I Have No Idea If This Would Really Help But, From What I Noticed Reviser Dragoon B/ SA165EWD Could Counter Genbull Dragoon. I've Seen It At Tournaments And By Testing On My Own.

The problem with dragooon b:d and dragooon sa165 ewd/bwd is that they are stationary. So since they stay in one spot it is easier for them to banked into. The reason mb doesn't lose to dragooon f230 is it's small amount of movement and mb sway resistance. Even if dragooon f230 cf was straight launched against dragooon b:d / sa165 ewd dragooon will probaly sway them out because of there low resistance to sway

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dude are you a gangster

LOL did you asked Midnight to take that pic?

When a monochrome picture is posted on WBO, it doesn't mean that it's always from Midnight.

I wouldn't trust someone with that many Cancer faces.

Well damn.

@[The Supreme One] Soul Baez V145AS

There's nothing else really to do or say except wait for the Superbowl, but I'm only here so I don't get fined.



Time. *gets up and leaves*

We won't have tournaments in the winter. Cause we are not one of those Canadian people where they just go outside like nothing happened to their hands.

i like my coffee like i like my men B)



i don't like coffee

I never have.

*Ginga*.. you're drunk bro... go home.. : )

Tbh SGMS & BDMS are kinda worthless.
MSUV is a far better spent investment; DGMF is even better IMO.

Um what? You're just saying that because you're a dragoon fanboy...

Why would I be suspended????

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For something less cookie-cutter:  Jiraiya sure is sexy

Is Wolborg 2 useless for competitive play?

Extremely useless. 
Now, if you come upon one I'll just PM you my address so you can throw it away. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

I wasn't looking for Beyblade Underwear, I swear

From my informal testing in a modded hasbro stadium it can KO stamina and OS defence (and that with a red F230 XD) so I'm thinking the way to go is attack. But I'm still looking into finding a counter

That's cool... but-

It wouldn't help too much since the main problem with (Orange) F230 GCF is in Zero-G.

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I thought we were discussing it in bb10 format also? If not, then never mind......

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Pony King ? God, can't believe I typed this. I have to put my keyboard in the dishwasher now...

dude are you a gangster

LOL did you asked Midnight to take that pic?

When a monochrome picture is posted on WBO, it doesn't mean that it's always from Midnight.

I wouldn't trust someone with that many Cancer faces.

Well damn.

@[The Supreme One] Soul Baez V145AS

There's nothing else really to do or say except wait for the Superbowl, but I'm only here so I don't get fined.



Time. *gets up and leaves*

We won't have tournaments in the winter. Cause we are not one of those Canadian people where they just go outside like nothing happened to their hands.

i like my coffee like i like my men B)



i don't like coffee

I never have.

*Ginga*.. you're drunk bro... go home.. : )

Tbh SGMS & BDMS are kinda worthless.
MSUV is a far better spent investment; DGMF is even better IMO.

Um what? You're just saying that because you're a dragoon fanboy...

Why would I be suspended????

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Anything not Tornado Type S:  Wolborg will leave you #rekt




Otherwise:  Go crazy with Ultimate Grip Flat 




For something less cookie-cutter:  Jiraiya sure is sexy

Is Wolborg 2 useless for competitive play?

Extremely useless. 
Now, if you come upon one I'll just PM you my address so you can throw it away. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

I wasn't looking for Beyblade Underwear, I swear

I thought we were discussing it in bb10 format also? If not, then never mind......

We are, but its not as big of a problem.

Since your using a modified Hasbro stadium, the results would not be comparable to a BB-10, whatsoever.

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Um... Have you ever tested that? It will get KOed, unless you're lucky?

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The problem with dragooon b:d and dragooon sa165 ewd/bwd is that they are stationary. So since they stay in one spot it is easier for them to banked into. The reason mb doesn't lose to dragooon f230 is it's small amount of movement and mb sway resistance. Even if dragooon f230 cf was straight launched against dragooon b:d / sa165 ewd dragooon will probaly sway them out because of there low resistance to sway

I used Girago Dragooon F230GCF at a tournament and it went 3-2 with a Reviser Dragooon B:D. We already discussed SA165BWD and it went 20-0 to Dragooon F230CF according to TBD's tests.

