It wont do greater than XF/ RF/ R2F/ LRF..it wont hold the fast velocity for long..XD not as long as XF i mean..XD

Ares is terrible on defense combo, huh?

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Isn't dat common sense?
BTW, vari ares CH120R2F is soooo good
Last time, my beylauncher L/R is just faulty.

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Just regarding an old post on the tenth page, sorry if its been clarified before.

Metal Flat, while somewhat slow under certain circumstances can be sped up by using a modified rev up launcher, which I believe is legal; from memory:

The rev up launcher must either be used as a regular beylauncher, or as it was intended, by revving it up.

I can vouch for MF's performance on left spin attack types, and while right spin is as great as left in every way, if not better a OHKO variant using left spin MF with a rev up launcher may do the trick.

On another note, Variares should be a fairly viable option in the current metagame, with what I think to be flooding with skids using B as time progresses and Orion becomes more accessible. I do think however, these things are getting to peoples mind. Things such as OMG I AM L337 BEYBLADEZ0R I HAZ BLOOSEE LAWNCH don't really exist, and by denying yourself that you can't shoot as well as Bluezee practically messes with your mind.

I'll make a post in some sticky later regarding something along these lines even, about how the forums are flooded with skiddies who keep changing their mind and calling things they never knew before common sense. (Yes, Shika. That means you too.)

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LETS GO!!! as Kei once had as a usertitle:

MF-H VariAres CH120RF (Left-spin) vs. MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS
MF-H VariAres CH120RF win rate: 18/20 (18 KO)
MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS win rate: 2/20 (1 KO, 1 OS)

MF-H VariAres CH120RF (Left-spin) vs. MF-H Basalt Kerbecs 230CS
MF-H VariAres CH120RF win rate: 5/5 (5 KO)
MF-H Basalt Kerbecs 230CS win rate: 0/5

Top-tier? I think so.
Better than Lightning? I think so.
Ultimate wheel? I think so.

Take it.

TESTS!:

MF-H VariAres CH120RF [RIGHT] VS. MF-H Basalt Aquario GB145CS

VariAres%age: 80% [8KO]
Basalt%age: 20% [2OS]

I know I am pulling those from long back, but what height was CH120 in the tests?, because I can't get CH120RF to beat Basalt BD145CS consistently. In addition, everytime I face MF-H Variares CH120RF vs Basalt GB145CS, Variares and Basalt collide and they both ko, and other times only variares ko's.

I would have specified if it was 145 height. (By writing CH145.)
Why not post a video of what you're experiencing. TBH it isn't hard at all.

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I used 120 height, I doubt that biggest difference is made, though..

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I would have specified if it was 145 height. (By writing CH145.)
Why not post a video of what you're experiencing. TBH it isn't hard at all.

I wish I could, but I don't have access to a video camera right now, and my webcam is broken. I however did change the RF to R2F and I got the right spin results correct. But, I can't get the left spin results that Dan got. But, the results are just like the ones in this vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8hmu-I1t...re=related

When your RF is less aggressive than your CS, you have a problem.
Also, the kids launching is terrible.. That is probably your problem too. I'll try and post a vid some day, TBH should have posted on earlier. I need a new RF though.

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I finally got mine in th mail and should get tests up by Friday
But until then I have something to say
Since my CH120 is faulty I can't get tests done because of that(I'm getting a new one on Friday)
VariAres has a harder time ko'ing basalt than Blitz
(note: I wanted to know where to post comparative tests for both wheels as well as a video to prove it)
VariAres (in comparison) doesn't KO basalt TH170 as well as Blitz does...
All I'm saying is though VariAres has definitely been incredible Blitz is getting better results for me... ( tests shall be done soon)

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I've posted these in the Blitz discussion as well
Comparative tests for Blitz And VariAres

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MF Blitz Unicorno S130RF VS MF-H Basalt Aquario BD145CS:
BU:17(All KO)
BA:3(2 KO,1 OS)
1 draw

MF Blitz Unicorno R145RF VS MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145MB:
BU:13 (1 OS,12 KO's)
BK:7 (2 OS's, 5 KO's)
2 draw

MF Blitz Unicorno 85RF VS MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145MB
BU:19 (18 KO's,1 OS)
BK:1 (OS)

MF Blitz Unicorno 85RF VS MF-H Basalt Kerbecs TH170CS:
BU:20 (All KO's)
BK:0

MF Blitz Unicorno 85RF VS MF-H Basalt Kerbecs TH195CS:
BU:16(ALL KO's)
BK:4(ALL OS's)

MF Blitz Unicorno 85RF VS MF-H Basalt Kerbecs TH220CS:
BU:16(All KO's)
BK:4(All OS's)

