad defenses. No matter eut combo or part( banned or not). No one has come close. Golem usually loses 30 to 40% power in zero g and even less in a standard stadium.
If you believe that a stock Bandit Goldem or a very bad Synchrom can beat a nearly undefeatable combination, I truly think you need to stop spamming and actually read this thread, rather than brag about your "ironclad defenses".
Sorry if this sounds rude, but there's nothing to sugar-code
(Dec. 05, 2013 10:25 PM)The Fallen Wrote: Well ill tell u wut i use the most basic of launchers and a bandid golem df145bs occasionally behemoth golem in either mode no one has broken my ironclad defenses. No matter eut combo or part( banned or not). No one has come close. Golem usually loses 30 to 40% power in zero g and even less in a standard stadium.
Dude, you must like actually like definitely be like totally like definitely the like best blader like ever. Your like "ironclad defense" and like super strong launch just like totally like amaze like me. But actually like you should never like post in this like thread until you have like either like been to like a tournament or like own an f230.
So please don't post in this thread until you become a more knowledgeable member.
(Dec. 05, 2013 11:25 PM)Time Wrote:(Dec. 05, 2013 10:25 PM)The Fallen Wrote: Well ill tell u wut i use the most basic of launchers and a bandid golem df145bs occasionally behemoth golem in either mode no one has broken my ironclad defenses. No matter eut combo or part( banned or not). No one has come close. Golem usually loses 30 to 40% power in zero g and even less in a standard stadium.
Dude, you must like actually like definitely be like totally like definitely the like best blader like ever. Your like "ironclad defense" and like super strong launch just like totally like amaze like me. But actually like you should never like post in this like thread until you have like either like been to like a tournament or like own an f230.
So please don't post in this thread until you become a more knowledgeable member.
did anyone else count how many likes he wrote? I think like close to 20. No offense if thats how you normally type.
In my oppinion I think we should wait until there is a second season of zero g or untill the 3 new beys are released to see how good they are against F230.
Also a true blader wouldn't whine and complain about F230 Trust me I can post because I do own an F230. A true blader would find a way around the part and learn to overcome it's capabilities
Right now im getting close to beating it with a Bahamdia Pegasus 135 MB in Zero G against Genbull Dragoon F230 GCF I almost have the combo working like it should I just need to tweak it a bit
(Dec. 06, 2013 4:53 AM)Triforceblader Wrote:(Dec. 05, 2013 11:25 PM)Time Wrote:(Dec. 05, 2013 10:25 PM)The Fallen Wrote: Well ill tell u wut i use the most basic of launchers and a bandid golem df145bs occasionally behemoth golem in either mode no one has broken my ironclad defenses. No matter eut combo or part( banned or not). No one has come close. Golem usually loses 30 to 40% power in zero g and even less in a standard stadium.
Dude, you must like actually like definitely be like totally like definitely the like best blader like ever. Your like "ironclad defense" and like super strong launch just like totally like amaze like me. But actually like you should never like post in this like thread until you have like either like been to like a tournament or like own an f230.
So please don't post in this thread until you become a more knowledgeable member.
did anyone else count how many likes he wrote? I think like close to 20. No offense if thats how you normally type.
In my oppinion I think we should wait until there is a second season of zero g or untill the 3 new beys are released to see how good they are against F230.
Also a true blader wouldn't whine and complain about F230 Trust me I can post because I do own an F230. A true blader would find a way around the part and learn to overcome it's capabilities
Right now im getting close to beating it with a Bahamdia Pegasus 135 MB in Zero G against Genbull Dragoon F230 GCF I almost have the combo working like it should I just need to tweak it a bit
He was being sarcastic in that post...
I think its a bit insulting, saying everyone isn't a "true blader". They've spent hours upon hours attempting to develop counters, fail, can continued to try. A "true blader" knows when a part/combo is overpowered, and to a point where an action should be taken against it. At this point, its doubtful the two/three unreleased tops will suddenly become a counter- considering there is not specific confirmation of them being released, anyways.
Why Bahamdia Pegasus 135 MB? That sounds like it'd have balance and scraping issues.
What color f230 is it??????
(Dec. 06, 2013 4:53 AM)Triforceblader Wrote:I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic.(Dec. 05, 2013 11:25 PM)Time Wrote:(Dec. 05, 2013 10:25 PM)The Fallen Wrote: Well ill tell u wut i use the most basic of launchers and a bandid golem df145bs occasionally behemoth golem in either mode no one has broken my ironclad defenses. No matter eut combo or part( banned or not). No one has come close. Golem usually loses 30 to 40% power in zero g and even less in a standard stadium.