Unless I'm missing it, Dragooon SA165 MB is nearly as viable against the rest of the meta as any spin-equalization combo. What is that you guys think just destroys it? By being on MB it practically eliminates sway attack, has decent stamina (obviously enough to OS F230 CF stuff) and SA165 is THEE LAD track. Granted, MB has nowhere near the precession of EWD or BWD, but it will still OS a ton of stuff in spin-equalizing matches. So, unless you guys are saying the rarely used in Zero-G smash attack is a huge problem, I'm missing your point.

According to theblackdragon, all you have to do to defeat your combo is bank F230 combos. I'm not sure if this is true or not, but that's what he believes.

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According to theblackdragon, all you have to do to defeat your combo is bank F230 combos. I'm not sure if this is true or not, but that's what he believes.

The trick is knowing how to bank and knowing how to weak launch. Weak launching is a lost art form now a days it seems like.

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Why don't we use Sway Attacks against F230? I mean it will probably KO it or it will lose OS, but most likely KO.

According to theblackdragon, all you have to do to defeat your combo is bank F230 combos. I'm not sure if this is true or not, but that's what he believes.

The trick is knowing how to bank and knowing how to weak launch. Weak launching is a lost art form now a days it seems like.

I semi-weak launched and it worked for me. Strangely it boosted f230s defense.

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According to theblackdragon, all you have to do to defeat your combo is bank F230 combos. I'm not sure if this is true or not, but that's what he believes.

Plus your combo did poorly against Duo F230CF as well.

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Why don't we use Sway Attacks against F230? I mean it will probably KO it or it will lose OS, but most likely KO.

It won't work. Against opposite spin, it has just high enough mobility on GCF to stay on the opposite side and keep the stadium still. Against same spin sway, all it does is increase the RPM of GCF, and not the top part of the beyblade.

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Well, here are some points that we should know about F230:

-F230 is easy to counter in BB-10, but really hard in Zero-G.
-Duo Cancer F230GCF counters Genbull Dragooon F230GCF
-Genbull Dragooon usually counters Genbull Genbull F230GCF
-Left spin Stamina set ups, can easily beat Left spin F230 setups (i.e. Revizer Dragooon SA165BWD/B;D)
-Right spin Stamina set ups, can easily beat Right spin F230 setups. (i.e. Duo Cancer SA165TB)
-Using a Left Spin Sway Attacker won't get the job done on Genbull Dragooon F230GCF especially if it is launched right.
-Using a Right Spin Sway Attacker won't get the job done on Duo/Genbull Genbull F230GCF if launched right.

What we are mostly looking for is a counter to both left and right spin F230, that is the purpose of the thread, so if you find anything that happens to beat both left and right spin F230 + other Top Tier combos, then it would be highly appreciated. However, nothing has yet to be found, so keep on looking!

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Well, here are some points that we should know about F230:

-F230 is easy to counter in BB-10, but really hard in Zero-G.
-Duo Cancer F230GCF counters Genbull Dragooon F230GCF
-Genbull Dragooon usually counters Genbull Genbull F230GCF
-Left spin Stamina set ups, can easily beat Left spin F230 setups (i.e. Revizer Dragooon SA165BWD/B;D)
-Right spin Stamina set ups, can easily beat Right spin F230 setups. (i.e. Duo Cancer SA165TB)
-Using a Left Spin Sway Attacker won't get the job done on Genbull Dragooon F230GCF especially if it is launched right.
-Using a Right Spin Sway Attacker won't get the job done on Duo/Genbull Genbull F230GCF if launched right.

What we are mostly looking for is a counter to both left and right spin F230, that is the purpose of the thread, so if you find anything that happens to beat both left and right spin F230 + other Top Tier combos, then it would be highly appreciated. However, nothing has yet to be found, so keep on looking!

Counter to left Spin F230 in BB-10 Duo DF105WD.