MF Blitz Unicorno (Barrage Attack mode) GB145MF VS MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145MB:
BU:17(6 OS's, 11 KO's)
BK: 3 (2OS's ,1 KO)
3 Draws

MF Blitz Unicorno GB145MF VS MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145MB:
BU:7( 5 OS's, 2 KO's)
BK:13(All KO's)
2 Draws

MF Blitz Unicorno (Barrage Attack mode) GB145MF VS MF-H Basalt Kerbecs TH170MB:
BU:18(15 OS's, 3 KO's)
BK:2( BOTH KO's)

MF Blitz Unicorno GB145XF(Stalling) VS MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145MB:
BU:19(All OS's)
BK:1(Blitz self KO)

MF VariAres R145RF(Right spin) VS MF-H Basalt Aquario BD145CS:
VA:14(All KO)
BA:6( I VA self KO,3 OS, 2 KO's)
2 draw

MF VA CH145RF(Left Spin) VS MF Basalt Aquario BD145CS:
VA:13( All KO's)
BA:6(3 KO's,3 OS's)

MF VariAres BD145RF(Left Spin) VS MF-H Basalt Aquario BD145CS:
VA:7 (All KO's)
BA:13(5 KO's, 8 OS's)

MF VA(Right spin) R145RF VS MF-H Basalt Aquario TH170CS:
VA:12(All KO's)
BA:8(ALL OS's)

MF Blitz Unicorno S130RF VS MF Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS:
BU:20 (18 KO's, 2 OS's)
BK:0

MF Blitz Unicorno S130RF VS MF Basalt Kerbecs TH220CS:
BU:15( All KO's)
BK:5 (All OS's)

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.. If you're going to use CH, use 120.
You should probably re-organize it liek this:

Blitz whatever combo vs. Basalt whatever

and then

VariAres whatever combo (same track/bottom as previous Blitz test.) vs. Basalt (same)

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alright then I should get those tests done in an hour or two if you don't mind...
I should also have many combos to test against....

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Here they are :

R145RF (Click to View)

MF VariAres(Right spin) R145RF VS MF-H Basalt Aquario TH195MFboth sliding shoot)
VA:8 (7 KO's,1 Self KO for basalt)
BA:12 (9 OS's, 3 KO)
2 draw

MF Blitz Unicorno (Assault Attack Mode) R145RF VS MF-H Basalt Aquario TH195MFboth sliding shoot)
BU:10 (10 KO's)
BA:10 (5 OS, 2 KO , 3 self KO's for Blitz)

CH120RF (Click to View)

MF Blitz Unicorno(Assault Attack Mode) CH120RF MF-H Basalt Aquario TH220CS:
BU:9 (9 KO)
BA: 11 (9 OS ,2 self KO)

MF VariAres CH120RF(Right Spin) VS MF-H Basalt Aquario TH220CS:
VA:12( 12 KO's)
BA:8 (6 OS's, 2 Self KO's)

S130RF (Click to View)

MF VariAres S130RF(Right Spin) VS MF-H Basalt Aquario TH220CS:
VA:9 (9 KO's)
BA:13 (8 OS's, 3 KO's , 2 self KO's)

MF Blitz Unicorno(Assault Attack mode) S130RF VS MF-H Basalt Aquario TH220CS:
BU:16 (16 KO's)
BA:4 (4 OS's)

GB145MF (Click to View)

MF Blitz Unicorno (Barrage Attack Mode) GB145MF VS MF-H Basalt Aquario BD145MB:
BU:14 (14 OS's)
BA:6 (5 OS, 1 Blitz SELF KO)

MF VariAres (Left Spin) GB145MF VS MF-H Basalt Aquario BD145MB:
VA:0
BA:20 ( 9 KO,11 OS)

VariAres just has to much recoil making it unable to stay in the stadium while on a low grip bottom but Blitz has Barrage Attack mode which gets rid of most the recoil...

Any more requests??? I can't seem to sum up which one is better yet...

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alright then I should get those tests done in an hour or two if you don't mind...
I should also have many combos to test against....

