(Feb. 15, 2014 1:32 PM)Leone19 Wrote: I feel that way towards F230 CF/GCF as a Sway Attacker (if launched right, like F230 must be launched right...) can take it down with ease. I know in Year of the Bey, Naijalak nearly won, as I was outswayed twice, I believe.
While I do not own an F230 of any kind, I've fought it three times in Zero-G, and won twice 3-2 with a Right Spin Sway Attacker. However,
(Feb. 15, 2014 3:21 PM)TheBlackDragon Wrote: Naijalak almost won, but he didn't. Same-spin Sway Attack is one of (and in my opinion, the) best counters for it. However,you still won, which is a serious problem. That means the counter isn't consistent.
The two times I won were basically ^that, but the inconsistencies were on my side and I won through pure luck. And, keep in mind this was before TBD discovered that you could Sliding Shoot F230GCF and completely violate everything, so there's no way I could pull off those wins now.
(Feb. 15, 2014 1:32 PM)Leone19 Wrote: From experience, it's not unbeatable, as several pointed out. I mean, as much as people compare this to Basalt and Libra, it could also be connected to a Dragoon Spin Stealer. It seemed very powerful and could defeat nearly anything, but a specific counter could take it down. Not to mention, once it was discovered, everyone used it constantly. It was the same with B in CT. Ever since it's use in Zero-G Gorge, it was constantly used and a B combination placed in all 3 categories. Even though B can be defeated, it can be connected to how F230 swept events in NC and Maryland. B dominated CT.
Another part of the difference, other than what TBD pointed out that B
and Dragooon are easily countered, is that they were both new at the time and people hadn't found ways to stop them yet. They dominated for a few weeks until someone found a combo that would stop them cold in their Tracks. Another factor is that both after Libra and Basalt came out new parts that evened out the playing field, like Lightning L-Drago (which could beat Libra AFAIK, just people's lack of confidence/skill with Attack made it not used very often) or the 4D weight creep. Nothing new has really been created since BBG-023, and people have had over a year to develop a counter. It hasn't been done, and TT hasn't made anything new that stops F230GCF, so we should ban it for the time being.
(Feb. 15, 2014 7:13 PM)TheWhiteTiger Wrote: CF/GCF has the disk around it that allows for additional LAD.
I personally like Leone19's idea, because it will give people time to expect a ban.
I personally disagree, as we want to be rid of F230 ASAP, and since it's so controversial most people (like myself) have seen this ban coming for a while now.
(Feb. 15, 2014 7:39 PM)DrPepsidew Wrote: Aquamarine, this is a serious thread for serious players. Not a chat room.
VA kinda skipped all of the phases after (no offense) seeing Dark abuse the hell out of it. We agree not to use it, and if someone does, they are SEVERELY frowned upon (as someone on page one kinda said).
I'm not sure if I would be considered a serious player, but this is basically what I contributed to getting Gravity banned in Limited (how people would be frowned upon for using it). If people feel worse about that for F230, then it needs to be banned.
(Feb. 15, 2014 5:11 PM)Snoop Dog MS Wrote: Yeah, it's not really that OP in Michigan or Chicago. I agree about banning it in certain regions.
No offense, but I think that's a bad idea. If it's banned from certain regions it will still dominate elsewhere. While metas for different areas may differ slightly, there are pretty much global constants. Like people in the USA will use the same combo as people in Italy or the Philippines because it's just a good combo. F230 is like an invasive species, once it gets introduced into the meta people will try to stop it until they fail and start using it themselves. We should just ban it outright.
So yeah, I'm in favor of an F230 ban. Nothing now can beat it consistently, but it may be reintroduced later if TT makes something that can stop it.
Disclaimer: I don't mean any offense to anyone I quoted or mentioned in the post, so I apologize if any of this offended you. (Especially Leone19 as I just noticed I disagreed with you the most, sorry.)
On a side note, F230 is one of my favorite parts (even though I don't own one, I just love free-spin) and it makes me weirdly proud? to see that it is OP enough to get banned. Yeah, this is pretty immature of me.