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Well, here are some points that we should know about F230:

-F230 is easy to counter in BB-10, but really hard in Zero-G.
-Duo Cancer F230GCF counters Genbull Dragooon F230GCF
-Genbull Dragooon usually counters Genbull Genbull F230GCF
-Left spin Stamina set ups, can easily beat Left spin F230 setups (i.e. Revizer Dragooon SA165BWD/B;D)
-Right spin Stamina set ups, can easily beat Right spin F230 setups. (i.e. Duo Cancer SA165TB)
-Using a Left Spin Sway Attacker won't get the job done on Genbull Dragooon F230GCF especially if it is launched right.
-Using a Right Spin Sway Attacker won't get the job done on Duo/Genbull Genbull F230GCF if launched right.

What we are mostly looking for is a counter to both left and right spin F230, that is the purpose of the thread, so if you find anything that happens to beat both left and right spin F230 + other Top Tier combos, then it would be highly appreciated. However, nothing has yet to be found, so keep on looking!

Counter to left Spin F230 in BB-10 Duo DF105WD.

Are there tests... or did I miss them, haha?

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Well, here are some points that we should know about F230:

-F230 is easy to counter in BB-10, but really hard in Zero-G.
-Duo Cancer F230GCF counters Genbull Dragooon F230GCF
-Genbull Dragooon usually counters Genbull Genbull F230GCF
-Left spin Stamina set ups, can easily beat Left spin F230 setups (i.e. Revizer Dragooon SA165BWD/B;D)
-Right spin Stamina set ups, can easily beat Right spin F230 setups. (i.e. Duo Cancer SA165TB)
-Using a Left Spin Sway Attacker won't get the job done on Genbull Dragooon F230GCF especially if it is launched right.
-Using a Right Spin Sway Attacker won't get the job done on Duo/Genbull Genbull F230GCF if launched right.

What we are mostly looking for is a counter to both left and right spin F230, that is the purpose of the thread, so if you find anything that happens to beat both left and right spin F230 + other Top Tier combos, then it would be highly appreciated. However, nothing has yet to be found, so keep on looking!

Counter to left Spin F230 in BB-10 Duo DF105WD.

Are there tests... or?

JE used it. it crushed Genbull Dragooon. I don't have tests though but I will soon.

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Counter to left Spin F230 in BB-10 Duo DF105WD.

Are there tests... or?

JE used it. it crushed Genbull Dragooon. I don't have tests though but I will soon.

Alright, I think it may be good to compare results with that and a Top Tier Duo setup, like SA165 BWD.

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MF Duo Leone DF105 W2D vs. MF Duo Leone SA165 WD
DF105 launched first for first ten.
DF105 Win: 100% (20 OS)

MF Duo Leone DF105 W2D vs Girago Dragooon F230 (Orange) GCF
DL launched first for first 10
DF105 Win: 80% (16 OS)
GD Win: 20% (2 KO, 2 OS)

Will do more tests tomorrow.
Oh and I changed the tip to W2D because WD couldn't beat the other Duo combo.
Just kidding, I have more.
Duo blahblah vs. Revizer Dragooon BD145 RDF
Duo Win: 100% (20 OS)
Holy carp.

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Was your testing in the Zero-G stadium or BB-10?

Either way, those tests are amazing. This Duo combo has me spooked.

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Was your testing in the Zero-G stadium or BB-10?

Either way, those tests are amazing. This Duo combo has me spooked.

It was BB-10, haha.

I couldn't imagine DF105 in Zero-G

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Definitely BB-10 XD
But yeah, kinda made me have a wow moment. I knew from the start that it would beat Duo SA165, but those other combos... Wow.
I'll test tomorrow against Genbull^2 E230 MB, Wyvang^2 GB145 R2F, and I'll take requests for others.

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Veteran, just getting back into the sway of things

Definitely BB-10 XD
But yeah, kinda made me have a wow moment. I knew from the start that it would beat Duo SA165, but those other combos... Wow.
I'll test tomorrow against Genbull^2 E230 MB, Wyvang^2 GB145 R2F, and I'll take requests for others.

Could you try it against ____ Dragoon SA165 EWD? Thanks.

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