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Here they are :

R145RF (Click to View)

MF VariAres(Right spin) R145RF VS MF-H Basalt Aquario TH195MFboth sliding shoot)
VA:8 (7 KO's,1 Self KO for basalt)
BA:12 (9 OS's, 3 KO)
2 draw

MF Blitz Unicorno (Assault Attack Mode) R145RF VS MF-H Basalt Aquario TH195MFboth sliding shoot)
BU:10 (10 KO's)
BA:10 (5 OS, 2 KO , 3 self KO's for Blitz)

CH120RF (Click to View)

MF Blitz Unicorno(Assault Attack Mode) CH120RF MF-H Basalt Aquario TH220CS:
BU:9 (9 KO)
BA: 11 (9 OS ,2 self KO)

MF VariAres CH120RF(Right Spin) VS MF-H Basalt Aquario TH220CS:
VA:12( 12 KO's)
BA:8 (6 OS's, 2 Self KO's)

S130RF (Click to View)

MF VariAres S130RF(Right Spin) VS MF-H Basalt Aquario TH220CS:
VA:9 (9 KO's)
BA:13 (8 OS's, 3 KO's , 2 self KO's)

MF Blitz Unicorno(Assault Attack mode) S130RF VS MF-H Basalt Aquario TH220CS:
BU:16 (16 KO's)
BA:4 (4 OS's)

GB145MF (Click to View)

MF Blitz Unicorno (Barrage Attack Mode) GB145MF VS MF-H Basalt Aquario BD145MB:
BU:14 (14 OS's)
BA:6 (5 OS, 1 Blitz SELF KO)

MF VariAres (Left Spin) GB145MF VS MF-H Basalt Aquario BD145MB:
VA:0
BA:20 ( 9 KO,11 OS)

VariAres just has to much recoil making it unable to stay in the stadium while on a low grip bottom but Blitz has Barrage Attack mode which gets rid of most the recoil...

Any more requests??? I can't seem to sum up which one is better yet...

Blitz is a KO Beast!!! yeah my VariAres is a submission specialist as well, but it can get down with the gets downs when the occasion calls for it.

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Blitz is a KO Beast!!! yeah my VariAres is a submission specialist as well, but it can get down with the gets downs when the occasion calls for it.

so basically you revived a thread ,that barely needs any existence just to tell us that?

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Blitz is a KO Beast!!! yeah my VariAres is a submission specialist as well, but it can get down with the gets downs when the occasion calls for it.

so basically you revived a thread ,that barely needs any existence just to tell us that?

He had double posted. It got deleted. The content of his second post is now gone.

The post was nothing substantial either, though.

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Who says this thread cannot die?

Honestly, I feel VariAres would be good to compare to Death, I would love to see how TT worked on it.

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Honestly, I feel VariAres would be good to compare to Death, I would love to see how TT worked on it.

i dont get it

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Honestly, I feel VariAres would be good to compare to Death, I would love to see how TT worked on it.

i dont get it

He wants people to see how Death stacks up against VariAres, to see how valid it is as an Attack and Defense part.

Someday we will be able to understand you again, BBS. Godspeed.

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Ah, I get it now LOL
Man that wording is vague..

Godspeed indeed.

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In the combo MF Variares CH120R2F, do you ever use the CH145 height? Because, I hear it can KO 230 even at 120 height. I'm waiting for my Variares to come, so I want to know the do's and don't of that combo.

In the combo MF Variares CH120R2F, do you ever use the CH145 height? Because, I hear it can KO 230 even at 120 height. I'm waiting for my Variares to come, so I want to know the do's and don't of that combo.

Do not ever use VariAres CH145. CH145 is garbage. ANY other 145 track is basically preferable, aside from maybe ED145.

CH120 will do everything better on Vari.

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That is so not accurate, if you have a properly functioning CH120 ie. TT from the phantom orion WBBA parts set (finally a perfect one) then the 145 is VERY usable, while true there are not MANY situations where 120 wont KO where the 145 will, there are in fact situations were the 145 WILL make the KO easier for people not as proficient with the RF/R2F... such as the 230/220 matchup, 145 may not be necessary for the KO(but hey neither is left spin) but its nice to have because it sure can make your job easier sometimes(just as the left spin option, even though it's proven through testing to be not as powerful).. Of course if all you have is the avg Hasbro, or even a lot of the TT booster variety, then this is largely irrelevant, the 145 rarely stays at 145, at if it does, it is VERY wobbly which results in loss of power... so if you use 145, make sure its one of the good ones.

That said, CH120 is probably the best track to use in the most situations from my personal experience (height change aside), the R145 is more of a Heavy Attacker and you would want to pair it with MFH, to compare to pistols, CH120 is the 9mm, while the R145 is the .45ACP... both are useful, but different in overall feel and performance.

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Even with a proper working CH145 it still means nothing: 120 is still flat-out better.

Yo, KiLL_SwiTcH, if you search this thread (top right tool-bar) with that combination, I have some tests of MF-H VariAres CH120RF vs. Basalt 230CS in 120 height where it gets 100% easily.
I think BBS has some tests on the same combo vs. something too.. :V

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