Dude, you must like actually like definitely be like totally like definitely the like best blader like ever. Your like "ironclad defense" and like super strong launch just like totally like amaze like me. But actually like you should never like post in this like thread until you have like either like been to like a tournament or like own an f230.
So please don't post in this thread until you become a more knowledgeable member.
did anyone else count how many likes he wrote? I think like close to 20. No offense if thats how you normally type.
In my oppinion I think we should wait until there is a second season of zero g or untill the 3 new beys are released to see how good they are against F230.
Also a true blader wouldn't whine and complain about F230 Trust me I can post because I do own an F230. A true blader would find a way around the part and learn to overcome it's capabilities
Right now im getting close to beating it with a Bahamdia Pegasus 135 MB in Zero G against Genbull Dragoon F230 GCF I almost have the combo working like it should I just need to tweak it a bit
Also, no matter how "true" or "pure" or whatever you are, if it's not beatable, it's not beatable. No matter how many different twigs you have, or how strong you are, you're done if you try to break a sword with it.
Triforce: You do realize this thread is about finding a way against F230?
From now on, can only experienced tournament players post? -.-
From now on, can only experienced tournament players post? -.-
(Dec. 06, 2013 4:53 AM)Triforceblader Wrote: Also a true blader wouldn't whine and complain about F230 Trust me I can post because I do own an F230. A true blader would find a way around the part and learn to overcome it's capabilities
Right now im getting close to beating it with a Bahamdia Pegasus 135 MB in Zero G against Genbull Dragoon F230 GCF I almost have the combo working like it should I just need to tweak it a bit
Nobody is "whining." In fact, I find that quite offensive. We have a team of insanely good people trying to develope a counter for this thing, and it's been going on for months now.
Like Ultramarine said, no matter how many sticks you have, you can't break a sword, but the sword has no problem breaking you.
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(Dec. 06, 2013 2:09 PM)DrPepsidew Wrote: Triforce: You do realize this thread is about finding a way against F230?
From now on, can only experienced tournament players post? -.-
Okay I take complete offence to that buddy.
black Dragon:
I understand and I apologize for insulting you I am trying to find a weak spot on F230 and I have seen that the point where it becomes free spinning is a candidate for it. I believe if a right spin attacks it against a left spinning free spinning part it will move to the right and (or) stall causing the bey to somewhat capsize. Also, this method will also prevent spin stealing. I am going to continue to look into this and will get back to you with my results
@Ultramarine: I take compete offense to that and consider it an insult. If I was facing a sword I would show up with a shield and branches
@TriForceBlader:
First calm down a bit, this discussion is meant ot accomplish somehting, not start arguments. Im going to give my two cent since I was one of the first people to use and go undefeated (At 3-4 tournaments) With nothing but F230 CF/GCF.
First of all if someone can go to a tournament and go almost completely undefeated in developed metagames IE Maryland and North Carolina(Played in both). I can speak for the competitors in both places and say they don't suck. If this can happen on more then one occassion yes it needs to be looked into in some way shape or fashion.
Having a combo that can dominate the metagame is unhealthly. Look how Libra was back in the day. It was either play Libra or a counter for it or you lost. Simple as that. And once Basalt hit the metagame became one sided. Stuff like Basalt 230 CS & Basalt BD145 CS dominated. You had one or two things that could take it on. Those were one sided metagames and wasn't fun to play in. Do you know how many tournaments I went to and won with nothing but Basalt 230/BD145 cs? Quite a few.
Instead of arguing, I believe this particular thread is for others to share there experiences and what they have found to work/not work. Saying someone has no "Blader Spirit" really isn't appropiate. This is just a combo that the public has yet to find a consistent counter for yet.
First calm down a bit, this discussion is meant ot accomplish somehting, not start arguments. Im going to give my two cent since I was one of the first people to use and go undefeated (At 3-4 tournaments) With nothing but F230 CF/GCF.
First of all if someone can go to a tournament and go almost completely undefeated in developed metagames IE Maryland and North Carolina(Played in both). I can speak for the competitors in both places and say they don't suck. If this can happen on more then one occassion yes it needs to be looked into in some way shape or fashion.
Having a combo that can dominate the metagame is unhealthly. Look how Libra was back in the day. It was either play Libra or a counter for it or you lost. Simple as that. And once Basalt hit the metagame became one sided. Stuff like Basalt 230 CS & Basalt BD145 CS dominated. You had one or two things that could take it on. Those were one sided metagames and wasn't fun to play in. Do you know how many tournaments I went to and won with nothing but Basalt 230/BD145 cs? Quite a few.
Instead of arguing, I believe this particular thread is for others to share there experiences and what they have found to work/not work. Saying someone has no "Blader Spirit" really isn't appropiate. This is just a combo that the public has yet to find a consistent counter for yet.
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